Akil and Hong welcome Andy and Cosima from Academic Counseling to the show to discuss how counseling continues to help students with their academic planning even in a remote environment. From there, the discussion shifts to high school counseling, carne asada, whiskey cake, Colin Wilson's The Outsider, and HBO's The Undoing.
Mentioned in this episode:
Academic Counseling Center - https://www.sbcc.edu/counselingcenter/
Cate High School Basketball - https://www.cate.org/athletics/boys-basketball/#coaches
Whiskey Cake (not the same recipe as Cosima's) - https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/15864/irish-whiskey-cake/
Carne Asada - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carne_asada
Santa Cruz Market - http://santacruzmarkets.com/
La Chapala Market - https://www.yelp.com/biz/chapala-market-santa-barbara
Kim's Market - https://www.yelp.com/biz/kims-market-carpinteria
Reyes Market - http://www.reyesmarket.com/
El Zarape - https://www.elzarapesantabarbara.com/
El Sitio - https://www.elsitiorestaurantsb.com/
Sonoratown - https://www.sonoratown.com/
El Ruso - https://elrusola.weebly.com/
Tacos 1986 - https://www.tacos1986.com/
Deep Fried Turkey -https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/deep-fried-turkey-recipe-1952235
Paleo Diet - https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/paleo-diet-meal-plan-and-menu
Blue in Green (book) - https://imagecomics.com/comics/series/blue-in-green
Blue in Green (song) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoPL7BExSQU
The Outsider - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/349436/the-outsider-by-colin-wilson/
The Undoing - https://www.hbo.com/the-undoing
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Hong Lieu: Hello and welcome to another episode of SPC bucket voices a podcast highlighting that unique voices that comprise our campus culture and how we're all working together to serve our students and the community at large, as usual, I'm driving my co host to kill hill.
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Akil Hill: What is good. Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And today we are honored to welcome Andy Gill and Cosima sell my straight to the show. Welcome.
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Cosima Celmayster: Hello, what's up, hello, so
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Hong Lieu: So y'all there with academic counseling. And if you want to break down the program for me a little bit because when I think of academic counseling. I feel like
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Hong Lieu: It's like students coming in with like classes are crazy. I need help. Like more counseling counseling, but it's not that right it's focus more on the academic side.
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Cosima Celmayster: Is that correct or yeah yeah i mean i think it actually can comprise of some of what you just said the students that are coming in and feeling the need to get their next semester plan on you know on days on on on on track. So we certainly do a big
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Cosima Celmayster: Big portion of that academic counseling for next semester planning.
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Cosima Celmayster: And in that, in that larger perspective, we're there to really support the student throughout the duration of their time on the campus. So if it, if it
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Cosima Celmayster: Isn't something that we even can directly connect with our in our department. We're constantly referring students to other areas across the campus campus to support them.
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Cosima Celmayster: But we do we assist students to develop individualized student ed plans. We work with students to counsel them on success strategies if they're on academic probation or disqualify
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Cosima Celmayster: Really help them. And I like to use the word educate and empower students to understand and navigate the transfer
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Cosima Celmayster: Process and SPC requirements as we know there's so many nuances to that even a student that majors in something like sociology for a CSU. It varies greatly for what they then need to do for UC
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Cosima Celmayster: And from the moment the student kind of enters sort of the college experience. We see them when we do our class planning sessions. So, you know, even this last timeframe of doing it remotely where we
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Cosima Celmayster: Typically would have done.
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Cosima Celmayster: In class planning for new to college students, either on the campus or on on the high school campus or on our campus. We immediately removed move to a remote
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Cosima Celmayster: Version of that doing that over zoom and serving more than you know almost 3000 students more than 2800 students just during the summertime.
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Cosima Celmayster: So there's a vast amount of work that we do with students even students coming in from UCS, you know, with a couple of years under their belt trying to change their pathway. So it's the
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Cosima Celmayster: The large, large department of a lot of different support and we even with the remote services we quickly jumped into that when we, you know,
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Cosima Celmayster: Went into lockdown so to speak and are serving students currently through cranium cafe zoom appointments Google video phone appointments and we have our virtual front desk.
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Cosima Celmayster: That we implemented and we even now have a live chat with this really cool feature where there's like a phone app where they're able to ask questions.
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Cosima Celmayster: Even there though we're a busy department for sure.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah definitely feels like something where I'd be curious, is there's probably
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Hong Lieu: You'd have to ask how many students don't need that kind of service as opposed to how many do, because almost every student that comes to the campus.
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Hong Lieu: Is probably going to want to pay you a visit. At some point, usually don't actually do it. So it's something that probably encompasses a pretty broad swath of the campus.
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Cosima Celmayster: Absolutely, absolutely.
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Andrew Gil: Yeah, no, that's absolutely perfect. And as I said, perfectly Cosima. One thing that I always like to say my appointment is like, I'm here to meet you where you're at. So whether it's your very first time coming in or it's our fifth visit of the semester, maybe our fifth visit overall
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Andrew Gil: The relationship building. I think is key because for our Santa Barbara City College Promise students, they are required to see a counselor wants to semester.
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Andrew Gil: Through the promise program so that that in itself is relationship building. But we, uh, we really make I've seen Cosima work and she's fantastic and
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Andrew Gil: All the counselors in our entire department are so good at what they do but they make that first appointment to be super, super informative and educational and then
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Andrew Gil: We do like to let them know that sometimes transfer requirements do change degrees change programs change.
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Andrew Gil: So we just want to make sure that we check in and make sure everything's in order. And then as we start getting closer to like maybe degree application filing or transfer we start talking about that next stage. So
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Andrew Gil: That meeting them where they're at, is so so key because sometimes we get them in the middle of a semester where they're really struggling academically and
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Andrew Gil: We got to get them back on track or we start making referrals or we we can start the conversation with Professor but it's it's
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Andrew Gil: So, so, encompassing. It's so huge that it can literally go in any direction and I personally tell my students like I might not have the exact answer for you today. But I've been at the campus long enough to know who I need to get you in contact with next and
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Andrew Gil: I'm really, really proud of the entire the entire department all counselors in general.
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Andrew Gil: Because everybody's working super hard and it's so critical for the future of the student success.
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Cosima Celmayster: Absolutely. And you know, I often tell students that you know their plan is like a fingerprint. You know, it's so unique to them and not to listen to their friend who tells them, you know,
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Cosima Celmayster: That could be wrong and
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Andrew Gil: You know,
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Cosima Celmayster: Parents listening, no offense or anything, but even parents that are like, Well, no, because it just very, I mean it so tremendously and often tell it we you know we we as academic counselors are always telling students we we're not here to tell you what to take. We're here to
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Cosima Celmayster: guide you to understand the steps that go into what a comprehensive student Ed plan is. And these are the requirements and these are your choices and this is if you want to do this specific pathway. This is what it can look like
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Cosima Celmayster: You know, so there's just so much variation. And it's so specific to the to the student that walks in our, in our office and I really feel like our entire department is so you know passionate about.
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Cosima Celmayster: Student Success and serving students and you know even I'm sorry that unfortunate Lydia. Again, I went as is my co chair and unfortunately she couldn't be here today. But, you know, each of us come with our as Andy indicated are
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Cosima Celmayster: You know, vast background working in education and and what we, you know, what we do on the campus and have done on the campus so
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Cosima Celmayster: And I know all of our academic counselors, if they were able to be here, even those that are outside of our academic counseling center you know all share that that tremendous passion that we have for student success. Yeah.
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Andrew Gil: If it's okay I jump in coast even tighter in terms of passion, like every counselor has like such school specialties to that date back to, I don't know how it was developed, but
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Andrew Gil: Like, even as counselors, we go to other counselors for certain areas that we need a little bit more information on and
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Andrew Gil: I love going to conferences. Some times as a group, because, like, like we travel pretty strong as a unit and
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Andrew Gil: I always feel like we're getting compliments as a college saying like, Oh, man. You guys have such great questions. You guys are really well versed
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Andrew Gil: Our Transfer Center. Career Center LPS Moshe I feel like I feel like just in terms of guiding students to get to their goal. I feel like we do a really great job and and
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Andrew Gil: Our counselors just have such unique abilities in different areas, and they all have their focuses and targets that I just feel like as a unit, we're pretty strong.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, I mean I like the like what I'm hearing from you guys in terms of just giving the students the option for them to make the best informed decision for themselves, you know, and we've talked about it several times on the show about
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Akil Hill: Giving meaning students like one meeting students where they're at, what what you what you guys are both have mentioned alluded to.
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Akil Hill: And then also the piece of giving them the holistic approach. And that's what I'm hearing to both you guys saying about, you know, meeting the student, where there are giving them.
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Akil Hill: A full snapshot of what's the best
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Akil Hill: Option for them. I think it's super uplifting.
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Cosima Celmayster: Yeah, I mean, I just, I think we're in a position as academic counselors to really empower students to from everything from, like, how do I go talk to my teacher when I'm struggling in a class to how do I talk to my
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Cosima Celmayster: Even my employer about the fact that this is taking a certain number of, you know, hours a week to do this math class or this you know English class and
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Cosima Celmayster: You know, there's just so much that happens in our academic counseling appointments. I'm always excited. Actually, when I'm being evaluated and I get
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Cosima Celmayster: individuals that have to you know come in and observe me because you know that cross, sort of, even when I get to go into it with a faculty, you know, teaching faculties classroom. So when I had
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Cosima Celmayster: You know the instructional faculty in my office, you know, they, they usually walk away going, oh my god, I had no idea how much was, you know, being covered in these academic counseling appointments. It's so different from what I, you know, perceived it, it would be
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Hong Lieu: So I guess I would ask the question I would ask in terms of you've seen so many students over the years and you kind of everyone is is kind of an individual, different, different case.
