SBCC Vaquero Voices

Episode 12 - Roxane Byrne and Dr. Donte Newman

Episode Summary

Akil and Hong kick off season two by welcoming Roxane Byrne and Dr. Donte Newman to the show to discuss their program "The America We Know" and their life journeys that led them to SBCC. The show ends with everyone sharing some books and shows that have been helping them stay engaged in "higher learning."

Episode Notes

Mentioned in this episode:

The America We Know -

SHARPs (Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice) -

"Punk" as a Slur -

Long Time Coming -

Breathe: A Letter to my Sons -

Avatar: The Last Airbender -

The Legend of Korra -

When Half is Whole -

Borderlands -

The Spanish Princess -

Bridgerton -

Dateline -

Society of the Spectacle -

Rabbit Hole Podcast -


Episode Transcription

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Hong Lieu: Hello and welcome to another episode of SBCC Vaquero Voices a podcast highlighting the unique voices that comprise our campus culture and how we're all working together to serve our students in the community at large, as usual. I'm joined by my co host to keel hill.



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Akil Hill: Was good. Yeah.



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Hong Lieu: And today we are honored to welcome Roxanne burn the coordinator of equity diversity and cultural competency here on campus and Dr. Dante Newman communications person here on campus. Welcome to the both of you.



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Donte Newman: Thank you.



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Hong Lieu: As promised, you know, we were we were guests on your show and we promised that you would kick off our second season and here we are. And along with that second season kickoff, a big thank you to



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Hong Lieu: SB local Paul grant for allowing us use his track 1am is our intro and natural music. So if you enjoyed that gentle boom Bap with slight jazz touches



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Hong Lieu: Check out Paul Graham.



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Akil Hill: enjoys music if I'm on Spotify, as well as special shout out positive, a friend of mine so and SPC see a mom. So we got to give them some special love



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He's a great guy.



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Hong Lieu: Yeah, support the arts both local and abroad.



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Hong Lieu: And yeah, if you can find find physical media top the physical media for sure.



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Hong Lieu: Yes, it's so y'all wear many hats on campus. I mean, beyond being a communications director and the coordinator of Equity, Diversity cultural competency here on campus, you also co host the



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Hong Lieu: America, we know show podcast a discussion. Is there a category there, or do you want to talk a little bit how that how that came together and was the kind of Genesis, for all that was



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Donte Newman: Saying, Would you, would you like to talk about the origins of talk



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Roxane Byrne: Dante. Thank you.



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Donte Newman: Yeah, absolutely. I so I think it was immediately following the, the police murder of Jewish food where Roxanne and I got together to talk about



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Donte Newman: What we could do to to sort of have this this ongoing conversation about about race.



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Donte Newman: In about policing on campus, but obviously we talked about more than that now, but



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Donte Newman: I remember calling a killer is like hey you know I want to do this thing with Roxanne and we want to do it like, perhaps, once a month.



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Donte Newman: And should we call it. This is America and in a kill goes, Nah man, you should call it the America we know. So that's fire and so and that's sort of how I got started and kill. I don't know. Refresh my memory that does that sound.



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Akil Hill: Good. Yeah, man, I was pretty accurate. I think



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Akil Hill: Yeah, yeah. I think that was pretty pretty accurately you you said, what was it, what do you call it.



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Donte Newman: I think like this is the this is



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Roxane Byrne: The same now.



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Akil Hill: America. I know.



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Akil Hill: I did I say America. Oh.



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Akil Hill: Wait, no, I don't even remember. I don't even



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Roxane Byrne: So let me tell the story.



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Akil Hill: You should have just started from the beginning.



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Roxane Byrne: I just want to see what you all would do with it. And then I was like, let me let



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Hong Lieu: Me like like Russia, mon. You get like the



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Hong Lieu: Like the objective like okay this



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Donte Newman: Right.



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Roxane Byrne: Let me tell you how it really went down.



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Roxane Byrne: So yeah, Dante and I, you know, got together and we're having this conversation about wanting to have a panel wanting to highlight the voices of people on our campus and give them, you know, the opportunity to to share sort of their experiences with



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Roxane Byrne: Law enforcement in the community throughout their lives on campus and that sort of thing. And then Dante and Akil had that conversation. I think Dante proposed the America I know



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Roxane Byrne: And and it kills like no, it should be the America we know right and what then, you know, maybe like one or two episodes later Dante and I realized why the acronym for that is so good because it's taught



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Roxane Byrne: Right, right. And so, and what do we do, is we talk we talk about people's lived experiences, their lives, their, you know, their hopes, their dreams, all, all sorts of stuff, but it just ended up being like the perfect name and the perfect acronym, which was the America we know



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Donte Newman: Exactly. See, this is why I asked Roxanne to sort of document what the the origins of the America we know because she has a better command of our history.



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Hong Lieu: Yeah.



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Hong Lieu: Take, take one of them had the same kind of impact as an acronym. So, yeah.



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Donte Newman: Right, right.



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Donte Newman: Although this is America with the Gambino connection.



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Hong Lieu: With this is America that would have been, you know,



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Akil Hill: Yeah.



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Hong Lieu: You have some lawyers banging on the door with a cease.



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Hong Lieu: And desist like



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Donte Newman: You're right, absolutely no this the America we know it is definitely



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Donte Newman: Have not been used before. Aside from some guy wrote a book called The, the America we know, but it has



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Roxane Byrne: We're not talking about him.



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Donte Newman: Talking about. So it's not talking about that at all, actually, but for sure. For sure. And so then, from there, Roxanne and I started you know doing it once a month, I believe in July or August



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Donte Newman: Yeah because initially



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Donte Newman: It was behind the scenes, right Sam was behind the scenes. She didn't she didn't want to talk at first. If we can be honest.



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Donte Newman: And so we're like Roxanne. Come on. You're the perfect person to be, you know, out in the forefront to have these conversations conversations about



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Donte Newman: About things that are that are happening right now in America because too often we tend to think



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Donte Newman: Talk about race from this sort of unilateral perspective, like, okay, especially about race and policing is Islam but it. Not only does it affect black people. It affects so many other people, especially



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Donte Newman: Individuals who are connected to black men and if you know you know i'll just say that it's



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Donte Newman: Yeah, I think they caught it.



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Donte Newman: But



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Donte Newman: Again we have conversations beyond that now.



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Roxane Byrne: Yeah, and I think part of what happened to is is as we started to have the conversation about you know me kind of coming more forward and not just being in the business behind the scenes place. I think if we then again connected with the idea of the America we know



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Roxane Byrne: Right, right. And, and so we wanted to expand it, because I think initially we were really, really driven and to center the black experience.



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Roxane Byrne: Yeah, and and so for me like I was holding much more like a technical role in the



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Roxane Byrne: Background. I know. Helping. Helping to, kind of, you know, get all of the the webinars stuff ready and the funding and all of that piece.



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Roxane Byrne: And and then, you know, we, as we continued to talk, we realized you know there's there's more to this conversation that we want to address. And so the we part became really important and it also allowed us, I think, to think about



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Roxane Byrne: Like our guests and the topics and who we wanted to bring on the show that could speak voice to



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Roxane Byrne: You know, two different different topics that are impacting our community and our culture. So it like worked out perfectly. I think I don't know.



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Donte Newman: Yeah. In organically to yeah but



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Roxane Byrne: However, I think we do really still aim to center the black



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Roxane Byrne: Experience as much as possible. So you'll see that, like with our guests and we've had some, you know, people from other like multi ethnic identities and experiences and you know racial identities and so forth coming onto the show, but we still really make like a concerted



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Donte Newman: Effort right



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Roxane Byrne: Sure that the black voices there.



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Donte Newman: Yeah, absolutely. But it's also important to that we that we also give everyone else a space to to discuss issues that they may have an impact.



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Donte Newman: On their on their daily lives. So we're doing a bit of both. By will be centering black voices were centering issues that disproportionately having



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Donte Newman: having an impact on black people, but we're also talking about things that have an impact on other people's lives. Like, for example,



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Donte Newman: For accent and I have a conversation and then she's also centering okay what does it like to, to be a person is, for example, a we we know, oftentimes, when we talk about race, it tends to be dominated by



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Donte Newman: Black male discourse. Right. And by black male intellect and about what black men have produced in



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Donte Newman: The experience that they go through and so one thing that we've done intentionally is that we've had a significant number of



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Donte Newman: guests who identify as women. And so that's one way that we can dissenter, that black male voice because



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Donte Newman: As the host right and then we inviting all in another black man and another black man again we're doing what they were doing in the 16th right it's



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Donte Newman: No sexual black man leading the conversation about race and racial injustice. And so I think we've been pretty intentional about opening up the space and being allowing other folks that come in who identify as allies right and then



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Donte Newman: We all get an opportunity to be an ally to because we have conversations about, for example, we talked about feminism in in sexism. That was an opportunity for me to be an ally in that space, even though I am the host of the show so



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Donte Newman: It's, yeah, we're doing a lot with our show, like if there is an issue that has an impact on someone's life we're talking about it, right, like we're talking about it.



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Roxane Byrne: Because that one. Sorry. Dante, I was thinking one thing that with it is always a part of our agenda and our objective, and I think that we're pretty clear about that too is



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Roxane Byrne: That when we say the America. We know we are talking about about individuals and communities that have been historically marginalized. So this isn't the America that they own.



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Donte Newman: We



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Roxane Byrne: Were talking about the America that we know as people of color as women, as you know, people with different gender identities and sexual orientations and all those things that's that's the the America that we're talking about. And that experiences. Absolutely.



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Hong Lieu: I appreciate. I appreciate that pivot to the personal coming on the show.



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Hong Lieu: For myself because I was nervous and I felt like I you know I wouldn't have anything to offer to the conversation, but just haven't been able to speak from what I knew personally and can start there.



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Hong Lieu: That it was a I was able to kind of flesh out and kind of I felt like I was able to contribute better because coming in.



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Hong Lieu: I don't know much about this is that this, that, or the other. I don't know what I can really bring this conversation has already been said, but a lot but couching in the personal allowed me to school, like, Oh, well, if I have a live life I have lived experiences that



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Hong Lieu: Are deeply meaningful and centering it there allows folks to come on and and just be more comfortable just kind of letting letting it rip, so to speak, and I felt that was really that was a really great aspect of the show, Monday, you really have done a good job of owning, you know, right.



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Akil Hill: I'm going to piggyback off of you on to one of the things that I really appreciate about the show is that by hearing the different voices. You can see the commonalities.



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Akil Hill: Around racism and sexism that have always been deeply embedded in this country.



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Akil Hill: But it's coming from different people. And so to me that you know makes me kind of reflect on you know people's commonalities are shared experiences are greater, and then what people really may think that they are you know what I mean, how does someone from



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Akil Hill: The you know Santa Barbara, California have the same shared experience around race that someone from Houston, Texas. Does that some that some Asian people in Los Angeles have. Why is that



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Akil Hill: And



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Akil Hill: You guys do a great job at highlighting that



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Donte Newman: Yes, absolutely. Thank you all so again for actually participating in joining us on the American we know in fact



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Donte Newman: We must say that it was based on you know responses from our guests. It was one of the better shows that we've had.



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Donte Newman: Right, I got a significant amount of positive feedback from from students and from our colleagues who said while we really enjoyed and appreciated.



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Donte Newman: You all having on I'm going to kill because one thing that we did. When you all came on, is that we opened up talking about you.



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Donte Newman: Right, and that's something we hadn't done in the past. What we didn't really actually say give our guests a space to say, look, this is who I am. This is where I'm from.



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Donte Newman: And so that kind of opened up the conversation to talk about, hey, I'm coming.



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Donte Newman: You know, I'm an Asian right and so and that kind of opened up the door for like a number of conversations about what it means to be Asian in America. What does it mean to be an agent.



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Donte Newman: Who's Who who's trying to figure navigate this space of being an ally to black people and it's so interesting because



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Donte Newman: I'm black, and kills black homes Asian and Roxanne is identify I start saying you otherwise he cannot see that



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Roxane Byrne: I do. Hey yeah biracial Asian



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Donte Newman: Asian so



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Roxane Byrne: Yeah.



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Donte Newman: So it's why you can see it. Then, as well. So we, it was a really, you know, dynamic show of us like if you go back and listen to it.



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Donte Newman: You will really listen to how we're playing off one another and how like this, the conversation just flowed so well because they're just so many as the chaos data just so many points of common ground and so many things that we had to learn. And yeah, it was, it was a great show.



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Hong Lieu: Yeah. And we really only scratched the surface. There are things that I wanted to bring up that whole we can talk about today as well. So there's



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Hong Lieu: Always yeah and I gotta admit, I did steal some of some of your swag Dante when we were doing our holiday podcast in terms of interacting with the crowd like



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Hong Lieu: The comments and stuff like you're just really. I mean, you're really good at not only



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Hong Lieu: Relating to the guests, but just relating to the people that are joining you like it just is like just kind of kicking back and having a conversation. It doesn't feel like some kind of like webinar or a zoom meeting.



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Hong Lieu: You're able to integrate. Everybody keep people involved in the chat. Like, it was, it was just a really it was a really good time for me for me personally and and it was I felt like it was a great show. And it has been a great show all the episodes, you all have done so.