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Hong Lieu: But are there some commonalities in terms of pitfalls or things that students should look out for.
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Hong Lieu: The number one thing, number one problem you run into the students come to y'all about. Is there certain it's particularly sticks out or is it really that kind of
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Hong Lieu: Individual thing where folks really do need to come in and kind of talk to somebody to get the full picture of what's going on.
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Cosima Celmayster: I'm Andy, go for it.
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Andrew Gil: Yeah, I know. The one thing that we always recommend starting meeting with this very early is actually a lot more beneficial, even if they don't know their major
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Andrew Gil: The earlier, the better. And for one the relationship building key is key, but we also want to make sure that we get moving with the English and the math.
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Andrew Gil: Math depends on major and engineering students versus like a sociology major
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Andrew Gil: Sociology majors might need only one math class and then engineering students might meet might need to get through the entire math series, all the way to Matthew 20 so
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Andrew Gil: The timeline is I think the most important part to see early because if a student comes in right out of high school, saying,
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Andrew Gil: I absolutely want to go to UCSB as an engineering student that changes the whole academic planning process for us because we now have a set goal.
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Andrew Gil: And then also, on the flip side, if we have a student transferring in from another community college or another university or another four year school
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Andrew Gil: And they have 567 transcripts under their belt. The earlier that we see those, the better that we can assess what needs to be done and what needs to be fixed and
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Andrew Gil: Like I mean every counselor, I can definitely vouch for this Cosima myself everybody in our department. We've all had like really really unique scenarios that we can remember so vividly and like one of them that stands out to me is
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Andrew Gil: I think like five years ago I had a student who attended 10 community colleges have had like over 200 over 200 units attempted, but I'd only past maybe 10
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Andrew Gil: So that that conversation significantly different than someone just coming out of high school. So, um, it's really, really hard to navigate on your own.
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Andrew Gil: And Cosima said it perfectly scheduled the appointment. It's only going to benefit you. We've never had any students leaving appointment saying that wasn't helpful.
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Andrew Gil: So,
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Andrew Gil: All these personal anecdotes. They just, they're also unique to the student and also you need to counselors, too. So it's pretty fun. Then we also get to cross paths, sometimes with with with my boy a killer and admissions and records so
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Andrew Gil: Yeah, we're all
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Andrew Gil: There's we're always collaborating with every office and and and if it's a financial aid question. I'm very open and honest and tell the student like
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Andrew Gil: I'm sorry I'm not the best person to answer this question. I'm going to put you in contact with your financial aid advisor, who's assigned to you based on your last name so DSP a shout out as well, all, all the collaboration between departments is is is so critical to the student success.
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Cosima Celmayster: Absolutely. And I think, you know, Andy and I had a real opportunity, working with the express to Success Program, which was to support students in
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Cosima Celmayster: Taking the time to map classes or two English classes at once with an assigned counselor and Andy and I were
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Cosima Celmayster: Were those those academic counselors and that ability to work collaboratively with our teaching faculty to me is just one of the most
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Cosima Celmayster: Incredible pieces that we can actually offer students and I feel the same to with all the services that we offer like admissions, you know, and, and, you know, working with the various departments.
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Cosima Celmayster: Whether it's the bookstore. I mean, there's so many different ways that we can collaborate, to make sure that we're catching those students and I know in my experience that with ESP. It was like the tutors, the teaching faculty, the counseling faculty
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Cosima Celmayster: You know, our support staff that we had in the express Success Program, and we all came together to really make it
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Cosima Celmayster: Work for the students. And I think, you know, in the larger picture that's sort of in my mind that vision for our students, particularly, you know, our di students and those students that really need
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Cosima Celmayster: Really need to make sure we've got those wraparound services for them. And I know as an institution that's the in intended hope long term, and I certainly know that that's what you know, speaking on your rehab end, but I know you
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Cosima Celmayster: Know we know we see that you know that huge success and so academic counseling is just that one piece of the one piece of the pie, so to speak.
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Akil Hill: Right. On average, how many times as a student change their major. I mean, I don't know if there's you guys have a concrete answer, but I think that's, I think that's that's good for people to probably know our listeners to know that.
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Cosima Celmayster: Well, if you're talking about me.
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Hong Lieu: Like
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Cosima Celmayster: A great example. So I actually went to Santa Barbara City College. It was first personally family go to college and when it to Princess or high school and
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Akil Hill: But shut out put on
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Cosima Celmayster: Yeah, right.
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Cosima Celmayster: And I, you know, I started out as that.
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Cosima Celmayster: Looks like and then theater arts and then actually meteorology and I love the study of
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Akil Hill: Markets. See that
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Cosima Celmayster: Like hardcore stuff.
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Akil Hill: Though I could see that.
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Cosima Celmayster: Got into the math classes and
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Cosima Celmayster: Add a map learning disability and then there just wasn't necessarily the support that I needed at that time. And then I ended up actually
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Cosima Celmayster: Going into journalism for writing for newspapers. So to give you that one example. I'm actually oftentimes using myself as an example, the students that come in.
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Cosima Celmayster: Sort of freaked out by the fact that they don't have a clue what they want to major in because it can changes as much as my one example.
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Akil Hill: That's great.
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Andrew Gil: I'm on. I'm on customers, but I don't know if there's an exact address but me personally, I think I was, I think I was 666 major changes and ended up on political science.
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Andrew Gil: So I that's the thing we always tell the students when we create these plans are not rocks.
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Andrew Gil: They are likely to change their likely to move around, based on on your new goals or you might take a class to just changes your entire perspective on education so
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Andrew Gil: It changes all the time, but I'm going to assume it is truly, truly undecided or undeclared we make that quick referral over to the career center because
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Andrew Gil: The Career Center says just such a great job of, like, major and career exploration that
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Andrew Gil: It might not be 100% accurate with that what what's determine in that meeting, but they now have an idea based on their skills and their attributes and areas of interest that
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Andrew Gil: There's some certain majors and fields that might that might really suit them. Well, so like the majors. We always tell students if your major changes schedule another appointment, because this is definitely the time to be meeting.
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Andrew Gil: But yeah, I don't have an exact number for you. I'm going to guess maybe for the students that I've seen in my tenure, I would say the average is like a three or four major switches in a two year two and a half year term.
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Hong Lieu: You know, I was three going straight to undergrad. And the thing about it was, you know, when I started, they had
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Hong Lieu: They had the maps out where you you know I was started as an engineer, you take these classes. Take these classes. You're all good to go in for years.
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Hong Lieu: Problem of school. I went to Cal Poly was that map was built for 16 units, a quarter getting out in four years. And if you've been to Cal Poly nobody gets on for years because nobody can really hang with that 16 unit. I could barely do 12 so
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Hong Lieu: Right away I get back to 12 and I was already the whole map was all skewed because this class is only offer this time that classes only offer that time.
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Hong Lieu: And then after a couple years of that I changed majors, then it was all thrown crazy and having to figure all that stuff on my own, which, which I did, which I really should have gotten help and didn't
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Hong Lieu: But knowing that these those resources are there and counseling offices like yours exist.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, it's really something. If you're a student, you shouldn't take full advantage of it because it can just take a lot of guesswork out of things and get get set on to like a concrete plan.
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Hong Lieu: Where a reasonable plan, do this, do this, do this, you're good to go, do this, do this, do that, you can transfer as opposed to that map that I still I still look at it as you
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Hong Lieu: Saw when I was a freshman at school. I still think about that map how honest me about, like, yeah, you can't you can't do this, you know, and I really couldn't. And I was like too much.
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Hong Lieu: So having someone, someone to help break that down into more meaningful chunks.
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Hong Lieu: And like things that like amounts. I can handle that would have been a big kind of step I probably still wouldn't have been hanging will be completely honest, but it would have been nice to get to kind of get it in a better kind of presentation.
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Cosima Celmayster: Absolutely. And I think, you know,
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Cosima Celmayster: I mean with students and you can feel their sort of their fear and their, their almost if not all the time, but they're they're hesitant to actually see the visual of it and
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Cosima Celmayster: I'm often saying, but this is what you want to see if you're because I work with a lot of STEM students and I'm always telling them you want to see this big picture, because if you look at this and you say to yourself.
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Cosima Celmayster: Oh, I can't do this then. That's good feedback for you to then know
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Cosima Celmayster: You know, you know, look at that alternative, you know, major that you have this overwhelms you to the point of I can't do it not in your case, per se, but your case, it would have been nice to have somebody say it's okay if you don't get, you know,
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Cosima Celmayster: Listing for you. So, whatever it might be that student needs to hear that it's okay and that these are just maps that they're not as Andy said they're not set in stone.
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Cosima Celmayster: And they change based upon sort of your own personal, you know, life path that's unfolding. You know that's way more, you know, students are or they've got all these other variables and, you know, life of circumstances, they're dealing with to that impact it
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Andrew Gil: Yeah, Hong. You mentioned the same thing, like the 16 unit visual but handling 12 like that is a very, very big part of our conversations like work hours family life. Am I, am I, do I have a family of my own so
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, cuz I know in the moment it was I take these classes that were on the map.
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Hong Lieu: Fail to them. And all of a sudden, I'm like very discouraged. You know, so then going to the next one, like, do I want to do that again.
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Hong Lieu: And then do I want to do that again because then you're starting to think about. I can information.