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Donte Newman: Yeah, I think, if I may.



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Donte Newman: Speak over you. I'm just kidding.



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Roxane Byrne: Here we



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Donte Newman: Know, one thing I have to say, because I know Roxanne is jumping. It is one thing you all don't know. I'm sorry I have to do this because is Roxanne actually sends me a private message in the chat.



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Donte Newman: You all don't see this. He says he goes, Hey, um, you know, we need a bit more crop participation and so I'm getting the signal.



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Donte Newman: From Roxanne, Roxanne, I had to know that.



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Roxane Byrne: I didn't want that to be lost.



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Roxane Byrne: Text.



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Roxane Byrne: And listen, you sign text right now.



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Roxane Byrne: I'll take right



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Donte Newman: But that's a true story. I get that message from log saying like, hey, we need a little bit more crop, which is a patient, get them in by okay



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Donte Newman: That's a Roxanne sorry you're



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Roxane Byrne: Like okay, time to move along.



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Roxane Byrne: So I'm yeah I'm still serving in that role that I initially hell, which is



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Roxane Byrne: What do they call that and broadcasting.



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Hong Lieu: I don't know.



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Roxane Byrne: That's a producer. Yes.



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Roxane Byrne: I am now the producer of talk which I appreciate it.



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Roxane Byrne: Yeah, my resume.



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Roxane Byrne: Yeah, but I was, I was just



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Roxane Byrne: I was just thinking like something that, you know, it's so funny. So I've been waking up recently every morning with songs in my head, and it's



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Roxane Byrne: Driving me



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Roxane Byrne: Nuts. Like, I literally wake up like singing a song in my head.



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Roxane Byrne: So take time. It's



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Roxane Byrne: Usually



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Akil Hill: I got the inside track of that. Yeah, it's real. Tick tock.



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Roxane Byrne: Usually is Tick tock. But this morning I woke up singing a song from Hamilton and we can totally promise that problem with Hamilton, all you want, but I enjoy Hamilton. I enjoyed the music.



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Roxane Byrne: But I woke up singing the song we live we die, who shares our story. I don't know if you remember that part. So the end of Hamilton and it's this whole like and I literally. That's the only line that keeps keeps running through my head all day. And so it's making me think about like



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Roxane Byrne: All of what we're talking about right now, we're really we're so interested in in that platform of lived experience right and and validating lived experience as real important.



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Roxane Byrne: Knowledge and resource and data for all of us. So I think, you know, when we do talk to and it's something that I think Dante and I have gotten better and better and better at is, is



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Roxane Byrne: Not just bringing people on so they can kind of share their perspective about things right but like he said like personalizing it. And I think when we had YouTube on the show it. We really, I think, fine tuned that piece.



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Roxane Byrne: Of saying like who are you



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Roxane Byrne: Like we're inviting home, whose home has got his life and we're inviting a keel. And we want to know about that. And then let's get into some of the media stuff, you know. Yeah.



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Donte Newman: And



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Donte Newman: Yeah. No, seriously, I think that that was



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Donte Newman: So pivotal to the conversation that we had following that sort of introduction of I'm going to kill because it the conversation just went by so smoothly. After that, in our guests. We really appreciated that. And so now we're in our own voices and we're talking about



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Hong Lieu: Now I know this is like a Neptune.



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Hong Lieu: Situation, you gotta



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Hong Lieu: Write in the chat. You go, you know, like, it's like, dude,



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Donte Newman: That's another way



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Akil Hill: Dropping that he's gonna be talking about he's happy all the time. He's gonna be walking around saying that song.



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Akil Hill: Happy



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Hong Lieu: To be thrown that any Rd guitar solos in there, then you know what I'm



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Donte Newman: Talking about seeing sounds I was one of my favorite albums back in the gap remember seeing sounds



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Hong Lieu: Oh, yeah.



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Donte Newman: Dr killjoy, all those good song. Oh.



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Donte Newman: Oh yeah, that's not talking about. I was



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Donte Newman: Thinking about another song that's on the album. But yeah, not



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Donte Newman: Seeing sounds. Yeah.



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Hong Lieu: Yeah, cuz i mean i know and and and the lived experience. I mean, it's kind of crazy that it's only now that we're really kind of looking at, it's like everyone's lived experience matters like way, way like that what



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Hong Lieu: Yeah, it's true. There's a lot there about for a large swath of this population in this country and beyond.



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Hong Lieu: We just didn't care about their lived experience. We just, you know, it was, it was like maybe a data point on a spreadsheet somewhere.



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Hong Lieu: But beyond that, you hear anything about it. And that's one thing in terms of me growing up, I made a point to kind of seek those kind of things out seek those outliers seek those kind of those



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Hong Lieu: You know those situations that I wouldn't normally find myself in as as an agent grown up with that kind of model minority scenario playing out in my head were



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Hong Lieu: beaten into my head on my parents. Occasionally, you know, so yeah, so it's it's one of those things where yeah we we really have to expand that conversation and and get all those perspectives in there and kind of



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Hong Lieu: Let those within a wash over us and see how it affects our own our own lives and worldview.



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Donte Newman: Yeah, absolutely. And that's one thing that we really care about on our show is that



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Donte Newman: We talked about, like, do we want to invite on experts to sort of unpack these issues and that's one thing that we could do. I think a lot of people tend to do that right on their shows they



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Donte Newman: Invite these individuals on who have, you know, expert knowledge in the subject. Right. And they are really immersed into



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Donte Newman: Sort of the language and they're really immersed into sort of the, the ideas and the concepts and the evidence. Right. But one thing we enjoy to is inviting individuals on who just



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Donte Newman: Talk about, you know, the issues from their own perspectives. And I think that that's powerful too. I think we've gotten to a place where we have sort of prioritize sort of like this academic sort of



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Donte Newman: Knowledge and we sort of deep prioritize you know people's real realities.



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Donte Newman: Right. And so, and yeah, and we can get into a conversation about anecdotal evidence, but sometimes that firsthand experience is just as



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Donte Newman: Credible as a data point why like when you can point to and say, look, this is a pattern lie. And so, yeah, I do think that personalizing it is important to understanding, you know,



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Donte Newman: The impact that structures have on people's lives.



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Hong Lieu: Yeah, and especially as seen that firsthand growing up like depending on your audience certain kids and streets like you want to tell them that like book, you should read like



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Hong Lieu: I reading a single book. But if he talked about how you grew up what you went through what you see in yourself that you see in them, etc, etc.



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Hong Lieu: They can some folks latch on to that much better or vice versa. Some folks say I don't care what's going on with your life.



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Hong Lieu: Tell me, tell me what I need to know and that's when you drop these these, uh, Jeff ML, you know, even mix Kenny and all this stuff. And let's, let's do this. Let's go that way. So you really have to



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Hong Lieu: We have to try to be more dynamic in terms of how we approach this conversation and I feel like, y'all. Y'all do a great job of that in terms of catering to show to the guests and key in the show to the folks that listen. So thank you very much.



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Donte Newman: Thank you. Roxanne



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Hong Lieu: Roxanne, Roxanne for



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Hong Lieu: Being the magic behind the scenes, making it happen.



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Hong Lieu: And then you're out now coming up front in front of the camera and do exactly



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Donte Newman: What you all don't see is like like saying, I'm not sure we can share this where I say no. We just had a meeting like an hour ago. She's like, okay.



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Donte Newman: Let's schedule for the next for this entire semester. Let's get get our guests as this is always going to run and so she's not only doing the work behind the scenes, but also doing the work you know on the forefront so



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Donte Newman: You gotta, you gotta, you gotta give Roxanne her flowers why she can still smell them.



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Hong Lieu: That's that's left brain and right brain. Your brain normally folks if you'd like. I'll do one, but not the other. But for you to take that mantle and do both. I mean, you gotta, you gotta gotta show appreciation Godzilla.



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Donte Newman: And yeah. And so, but I think, you know, since we are talking about NSPCC i think that you know one thing that I've noticed I sort of have been here since 2019 i think i don't i can't



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Donte Newman: I can't think of another person who are perhaps interacted more within Roxanne and so one thing that I've learned to about Roxanne, is that in any meeting, especially on any committee, she's stepping up



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Donte Newman: Right. If you know how sometimes when you join a committee meeting and they're just like is. Does anyone want to do this.



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Donte Newman: Yeah, yeah, you know, sure I, you know, I'll do it and things actually go smoothly. So, you know, I know. We're going to talk a little bit about how we got here to NSPCC but that's one thing that I've that I've sort of



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Donte Newman: Learned since I've been at as BCC is that, you know, Roxanne is always stepping up to the plate and just so many different you know aspects on campus so



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Donte Newman: It's a pleasure. What



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Roxane Byrne: Are we going to change the name of this this episode to the real Roxanne that's



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Donte Newman: The real



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Hong Lieu: Yeah, I think, which set of in the description. Roxanne is the official guest and we have all of us are hostess. We just a true breakdown interview. Yeah.



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Donte Newman: Right, we, we are celebrating Roxanne on this, on this talk show right now.



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Hong Lieu: So let's just starting off our next section. Terms of how both of you got to SPC she rocks and you want to kind of kind of break down a little bit how you got to where you are today or or how you've interacted NSPCC over the years to



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Roxane Byrne: Sure, absolutely. So I told Dante earlier today and kill knows this about me too. But I told Dante and like we need like a Safe safe word



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Roxane Byrne: Or somewhere that you throughout me that tells me to like, be quiet. Good. You've been talking too.



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Roxane Byrne: Much because I kill knows I can tell a story and it's a long story. So I will try to keep it succinct.



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Roxane Byrne: But if I don't, you know, this



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Roxane Byrne: Just step in and tell me them taking too long. So I'll just give a little bit of background, you know, I was what people would probably called a troubled teenager. You know I face a lot of challenges as as a young person and



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Roxane Byrne: You know, end up dropping out of high school and



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Roxane Byrne: Only to come back and be allowed into like a distance learning independent study program where I had to turn in like a packet through a window, and then they would hand me another packet through a window and I'd be asked to leave campus immediately.



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Roxane Byrne: would fill out. And so that's how I finished high school, right, which didn't offer a whole lot of opportunities for college afterwards. Mind you, in junior high, I had been like



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Roxane Byrne: 4.0 student. It was in high school where things kind of fell apart for me so I didn't have a lot of opportunities to figure out what I wanted to do after high school I was living down in LA and San Gabriel Valley.



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Roxane Byrne: Hung and I from MTV. Um, so yeah.



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Hong Lieu: Oh, yeah.



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Roxane Byrne: You know, I was down in in



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Roxane Byrne: In LA area and I



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Roxane Byrne: You know, think i think i was a pretty smart kid who just got caught up in a lot of stuff that didn't really help my process and didn't offer a lot of opportunity. And so after finishing high school



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Roxane Byrne: I was kind of trying to pull my my life together in a new way and started at a community college down there.



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Roxane Byrne: About halfway into my first semester, my parents, my dad got a job up in Santa Barbara.



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Roxane Byrne: And they were going to move. And I was like, I'm not moving. I'm staying down here. I'm never leaving LA, and I'm going to be in this area forever and started planning like staying down there with with my friends and



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Roxane Byrne: One weekend my moms like, you know, we're going to go up, we're going to kind of look around and see where you know where we might want to live. Why don't you come with us, you know, just, just like break out of the LA bubble and



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Roxane Byrne: You know, come, come check it out. And so I reluctantly said, Okay, fine. I'll go with you and they strategically got off the freeway that day on Korea cabrio so along the beach. So we're here we are, you know, I'm from San Gabriel Valley, like it's two hours to the beach.



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Roxane Byrne: If you just for good.



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Roxane Byrne: Anyway,



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Hong Lieu: But in traffic. It's like two hours over



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Roxane Byrne: Like a dismal



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Roxane Byrne: suburbia right Matt and I wouldn't even call it suburbia because it's not. It's just, you know, it's the valley San Gabriel Valley.



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Roxane Byrne: WHICH I LOVE. But you know, it's not Santa Barbara. So they got the freeway cabrio I'm driving along ocean palm trees.



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Roxane Byrne: And I'm like, what, you know, what is this place. And so my moms like having me and I was driving. She was in passionate. See, she tells me, Okay go this way. That's, that's the Community College.



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Roxane Byrne: Now the community college, I went to look nothing like Santa Barbara City College.



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Roxane Byrne: So I was like, what, and she's like, You want to go check it out. And I don't remember this part, but she remembers clearly that we walked in, walked around campus went to the missions and records building. And back then they used to have these little computers like on a



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Roxane Byrne: On these tables and I registered. So I like enrolled that day and was like, I'm coming with you. So that's how I found myself NSPCC back in the early 90s.



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Roxane Byrne: I just happened to drive down Korea Boulevard.



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Roxane Byrne: And walk on the campus and say, I got to be here and I have to say just from like a personal perspective was probably one of the best decisions I made because it really helped me to make that transition into a different



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Roxane Byrne: phase of my life, I think, had I stayed in the Los Angeles greater Los Angeles area, it would have been a lot harder for me to pull my life together in the way that I did. I mean,



00:26:48.810 --> 00:26:57.570

Roxane Byrne: I was like recently clean and sober. I was really working towards changing my life. So when I came to SBC and I removed myself from that old environment.



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Roxane Byrne: A couple things happen. One like I you know maintained my sobriety. So I've been clean and sober since 1995 1994



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Roxane Byrne: You know what I mean, like, it's this is a long time that you know no drugs, no alcohol, no nothing.



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Roxane Byrne: I didn't know anybody up here and then being a part of Santa Barbara City College. It's kind of hard to, you know, find a lot of people to connect with. If you're not partying right



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Roxane Byrne: And but I had to because I didn't. That's not what I was doing at this point. I didn't know anyone to do those things with. So I got involved in like campus clubs leadership. I really immerse myself back into the academic space.



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Roxane Byrne: And just like loved SBC and, you know, had had lots of bumps in the roads in that process as well but



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Roxane Byrne: knew that I wanted to come back. And so as a faculty. I came back in like the early 2000s, as an adjunct faculty member in the early childhood education department. And then in the personal development department.



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Roxane Byrne: So I had known that I wanted to come back and I maintained a lot of relationships with instructors. So when I finished my bachelor's degree. And I finished my masters.



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Roxane Byrne: I was just reaching out to all the people that I knew and was given an opportunity to come back in and work for the institution. So, I love it. I love SPC



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Hong Lieu: Yeah yeah i mean i i'm all I was almost opposite by time I went to the Cal Poly when I was 18 I was sick of LA, I was like, I'm done.



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Hong Lieu: I need to go somewhere else.



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Hong Lieu: And, but, but, I mean, but that time set in St. Louis, and maybe come back and appreciate the city. So it's like a flip and I flip back you know so



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Hong Lieu: But I did want to ask you one thing, because I know you



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Hong Lieu: We talked before about how you grew up as a punk, you know, as a punk rocker and this and that. I mean, the punk scene in back in those days was pretty rough even for me. I mean,



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Hong Lieu: By the time I was. Yeah, I did. I



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Hong Lieu: gravitated toward that because of the danger, but as a man, is it is dangerous. As a woman I can eat. I mean, if you can speak on that a little bit, but I mean it was it. Yeah, I don't know. It was wild like it.



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Hong Lieu: Yeah.



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Roxane Byrne: Yeah, like if I were to unpack it



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Roxane Byrne: Absolutely. It was often a hostile environment for for women in a lot of different ways.



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Roxane Byrne: But also a very empowering environment because it was really I think some of the things that drew me to the to the scene in the first place was



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Roxane Byrne: The real sort of radical progressive thought, you know, in our music in our politics and the things we were talking about, you know, you didn't get an often have 15 year olds talking about sort of the world and



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Roxane Byrne: social inequality and even gender inequality, those weren't things that you know your average 1415 YEAR OLD ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT.



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Roxane Byrne: But in the punk rock scene. It's very much a part of kind of your identity and and



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Roxane Byrne: It kind of everything that we do. Even down to sort of the clothing, right, which is which is this expression of being kind of not down with the system of challenging kind of the systems of oppression, so



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Roxane Byrne: I think in one way where you know there's of course all the toxic toxic masculinity that you find in every other sort of experience. Definitely. It was there as well.



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Roxane Byrne: For me, I mean, I just, I love that scene and I love the music and I loved everything that it afforded me in my experience, I actually



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Roxane Byrne: You know, started and this is like super personal but I'll share it anyways I so I started using drugs and alcohol very young age, like I was, you know, 1213 years old.



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Roxane Byrne: When I start to experiment a little bit. And then, bye bye freshman year of high school, was it was game over. You know, I think my first GPA freshman year was like a 1.2 or something.



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Roxane Byrne: And, you know, and then, like I said, I dropped out of high school, a little not too long later I was a teen runaway ran away from home. I was rough period.



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Roxane Byrne: For me it wasn't so much being involved in in that particular scene, but it was more getting involved in drugs and alcohol that that took me in a whole other direction.



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Roxane Byrne: And actually outside of that scene. So then I started to be much more involved in, as you know, like in the LA area. A lot of people don't know this in the LA area.



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Roxane Byrne: Specifically the San Gabriel Valley, the punk rock scene and the sort of gang culture and community are very inner lap is very interconnected.



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Roxane Byrne: And so it was very easy for me to make this transition from this kind of like, you know, group of young sort of rebellious kids who often were from different areas of the suburbs, but other places as well but



00:31:46.230 --> 00:31:55.770

Roxane Byrne: Who were sort of rebelling against culture in general and and getting involved in certain things and then to kind of move into this other world of



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Roxane Byrne: Not just using drugs, but being kind of intimately involved with like dealing drugs and crime and there was just a lot of really interesting things. So for me, what happened is, is when that that kind of



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Roxane Byrne: Overlap happened. I just went on one a totally different direction. So then all of my friends who who were part of that like punk rock scene started to not really know who Roxanne was anymore and



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Roxane Byrne: And so I'm glad that like when I finally had that that that epiphany moment at a quite young age for for most people, they're not getting clean sober at 18 but I did you know



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Roxane Byrne: And I think moving out of that environment for me and coming up here was, was a big shift because Santa Barbara was a whole different a whole different beast, then you know the Greater Los Angeles area for me. Yeah.



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Hong Lieu: I can definitely



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Hong Lieu: I could have a second that



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Akil Hill: I, I will definitely say that I think maybe



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Akil Hill: It was, you know, a month or so ago we were a bad Roxanne's



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Akil Hill: Parents house and their mother found like this old photo album of



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Akil Hill: Roxanne, or actually it was more like a photo journal album that rocks and kind of did when she was like in high school, right, was it when you're high school



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Roxane Byrne: I think I made it. When I was in college.



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Akil Hill: Okay, but man, I can tell you, man. Those pictures up in there. You know, like I was like, Who is that



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Akil Hill: You know, but that punk scene was real man. Often the, all the way from like the dogs to the pink hair to the, you know,



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Hong Lieu: And what and what Roxanna saying about the intersection ality in gangs and punk is very true, because in East LA. I mean, when I came in, um, you know, the we were the, the Asian TO ASK FOR THAT CAME IN THE BOAT PEOPLE FROM THE 80s that



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Hong Lieu: Came in LA. There was a lot of friction in East LA between all the new folks that came in and the folks that were established, you know, you have, you have the



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Hong Lieu: Latin. Next, you know, Chicano gangs with these new Asian gangs that were coming in from you know folks that came in and



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Hong Lieu: And that there was friction there. So for me.



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Hong Lieu: Punk was a natural kind of way out, because if I didn't go the punk route, I would have gotten the gang route. You know, like there's with one or the other. You don't get a choice like school is all also there but school is like



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Hong Lieu: A distant third in terms of what's on your mind, day to day is you're trying to survive in the area. So it was either gangs or punk so Punk was easy, because you when someone says, Where are you from, oh, I'm a punk rocker like I'm



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Hong Lieu: Not I don't do that kind of like



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Hong Lieu: Your story rock ghetto. You know, like when people come here, like I



00:34:20.130 --> 00:34:21.180

Hong Lieu: Could go that way both ways.



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Hong Lieu: And the East LA punk scene was very inclusive. You know, like a



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Hong Lieu: Community, a lot of good shows



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Hong Lieu: It wasn't till I started going to shows in LA and Hollywood up in Ventura rights are seen skinheads and this and that and then see these



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Hong Lieu: You have to put on these really tough facades, because the politics are very progressive



00:34:36.210 --> 00:34:41.220

Hong Lieu: The music is very progressive, the people are talking about progressive things we're doing food not bombs are doing rock against racism.



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Hong Lieu: But then, every, every show you go to, there's like three skinheads in the corner, trying to start five fights with everybody. There's that contrast that is just like



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Hong Lieu: What is going on here. And that's why, that's why I asked you, as, as a woman, because all the women, I would say, punk shows



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Hong Lieu: They had these like the Solon faces because they had to have that or have don't mess with me if you can look at me the wrong way. I'm going to glass you over the top of the head.



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Hong Lieu: They had to be like



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Hong Lieu: They had to be tougher than everybody in the building because because like because these these jock, you know, masculine dumb, you know, dumb heads, just like they're just



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Roxane Byrne: Starting stuff and it definitely got to be ready to fight. I mean,



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Roxane Byrne: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, because



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Roxane Byrne: It is only way you could hold your ground in those settings. And then in the San Gabriel Valley area that I was that I was in, which was, I think, more, more East than you were, you were



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Roxane Byrne: Right, the skin had seen was real.



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Roxane Byrne: It was huge. And so we had both. I mean, one of my best friends was a an anti racist skinheads right and don't know



00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.430

Roxane Byrne: So let me go against racial prejudice.



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Roxane Byrne: Yeah. A lot of people don't know about that, you know, the evolution of sort of skinhead Ness and where where it originated. And so the sharps were kind of like the original, you know, skinheads and Andrew boys and all those



00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:58.770

Roxane Byrne: People and so a lot of my friend group actually was what you know what you would identify just looking at as skinheads. It was a lot of a lot of my friends.



00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:05.940

Roxane Byrne: But then, because with any. The only reason that sharps had to exist is because there was also a very, very, very real presence of



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Roxane Byrne: White supremacist skinheads as well and and we were you know those those groups are intermingling all the time in different ways and fighting and whatever. So



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Hong Lieu: Yeah, that's where, that's where I was like man I got I got I tried to stay off the gamepad and I'm in here and it's just a bunch of gangs. Anyway, it's like skins.



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Hong Lieu: sharps, you had, you know, the, the, the mods that the metal kids. Then when hip hop started then hip hop and punk started having this thing and then all this stuff. It was



00:36:30.180 --> 00:36:39.120

Hong Lieu: It just, it was just funny to me that there was no way to get away from it and then you know when I went to college, went to St. Louis, and it was like my first kind of really kind of full exposure to like



00:36:39.660 --> 00:36:46.020

Hong Lieu: White people party like you know college calls, that kind of thing where someone passed out and they got they got written all over and I was looking people like



00:36:46.980 --> 00:36:56.040

Hong Lieu:  that just doesn't happen. You know, like this is okay, this is a, you know, like that's a different conversation.



00:36:57.210 --> 00:37:04.920

Hong Lieu: Man Like, like it was just interesting but it but it but that that scene that culture was really not. You know, like it was it was cool.



00:37:05.550 --> 00:37:12.330

Akil Hill: Also also you bring up a good point. Right. So I'm just kind of reflecting a little bit on your story about how



00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:14.280

Akil Hill: You know,



00:37:15.540 --> 00:37:24.780

Akil Hill: I'm a big believer and I'm a big traveler and I'm a big believer how certain places back in people to be there. And so, despite all the



00:37:25.230 --> 00:37:31.050

Akil Hill: Against All Odds are, despite what people go through certain places will back in YouTube actually be there.



00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:38.700

Akil Hill: And and there's numerous proofs of people not ever thinking they would ever end up in a location, but they end up in that spot.



00:37:39.060 --> 00:37:46.440

Akil Hill: And and and and it goes both ways, right. So, good or bad, but it's really interesting just to hear how a person can



00:37:47.040 --> 00:37:55.110

Akil Hill: Perspective can completely changed or the reality can completely change based upon a location like you so caught up in a specific thing.



00:37:55.560 --> 00:38:00.180

Akil Hill: And, you know, came and imagine like a lot of people from the inner city. You can't even imagine the ocean.



00:38:00.510 --> 00:38:08.310

Akil Hill: And they could be living dead. It's like only a few miles away from the ocean, but you take that person out of that environment, put them in something completely different.



00:38:08.550 --> 00:38:16.860

Akil Hill: And then all sudden the reality has completely changed or something shifted that person and so that that's super like a Mayra bond commendable. You know what I mean.



00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:29.190

Hong Lieu: And that and that is a message for kids, you know, like the kids that are up in these these sets on this one block in the city like your life is big buttons blocking life is bigger than the city life is big in this county like



00:38:29.490 --> 00:38:37.950

Hong Lieu: You got to get out and see see the way things are in other parts of the world. You gotta, you gotta just get more more experience you know like the experience you have is vital, is very important.



00:38:38.160 --> 00:38:45.390

Hong Lieu: But you have to understand that the lived experience people in this world. I mean, it's so diverse 66 billion almost 7 billion, you know, so



00:38:45.690 --> 00:38:56.430

Hong Lieu: That you got to really expose yourself to all these kinds of things before you're so ready to die for whatever you think you're ready to die for, you know, or whatever it whatever else is going on. Like that's that's very, very big message Akila absolutely



00:38:56.820 --> 00:39:11.190

Akil Hill: Yeah, or you have to try to seek out the people who have access to that. Right. And a lot of it has to do and Roxanne and I talked about a lot, a lot of this and often about how people just don't have access to traveling and seeing



00:39:13.050 --> 00:39:27.330

Akil Hill: Things in a different through a different lens and and that's a part of white supremacy, right, just to keep people in their day to day grind in the hustle and and so that there's not another opportunity to actually kind of reflect so



00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.380

Akil Hill: Let's bring let's bring Mr.



00:39:32.700 --> 00:39:36.210

Akil Hill: Dr. Mr. Dante Newman.