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Hong Lieu: And then you're down in that hole and you're trying to think of. And then it's really starts to become this like self defeating prophecy. So being able to get
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Hong Lieu: Kind of out of that routine would would have. I mean, it wouldn't help me with engineering because my my brain was not quite at that level, but it would have helped me kind of pivot sooner.
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Hong Lieu: All right.
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Hong Lieu: The real Cal Poly.
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Hong Lieu: If you, if you go on the website.
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Hong Lieu: edu another school gets yes you promoted.
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Hong Lieu: Let's just, let's just scope facts. I'm just going to
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Akil Hill: Say, you can kind of low, you know, low right now.
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Hong Lieu: FACTS, FACTS, FACTS. Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: As opposing Mustangs, that's a personal preference, but
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Hong Lieu: If you're still listening to this, if you're a parent of students this into this. If you have access to any students that you think might use to help, which I mean like I said earlier,
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Hong Lieu: I mean, it's always good to kind of kind of make sure that you're on the path that you want to be. Because when I got started school. I wanted to be a certain thing. I thought I wanted to be an engineer.
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Hong Lieu: And then I realized, no I'm not good at that at all. I'm like, very bad at most engineering things, but I just thought that that's what I should be doing so. So kind of checking students that respect.
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Hong Lieu: Where you're not me. Your life is going to you're going to change. You know, in major ways like four or five times the next five or six years your life so so just constantly checking and having other resources people to bounce ideas off of is never a bad thing.
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Cosima Celmayster: Absolutely. And I, and I really want to stress, like I was saying in the beginning, we have taken our academic counseling services remote and streamline them. We did it without a hiccup overnight.
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Cosima Celmayster: It. I say publicly maybe without a hiccup internally we were trying to navigate all kinds of things, but we've even added more so, you know, we don't have like our front desk counseling where students come up
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Cosima Celmayster: The way we used to per se, you know, 1520 minute quick questions. But we have a virtual form of that and if students go directly to our website, the counseling website. It's listed right there. How to get
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Cosima Celmayster: quick questions. If they can't get in. You know what, for whatever reason, if they need to their, you know, counselor might be booked out or they need to do a same day, we have all these various different ways that students
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Cosima Celmayster: And you know i think it's it's the if ever there was a time for students to reach out to us. This really is that time to do so because we know again some students are feeling more isolated and a little bit like what am I doing during this virtual weird world where and
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Akil Hill: Yeah. And also, you know, one thing I really love about doing the show, too, is that
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Akil Hill: And I think it's significant to mention this is that, you know, the goal of the show, also to is so people necessarily, you know, outside of
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Akil Hill: Is sometimes you may be working with their students. And you'll they'll send something to via email and something that they'll say will trigger
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Akil Hill: Like for me, oh that's more of accounting question.
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Akil Hill: Right, and so I'm hoping that the listeners that are that are following us can understand like sometimes
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Akil Hill: They may be in a situation in a student may say something that may trigger them, they can think back and listen to a listen. I was listening to the podcast.
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Akil Hill: I think that's more in line with what counseling does or that's more my what maybe I should refer the students at DSP. So that's the, that's the point. I think that is so significant.
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Akil Hill: That is so good about the show is like, look, now that I'm hearing these things. I'm gonna be more mindful.
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Akil Hill: When I'm coming across it, a student. I mean, I would say in in the ideal world where we're back on campus. Sometimes you may be in the cafeteria overhearing a couple students
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Akil Hill: Talking about something and then you have the ability to arm yourself with hey look, you know, you may I overheard you talking may want to check in accounting center may want to check with the SPS
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Akil Hill: This is the host of the show that we can engage our viewers as well as our co workers, our colleagues to be able to have these small little conversations with the students on campus, so they can get the help that they need. Absolutely.
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Hong Lieu: And in terms of for students preparing to me with a counselor. Is there anything they need to be ready, you know. Should anything they should have in terms of to be ready to go, or what's expected turnaround time for them to put in a request, and then to meet actually meet with a counselor.
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Cosima Celmayster: Well that varies throughout the semester. Certainly.
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Cosima Celmayster: What I think that is most important to speak into is is or one of the pieces would be if a student knows their major and knows their institution, when a student comes into our office without a major or without an institution.
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Cosima Celmayster: We, we refer them to the Career Center, maybe some websites to review because our job is so specific to the institution they want to transfer to and the major they have
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Cosima Celmayster: As we, as we've talked about so they more they have an idea. And again, it doesn't have to be.
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Cosima Celmayster: A set idea but ideas. So maybe it's communications, or maybe it's sociology, it might be CSU San Diego or or SAN DIEGO STATE OR MIGHT BE Cal Poly.
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Cosima Celmayster: Then we have something as a framework to then be able to give a real nice visual to the student and then accurately educate them and empower them on the steps that are to their specific goal you know associates degree and you know the diving for the diving programming and so on.
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Cosima Celmayster: And then, you know, during different times in the semester, you know, we're about to go into timeframe where
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Cosima Celmayster: You know, some academic counselors are going to be off contract. So that's where say our same day appointments or, you know, front desk virtual counseling.
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Cosima Celmayster: Steps in overseeing their primary academic counselor, which is assigned to them and starfish and, of course, it varies depending upon also the program there that they're connected to. So
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Cosima Celmayster: You know, they're in something like ups with those other programs they have their different ways as well to reach out to their academic counselor.
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Andrew Gil: No, that was perfect. There's yeah there's so many counselors, I think, what is the total Cosima
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Andrew Gil: Yeah, no, I think the one part just answer. I think one of the hardest questions was a students have access to our calendars on starfish starfish at the top of their pipeline.
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Andrew Gil: So they have access to book their own appointments and I think that actually saves a huge step because the student can actually, you look at their calendar. Look at our calendar and then
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Andrew Gil: Find the rate right day and time that works for them so that there's no interruptions, they can get the full 45 minutes to an hour since we transitioned over to zoom and online. I've actually been doing an hour appointments, just because
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Andrew Gil: So the extra that extra 15 minutes I've been adding to my appointments right now has been mainly for technology. But when we're in person. I usually I'm pretty hard set with the 45 minutes because
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Andrew Gil: It's usually like I mean I actually talked too much. So I'm usually going like 4647 minutes
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Cosima Celmayster: And I think that's one of the reasons why you know booking early is really important because, you know, there are so many
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Cosima Celmayster: Only so many appointments during a semester. So the earlier on your book, the more likely you're going to be able to get that appointment set up in the timeframe that works for you and starfish. Absolutely.
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Hong Lieu: It suggests a good time to kind of did you get a need subsequent bookings and multiple visits to kind of really fine tune a plan that's workable. I'm guessing like you can't just, you know, most of the most new students aren't one and done. Yeah. If I had to guess.
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Andrew Gil: And then I think, I mean, obviously, the last little plug that I think students, especially if students are listening to this is that everything
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Andrew Gil: Everything in a certain way, shape, or form is fixable. So if you have a bad semester. Don't let it defeat you have that conversation with this because there's ways to fix everything. Whether it's a repeat of a course we have academic renewal.
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Andrew Gil: AP credits other other dual enrollment credit. So there's always always routes to look at and
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Andrew Gil: Like, like I tell the students and I know Cosima does too. But, like, the more that you share with us the more that we can actually provide
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Andrew Gil: Because sometimes it isn't like a nice clean straight line, it's, it's a nice jacket jacket little route that involved, maybe two or three petitions, maybe some forms. So there's
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Cosima Celmayster: No, I was gonna say absolutely. You know, and then sometimes I'll work with students that have, you know, several semesters, where there are you know substandard grades you know grades of, you know, these are apps and the W's and
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Cosima Celmayster: You know, really quick to say, look, you know, there's nothing you could say, or you could show me that I haven't seen before in you know my
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Cosima Celmayster: I hate the word academic probation and just qual wish there was a better word. But, you know, students that have, you know,
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Cosima Celmayster: A lot of life experiences that they've that they've gone through and so I know that's the same for all of our academic counselors that that's exactly why we're there is to say, okay, let's look at this
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Cosima Celmayster: Let's see what new plan, we can come up with for you that works with where you're currently at and where your, your intended goal is
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, that's, I mean, those are great points because at the end of the day, it's that that NPS is all that really matters. And a lot of things in terms of
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Hong Lieu: If you get that certificate, get that degree. Get that transfer
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Hong Lieu: No one really cares about how you got there. No one's going to ask you an interview. How many times did you fail a class. How many times did you have to switch you know this and that. I mean, if they asked me, I just run away and cry and corner but
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Hong Lieu: You know, so it's one of those things where in the moment. It feels so big and so daunting and everything so crazy. But then on the other side of it 510 years later, you look back and you're like,
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Hong Lieu: I'm just glad I got through and got it done. I mean by, you know, by any means necessary. If you have to go to 8080 counseling appointments. If you have to go make appointments with
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Hong Lieu: LPS DSP. Has everybody under the sun have figured out, as long as you get there. That's that is the key. And you know that's that's really what
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Hong Lieu: Everyone is trying to get students to that goal. So, so any way you can engage and kind of increase the odds of finding that connection that really works and kind of set you off on a path. I mean, you should do it. Absolutely.
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Hong Lieu: All right, so I'm use that as a stepping stone to our next segment, which is what brought y'all to SPC or to their sounds like we got a
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Hong Lieu: To locals here. So there's not going to be much traveling involved. It's going to be in the area but but that that may dig up some like high school rivalries are some that
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Andrew Gil: Oh, sure. Uh, so I am a product of Santa Barbara Unified School District. A Cleveland elementary Santa Barbara Junior High school. High school dawn, along with the keel and coast.