00:39:40.650 --> 00:39:50.880

Donte Newman: I was waiting for you all to ask, like, you know, growing up in Houston, Texas. We had a major punk rock scene and I just remember as a kid, you know, being what is it a punk punk rocker



00:40:07.080 --> 00:40:08.100

Donte Newman: Imagine that this is like a



00:40:08.100 --> 00:40:09.960

Donte Newman: very offensive term. I apologize.



00:40:12.330 --> 00:40:15.090

Donte Newman: No, I, you know, it's so interesting, listening to your



00:40:15.090 --> 00:40:18.180

Hong Lieu: Talk about like the punk rock scene because, like, for me, like,



00:40:18.600 --> 00:40:19.710

Donte Newman: That is so



00:40:21.150 --> 00:40:26.070

Donte Newman: Can use that word. I was gonna say form. But then again, that see that press. There's a better term to use



00:40:26.070 --> 00:40:26.580

Hong Lieu: In foreign



00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:32.070

Donte Newman: Well, you know, that is so it is something that I'm not used to because I growing up. I grew up in a



00:40:33.060 --> 00:40:41.910

Donte Newman: Not that black people aren't you know can be punters but where I grew up. There was a predominantly black neighborhood that was like really immersed in hip hop culture.



00:40:42.300 --> 00:40:55.140

Donte Newman: And so I remember growing up, we would say, you know, if you listen to anything other than hip hop, then you are not black. In fact, you are perhaps why right we, you know, honestly, we didn't even



00:40:55.890 --> 00:41:05.010

Donte Newman: Asian wasn't even in our ratio discourse, like for I've never heard you know I don't recall at least someone saying like, hey, that's what Asian people do.



00:41:05.460 --> 00:41:13.920

Donte Newman: Right, because of the way white supremacy have taught us to think about race, especially as a kid. Everything was black and white. And then you grow up, and then you start learning, like, oh, wait a minute.



00:41:14.910 --> 00:41:22.590

Donte Newman: You know, there are other racial groups, but that's how we were really thinking about about race back you know we were kids. And so



00:41:23.310 --> 00:41:27.780

Donte Newman: Like the first hip hop artists that I was introduced to was ludicrous.



00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:39.000

Donte Newman: Right. I remember he was like my first favorite rapper. But before him, I was like, really big, you know, Michael Jackson prints, you know, growing up in you know like you know the



00:41:39.600 --> 00:41:47.070

Donte Newman: The Motown artists, you know, and I was really interested in that because my mother is, you know, had me when she was a bit older, so



00:41:48.180 --> 00:41:59.970

Donte Newman: But back in the day was all about you know ludicrous and nearly, you know, hadn't hear all of those guys who made those early 2000 hits



00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:12.510

Donte Newman: You know, we played those guys we idolize them. We wanted to be like them dress like them, you know, wearing the band aids underneath our eyes because you know that's what he was doing wearing the baggy clothes like we were



00:42:13.020 --> 00:42:20.040

Donte Newman: fully immersed in hip hop culture and like with respect to like the



00:42:21.090 --> 00:42:36.630

Donte Newman: Like there being some type of connection between like games and in hip hop. You know, I think when I was a kid I don't recall, like we we had gangs, but they were Bloods and Crips, like where I grew up. It was either you were a blood



00:42:37.650 --> 00:42:47.640

Donte Newman: Or you were correct. And in my community. You have to choose similar to like you all like is either like Kong stated, like is it a punk or a punk rocker



00:42:48.120 --> 00:43:06.450

Donte Newman: Or you involved in this gang. And I remember like I still can't believe I was able to escape it. You know, it's so wild to think that I was able, I mean, I'm telling you, like, while thinking about, like, I saw so many people get, you know, jumped in. This process is called being jumped in. Right.



00:43:06.660 --> 00:43:12.120

Donte Newman: And that's when you your initiation process and other thing I could be totally wrong. But I remember like



00:43:12.690 --> 00:43:21.870

Donte Newman: You know, being a kid. If you want it to join the Bloods and the Crips, you have to go through this process of like fighting like six or seven of their group members for like



00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:30.480

Donte Newman: 52 seconds or some type 59 seconds. It was very specific but you literally have to fight like almost everyone in that particular arm.



00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:45.840

Donte Newman: A gang for for us for for a period of time and now remember like it was public like it was like at the parks like it was like, you could just see people getting dumped in and then afterwards, we'll just like, Yo, you're down. Now we just



00:43:46.710 --> 00:43:48.840

Donte Newman: beat the heck out of you, but you're looking at us now.



00:43:50.070 --> 00:43:59.340

Donte Newman: Yeah, I knew that wasn't for me because I was always on the smaller side, you know. And so I think that I was really able to escape some of this stuff because when I was just



00:44:00.090 --> 00:44:09.060

Donte Newman: I just didn't know how to fight. So I just knew that wasn't going to make it in 52 seconds with like sending guys were all bigger than I am and



00:44:09.690 --> 00:44:22.320

Donte Newman: All I wanted to do really was just play basketball in. So I think that's why I was able to get out of it. Because like I was just like, you know, they just knew that I just want to play basketball and they knew that there was no good coming



00:44:23.520 --> 00:44:36.570

Donte Newman: You know, there was nothing I could add to their group like as you know at this time it was like, you know, we need. We were initiating folks because we have beef with this other game. We need you to have our back. Yeah, I'm not sure what I'm going to help you.



00:44:39.240 --> 00:44:39.450

Donte Newman: Yeah.



00:44:41.190 --> 00:44:42.840

Akil Hill: Well that's interesting, too, though, because



00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.260

Akil Hill: I remember growing up to, obviously I'm a lot older than



00:44:46.410 --> 00:44:53.640

Akil Hill: Then you Dante, but if you were the word punk had a ill connotation.



00:44:53.670 --> 00:45:01.500

Akil Hill: Like if you are applying like it was like you were basically like you were like a sucker or you were soft or because cats be like I am.



00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:16.380

Akil Hill: I hook so that I wonder if that correlation is just kind of struck me right now. If there was that whole infusion between the hip hop or rap culture versus the punk culture because your people are like, I know punk, you know,



00:45:16.560 --> 00:45:30.000

Donte Newman: Yeah, yeah. I mean, and again to, like, you know, growing up, look. See, when I hear the word punk like that word was definitely reserved for someone was soft but if we're keeping it real. We know to that it was reserved for for men who like men.



00:45:30.540 --> 00:45:37.740

Donte Newman: Right. Like, that's the way that it was us where I grew up. It was like, you're only a punk, have you



00:45:38.220 --> 00:45:47.940

Donte Newman: Ever, ever man likes another man. They used to call them punks. Back in the day, and that so for me I struggle even saying the word punk because now it feels so offensive. Now that I know like



00:45:48.180 --> 00:46:00.930

Donte Newman: No seriously, it really feels offensive. Now, like I'm thinking about, like, yo, but back in the day, like if I did something that people might consider like outside of the boundaries of like a heterosexual man, then they would call me a park.



00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:14.760

Donte Newman: Right it so it feels weird, you know, even saying the term because even though it may mean something different to you all. But for me, now I'm using it still feels like yo, I can be cancelled, right, because it feels like I shouldn't



00:46:14.850 --> 00:46:16.350

Akil Hill: Really lawyer. Yeah.



00:46:16.410 --> 00:46:16.590

Donte Newman: Like



00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:17.670

Akil Hill: I didn't even know that.



00:46:17.730 --> 00:46:18.960

Roxane Byrne: Day and I've never heard that.



00:46:19.350 --> 00:46:20.250

Akil Hill: I heard that either.



00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:20.610

Akil Hill: Have you



00:46:21.990 --> 00:46:23.400

Akil Hill: Heard that. Oh, I know.



00:46:23.430 --> 00:46:24.510

Akil Hill: I mean, we missed it.



00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:30.330

Hong Lieu: But see slang is regional to because in LA. Someone challenged you to fight you back down the bankers to give you the term.



00:46:32.160 --> 00:46:32.490

Akil Hill: Mark



00:46:33.030 --> 00:46:33.510

Hong Lieu: Mark and



00:46:34.050 --> 00:46:34.290

Roxane Byrne: Like



00:46:34.350 --> 00:46:35.430

Hong Lieu: A grip for a bunch of stuff.



00:46:35.430 --> 00:46:37.410

Hong Lieu: So sign his thing is just regional you know that



00:46:37.410 --> 00:46:48.120

Hong Lieu: Yeah, but I black and, you know, it wasn't easy. Yeah. You say you're a punk or you say you, you know, you put yourself in a box like I am not a threat. Please do not escalate this interaction. Further, you know, I didn't



00:46:48.510 --> 00:46:56.400

Hong Lieu: Attack. I said, I'm a punk, by law, you know, by St law, you must allow me to pass and put my head down and be sad about it. You know, like that kind of thing.



00:46:56.640 --> 00:47:08.460

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, and I think what we're taught like the punk rock scene. We're talking about and I would never have actually call myself a punk rocker back in the day, because you know it's like two new ones for for most people, but I was part of like the death rock.



00:47:08.790 --> 00:47:24.540

Roxane Byrne: You know goth 90s scene which is very different than what it is today. But that was again super intermingled with punk rock so I listen to a lot of punk. A lot of death rock, a lot of, you know, and that was my community, but I think, you know, part of the, the real like visible visible representation



00:47:25.560 --> 00:47:34.620

Roxane Byrne: Fashion representation that people in those scenes have, like, you know, you probably didn't have ever have to tell anybody that you were a punk rocker. It was visible about your



00:47:34.620 --> 00:47:49.620

Roxane Byrne: Outward Appearance and so that gives you this layer of protection and so like in my case, I think a lot of times I've like kind of deconstructed back a lot for me being a part of that scene for me was a total rejection of



00:47:50.520 --> 00:47:59.460

Roxane Byrne: Sort of the I think like white superiority in in the school that I went to my school was super racially divided my both



00:48:00.660 --> 00:48:02.280

Roxane Byrne: Junior High and and



00:48:03.450 --> 00:48:11.550

Roxane Byrne: High School, you know, where we had like a race riot and there was just like a lot of stuff going on you know and and for me.



00:48:12.030 --> 00:48:22.200

Roxane Byrne: Choosing to dress and look a certain way in junior high, which is when it sort of started for me was a complete rejection of you don't accept me well I don't accept you.



00:48:22.620 --> 00:48:30.480

Roxane Byrne: And and now that I am able to look back and go, that's what I was doing. Then I was saying you can't reject me I have rejected all of you and your culture.



00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.430

Roxane Byrne: And that is happening through my



00:48:32.460 --> 00:48:40.200

Roxane Byrne: Explicitly through my dress and then then for me. It actually started first through clothes and then became music which were a lot of people's music first right



00:48:40.470 --> 00:48:43.710

Roxane Byrne: But I was I was doing this external sort of



00:48:44.130 --> 00:48:48.420

Roxane Byrne: Rejection of the culture that was really dominant in my, in my environment.



00:48:49.890 --> 00:48:52.110

Roxane Byrne: Because I was rejected from right I was



00:48:52.470 --> 00:48:57.120

Roxane Byrne: Not a part of this. And so it was like Oh actually no, you don't get to tell me that I'm going to tell you that, you know,



00:48:58.020 --> 00:48:59.190

Donte Newman: Fighting all your life.



00:48:59.190 --> 00:48:59.610

Hong Lieu: Rocks in



00:49:00.030 --> 00:49:03.510

Akil Hill: reverse psychology reverse psychology, I see it. I see it.



00:49:03.540 --> 00:49:05.970

Roxane Byrne: Didn't know I was doing that until years later, you



00:49:06.930 --> 00:49:14.040

Hong Lieu: Know that's real low and that stigma, you know, with the black comedians and punk rock and skating. I mean, it really hasn't



00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:20.640

Hong Lieu: Only come down with in the last like 1015 years. I feel like odd future was a big part of making it okay to you know to be



00:49:20.970 --> 00:49:28.380

Hong Lieu: To be to be black and and be really being a skating, or really be into kind of like, you know, harder music. I mean, the mosh pits started with hip hop shows



00:49:28.620 --> 00:49:31.950

Hong Lieu: Mostly from odd future, you know, kind of introducing that and then it kind of



00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:44.340

Hong Lieu: spoke a little bit from there. So it's, it's a relatively new thing in terms of the culture. So it took a long time to kind of break those walls down you need guys like cream Campbell to really kind of like, hold it down skating and this and that. So, so, yeah, absolutely.



00:49:44.490 --> 00:49:52.770

Donte Newman: Yeah, I, you know, it's so interesting because I can never really put two and two together. I think that's a really interesting connection, though, like



00:49:53.220 --> 00:50:06.900

Donte Newman: Maybe perhaps individuals who were cultured in hip hop a sort of not interested in really, you know, exploring punk rock because of the negative term that punk holds in certain communities.



00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:14.190

Donte Newman: You know, that is that is genius and like it is just so it's so interesting how we talk about like language because



00:50:14.610 --> 00:50:25.470

Donte Newman: Because I think community, you know, we always we often say that communication is the heartbeat of culture right and so communication and language can give rise to culture and and I'm just thinking like



00:50:26.640 --> 00:50:37.320

Donte Newman: Your I'm really thinking about this now. I'm like, because of my association with the word punk. I'm like, man, I'm know somebody's going to read this, they're going to hear this. I'm gonna be like, yo, get this guy.