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Andrew Gil: And that's where and this is where outside of graduation. So as soon as I got my bachelor's degree. I didn't really have. I didn't really have a focus. I didn't really have an area I didn't really know what to do.
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Andrew Gil: So I had actually come home right after graduation and he actually now works at Santa Barbara City College. But his name is Reuben Gill, he's actually a counselor and LPS
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Andrew Gil: But upon my return back to Santa Barbara. He had asked me, he's like, what are you up to this summer. I was like, I'm just looking for work right now. So he asked me if I wanted to work with some
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Andrew Gil: And it was pretty cool. I mean, I was a high school counselor for for two years and then I the whole time I I had wanted to be at the college, I was actually doing some part time adjunct work with
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Andrew Gil: And it was really awesome. So as soon as that full time position opened. I had applied and I think that the leg work that I did in terms of being an adjunct counselor and
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Andrew Gil: I was trying to get my foot in the door here at the college I was learning admissions and records. I was learning the College Catalog. And I it all it all fit very nicely. I'm very blessed very thankful
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Andrew Gil: I'm very, very appreciative of all the connections. I've made over the years, but I was able to get hired here at the college through the expression. Success Program and then that transitioned over academic counseling and and I've actually been at the college now since 2010 so
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Andrew Gil: How can I coach the student to be better to reach their goal and like, what can I, what can I use to to help them. So there's a lot of overlap but uh
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Andrew Gil: That is my route to Santa Barbara City College very, very fortunate to be here. I, I remember crying of joy when I got hired full time and and then just last year I got I got 10 years. So I, I, it's just been a blessing and
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Andrew Gil: I always tell Cosima this, but I don't think counseling is my end goal. I think I still have aspirations to maybe become a dean or a president of a college or
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Andrew Gil: Something, Something in higher education. Still, but I i love counseling and I plan on doing it for a while. But I don't think that this is my end goal.
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Andrew Gil: Yeah. I also think it's kind of annoying for my wife. I think my my my hyper hyper time management is a little bit too much for sometimes I'm like, oh, man, we gotta do this and that and that have it a que nos this my energy is is nuts. Oh, sorry.
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Andrew Gil: It's so funny that you say that because my my son's a daycare teacher. The other day was joking around that and your son has two speeds, he has. Go, go, go, and sleep.
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Andrew Gil: So I'm like, Oh man, I got a little my little twins who he looks just like me and he's got the nice light beautiful complexion and my wife as the blue eyes. My wife has greenish bluish but he's got my energy level and my dark hair and my dark features so
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Andrew Gil: It's funny man genetics are wild.
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Hong Lieu: When he starts crossing you up at like six years old, and you'll know it's a problem.
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Cosima Celmayster: Um,
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Cosima Celmayster: So yeah, so I actually, as I was saying I attended Santa Barbara City College and I came out of Santa Barbara high school and
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Cosima Celmayster: I ended up transferring up to Cal Poly with journalism and I have this real sort of like passion for nonprofit and I was really sort of interested in coming back and trying to
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Cosima Celmayster: Connecting piece of writing for nonprofits or something along that lines that I actually ended up getting hired for a program called the California Student opportunity and access program.
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Cosima Celmayster: Which was around for a really long time that served first generation students underrepresented students and those economically disadvantaged and I was with that program for seven years.
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Cosima Celmayster: And that was in 1997 but my first job was Santa Barbara City College as well. While I was a student there in 1994 as a student rep. So in the accurate Counseling Center. I was actually hired by Sergio Perez, one of our academic counselors and so when I came back from
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Cosima Celmayster: It was just like perfectly aligned for me. And I love that job. So I worked with
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Cosima Celmayster: All the different junior High's and high schools and the local community colleges and so that actually led me to really wanting to go back and pursue that psychology as my first major. And so I went and I did that and received my
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Cosima Celmayster: Master's degree from Pacifica and Graduate Institute, with an emphasis in depth psychology. So I'm and I'm trained as a marriage, family therapist.
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Cosima Celmayster: And during that timeframe San Marcos high school with all my sort of outreach with the high schools and the junior High's asked me if I was interested in pursuing
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Cosima Celmayster: The remainder of your, your PPS so I did that, I went and I went down to Cal Lutheran and then did the component that allows me to do the guidance counseling and I was with some Marcus for two years. So it's interesting. Andy and I have that
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Hong Lieu: You're just showing empathy.
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Cosima Celmayster: Yeah, so, and at the same time, I also was teaching personal development classes at Santa Barbara City College, even while I was at Sam. Marcus and I taught running start PT 100 classes which were
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Cosima Celmayster: Seriously, some of my fate. Some of the most favorite thing I've done on the campus and all of my almost 26 years and then after my master's degree and doing the SAM Marcus and the PPS I was was given an opportunity to do adjunct counseling and the rest, they say, is history.
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Akil Hill: There you are.
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Cosima Celmayster: Yeah, and here I am.
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Akil Hill: So he saw me using. Have you met the City College.
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Cosima Celmayster: 26 years if you include my first job 23 posts that when I started working for Kelso
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Akil Hill: Yeah. Everybody's getting coppers.
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Andrew Gil: I heard that in the last night.
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Andrew Gil: That's funny. I'm all caught up on all the other voices episodes. I remember you guys are throwing out those
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Hong Lieu: spilling the secrets like that, you know, I don't need to know about that benefits.
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Hong Lieu: I wanted to ask this question in terms of it is the difference between high school and SPC counseling. Is it like a giant leap up or
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Hong Lieu: Because you have the high school class planning is just like, that's pretty much laid out, right, there's no there's not much variance there. It's really just getting folks ready to decide what they want to do on their for their next step up.
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Andrew Gil: I have one word FERPA
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Andrew Gil: All right.
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Akil Hill: I knew, I knew that. I knew that.
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Cosima Celmayster: Yeah, and I will go back to this statement empowering the students and
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Cosima Celmayster: To be, you know, advocating, you know, into for us to advocate for the students. So that yeah so that they feel like this is their path and what they want and what works for them. Yeah.
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Andrew Gil: A truth. I got a while. But I actually think I might have been a high school counselor forever if if the numbers weren't so
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Andrew Gil: So daunting. I have my high school caseload was so so ridiculous big and I just was so stressed out every single day of my life, and every hour that like I was working every weekend.
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Andrew Gil: It was a lot. And at that time, like at the time. I could do it. But when I started having a family. I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna break down so I mean that's that's also a plug for just like I mean funding needs to go to more more counselors at every level, high school, college,
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Andrew Gil: mental wellness is is so so key. But yeah, I, uh, it was really fun. It was a fun two years.
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Andrew Gil: But uh I in comparison, the City College position here where I'm at right now is a lot more enjoyable and I also feel like I'm being a little bit more productive and i think i think i'm being better served
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Andrew Gil: Or serving betters what I meant to say sorry
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Hong Lieu: Good answer, good answer. All right. That leads us that, and now we're on to the to the to the more chill portions of the show, we can go me go food and culture.
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Hong Lieu: Does anyone want to start us off, Akil you got one.
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Akil Hill: So let's, let's start us off with, let's do food first.
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Cosima Celmayster: My family tradition passed down whiskey cake, but each, each person, our family does it. My aunt, does it a little different. My cousin, does it a little different.
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Cosima Celmayster: But we have a part of my background is my mom mom came over from England when she was 17 and the family followed later on. And so we have all these
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Cosima Celmayster: British traditions and things that I say that people often go. What does that mean I don't even understand that and I don't even know I'm doing it.
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Cosima Celmayster: But one of our one of our traditions, is to make. It's a Christmas cake, but we load it with whiskey.
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Cosima Celmayster: And it's the full day event when we do it and then afterwards. It's a whiskey cake that's wrapped in or it's actually soaked in red wine.
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Cosima Celmayster: And wrapped in cloth and then put away so that the the the cake absorbs all of that. And then we pull it out, we add more red wine, and it's a really kind of a unique experience. If you've never had it before and we actually make a full day of it in the sense that we
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Cosima Celmayster: You know, we start out early in the morning and we
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Cosima Celmayster: We pray, almost. We pray during the time period, actually, which isn't necessarily what other people do. But we actually pray when we're making it and putting wishes and prayers and for
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Cosima Celmayster: Our family and our friends. And yeah, it's a pretty, pretty cool experience. My daughter who's 10 years old is really gotten into it as well. And yes, we allow her to have this the cake. Once the alcohol is absorbed off of it.
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Cosima Celmayster: But yeah, and
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Cosima Celmayster: And Andy's been privy to have some of it.
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Andrew Gil: I have tried it and it is absolutely delicious. The system so moist and like I it's just, it feels really good. Especially during like the winter times. Like I feel like it just tastes better when it's cold outside. So like it's a it's it's a incredible little cake and
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Andrew Gil: I will. Yeah. The only time I've ever had. It was
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Andrew Gil: With Cosima and now that we're talking about it. I'm actually I should be expecting the best year pretty
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Cosima Celmayster: This year, but I'll see what I could do know, and it's it's full of like it's got, you know, nutmeg and all these different spices. So it really just everything you think of when you think of Christmas in terms of cinnamon and
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Cosima Celmayster: nutmeg. Yeah. And then you have that whiskey to it, which you know burns off, but you still have the essence of it and
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Cosima Celmayster: And then the red wine is kind of like I said that unique piece that people are like, what is this. So people either love it or they hate it, and it goes great with whipped cream.
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Akil Hill: And he's out here like we're in the middle of a pandemic and he's like, I need that cake.
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Hong Lieu: contact list. So I guess in terms of a bike is the is the first flavor gonna be whiskey or is it going to be the red wine because it sounds like the red wine is what it spends more time with kind of so you know
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Hong Lieu: Is it just everything. It's just magic, you know, bite.
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Cosima Celmayster: A kind of his magic and by if you like all those things. It's and it does you know some people are like you. It's got those raisins and currents, but we don't add a lot of that. So it kind of is. It's not as overpowering as some of the like the
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Cosima Celmayster: The proper kind of Christmas cakes. I think that some people
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Cosima Celmayster: I think when you think about like a what soda muddled wine that people will have is that that's not the right word, or almost like a, you know, when you have sangria. It's got that whole mix of all those those flavors in there and it's kind of like that. It's kind of like that in a cake.
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Hong Lieu: That sounds really good.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Is I love rum cakes and I love those kind of like alcohol infused cakes. They have like the with baked Alaska or whatever that has the alcohol. The light on fire and all that side. I do like that kind of alcoholic touch to the suite of cakes.
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Hong Lieu: sounds really good. And I like the I like the custom and stuff you the ritual aspect of it you praying you putting wishes into it like
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Hong Lieu: Most of the stuff. My mom makes is that has that spiritual or back end aspect where you're doing it to eat and for sustenance. But there's also this
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Hong Lieu: Communal aspect to just creating in preparing it that's that's really nice and kind of imbue some extra energy into your into the food you make
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Andrew Gil: I choose whiskey cake.
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Hong Lieu: That love trance.
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Hong Lieu: Trance is right. Yeah.
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Andrew Gil: Well, I'm gonna check stick to just culturally, I just, I'm gonna actually go with was just got an asada
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Andrew Gil: Kindness Allah in and I'll kind of explain what I mean in just a second. But like, you've probably heard the term, you probably be what your boys are your fam. And just like, man, you're not invited to the gardener Salah
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Andrew Gil: In many forms, but sometimes it was super simple, which is rice and beans. Sometimes it was just bringing a bag and garden so that it will barbecue or someone, someone you knew how to hot grill and
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Andrew Gil: The reason gotten so so significant and culturally impactful for me is that it's just, it's easy to make.
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Andrew Gil: It's easy to season. You can marinate it, you can do it in hundreds of different ways. It's just, you got to find the right touch but um I think finding that right that right cut of steak.
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Andrew Gil: But you can use flank. You can use sirloin. There's so many ways that you can do it. But, um, the mariners are all I mean every family does. I'm a little bit different.
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Andrew Gil: My mom. My mom myself. I think we've adapted the more the not doodle flavor, which is like you get the meat mainly just salt and pepper, because
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Andrew Gil: It kind of allows us the meat to take over and you really taste it, but it also is a little bit safer for guests.
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Andrew Gil: No offense to those that don't like spices, but but salt and pepper allows everybody to enjoy it and then you can add your own salsa. You can add
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Andrew Gil: I mean, depending on on the type of Dorothea you prefer taste good on both flower and corn, the salsa could be anything but a kindness is you can cut it up nice and long. Nice long strips. You could do the last little cut strips for little kids.
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Andrew Gil: I mean, everybody's gonna set and I mean flat flank.
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Andrew Gil: Every, every, every so many cuts, you can get it almost anywhere. You can get it at like a nice big traditional grocery store like smart and finally you can get it at a, at a Mexican market, you can always find
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Andrew Gil: I take a lot of pride in this, but cooking it man. Like I a nice a nice cold beer next to the BBQ
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Andrew Gil: Like, it's just a certain way to do it and like when I'm doing. I kind of like to be alone too because I'm like, oh man, like, it's like my my few minutes to kind of hang out by myself and relax, but
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Andrew Gil: It's super thin so like what you want to do is, I mean, you want to get that grill pretty hot to start
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Andrew Gil: Get that heat, nice and high. And then when you're ready to cook it, bring it down to like a medium low
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Andrew Gil: And then as soon as that meat touches the grill. If it doesn't start sizzling, it means that it's not hot enough, but
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Andrew Gil: You got to get it nice and hot. So once it starts bubbling a little bit time to flip it and Man five, five to 10 minutes later, depending on how you like it it's it's pretty quick, because it's so thin so
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Andrew Gil: Well, I want to make sure that everybody's healthy, but in the past. If he's like, yo, I'm doing hot dogs.
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Andrew Gil: My wife and I and my son, we would just stop at a grocery store, grab a bag carne asada and just, I don't want to show up empty handed. It's, it's, it's not okay my culture is show up empty handed. So
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Andrew Gil: Being Mexican American man kindness is everything. And it's always everywhere, too. So
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Akil Hill: Really it's shut out. I know Santa Cruz market. Shout out to Santa Cruz market, they always have a good kind of outside of their that's already pre marinated people that don't know how to marinated, or and then also
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Akil Hill: With some market was super cool cuz
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Akil Hill: Was
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Hong Lieu: Super cool, super glucose food land. Yeah, to Paula that I mean, everybody's got to marinate. Everybody's got a recipe.
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Andrew Gil: And wearing wearing carpet kill. So we got like Ray is and
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Hong Lieu: Kim.
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Andrew Gil: Kim's but that's the cool thing with marinades too is like, I mean orange juice. You can, you can, there's so many things you can do.
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Andrew Gil: I mean, honestly, like if you were just to kind of the cool things going to like if you really want a new experience like cut it up into small pieces and marinate different pieces differently. And then just try it. Because honestly, you might actually find gold unknowingly
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Andrew Gil: And
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Hong Lieu: Like you were saying. Even a simple seasoning or rub. I mean, if you have good meat and you want the flavor of the meat to shine through.
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Hong Lieu: You don't even need a marinated all it's really just that thin cut quick high heat.
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Hong Lieu: You know Carney saw that for me growing up East LA is a big deal because when you know when you meet friends or hang up the homies like, you don't. You haven't made it until they invite you to a kickback
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Hong Lieu: House and they're grilling carne asada and you're sitting around
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Hong Lieu: And just just shooting the breeze, you know, until, until you get to that point, like my first Super Bowl party where there was carne asada and a game on the big TV. I was like,
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Hong Lieu: I thought, I thought this was having like you know I was late to a lot of things. And so getting into that and getting getting into that weekend kickback see where the war, the war record comes on and
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Hong Lieu: We just did just kicking back. I mean,
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Akil Hill: With the oldies with the oldies
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Hong Lieu: All yeah with the two fists.
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Akil Hill: Down.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah yeah yeah
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Hong Lieu: So I think we're as an outsider, I just felt grateful that someone even led me to peek at it, let alone. Taste your food sit and hang out and just absorb that culture. So for me.
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Hong Lieu: I definitely see it as as a great dish great food, but that whole that custom just like Cosima was talking about with the cake that custom of getting like
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Hong Lieu: Getting the grill out and having like a full on kickback like that whole day is a good day and and when you talk about grilling on your own like carnies all the cooks quick so you can't really can't be messing around with a bunch of cookie.
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Andrew Gil: It's the bag. Exactly.
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Hong Lieu: Put it down you can adapt.
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Hong Lieu: When the flip. You're looking at warming say and put the next one down like
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Hong Lieu: You really you're really grinded there so
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Andrew Gil: And you guys everybody probably knows this in this room, but, uh, I'm not in this room, I'm sorry, the zoom room.
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Andrew Gil: But
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Andrew Gil: Sometimes food does sometimes they kind of saw that doesn't even make it to the actual table of
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Andrew Gil: Everyone's cutting it right next to the grill and just
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Andrew Gil: Yeah, everyone's grabbing a piece. And the next thing you know, you're just you're standing next to the girl, the whole time.
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Yeah.
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Akil Hill: I will say,
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Akil Hill: Andy has a plug because he comes from a lineage of
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Akil Hill: Good cooks. So, you know, I'm kind of
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Akil Hill: I want to give a shout out to your family.
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Akil Hill: Hey, thank you could talk a little bit about that real quick.
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Andrew Gil: Yeah, so, uh, my father, my father actually owns a set up a restaurant right there on sending dress.
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Andrew Gil: So my dad actually on set up and now for coming up on 20 years which is pretty nuts because I remember being little sweeping cleaning throwing out the trash.
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Andrew Gil: Throwing my little foil balls up at the fan.
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Andrew Gil: Um, and then, uh, my uncle, my feel Peppa. So my dad's that I will. And then my my to pepper. He owns a CPR so
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Andrew Gil: We I mean just Mexican food is always around and
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Cosima Celmayster: On the market. Just say it.
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Andrew Gil: And then a growing up the video market is actually, it used to be on Haley, but that was also my uncle and my aunt, so
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Andrew Gil: Is out which which Which market are you referring to coast.
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Cosima Celmayster: I just met you on the market of like
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Cosima Celmayster: A Mexican restaurant.
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Is
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Cosima Celmayster: Like
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Hong Lieu: The west side that's that's a
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City on the east side.
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Hong Lieu: For delivery de or yeah
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Akil Hill: Yeah, but it's it's important that we mentioned that shout out to local business that we get out, we support in the midst of the pandemic. I think it's, it's critical. I mean, you know, if you're wanting to get some good food, you know, stop by on the west side. I was on a and get a plate.
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Andrew Gil: And you know my dad. My dad. I mean, obviously, we would all appreciate that. But my dad works really hard for that set up a restaurant, and I mean it's a little hole in the wall, but I every dish is good and
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Andrew Gil: I mean I lambri all the way to the tortoise burritos. And I mean, I've tried everything on the menu 50 times so
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Cosima Celmayster: Not bad.