00:50:37.350 --> 00:50:38.520

Donte Newman: Out of here, he



00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:52.080

Donte Newman: Yo, but I'm serious. Like seriously if you listen to, like, some early if you listen to hip hop like in the early 2000s. Watch how they use the term punk is not the way that you always using it is reserved as a slur.



00:50:52.530 --> 00:50:54.150

Donte Newman: Right it. Yes.



00:50:54.420 --> 00:50:59.520

Hong Lieu: And that musical split was very strong at that point, I feel like in this world. Today we are much less bound to genre.



00:50:59.730 --> 00:51:06.330

Hong Lieu: Like it really was in high school. You like the punk the punk kids that together, the guy. I mean, I got the punk be a god you know I can. You're putting Roxanne like



00:51:06.540 --> 00:51:15.300

Hong Lieu: I knew girlfriends and they were they, they kind of show me punk rock music so I can definitely see that that strain there, but the Goths that together the industrial kids listen a nice name.



00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:21.300

Hong Lieu: The aren't r&b folks didn't really sit with hip hop, folks, you know that much. Wow, it's, it's much more



00:51:21.660 --> 00:51:33.120

Hong Lieu: There's much more of a blend and kids, they don't even care about that stuff. If it sounds good, it sounds good, and they'll put a tick tock. You know, so, so I feel like we've made a lot of progress in that in that respect. Now we just have to kind of wrap that around and take it.



00:51:33.120 --> 00:51:39.150

Hong Lieu: Right to the human experience but but for you. Dante the Houston. See, you know, with DJ screw and



00:51:39.210 --> 00:51:39.660

Donte Newman: Of course,



00:51:40.140 --> 00:51:40.680

Hong Lieu: Okay, okay.



00:51:40.770 --> 00:51:41.010




00:51:42.690 --> 00:51:44.220

Donte Newman: Yeah, of course I grew up that



00:51:46.890 --> 00:51:47.430

Hong Lieu: Little flip



00:51:47.610 --> 00:51:51.270

Donte Newman: Flip. Come on, how can you love you know kiki and



00:51:52.350 --> 00:51:58.980

Donte Newman: You know, little kooky all. I mean, like all of those guys fat pad, you know, slim even firewall millionaire.



00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.650

Donte Newman: Like, like, that was my error. Yeah.



00:52:02.040 --> 00:52:04.620

Hong Lieu: Cuz, cuz that's the didn't leak out to me to a lot later like I



00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:09.870

Hong Lieu: Had to get like catch up because I was in the hip hop, but I was into like the East Coast underground. Thanks again.



00:52:10.140 --> 00:52:16.710

Hong Lieu: To get when you know when I got plugged into that different sound that was coming out, you know, coming out of South and Houston, in particular, especially with the chopped and screwed stuff because that



00:52:16.740 --> 00:52:16.980

Donte Newman: Oh,



00:52:17.010 --> 00:52:18.600

Hong Lieu: That's like, that's like dub, like, you know,



00:52:19.680 --> 00:52:29.310

Hong Lieu: closely intertwined. So listen, early dub reels and stuff where they're really playing with the facts and someone like DJ screw basically doing the same thing. Just, just, you know, bring slowing it down and a couple sex on the top and



00:52:29.310 --> 00:52:30.930

Hong Lieu: Everybody. Yeah.



00:52:31.080 --> 00:52:32.070

Donte Newman: Yeah, I know it's



00:52:32.100 --> 00:52:32.790

Donte Newman: It's so



00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:49.680

Donte Newman: It's major in Houston and that influenced a lot of coaching fact like I think it became mainstream for some time. I believe around 2005 2000 maybe about 2003 2005 somewhere around there. I think, you know, yeah. Paul wall, who did a song with Kanye West.



00:52:49.740 --> 00:52:50.490

Hong Lieu: Drive slow



00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:51.810

Hong Lieu: Slow drives



00:52:52.020 --> 00:52:55.140

Donte Newman: Registration flow, homie. You never know, homie.



00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:56.670

Donte Newman: You can pump the brakes and



00:52:57.570 --> 00:52:58.320

Donte Newman: Now he



00:52:58.620 --> 00:52:59.520

Donte Newman: That yeah



00:52:59.580 --> 00:53:05.190

Hong Lieu: And that's, that's like one of the out definitely one of the highlights off that out the diamonds are forever remakes, would you



00:53:05.700 --> 00:53:07.230

Hong Lieu: Know, but but yeah



00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:11.640

Donte Newman: I got it from here. Yay. Name is mine. I take, you know,



00:53:12.090 --> 00:53:13.080

Hong Lieu: Take blame for that. Yeah.



00:53:13.530 --> 00:53:14.220

Hong Lieu: The shot at day



00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:16.380

Hong Lieu: Yep. Yeah.



00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.330

Donte Newman: Pressures on. Guess who ain't going



00:53:19.530 --> 00:53:20.040

Donte Newman: To laugh.



00:53:23.010 --> 00:53:24.120

Akil Hill: Coming through to rain.



00:53:25.980 --> 00:53:27.000

Akil Hill: Afraid right now because



00:53:27.390 --> 00:53:32.970

Akil Hill: We still don't know how did you end up at SP CC



00:53:33.150 --> 00:53:34.830

Donte Newman: Oh, I was ready to do some



00:53:39.330 --> 00:53:40.380

Donte Newman: Walk on Water



00:53:42.600 --> 00:53:43.470

Donte Newman: Nothing to me.



00:53:43.680 --> 00:53:57.090

Donte Newman: Difficult takes a day impossible takes a week. We can do this in my sleep. He said, I so kilos and coke. I guess I can sell CDs. I'm not a businessman. I'm a business man.



00:53:57.180 --> 00:54:01.560

Donte Newman: So let me handle my business. Then, come on.



00:54:02.520 --> 00:54:09.000

Donte Newman: Yo, yo. Come on, man. Jay Z is a goat. All right. He's the greatest of all time, but that's



00:54:09.240 --> 00:54:15.030

Hong Lieu: Him and him putting you GK on Big Pimpin is probably one of these is that Houston blue, the way it did.



00:54:15.210 --> 00:54:15.450




00:54:16.650 --> 00:54:18.750

Hong Lieu: Besides, you know, ghetto boys and all that of



00:54:18.750 --> 00:54:19.470

Donte Newman: Course, right.



00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:20.970

Hong Lieu: Right. You don't mind playing



00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:25.800

Donte Newman: tricks on me and I was like early 90s. Right. Um, but yeah so



00:54:26.130 --> 00:54:27.270

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, our area.



00:54:27.330 --> 00:54:27.600

Roxane Byrne: That was



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Donte Newman: Yeah, that was definitely that's



00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:31.620

Donte Newman: Released before I was born.



00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:40.920

Donte Newman: So, but, yeah, so we had that scar face and all that good stuff to you know people consider him to be one of the greatest lyricists of all time.



00:54:41.220 --> 00:54:47.940

Donte Newman: Absolutely. So, you know, I grew up in that culture. So I grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood and I hate these were predominantly because



00:54:48.270 --> 00:54:58.140

Donte Newman: You know, people always talk about how Houston is, you know, racially diverse, but it's very racially segregated. And so my community was like really entirely black



00:54:58.650 --> 00:55:11.640

Donte Newman: Like the area, the bubble that I was in was entirely black and I know will kill you, you sort of mentioned this, but literally like around the corner. That wasn't entirely Latinx community, but we never had cross racial



00:55:12.300 --> 00:55:22.710

Donte Newman: Communication right like it was just like, Yo, you know that even though we share the same zip code literally we share the same space. But there is a particular



00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:32.520

Donte Newman: Sort of area that I must say in because I'm black, in a particular area that you must be in because you identify as Latinx right and like, that's how I grew up and we



00:55:32.910 --> 00:55:44.250

Donte Newman: I don't ever recall seeing white people or Asian people in my, in my environment, simply because I my mind probably was even trained to see it. Like seriously, like I like it when we were growing. It was like



00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:54.990

Donte Newman: Liz. I'm telling you, it was so when I think about how I grew up, it was just like, yo, the way it was wasn't the way it had to be, um, and, you know, so



00:55:55.470 --> 00:56:06.810

Donte Newman: So I stay, you know, in Houston, Texas, until I was 22 end up like similar to Roxanne's story didn't do really well in school. I attended summer school. Pretty much every year of my life because I did not pass classes.



00:56:07.230 --> 00:56:17.670

Donte Newman: You know, I was not applying myself. I got to high school and couldn't pass the state administered math exam. So I had to drop out. I took it four times you get you get five times to take it or something like that.



00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:23.400

Donte Newman: And if you fill out the fifth time that you have to repeat your senior year, I said, I'm not going to do that.



00:56:23.730 --> 00:56:26.490

Akil Hill: So I just dropped. I took his



00:56:28.620 --> 00:56:34.020

Donte Newman: Yeah, I was like, nah, not because I have a twin sister, y'all. So my twin sister was just like excelling academically.



00:56:34.410 --> 00:56:45.720

Donte Newman: And so like if she's graduating it you know the night to make sure that I'm graduating as well because you don't want to be looked at as the one right like it's all you know my mother is always them boys. Oh boy, oh you



00:56:46.470 --> 00:56:47.700

Akil Hill: Need to talk. It's all yeah



00:56:48.240 --> 00:56:50.430

Hong Lieu: I'm the one in my family. I can definitely confirm



00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:59.670

Donte Newman: Yeah, the one. Yeah. So I was, I was on track to being the one like I was on track. And so I was like, nah. So instead of trying to take it from the fifth time



00:57:00.120 --> 00:57:08.520

Donte Newman: I ended up just dropping out of high school, and I still don't know what kind of degree. I got to this day, it's, I don't know what kind of diploma, it is but



00:57:09.090 --> 00:57:13.110

Donte Newman: You know, it got me accepted into a university and all I know is like I



00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:21.780

Donte Newman: Yeah, I got accepted into a university with a 2.1 GPA, but in Texas. I believe you needed a 2.5 GPA to get like



00:57:22.140 --> 00:57:29.250

Donte Newman: full acceptance. At that time, you need to at least a 2.5 to be accepted into any university and because of the the the misperception



00:57:30.150 --> 00:57:32.580

Donte Newman: I think my family had about community colleges.



00:57:33.420 --> 00:57:42.600

Donte Newman: I was all like I couldn't go to a community college it was like know community colleges is for people who are failures and even though I was perhaps on my track to be viewed as a failure.



00:57:42.990 --> 00:57:49.710

Donte Newman: It was still a stigma around going to community college. So I was like, I cannot go to a community college, I need to go to a university.



00:57:50.010 --> 00:58:00.600

Donte Newman: So I ended up enrolling into like these sort of preparatory program at Texas Southern University and I had to pass some type of you know exams and all of that stuff. So I did it. So I was



00:58:00.990 --> 00:58:12.810

Donte Newman: I got accepted. Now obviously my views have changed about community colleges over the time in my family's as well. But at that time, we just had a negative, sort of, you know, perception of community colleges.



00:58:14.220 --> 00:58:22.920

Donte Newman: And so I end up going to Texas Southern University, which is a historically black University in Houston, Texas. And so I everybody. I mean, you know,



00:58:23.340 --> 00:58:33.540

Donte Newman: It's just predominantly black again. And so again, I grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood attended predominantly black schools and now I'm at a predominantly black, you know, university.



00:58:33.930 --> 00:58:44.970

Donte Newman: And so I'm there for four years and I graduated in 2013 and so I was trying my very best to stay in Houston, because like I didn't want to leave.



00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:48.300

Donte Newman: But I couldn't find a job. And so I ended up getting accepted into a



00:58:49.260 --> 00:59:03.360

Donte Newman: Master's program at university at Albany, which is largely white in the school is predominantly white. So here I am, I'm 22 years old, for the first time in my life I'm fraternizing with white folk your fraternizing with the white folks. And not only that,



00:59:04.410 --> 00:59:08.550

Donte Newman: My program my communication program was actually predominantly



00:59:09.600 --> 00:59:19.200

Donte Newman: Asian right it was my program was predominantly Asian we had people from it was China and Japan, China, Japan and South Korea.



00:59:20.070 --> 00:59:20.520

Roxane Byrne: And so



00:59:21.030 --> 00:59:21.900

Donte Newman: Yeah, right. So,



00:59:21.930 --> 00:59:22.620

Donte Newman: China China.



00:59:23.130 --> 00:59:30.750

Donte Newman: South Korea. And so, you know, literally my program was brilliant. And I have so many pictures from that time and people look at life like wait



00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:50.010

Donte Newman: You know, if you look at my my social network, it was just like one white guy one black girl one black guy and then arrest you know to black girls actually in the rest were people from Asia, and it was, it was really cool because that in my after I graduated that inspired me.



00:59:51.090 --> 00:59:57.540

Donte Newman: To feel inspired me to go to China to live in and teach in China for a year, because I feel comfortable. They were like really encouraging me like



00:59:57.750 --> 01:00:05.730

Donte Newman: You should teach English in Japan through this, I think, was like the jet program or something like that or you should, you know, teach English in China and I end up settling with China.