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Andrew Gil: Not bad. Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: It was one of the first restaurants.
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Hong Lieu: In town it. I mean, there were doing a long race where, you know, like now. Now there's a couple places down to lambaste. But just having that kind of options. Yeah. Much appreciated. For sure.
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Andrew Gil: shrimp cocktail shrimp book then and then all the all the little soap operas and the media and the Cheech everyone is and Manny. I mean, there's too much to name the menus really big and kind of funny, too, but they actually make a pretty good hamburger.
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Hong Lieu: Oh, I love that burger.
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Hong Lieu: Because I would always get a breakfast.
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Hong Lieu: breakfast burrito. Then I
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Hong Lieu: Get a hamburger and my son and I
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Eat them all myself.
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Hong Lieu: But I do see him as
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Hong Lieu: The kids meal pricing.
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That's awesome.
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Akil Hill: Man, that's great.
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Akil Hill: You want to go. I can go next. It doesn't, doesn't matter.
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Hong Lieu: I can go. I'll go
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Hong Lieu: Real quick, real quick. I just want to mention McCartney saw. I saw the new ladies having a moment.
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Hong Lieu: There's a couple places that are doing some pretty unique things L Russo's doing what's called so mackerras was like really thin flour tortillas.
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Hong Lieu: Sonora town has been they're getting their flower from Sonora to make to make flour tortillas for the current South tacos.
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Hong Lieu: Tacos 1986 started the truck into the restaurant. I'll put links in the show notes by just wanted to follow up with the carne asada would like it's just, yeah. It's just that touchstone of a dish.
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Hong Lieu: And I do love it deeply with all my heart, but uh me. I wanted to talk about, because we're just coming out of Thanksgiving holiday. We have one more holiday coming up with Christmas.
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Hong Lieu: Deep fried turkey. Everybody loves you know holiday meals, but they don't love Turkey strides, this and that. If you deep fry it all your problems are solved.
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Hong Lieu: You know, like
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Hong Lieu: Very easy to if you have all you have the tools. It's very easy to cook it comes out perfect. Almost every time and everybody loves it. It's like a giant fried chicken so
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Hong Lieu: I will say that I am kind of late to Thanksgiving. I didn't have my first Thanksgiving till I was like 1516 because, you know, my parents. We did a meal for Thanksgiving. But it wasn't Thanksgiving dinner.
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Hong Lieu: So just like just like homies invited me to kick back to try carne asada a friend invited me to their house to try Thanksgiving, and it was like it was like heaven, you know, just being
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Hong Lieu: Not just roped into the culture, but just delicious food and the sides. I mean, it was, it's still one of my favorite holidays. Because of that, because
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Hong Lieu: I can do it too late. I didn't have time to get jaded about it. So it's still a magical time a magical time of wonders food the cornucopia of sides.
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Hong Lieu: But everyone's always like all the turkeys drives this and that deep fry your turkey three minutes of pound, you have a 13 pound turkey, you'll be eating from start to finish. From time you drop it in 45 minutes later, you're turkeys done
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Hong Lieu: This enough
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Hong Lieu: Skin is crispy the breast meat is moist and juicy. The only downside of de France, Turkey is disposing of the oil, it can be
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Hong Lieu: I mean don't pour down the drain. Don't put in your backyard. You have to take it somewhere where they can dispose it. I mean, it used to be Easter dispose it with everyone was doing biodiesel.
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Hong Lieu: Where did I go give me your oil. I can drive my car with it. But that kind of has come and gone. So you really have to kind of have a restaurant that has a grease trap or, you know,
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Hong Lieu: In your tend to be not even louder to that. So there's just, you know, that's the thing. It once you figure out Greece disposal.
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Hong Lieu: Just eat fried turkey. Yeah, they have they have the outdoor burners with Propane with a big pot. That's what I like how I like to do it, but they have a ton of electric ones that you can do indoor now that don't use a lot of oil. So, but yeah.
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Hong Lieu: If you haven't tried it, you should try it. And if you need someone to help you cook it hit me up because I'm, I'm always down. It's so easy.
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Hong Lieu: And the food is delicious. And you can also have like a fried party. Not that I would recommend this because my you know my weight and stuff is already fluctuating
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Hong Lieu: But if you want to throw frozen breeders in there. You want to batter up some Oreos are there for a Twinkie in there you know bag of frozen.
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Hong Lieu: You might as well. Fish and chips. Oh yeah, but deep fried turkey. That's my
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Hong Lieu: My care for what ails you, insurance, your holiday meals and the one thing I will say if you know about deep fried stuff. It doesn't travel well so it's like Arby's Lindy fried turkey.
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Hong Lieu: Don't have someone fry it, and then bring it to you because
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Hong Lieu: It's like a ticking time bomb after like 1520 minutes. It's not tastes and different anymore. You gotta have fried pull it out, fresh and get some of that like Christmas while is there because it does age in ages and dog ears. You know how fast that stuff goes bad.
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Hong Lieu: But I mean the leftovers are still
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Hong Lieu: Pretty good.
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Akil Hill: And are you are listening to this, like,
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Akil Hill: Do you ever doubt anything
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Akil Hill: That says about Turkey, like I have no
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Akil Hill: I'm believing you to the team and
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Akil Hill: I have no doubt and you all my faith is it is completely in you on
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Akil Hill: I will say it is calling us to work with a mom at the cinema Republic libraries and my mom used to talk about that deep fried turkey that homemade all the time.
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Akil Hill: I would call her up. I'm like, you know, around this time. She's like, man, have deep fried turkey. It was he actually started before
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Akil Hill: We're going to have our, you know, our potluck or probably potluck haunts define the turkey and then I'll call her a week later, she'll be like, Yeah, you know, hung the fried turkey was good.
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Akil Hill: And then the week after she'd like I'm missing a Hans deep fried turkey, so shout out so Hong Kong is deep fried turkey.
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Hong Lieu: It's easy. Three minutes of pounds, people don't believe me, because they're like, What are you doing, I'm gonna go for the turkey. What you're just starting right now.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, no problem.
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Hong Lieu: Are you gonna burn your house down like man, when I was a kid, I had the latter with the spray paint sprayer.
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Cosima Celmayster: A blowtorch
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Hong Lieu: I'M GONNA BLOW MY HOUSE deep frying a turkey.
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Andrew Gil: Yeah, I gotta try this man.
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Andrew Gil: I, uh, I had my first brined Turkey.
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Hong Lieu: All Brian is good.
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Andrew Gil: Yeah, so
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Hong Lieu: It has that advanced prep time where you're
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Hong Lieu: Writing for like a day to day
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Andrew Gil: I'm not gonna lie. I don't know. I don't know why it's taken me this long in my life. But I had my first enjoyable Turkey, a week ago.
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Andrew Gil: And now I'm ready. Now I'm ready for deep fried.
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Hong Lieu: Fried turkey is absolutely legit because my my buddy Brian's of and he does like do two or three days. I'm like,
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Hong Lieu: It's in your fridge for two or three days a year to pull all the beers out or whatever you got it in there to make room for that thing.
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Hong Lieu: Day to day DEEP Right, you just bring it out to thaw drop it in the oil. I mean, people will do spice rubs flavor injector. Now I just drop it in.
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Hong Lieu: I don't even I tried it. I was I tested with people you know like I did nothing to this turkey. What do you think
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Hong Lieu: Like that's tricky ever had every single time. I've never had it. If you've never had it every single time. And there's some people like what's unhealthy, though, but it's like
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Hong Lieu: Theoretically, if you hit the oil, the right temperature when it hits the oil it seals on the outside. And it's, you know, but it's still bad for you i think i can't i can't sugarcoat that
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Hong Lieu: Plus you need something to do with that you need somebody with the gizzard that little bag to give you. Oh, you don't throw that away. You don't put that in the soup pot you deep fry them suckers.
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Andrew Gil: Every pieces used
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Hong Lieu: That turkey neck.
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Hong Lieu: Fly that turkey neck, you know,
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Akil Hill: They're just guys
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Akil Hill: Guys to watch
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Akil Hill: Funny.
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Andrew Gil: When you go
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Andrew Gil: When you, when you deep fried at the library. Did you take the deep fryer to the library.
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Hong Lieu: The last time I actually did like right before I left to come here, like I said, when we did the policy, for I would do it at my house. Bring it over because I was like, oh yeah, there's no way they're gonna let me fly with this cuz it's like propane tank and
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Hong Lieu: I was about to leave. And we were doing it. We did like a final THANKSGIVING THING, BECAUSE
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Hong Lieu: I started here in December. So it was like in November I set it up on the top patio and I'm like okay this is this is I'm doing this, do it. And it was it went okay i mean there was oil splatter. But it was in an area that that is close to the public. So it was it was nothing in the world.
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Hong Lieu: And I did too.
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Hong Lieu: Because that's, that's tough. When you do more than one because the oil drops and temperature. So you gotta kind of play by ear for the second one. But no, I went well.
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Akil Hill: I have no doubt.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, well, I wish, I wish I had something juicy as tongs, Turkey, but, uh, I got basically man and in light of all this coven man, I gotta shed some pounds. I put on this covert way. And so I basically on paleo so for the next like five shows
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Akil Hill: It may not be. I may have some exciting things, but I'm basically on I started paleo, so I was laughing
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Akil Hill: Talking about a little earlier. I'm a man. I'm like having brussels sprouts in Turkey bacon for lunch, you know,
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Akil Hill: But, uh, I'm excited. I'm excited. I kind of looking forward to, you know, every
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Akil Hill: New New Year's everyone's like, I'm setting my resolutions, I'm gonna lose weight. I'm going to be healthier.
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Akil Hill: So my thing is like, I'm going to start a little bit earlier, not really. Senate resolution, but I'm actually kind of looking forward to trying
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Akil Hill: You know, different types of food based upon what the limitations are I just went, you know, grocery shopping with my with my wife earlier.
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Akil Hill: And it was funny, we're laughing because I was like, man, it's so sad. Like we're walking around the supermarket. I'm like, only in the produce section only in the
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Akil Hill: Milk section for the
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Akil Hill: Eggs. The dairy section for the eggs and then we checked out. It was like
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Akil Hill: No, no, like chips section though cookie section, like I was like, oh man, no ice cream mile but uh yeah so I mean that's what
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Akil Hill: I'm kind of on and it's it's pretty cool, though. I mean, you can. It's basically he like you know me, fish, eggs, vegetables, fruits
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Akil Hill: Nuts for good, of course, anything that's process isn't um you know obviously soft drinks. Nothing processed most dairies beans are not good. So man check back in with me next.
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Hong Lieu: There's no limits with cooking food or anything. Right. You don't have to do everything raw, like, you know, straight up.
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Akil Hill: Yeah. Now, you still can cook it. I think the the method was from like hunter gatherer type thing where if you, you know, you can catch it, or you can hunt it you can cook it.
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Akil Hill: Is I think it's kind of based off of that, you know,
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Cosima Celmayster: So if I were to like bring some Christmas cake and leave it out on your like far away on your lawn and you had a fishing pole with that.
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Akil Hill: Full disclosure, I might have to sell out on the
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Akil Hill: Black Market. I know I got a buyer in the chat.
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Andrew Gil: 50
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Hong Lieu: smacking with a club for
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Akil Hill: A book. Yes. So that's, that's pretty much it was so funny because my wife was like, I like to focus on the things we can eat. And I'm like, no, we can't eat anything
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Akil Hill: Don't try to give me like play psychology with me on this. I'm like, it's like just basically produce in me, you know,
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Akil Hill: But I'm down for it. I'm going to take it slow. You know 30 days we'll see how that goes. I'm filling try to mix in some more some exercise, AND THEN WE'LL SEE HOW, HOW IT JANUARY looks, you know,
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Hong Lieu: Like Mike Tyson in that fight just looking
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Akil Hill: Oh, man. Come on, give me a bike look pretty good though.
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Hong Lieu: I'm saying that's what I'm saying.
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Akil Hill: Like he had combos. Yeah.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, so that's that's my stick. I will the next episode I'll fill you guys in in terms of what I'm eating. So I'm on paleo there. We'll see how it shakes out.
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Andrew Gil: I'm proud of you, man. I'm proud of you.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, I could do would be
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Akil Hill: You know, can't we all can't have deep fried Twinkies, you know,
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Hong Lieu: I've got back to you. I'm cutting back. But yeah, THE HOLIDAYS GOT live a little. Especially like Thanksgiving likes it. One of my favorite holidays.
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Akil Hill: I've been living since March Madness.
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Akil Hill: Stay out. This fridge. Do it. I'll be like,
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Akil Hill: To me, I'm kind of hungry.
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Akil Hill: Just all lucky my sweats all day, just like close to the pantry right now like
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Hong Lieu: At the start I was cooking a lot more. Now I am doing a little bit more, kind of like take out
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Hong Lieu: curbside pickup and stuff. But yeah, so it's, it has shifted a little bit where I need to kind of be be more mindful that stuff too. Yeah, yeah.
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Hong Lieu: So maybe Paleo challenge is
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Akil Hill: Let's do this. Do it 30 days 30 days.
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Hong Lieu: Should we do a quick quick culture. Culture Roundtable.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, sure.
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Hong Lieu: Anyone want to kick us off any volunteers.
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Akil Hill: Good.
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Hong Lieu: Alright my pic this pics episode is a comic
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Hong Lieu: Called blue and green by Ram v, and anon RK and Henrique it's a comic about a kind of a jazz musician who is a use was very talented and kind of
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Hong Lieu: fell by the wayside, a little bit and his mom was a musician, too. And she passed recently. So he goes back home for the funeral.
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Hong Lieu: And it spins into this tale of like supernatural, this and that but it's to kind of meditation on creativity and how various like life factors factor into that.
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Hong Lieu: And it's a it's a great kind of piece about built around jazz. Jazz music is a big part of it, and music in general. And it's just a really well drawn and well written book. So my pic is blue and green is a great Miles Davis song as well.
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Hong Lieu: We didn't know it from a mouse Dave song food green. But the book is excellent as well. So I'll put a link in the show notes blue and green.
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Great.
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Cosima Celmayster: Huh. Well, I am actually halfway through this book, The Outsider by Colin Wilson and I'm not completely through it, but it's really fascinating book that
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Cosima Celmayster: Really looks at
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Cosima Celmayster: Exploration of the rebel as a genius. So it like really looks at different
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Cosima Celmayster: Was trying to find the
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Cosima Celmayster: Good. That was where was the quote that they put on this, but basically looks at individuals across history, who have sort of branched outside of
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Cosima Celmayster: Kind of like the normal way of living life and ultimately that the individuals that really have
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Cosima Celmayster: A lot of that are like the outsiders in life are really awesome. Those that are really kind of exploring what's going on inside of ourselves. So it's a
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Cosima Celmayster: Sort of a self exploration, but through literature and through through mysticism and through the spiritual and through philosophy and history and literature.
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Cosima Celmayster: So I'm finding it really fascinating to, you know, to look at these various authors and various famous people throughout history.
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Cosima Celmayster: And using this lens of them being the outsider, not really living life. The normal way like pushing the envelope, whether it comes to
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Cosima Celmayster: You know politics or whether it comes to religion and the ways in which these individuals found meaning in their life, even if it meant them often sort of being the outsider.
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Cosima Celmayster: And you know, I think it's actually kind of telling in our, in our day and age to as we like move forward and shifting our thinking and
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Cosima Celmayster: Becoming more visionary in the way we sort of approach life. And this is where it says that what I wanted to read and Wilson's epic exploration of mystics visionaries literary pioneers political troublemakers. And the rule breakers of all sorts.
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Cosima Celmayster: This author Colin Wilson evokes a new kind of heroism, that changes the way we view our ourselves and our purpose in life. So kind of a little bit Hong like you're saying in terms of creativity and finding your place in life. So it has a similar theme to that.
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Hong Lieu: It's a great premise and I will also say that it's awesome. I'm curious if it explores kind of the, the negative aspects of being an outsider, because it
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Hong Lieu: It is very enlightening and very as someone who led a kind of eccentric life you know for certain parts of my life.
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Hong Lieu: It's very liberating and very freeing and it does kind of expand your mind and ways. You wouldn't believe but
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Hong Lieu: It can also be the, the social stigma and things that are attached to kind of being on the outside.
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Hong Lieu: Can be kind of daunting and put a lot of pressure as well. So, so it's an interesting
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Hong Lieu: I definitely believe that the premise is accurate. I definitely believe in what what the cardinal sin is saying, I do think that the those viewpoints those outside of the points are important, but it's it's quite it's quite the adventure, and it can be a lot to kind of to kind of do it.
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Cosima Celmayster: Absolutely. And it definitely talks about the the extreme levels of that in terms of the dark the dark side of that. And what that
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Cosima Celmayster: And what that encompasses and actually all of us actually having those. And one of the reasons I was attracted to the book is because, you know, coming from my masters.
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Cosima Celmayster: Through depth psychology, you know, the unconscious and it's driving our life and the choices we make, you know, a lot of that actually
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Cosima Celmayster: Entails you know what's sort of beneath. What we speak of. And what sort of that internal, private part of our lives and
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Cosima Celmayster: The Shadow Work or the unconscious or the dark, you know, darker kind of material of our life that we don't always
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Cosima Celmayster: Want to have expose and yet you know whether you know whether we address or not. It's still there. So this book speaks into that through different literary figures or political you know pieces and and so, absolutely. You know, you definitely addressing a part of what the book talks about
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, definitely. It definitely sounds like it complements blue and green pretty well because that is one of the facets of blue green is is how
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Hong Lieu: Dark the dark aspects, you know, those, those dark shadow moments like you talked about do kind of influence art and creativity in a way where, you know, you think of artists like Van Gogh.
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Cosima Celmayster: You know,
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Hong Lieu: And stuff like that and then Kurt Cobain has mentioned and Bloomberg specifically. But in terms of their, their lives were so kind of, you know, full of trauma and torment.
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Hong Lieu: But within that wellspring of just darkness, they tapped into it and created this kind of lasting legacy that has, you know, survive way beyond their, their unfortunately shorter lives, you know, as well. So
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Cosima Celmayster: Very similar.
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Hong Lieu: Very compliment great complimentary selection, that's
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Cosima Celmayster: Like we talked about beforehand, but we did
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Hong Lieu: The serendipity of
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Cosima Celmayster: Yeah yeah
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Akil Hill: Okay.
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Akil Hill: Andy You got anything
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Andrew Gil: Uh, yeah. So I was actually just thinking about that and i mean i'm loving what I'm hearing. This is awesome. I'm
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Andrew Gil: Akil knows this a little bit about me but I'm like I'm a, I'm a Early to bed, early to wake because I usually hit my workout like at 530 in the morning, so
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Andrew Gil: I have this super small window in the evening where after my son's gone down. And before I go to bed. I got like an hour so
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Andrew Gil: I've been. I've been playing around with some with some reading and I'm actually always trying to do some self help coaching books I'm actually always trying to become a better basketball coach.