01:00:06.450 --> 01:00:15.240

Donte Newman: But I would have never done to have had been exposed to people from China. Like, seriously. Like I would have never like known that that was even possible. I didn't know was possible like



01:00:15.570 --> 01:00:24.300

Donte Newman: They was really like, Yo, you should do it, you will be a great English teacher. They're like, I'm telling you, you should go to this, you know, to this teaching this



01:00:25.530 --> 01:00:36.210

Donte Newman: This part of China because, you know, this is where I'm from. And I remember just having conversations about like, you know, no don't go to Beijing. No, no, no. Don't go to Shanghai. No, no, no, no. You should go to. You should go here and



01:00:36.690 --> 01:00:41.490

Donte Newman: I anyway, that was a really good time. But, and that's honestly nothing about like diversity is so important.



01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:50.370

Donte Newman: You know what I'm saying, like is so important. So I did that, I was there for a year end up graduate graduating, I end up thinking like, okay, this is the best time



01:00:51.090 --> 01:01:02.640

Donte Newman: I've had in so long. But I knew that I couldn't stay there forever because I saw how easy it was for people to not, I don't want to say get stuck there, but I was there with a lot of people who I knew had



01:01:03.450 --> 01:01:08.880

Donte Newman: Goes beyond being a teacher in China, but it was so much fun. I'm telling you the best time of my life.



01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:14.850

Donte Newman: It was so much fun. I mean we traveled all over Southeast Asia. And people were like, hey, I'm only here for a year.



01:01:15.810 --> 01:01:23.760

Donte Newman: Yeah, I'm going to extend my contract. But I also want to go back and get a masters degree. But yeah, but this is too much fun. And so I knew that I was like, nah.



01:01:24.270 --> 01:01:30.600

Donte Newman: I don't want to stay because I knew I had a goal of getting a PhD. So ended up getting accepted into like a couple of universities.



01:01:31.020 --> 01:01:43.080

Donte Newman: And ended up settling with American University in DC, because it was a three year program. The other programs were like five years. I mean, I don't wanna. I don't want to spend five years of my life trying to get a PhD. So I ended up doing it for three



01:01:43.980 --> 01:01:52.590

Donte Newman: Three years you I'm telling you, it's so while I'm telling you I so Wow, so you know this. I'm I'm wrapping this up. I'm talking fast. So then I am going to American University.



01:01:53.160 --> 01:02:05.490

Donte Newman: In Washington, DC on this accelerated program and I graduated 2019 and you know I had always started by new at this time. Now my perspective of community colleges has shifted



01:02:05.970 --> 01:02:11.940

Donte Newman: Right, and so I was like either either want to teach at a community college or historically black University.



01:02:12.540 --> 01:02:22.080

Donte Newman: And one thing that many people don't know is that I actually had a in offer from a historically black university but I decided to come the NSPCC



01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:29.730

Donte Newman: Over the over the the HBC you and you know I don't regret that decision. I think I made a great decision.



01:02:30.510 --> 01:02:42.990

Donte Newman: Because you know when I got to SBC during my interviews I ran into some black students and they were like, Yo, you know, don't say we really need you to come here. Like, and this was at a time. You know, I don't want to



01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:48.480

Donte Newman: You know, some folks that perhaps you know use the N word. And so, you know, the school was in the newspaper.



01:02:48.780 --> 01:02:57.720

Donte Newman: An awful lot, and I was reading about this stuff and most, most people, they would say. Nah, I'm not. Yeah, I'm just going to steer clear, but the students were like, yo, we really need you to come here.



01:02:58.020 --> 01:03:10.770

Donte Newman: We don't really have any black faculty members at this school in, we really don't right there are only seven black faculty members at this school, right, only seven only seven black faculty



01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:12.270

Hong Lieu: Is that, is that tenure track your



01:03:12.690 --> 01:03:13.350

Donte Newman: Tenure know



01:03:13.590 --> 01:03:22.470

Donte Newman: Okay, we have more adjuncts but like we have more adjuncts black adjuncts right. I think we have like maybe nine, I believe, last time I look actually have the data because



01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:29.550

Donte Newman: I've been studying it. Um, but we don't have many full time tenure track black faculty members on our campus.



01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:39.660

Donte Newman: And so I said, Wow, this is really where I needed, even though I really want it to go to the HBC you I really wanted to go to the HBC you



01:03:40.170 --> 01:03:46.110

Donte Newman: But I was like this is where I'm needed and so that you know my what I talked about this with my wife or like



01:03:46.980 --> 01:03:52.650

Donte Newman: You know, just go to SPC. It's where you need it is where you can do the most work.



01:03:53.070 --> 01:04:05.370

Donte Newman: And you can make more you can make change happen there. So as I ended up at SPC, and I honestly I don't regret it. You know, I really don't want the last thing I'll say, and I'm talking, but one of the reason why I really don't regret it is because



01:04:06.750 --> 01:04:16.230

Donte Newman: I was, you know, once I got here. I was embraced by people like a keel. I thought there was something wrong with the kid when I first when I first got here like the



01:04:16.230 --> 01:04:20.550

Donte Newman: First two weeks I was really, you know, I really thought yo kill



01:04:20.610 --> 01:04:21.540

Because I already



01:04:22.590 --> 01:04:23.280

Donte Newman: Tell you why.



01:04:23.640 --> 01:04:29.520

Donte Newman: Because like a kill, kill, like he would text me and my thought was some room because he was like, you know, always but



01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:41.700

Donte Newman: Because he would like you to text me and I'm like yo. Why, man. Why he texted me and calling me, you know, but he was really trying to check in on me to make sure he was like, Yo, and so when I finally went to go talk to him, I was like, oh,



01:04:42.300 --> 01:04:52.020

Donte Newman: This guy is really trying to, like, make sure I have a community. You know how it is when you first meet someone and then they text me but he would add, so I thought it was like, oh, this is the socially awkward guy who just wants to



01:04:53.580 --> 01:04:57.990

Donte Newman: I really thought that at first, not bad at kill but they got to know you. I was like, so funny.



01:04:58.530 --> 01:05:00.030

Akil Hill: Is that why is that why would anybody



01:05:00.060 --> 01:05:03.630

Akil Hill: When I was like, Yo, come over come over just guys like I'm busy this weekend.



01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:05.250

Donte Newman: Yeah, I'm be honest, that's why.



01:05:06.660 --> 01:05:16.080

Donte Newman: Yeah, but then also to I moved here, you know. But yeah, because I didn't because like when I got here. I was like, I know how when you move somewhere and you don't know folks right and then you're like,



01:05:16.140 --> 01:05:17.430

Donte Newman: Okay, I don't know.



01:05:18.030 --> 01:05:22.500

Donte Newman: What's happening here. Right. And I'm like, I don't, I don't know. I don't know.



01:05:23.130 --> 01:05:30.750

Donte Newman: I don't know if any. I don't know what's going on. So I'm like, and then I went to talk to you in your office that day. You're like a yo. Come, come, chop it up with me.



01:05:31.110 --> 01:05:39.600

Donte Newman: You know, East Campus and then after that day, I was like, Oh man, this man is trying to build community. And so now. So since then, we've been cool it's



01:05:42.420 --> 01:05:45.150

Hong Lieu: Always been cool since then you are also



01:05:47.790 --> 01:05:48.180

Donte Newman: Quite



01:05:48.780 --> 01:05:51.000

Donte Newman: Honestly, I didn't know. I didn't



01:05:51.060 --> 01:05:55.770

Donte Newman: I'm sorry. I know that's kind of sounds. Wow. But do you understand it from my perspective, a little bit.



01:05:56.670 --> 01:06:06.150

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, I mean, well, not the awkward part because I don't think I've ever experienced a killer awkward, but I think, yeah, I could see from your perspective to, like, why is he being so persistent



01:06:06.750 --> 01:06:07.110

Donte Newman: Right.



01:06:07.140 --> 01:06:13.590

Roxane Byrne: Like why is, why is this person like really checking in and and and I know that that's part of, you know, one of the key qualities to is to



01:06:13.590 --> 01:06:19.680

Roxane Byrne: Really just nurture and to in and check in and make sure people have that community and all that stuff. But I think that that



01:06:20.700 --> 01:06:21.390

Donte Newman: I didn't know



01:06:23.040 --> 01:06:32.100

Donte Newman: I didn't know because I had never met someone like a kill before because you know why because I'm so used to everyone is black, where I'm where I'm from.



01:06:32.340 --> 01:06:42.480

Donte Newman: So there is no need to say, hey, man, let's hang out because it's just like we're already building a community of like, so it's just like we're already connected everyone's connected and so



01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:46.920

Donte Newman: When I got here, I learned really quickly that a kill this someone who is



01:06:47.460 --> 01:06:52.020

Donte Newman: Sort of like the guy who is a she's like an usher everyone, everyone is going to



01:06:52.260 --> 01:07:05.280

Donte Newman: When you were black. You're going to know where where to sit. You're going to know because I killed is moving everyone into a place where everyone is together. And so I didn't know that that was a kills role at first, like I don't even know if you consider that your role and kale, but



01:07:05.580 --> 01:07:06.180

Akil Hill: No, no.



01:07:06.540 --> 01:07:10.500

Donte Newman: Not at all. Yeah, but, but I'm telling you, you really bring everyone together.



01:07:10.980 --> 01:07:11.880

Akil Hill: So it's been no



01:07:11.970 --> 01:07:25.410

Donte Newman: So, so I didn't, I didn't know that that was that's what you were doing and trying to get to know me and make sure that I was comfortable like you were like, hey, maybe where you get your hair cut, uh, you know, just all these different things. I'm like, Okay. Now it makes sense.



01:07:26.670 --> 01:07:29.220

Donte Newman: So yeah, sorry I kill



01:07:29.490 --> 01:07:32.070

Akil Hill: That's all good, it's all good. It's all good.



01:07:32.130 --> 01:07:33.360

Hong Lieu: My question.



01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:35.550

Hong Lieu: You're from Houston.



01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:37.260

Hong Lieu: Yeah, you're a Mavericks fan.



01:07:37.560 --> 01:07:42.120

Hong Lieu: I'm a Mavericks fan, how, how did that happen. That's like, that's like five hours away right i mean



01:07:42.810 --> 01:07:58.650

Donte Newman: Yeah, yeah, you know, Dirk Nowitzki I remember playing. But you remember, like, I don't know if you all remember but uh, you know, was the NBA before NBA NBA ly NBA live Q i know you remember MBA lives that for



01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:07.770

Akil Hill: Full disclosure, I was never a big video game guy, you know, like I played like techno bowl and then after like



01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:21.630

Akil Hill: double dribble, like in the 90s that after that man once they got all complicated. I can afford them. So I just my parents couldn't afford it. I didn't. So I just would play a little bit here and there, but I remember NBA live, but I was never I was never a gamer in that way.



01:08:22.320 --> 01:08:25.650

Donte Newman: Yeah well that's that's sad and unfortunate.



01:08:27.930 --> 01:08:42.660

Donte Newman: Because your MBA MBA live used to go off, man. Like I just remember like playing live. And so to answer your question, it was like I somehow ended up playing with Dirk Nowitzki in the Mavericks, and I just remember like shooting three pointers was



01:08:42.660 --> 01:08:45.300

Donte Newman: Raining three you just do is like



01:08:45.480 --> 01:08:53.310

Donte Newman: seven foot in like I just remember, like, oh, and my cousins, right, my nephews, they couldn't beat me whenever I play with the Mavericks.



01:08:53.640 --> 01:09:00.630

Donte Newman: Rice. I was like, Oh, I'm gonna play with them all the time now. And so that's sort of like translated into like buying his jerseys and like



01:09:01.050 --> 01:09:12.930

Donte Newman: Then I found out he was married to a black woman I'm just like, yo, and then we have the same initials and I'm like yo, it's all didn't like, Yo, this is my guy. And so, you know, I'm so that's how I became a



01:09:12.930 --> 01:09:15.750

Hong Lieu: Matter. So it's not a Mavericks thing. It's more of a dirt thing. Okay.



01:09:15.780 --> 01:09:24.450

Donte Newman: It's a darkening it's a direct thing, but I'm arrived with the Mavericks like no matter what, though, because, like, it's like first love, like, to me, like, but now you know I'm



01:09:26.910 --> 01:09:29.610

Donte Newman: You know, watch the rockets or whatever because it's hometown low



01:09:31.410 --> 01:09:35.010

Hong Lieu: Yeah, that's how I got into hockey was video game. So I definitely, I know where you're coming from.



01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:46.020

Hong Lieu: Yeah, hockey, on the video games, got me into real hockey. And then I started actually playing hockey. So, and you don't want to see the agents out there on rollerblades trying to play street hockey. So it's not a good look what I did. Anyway,



01:09:46.230 --> 01:09:55.620

Donte Newman: Yeah. Gaming is a gateway. That's not really into like boxing like I really love watching boxing matches. Like, I really do. I don't care if it's just like under cards. I just love it.



01:09:55.980 --> 01:09:57.300

Akil Hill: Yeah, I'm a big boxing fan to



01:09:57.600 --> 01:09:58.290

Donte Newman: There we go. Yeah.



01:09:58.470 --> 01:10:00.300

Akil Hill: Your, your boy Aerosmith.



01:10:01.320 --> 01:10:06.570

Donte Newman: Yo, yo, we should do the fight. That's next next month, actually.



01:10:07.620 --> 01:10:10.380

Donte Newman: Mayweather and Paul Logan Paul, I believe.



01:10:13.860 --> 01:10:15.390

Hong Lieu: That that's you.



01:10:15.450 --> 01:10:15.960

Donte Newman: Know,



01:10:15.990 --> 01:10:30.900

Donte Newman: That's that honestly that's going to be entertaining. Again, that's going to be highly entertaining, because you're going to have this white guy newcomer who has absolutely nothing to lose. He's not a boxer. So the things that we're going to see in that ring.



01:10:31.110 --> 01:10:34.410

Hong Lieu: Oh, it's gonna be so. No, no, no, no.



01:10:35.370 --> 01:10:48.330

Hong Lieu: Mayweather is probably the greatest defensive box of his generation and Logan Paul easy. I mean, a local Paul is probably a decent boxer, but even a great Boxer is not touching Mayweather so a decent box you're trying to, yeah.



01:10:48.750 --> 01:10:51.120

Donte Newman: Yeah, I don't know. Roxanne, would you be interested in



01:10:52.350 --> 01:10:52.650

Hong Lieu: Yeah.



01:10:53.310 --> 01:11:05.790

Roxane Byrne: We yeah we are a boxing family over here. So we watch a lot of we watch a lot of boxing and let's watch a lot of MMA something you all don't know about me is I used to run a program called the kickboxer is ultimate training camp.



01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:11.130

Akil Hill: Yes, in the chat should be trying to kick me every now and again



01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:15.480

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, I, I got a good roundhouse you do



01:11:15.540 --> 01:11:16.500

Akil Hill: A do you



01:11:16.530 --> 01:11:26.490

Roxane Byrne: Pretty good, pretty high. I used to target practice my daughter was used to do her homework on the you know the dining table do your homework and she'd have her hair up and a little button and I used to kick her been



01:11:27.750 --> 01:11:29.850

Donte Newman: What. Wow.



01:11:30.450 --> 01:11:36.960

Roxane Byrne: So yeah, it's kind of fun. But yeah, so I enjoy it. I'm not super into it. I knew. It's so funny. I was thinking, okay, here comes the sports conversation.



01:11:37.590 --> 01:11:40.140

Roxane Byrne: Like take a break. Oh good kid a cup of tea or something when you



01:11:40.140 --> 01:11:41.520

Donte Newman: Said the Mavericks. I was like,



01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:47.550

Roxane Byrne: I don't even know what they play then Dante said NBA was like, I think that's basketball.



01:11:48.210 --> 01:11:48.540




01:11:49.710 --> 01:12:03.210

Donte Newman: Well, we got to bring you in. And like, you know what I want to say is this, because you all enjoy boxing your hand you're right now Vv Carol voices, like, boy, joy, aka



01:12:04.740 --> 01:12:11.790

Donte Newman: Dr. Rocks amber what purchase the pay per view fight and we're all going to go. Sounds about right.



01:12:16.050 --> 01:12:24.540

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, if we weren't in qubits. So we used to. We used to purchase fights and people come over. So, that is that is a real thing. Right now, we can let you sit out on our patio will open.



01:12:25.260 --> 01:12:26.400

Roxane Byrne: So you can look in but



01:12:26.940 --> 01:12:37.320

Hong Lieu: That's, that's how I got into boxing was was the East LA community would, would you, everyone. Bye fights you have a barbecue and will come together, you pay five bucks or whatever, not paid all with, you know, the certain point.



01:12:37.770 --> 01:12:46.590

Hong Lieu: And you just all sit together. Watch the fights. That's, that's kind of how that that community was spread to me in terms of boxing and MMA just came as a natural consequence of that. So it started as a communal thing you



01:12:46.860 --> 01:12:47.670

Donte Newman: Know for sure.



01:12:47.940 --> 01:12:50.880

Roxane Byrne: Definitely a commitment once coven, you know, kind of



01:12:50.910 --> 01:12:54.660

Roxane Byrne: Yes, gets resolved, and we can all be together for sure. I think that



01:12:57.930 --> 01:12:59.730

Donte Newman: Doesn't want to hang out with me because



01:13:02.610 --> 01:13:03.780

Roxane Byrne: He thinks you're a little weird.



01:13:06.420 --> 01:13:06.930

Roxane Byrne: Weird



01:13:07.620 --> 01:13:08.610

Donte Newman: Now, okay.



01:13:09.330 --> 01:13:12.450

Donte Newman: I see happening. I'm sorry. I didn't know you at the



01:13:13.470 --> 01:13:13.860

Donte Newman: Year.



01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:19.380

Akil Hill: Before we before, this is what I want. This is what I want to hear. Before we move to the new segment.



01:13:20.490 --> 01:13:21.570

Akil Hill: Or the cultural pieces.



01:13:23.070 --> 01:13:26.670

Akil Hill: I want to hear you. In Hong speak together in Chinese.



01:13:27.660 --> 01:13:29.550

Hong Lieu: But no, no. But does he know Cantonese, though.



01:13:29.850 --> 01:13:30.810

Donte Newman: I don't know, Cantonese



01:13:30.870 --> 01:13:33.030

Akil Hill: Oh, you know, men are in. OK. OK.



01:13:33.180 --> 01:13:34.530

Akil Hill: OK. OK.



01:13:36.150 --> 01:13:36.840

Donte Newman: I could try



01:13:37.410 --> 01:13:38.490

Donte Newman: No. No. Good. By the way, I



01:13:38.490 --> 01:13:42.120

Donte Newman: Kill it is super races for you to think just because I'm black. I know, man.



01:13:42.240 --> 01:13:42.750

I'm just kidding.



01:13:47.850 --> 01:13:49.830

Donte Newman: Okay. I mean, what's wrong. Let's do it.



01:13:52.260 --> 01:13:58.830

Hong Lieu: Even more than the Chinese language you living in China. I mean that they're very good at other people that aren't Chinese in China.



01:13:59.250 --> 01:14:02.280

Donte Newman: I mean, don't get me fired. I've already said.



01:14:05.550 --> 01:14:06.510

Don't get me fired



01:14:07.980 --> 01:14:08.580

Akil Hill: Say the P word



01:14:09.150 --> 01:14:10.500

Hong Lieu: I know. But so, so my question.



01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:11.790

Akil Hill: Was



01:14:12.030 --> 01:14:21.720

Hong Lieu: Was there a way for you to kind of break down those walls, little bit or did you just kind of exist, knowing that it was this kind of unspoken thing going on while you were in China. I mean, I'm sure after a while it was okay but



01:14:22.020 --> 01:14:25.830

Hong Lieu: There is that there's definitely a probably an initial period. Yeah, where yeah



01:14:26.100 --> 01:14:27.840

Roxane Byrne: No, it wasn't unspoken



01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:42.270

Donte Newman: Was yeah it was a little boy. I mean, honestly, I got there, you know what, so while we had a cohort. And there were about. I think they're like maybe 14 people in my cohort. And we had at least three black people in my cohort.



01:14:42.810 --> 01:14:50.040

Donte Newman: And again, I didn't hang out with the black people until about two months into being in China because again I had never



01:14:50.730 --> 01:14:57.210

Donte Newman: Had to figure out how to hang out with black people in the in the wild in the same company as like other racial groups.



01:14:57.630 --> 01:15:04.080

Donte Newman: So honestly, I didn't know how to and I know it sounds wild. I didn't know how to navigate the how to form relationships with black people.



01:15:04.320 --> 01:15:08.220

Donte Newman: In the presence of other racial groups in so I didn't, I didn't know how



01:15:08.550 --> 01:15:18.090

Donte Newman: To form that relationship. And just like a killed many of them were reaching out to me, hey, we got a meeting up here and I just didn't know how to do it and then it wasn't until about two months in



01:15:18.570 --> 01:15:26.280

Donte Newman: Where I started like hanging out with the black other black people. And the reason I bring that up is because there was a black woman who was there and she was like six to



01:15:26.910 --> 01:15:31.230

Donte Newman: She's a really close friend of mine. She has dreads. And when I would hang out with her.



01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:38.250

Donte Newman: Then I really noticed the other ring, because here you are. She's woman is six to she has long dreads and they're colored



01:15:38.670 --> 01:15:51.150

Donte Newman: And so when we would go anywhere, people will just like stare at her. I mean, for the longest period of time, like maybe I was getting that. But it wasn't like because I'm so small and people looking like. Oh, OK. Yeah.



01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:59.310

Donte Newman: Whatever, and everyone thought I was from Africa, you know, because Africa, there's a large western Africa population and



01:15:59.310 --> 01:15:59.520

Akil Hill: Wants



01:16:00.060 --> 01:16:08.520

Donte Newman: To do like import, export and and but when when I was with her is when I really, really noticed it, and she would always have to say like, okay, what are you looking at



01:16:09.180 --> 01:16:17.220

Donte Newman: And then she will be laughing with them and then they're all smiling. They're like, hey, she's always. So again, to me, I feel, honestly.



01:16:17.610 --> 01:16:28.680

Donte Newman: I feel more safe in China than I ever felt in America. Like, like at late night like I could be walking and everyone's like, looking at me and her whatever but we never feel like



01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:30.600

Donte Newman: It was our lives.



01:16:31.050 --> 01:16:33.750

Donte Newman: Are threat to them like never yeah like



01:16:33.780 --> 01:16:34.170

Donte Newman: Yeah.



01:16:34.470 --> 01:16:35.220

Akil Hill: I think that's



01:16:35.730 --> 01:16:36.660

Hong Lieu: Afraid of the cops there.



01:16:36.690 --> 01:16:43.380

Hong Lieu: Even the Chinese people the residence there. It's like they're just like, they're like be gentler to Chinese people like you break any laws in China. It's going bad for you. So, yeah.



01:16:44.130 --> 01:16:48.360

Donte Newman: Having guns, where we were. Yeah, to deal with him a lot. Yeah.



01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.270

Akil Hill: Yeah, no, I think that's super accurate.



01:16:52.590 --> 01:17:02.520

Akil Hill: You know, I was born in Japan and my mother would tell me stories about like her being in Japan in the 70s, with a big afro and and people trying to



01:17:03.150 --> 01:17:13.620

Akil Hill: Touch Up against her touch her skin and see what that felt like or touch your hair on the train is he would, but it's been my experience. I mean, I've traveled pretty extensively. I mean, I've been in Japan, like



01:17:14.850 --> 01:17:20.280

Akil Hill: Numerous amount of times I've been to West Africa, the Middle East.



01:17:21.300 --> 01:17:26.220

Akil Hill: Turkey and I've always felt a sense that I'm safer there.



01:17:26.670 --> 01:17:34.890

Akil Hill: And I can explain that to two people. You just have to go in and live are experienced that yourself. But as a black man. I will tell you.



01:17:35.460 --> 01:17:45.180

Akil Hill: That there's the issue of communicating. Yes, that's with sometimes intimidated because if you're not fluent, it's gonna be difficult, but the reality of your physical



01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:50.790

Akil Hill: Your physical safety, I just, I've always felt safer.



01:17:51.360 --> 01:18:01.680

Donte Newman: Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Man, like, I don't know if you get that feeling. Roxanne when you travel abroad. Do you feel safer or how does it feel for you when you travel



01:18:02.190 --> 01:18:04.080

Akil Hill: I guess I got some funny.



01:18:04.320 --> 01:18:05.250

Stories about Roxanne



01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:08.430

Akil Hill: We were in Turkey, we're in Turkey.



01:18:10.080 --> 01:18:16.560

Akil Hill: To hold those off. Those are gonna be off record. I'll share with you guys, when we're not recording, but go ahead.



01:18:17.460 --> 01:18:19.920

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, you don't have to share me trying to get in fights with people in Turkey.



01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:20.100




01:18:22.140 --> 01:18:22.740

Akil Hill: That's true. So



01:18:23.010 --> 01:18:23.940

Donte Newman: She's a kickboxer



01:18:24.660 --> 01:18:24.930

Roxane Byrne: I was



01:18:25.740 --> 01:18:26.940

Roxane Byrne: Like back off.



01:18:27.300 --> 01:18:35.760

Roxane Byrne: Um, yeah. So I it's it's interesting because you guys were talking about that and and absolutely from a racial perspective, I can



01:18:35.790 --> 01:18:44.010

Roxane Byrne: I can, you know, hear what you're both saying, but I was thinking more from a gender perspective. And I'm like, do I always feel that that's true. And so, you know,



01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:56.790

Roxane Byrne: Those of you who don't know, like my, my mom is from Japan also. And so, you know, I spent most of my life going to Japan, you know, once a year, at least, or so on and being with my family and being there for an extended period, a month or, you know, or so.



01:18:57.150 --> 01:19:06.090

Roxane Byrne: So, and then doing sort of every day, not necessarily touristy experiences that we, of course, did some of that but you know you're doing your everyday like grocery shopping with grandma and, you know,



01:19:06.210 --> 01:19:10.530

Roxane Byrne: Like kind of going going to visit your grandma's what I always think of going to Japan is just visiting my grandma.



01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:11.160

Donte Newman: Right, right.