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Andrew Gil: But I'm during coven I have found that I didn't really know this about me, but I really gravitated towards like the crime psychological thrillers, and I just currently finished the undoing.
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Though
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Andrew Gil: I won't say too much about it. I'll let you. I'll let you tap on that one, but like I'm finding a theme.
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Andrew Gil: Of shows that I'm really enjoying and the undoing big little lies little fires everywhere Ozark
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Andrew Gil: I'm finding that like the crime psychological thrillers that kind of leave you on edge. I'm I'm I'm supremely entertained for one, but I'm also like I could tell it. I'm getting like stressed out while watching
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Andrew Gil: But, uh, I have found that the acting and the writing and I don't usually have this much time to watch like full series. So I'm like, I'm really enjoying this little bit extra time to like
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Andrew Gil: Learn about like these these these new shows that all my friends talk about, but I just haven't always had time to watch so like I've actually really enjoyed this, but
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Andrew Gil: The one thing about all these shows. I think a common thread is like
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Andrew Gil: The things that people do when under stress, and how, how much things can change so dramatically. Like, I, uh,
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Andrew Gil: I think it's kind of like a, I don't know, it's, it's, it's kind of like an extension of the counseling work a little bit, but it's also like
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Andrew Gil: That that the fiction and the writing and the stories are just like so intense that like I'm a, I'm finding myself like
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Andrew Gil: I finished the show. And I'm like, I'm wanting like I'm trying to tell my wife like what happened. And I'm like, I'm trying to get her to watch it with me. But, uh,
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Andrew Gil: It's just like, man, I'm gonna say if you if you have, if you need something to watch. Check out the end doing Ozark big little lies little fires everywhere.
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Andrew Gil: Those are, those are some good shows
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Akil Hill: Yes. Yeah, I was. I was really gonna be like, I'm done doing
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Hong Lieu: So good. I haven't seen one of those things where I haven't seen it, and then everyone I know talks about. And I'm like, I didn't realize everybody watch this show, but
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Hong Lieu: It's really reach far and wide.
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Akil Hill: Well, it's windows shows you for me. I'm like, I don't want to tell anyone that I'm watching that and so everyone. It's all here everyone else.
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Andrew Gil: Watching it
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Akil Hill: Because I'm like, it's not really something I would take out but
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Akil Hill: I just finished up prior to watching the undoing. I was watching a bird box number box the good Lord bird on Showtime.
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Akil Hill: Oh yeah, I think I talked about that. That's phenomenal. So I was like, Okay, what am I gonna what's next. And so I we kind of stumbled across the I'm doing with
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Akil Hill: Nicole Kidman there has been a couple of heavyweights Hugh Grant and Nicole Kidman. Those are the. There's a couple other
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Akil Hill: You know well known actors and actresses as well but Hugh Grant Nicole Kidman those two are that kind of like the heavy weights and the series. I think it's six six part series.
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Andrew Gil: But it's six shows this quick
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Akil Hill: Yeah, it's quick.
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Akil Hill: And it keeps you on the edge of your, of your seat. You're going back and forth. Basically, I'm not going to give it away, but I will give the premise, there was
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Akil Hill: A TRAGEDY or a murder was committed and so you're trying to figure out who did it, and you're just basically I was changing from week to week, man. I was like,
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Akil Hill: No, this person did it.
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Akil Hill: Though that person didn't know, I think, is this person.
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Akil Hill: And so you'll
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Akil Hill: Find out until the very last episode and shout out to Hugh Grant man because I didn't know he had that type of acting skills, man. And I was seeing. I think I watched from him was Notting Hill.
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Akil Hill: You know, I could just he couldn't be acting, you know, actor in between. But last thing I remember this guy for was Notting Hill.
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Akil Hill: So that's, that's definitely Hong would plug those into the show notes. Man, if you guys are in need of something or searching for something. The undoing. You got to check it out. Yeah.
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Cosima Celmayster: Is that for sure.
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Andrew Gil: Yeah, it's so good. And like, yeah, you're so right, if you like. Now we may actually 30 minutes every 30 minutes I was changing my mind.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, right.
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Akil Hill: You know, is this person they're like bad
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Hong Lieu: And without spoiling anything. They do say who did it. This is not like a Twin Peaks where the drag it out. And there's a cliffhanger.
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Hong Lieu: We'll check it out.
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Akil Hill: You see how Don's
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Akil Hill: Doing
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Akil Hill: Full Circle do
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Hong Lieu: Great.
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Cosima Celmayster: I think I'm the oldest of all of us here.
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Akil Hill: Well, we know it's not Andy and Hong, and I don't know. I don't know. We may be the same.
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Akil Hill: age range. And I think that I got you. But that's a conversation
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Akil Hill: Yeah yeah
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Hong Lieu: Gentle. People don't tell tales out of school.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, so
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Andrew Gil: This was good. I had a
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Hong Lieu: Great.
Akil Hill: But, uh, I just wanted to real quickly, before I just wanted to thank
Akil Hill: The SEMA and Andy ally, on behalf of black faculty and staff as well for allowing
Akil Hill: You know, Andy is been a counselor and a mojo for, you know, this semester. And it's paid off. Huge from what up from the students. I've spoke to. So I just wanted to
Akil Hill: Say thank you for the on behalf of the FSA Andy for that and then Cosima and Lydia as well for, you know, pulling the plugs are pulling the strings and making that happen for
Akil Hill: Black faculty, staff, so it's got to give you guys a quick shout out on that before the show it. Thank you. Thank you.
Andrew Gil: I'm having I am
Andrew Gil: I'm loving my time with emotional right now and working with Casey is pretty cool. And we're gonna rock. Sounds great. So it's a it's a really cool opportunity and I just, I just can't wait to be in person. See these students and actually get to know them outside of zoom
So,
Andrew Gil: It's gonna be great.
Cosima Celmayster: Yeah, and I'm really excited to see where where this takes us. I know it's the beginning of a new
Cosima Celmayster: New process towards you know supporting our students. And I think it's going to expand. Moving on. Next year that's
Cosima Celmayster: The hope and the wish. And so, yeah, I'm excited, like Andy said when we get back face to face and moving, you know, moving forward, more so yeah I'm happy. And he was able to be a good fit and and thank you. Thank you.
Akil Hill: Yeah, and then hands going deep fried. The Turkey will we're back on campus. Yo, I'm gonna hold
Akil Hill: On hold on to it. I'm gonna hold on to it.
Hong Lieu: I'm ready, just let me know.
Hong Lieu: If I'm in place we're okay with the oil splattering I'll take it.
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Hong Lieu: Thank you all for coming onto the show. It was an honor to have both. Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Yes, any parting parting words about counseling before we
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Hong Lieu: Say goodbye.
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Just besides
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Hong Lieu: Yeah.
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Cosima Celmayster: We're here, we're here.
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Cosima Celmayster: Why, when students will thank me and an appointment. I'm like, this is what I do. This is what my job is. I'm here to support you in here to help you. And I know all I'll academic counselors feel the same.
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Akil Hill: Can you get the plugs again where the students may find your access counseling, like the website at all that absolutely so students can
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Cosima Celmayster: Book an academic counseling appointment with their counselor in starfish.
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Cosima Celmayster: We also have our virtual front desk counseling and we do have same day appointments as well. And it's SPC si.edu front slash counseling center and if they go to that website. It also
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Cosima Celmayster: Also explains what we do and the different ways to access our virtual front desk and our academic counseling services.
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Akil Hill: Great.
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Hong Lieu: Thank y'all so much
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Andrew Gil: Again, thank you.
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Akil Hill: So much. Thank you guys so much thank
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Andrew Gil: You. Thanks for having us. And I love what you guys are doing with the show. I, I, I, I'm always looking on the podcast to see when the next one's out
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, we try to drop everywhere every
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Hong Lieu: Other Wednesday every couple weeks. It's not something we're committed to because yeah that you know we're not you know about that pressure, but we've been doing getting that milestones.
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Akil Hill: Unless it's the turkey being cooked. We bought that freshman
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Hong Lieu: In three minutes a pound. You got
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Hong Lieu: Like
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Hong Lieu: A minute the side
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Andrew Gil: Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: You want to go. You don't want to go over because it will dry it will get kind of, you know, if you go too far over but it's usually pretty cool.
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Cosima Celmayster: Well, thank you for bringing this to the campus community and expanding this and and that's wonderful appreciate it and appreciate you asking to have on today.
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Hong Lieu: It's our it's our honor and without, without the input of Community vital community members like yourselves, who are helping students, day in and day out.
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Hong Lieu: You know, we, we would not have a platform and we would not have a platform to stand on. And so we are grateful that you would come on and take the time and we are grateful for the work you do every day with the students. So thank you very much.
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Akil Hill: Thank you guys both thank you hung, I believe that wraps up
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Hong Lieu: Student service. Yes, this is the season finale. We've been your lasting services department silver we're on to the next one.
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Andrew Gil: Like this. It's like the undoing finale.
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Hong Lieu: We did it.
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Yes, we did.
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Hong Lieu: So we will start admin, but we do have to have a season premiere with I think America. We know folks but that will be coming soon. Fantastic.
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Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: So well. So until next time we will see everyone again. Thank you all for joining us. And thank once again. Thank you Andy THERE HE GOES FOR JOINING US. And until next time, take care of y'all.
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Akil Hill: Thanks, guys.