01:19:11.190 --> 01:19:19.020

Roxane Byrne: So, you know, when I was there. There was absolutely always the very clear awareness of otherness



01:19:20.130 --> 01:19:32.700

Roxane Byrne: But as somebody who's, who's biracial I experienced the same feeling of otherness in the US that I do when I'm in Japan so familiar feeling it's not it's not like, wow, it only happens there. I feel the same thing here.



01:19:33.780 --> 01:19:34.470

Roxane Byrne: But



01:19:36.120 --> 01:19:44.760

Roxane Byrne: It's so strange because I think like, I feel so much safer to be out and about, like you said, like it could be midnight. I could be walking down the street by myself. I feel totally safe.



01:19:45.120 --> 01:19:53.640

Roxane Byrne: However, there are other like nuance things that make me feel less safe in another way. So, you know, a killing. I've talked about this, like you can be on the subway.



01:19:54.150 --> 01:20:06.060

Roxane Byrne: And sitting next to you is a man reading porn manga and that's totally acceptably normal that this person is reading this, like, really graphic novel.



01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:13.710

Roxane Byrne: With pornography or even like you know pictures and images magazines, things like that. And that could be right next to you as a woman.



01:20:14.070 --> 01:20:27.810

Roxane Byrne: That I think would not be tolerated or accepted as a normal behavior in the US. They have trained cars that between like the peak rush hour times. So the first train and the last train or the like a certain car by train



01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:29.640

Roxane Byrne: is reserved for women only



01:20:29.670 --> 01:20:45.450

Roxane Byrne: Because of the level of kind of physical harassment that people experience in in train. So it's interesting because on one hand I absolutely feel a sense of more safety and then in other ways. I feel less safe. So like when we were in Turkey.



01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:57.870

Roxane Byrne: As a woman I felt safer and certainly, and then others. I was like, I definitely feel more vulnerable here. So I think it depends on on where you are. But for me, it becomes much more of



01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:17.910

Roxane Byrne: A gendered feeling of like I don't know enough yet to decide how safe or comfortable. I am but in Asia and Japan. In particular, I have always felt like you know I have a lot more freedom to be out and about and feel physical safety. Um, yeah. Well, that's good.



01:21:17.970 --> 01:21:27.480

Donte Newman: Hong it, if I may just one. No, I know we're not interviewing here, but I think this is so important to hear you, or is this like in you all talked about like the gang violence. And I wonder if like



01:21:28.650 --> 01:21:35.760

Donte Newman: Beyond like international travel. When you all move to Santa Barbara. You all feel safer here.



01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:38.730

Donte Newman: Then you did like an LA.



01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:54.270

Hong Lieu: Yeah, I mean, if you're talking about the full spectrum. Like, I don't feel like my life is in danger. So I feel safer in that respect. But there. I do. There are a lot more in terms of like micro aggressions and things of that sort. And so in terms of day to day annoyances like



01:21:54.450 --> 01:22:03.690

Hong Lieu: I feel like there's, there's, there's more. There's more of that in terms of folks. There's not as many users, right here. I think about my son, you know, being the only Chinese person in his class where, for me it was like more of like a



01:22:03.900 --> 01:22:13.500

Hong Lieu: 7030 split. So there's things of that sort. That I think about in terms of guests absolutely fundamental safety and my more less likely to die here. I feel like that is that is true. Absolutely.



01:22:15.360 --> 01:22:29.640

Roxane Byrne: Well. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I would agree. I feel like when I for me particularly like the environments that I was that I was a part of in in when I was in LA garnered more opportunity for violence and threat.



01:22:29.670 --> 01:22:38.880

Roxane Byrne: Right when I came up here. I think part of that was like a lifestyle change, and also community change like I didn't find any environments in Santa Barbara that were nearly as



01:22:39.750 --> 01:22:49.560

Roxane Byrne: Challenging or problematic for me. Um, you know, as I did down in LA area, um, gosh, there was something else I was going to say about that to



01:22:50.970 --> 01:23:00.930

Roxane Byrne: Um, oh, and then the other. The other thing that is, you know, new for me is like, I started wearing a headscarf and job full time, you know,



01:23:02.160 --> 01:23:10.530

Roxane Byrne: Year and a half or two years ago. So prior to that, I was wearing a part time like you know for religious purposes or, you know, in different community settings with people.



01:23:11.160 --> 01:23:23.370

Roxane Byrne: But not on a regular, ongoing basis. And now that you know I've done that. And I actually put it on for the very first time when I was in Chicago or not for it. I put it on permanently for the first time in Chicago.



01:23:23.850 --> 01:23:35.880

Roxane Byrne: And and and then had to fly home. So, you know, within like five days of deciding to wear a job full time, I had to get on a plane.



01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:45.600

Roxane Byrne: And go through TSA and have the whole experience, which I think I shared with all of you. Is not that you know wasn't super and it was new in some ways, but I've had experiences.



01:23:46.020 --> 01:23:56.820

Roxane Byrne: Growing up, my whole life with with TSA and that in that sort of security checks and all that, because my family, you know, is from the Middle East as well. And so



01:23:57.390 --> 01:24:09.720

Roxane Byrne: Um, but now, today, like if you asked me right now. How safe do I feel I don't feel safe and kill and I've been talking a lot about that, particularly in the last, you know, several days.



01:24:10.890 --> 01:24:21.270

Roxane Byrne: You know, I think the climate in the US and some of the things that we've been seeing and messages that we've been receiving and then just even prior to that, like prior to all this stuff going down my daily experience out in the world.



01:24:21.570 --> 01:24:26.070

Roxane Byrne: Is so different, you know, and I have a friend. We have a friend who



01:24:27.300 --> 01:24:37.320

Roxane Byrne: Is a woman who is white, but I don't know what would you say is like 30 plus years ago she you know converted to Islam and



01:24:39.300 --> 01:24:47.400

Roxane Byrne: began wearing the hijab, and one of my first interaction with her one day we were talking about race and talking about experience. And she was like, yeah, I remember the day I stopped being white



01:24:48.150 --> 01:24:55.500

Roxane Byrne: And she was like it was the day I put on my job. So the day I lost all that white privilege was the day that I started wearing my scarf.



01:24:55.890 --> 01:25:08.580

Roxane Byrne: And and and even that really resonated with me and I really thought about it so much and and for me it's like every day. Is this really interesting experience going out and operating in the world, but particularly right now.



01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:20.340

Roxane Byrne: Like Eve. I don't know. I don't know where I would feel super comfortable outside of my own communities but like just walking around Santa Barbara Carpinteria those places. I don't necessarily feel safe, right. Oh, yeah.



01:25:23.280 --> 01:25:27.990

Hong Lieu: Yeah, definitely. Definitely is a interesting moment in the America we know



01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:29.850

So, yeah.



01:25:31.440 --> 01:25:32.190

Donte Newman: That was deep



01:25:32.460 --> 01:25:33.060

Roxane Byrne: Deep, sorry.



01:25:34.170 --> 01:25:34.320

Roxane Byrne: To



01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:46.740

Roxane Byrne: All the other place. Yeah, it's true. You know, I think about. Like I told the kids like a walk through a parking lot. Just go and get groceries and then super mindful of, like, in my walking behind a car that could run me over.



01:25:47.610 --> 01:25:58.530

Roxane Byrne: Over like what you know like I think about cars, pulling out going forward. Like, I don't want to walk in front of a car that's coming this way because I'm like, they're going to try to get me or something's going to happen, like I'm always super hyper aware



01:25:59.460 --> 01:26:02.340

Roxane Byrne: In ways that you know of course I didn't have to navigate before



01:26:03.450 --> 01:26:07.080

Roxane Byrne: And so it's it's definitely an interesting new



01:26:07.650 --> 01:26:19.290

Roxane Byrne: new way of being and then being like traveling and be another country. So I told to kill a couple nights ago, like I just missed being in a Muslim country. I miss Miss Turkey, because there. I can just like blend, you know, and I can feel very safe and comfortable.



01:26:20.340 --> 01:26:24.480

Roxane Byrne: But I don't know that that privilege will be afforded back



01:26:25.830 --> 01:26:27.600

Roxane Byrne: Ever in the US.



01:26:30.120 --> 01:26:41.220

Hong Lieu: Yeah so segmenting off of that of that slightly i mean i in terms of we I mean in terms of like we have our pop culture segment, we now call higher learning



01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:49.680

Hong Lieu: Is there something any resources you can recommend or anything you can kind of anyone that all want to suggest in terms of kind of



01:26:50.610 --> 01:26:56.760

Hong Lieu: Learning around the subject or something you'll want to talk about in general, and I wasn't sure if y'all want just talk about Cobra. Kai, but if there was like books.



01:26:59.310 --> 01:26:59.670

Roxane Byrne: So,



01:26:59.850 --> 01:27:02.280

Roxane Byrne: Tell me about the segment the segment is like about



01:27:02.280 --> 01:27:03.390

Roxane Byrne: Culture, it's about



01:27:03.390 --> 01:27:04.200

Hong Lieu: Like I made



01:27:04.500 --> 01:27:16.650

Hong Lieu: Any sort of piece of culture that has resonated in your life that you want to share, you know, maybe like a book, the TV show or movie fit you know song video game. Now that we've expanded into gaming. I feel like definitely in there.



01:27:17.130 --> 01:27:18.750

Hong Lieu: I'm just something that has, it has it has



01:27:18.750 --> 01:27:25.380

Hong Lieu: Resonated deeply in your life that you think that either under the radar, or just worth sharing that you want to let the broader NSPCC committee know about



01:27:27.330 --> 01:27:28.980

Hong Lieu: Yeah, of course I mean



01:27:29.280 --> 01:27:33.060

Donte Newman: Always got to come through with a nice little nice little book.



01:27:34.110 --> 01:27:37.110

Donte Newman: Michael Eric Dyson has a really good book called long time coming.



01:27:38.340 --> 01:27:46.950

I came out last month is really great book, easy, easy re that's a great book. If you're looking to learn a little bit more



01:27:47.970 --> 01:27:48.660




01:27:49.950 --> 01:27:54.480

About how the individuals who were killed by police officers in the past year.



01:27:55.770 --> 01:28:04.980

Donte Newman: You know, how is it connected to events that happened like you know in 1619 right so he does a really great job at



01:28:05.400 --> 01:28:11.040

Donte Newman: At talking like connecting like, you know, recent events to events that happened, you know, centuries ago.



01:28:11.700 --> 01:28:21.540

Donte Newman: That's a really good one. And then I just finished yesterday a book called read the letter to my son's by Amani Perry and it's a really, really great book. I mean,



01:28:22.500 --> 01:28:38.340

Donte Newman: A strong writer. I mean, she writes so clearly. And just imagine like she's talking about raising black sons right and book came out in 2018 but it's just it's just so relevant now. I think those two books are really good and



01:28:39.660 --> 01:28:48.300

Donte Newman: You know, in terms of culture I, you know, when I was a kid, I used to watch like Avatar and you are. Did you watch avatar going to



01:28:48.330 --> 01:28:48.630

Hong Lieu: Last



01:28:48.900 --> 01:28:49.770

Hong Lieu: Last Bitter. Bitter



01:28:49.890 --> 01:28:51.150

Donte Newman: Oh, yeah.



01:28:51.180 --> 01:28:53.040

Donte Newman: But you know, it's wild though hunk.



01:28:53.580 --> 01:28:57.840

Donte Newman: You know I never watched it in order. I never watched the show.



01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:01.170

Donte Newman: Up in order, I didn't. When I was a kid. It just kept episode here.



01:29:01.170 --> 01:29:02.430

Hong Lieu: Episode. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.



01:29:02.700 --> 01:29:12.000

Donte Newman: And so, you know, when I get really stressed out when I feel like there's a lot on my plate like last month I felt like everything was like I was carrying world.



01:29:12.510 --> 01:29:23.610

Donte Newman: And I always I always turn to animated shows like that's just what I do. I'm stressed out. I'm always going to watch animated shows. And so I started watching like the avatar. And I actually finished it.



01:29:25.110 --> 01:29:26.610

Donte Newman: And it was amazing.



01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:28.920

Hong Lieu: That the last four or five episodes and



01:29:30.570 --> 01:29:32.280

Hong Lieu: Not only did they tie everything up.



01:29:32.910 --> 01:29:33.840

Donte Newman: But they also



01:29:34.020 --> 01:29:38.670

Hong Lieu: But they also, like, really. I mean, like, I'm not gonna, I don't need to tell him that I cried a little bit but



01:29:41.100 --> 01:29:41.670

Donte Newman: Yo,



01:29:44.070 --> 01:29:45.600

Donte Newman: Yo, yo, okay. Oh.



01:29:46.770 --> 01:29:48.030

Hong Lieu: I'm so lucky. Yeah.



01:29:48.210 --> 01:29:56.340

Hong Lieu: Man, you gotta get through the whole thing though. Last episode. If you follow that journey. You know, like, oh yeah, yo.



01:29:56.670 --> 01:30:02.550

Akil Hill: Man, I don't know what to think, Man, last week, our last episode I found out that you ride your bike on the sidewalk.



01:30:02.580 --> 01:30:06.150

Akil Hill: Now you tried it. I haven't been watching Avatar, what is going on.



01:30:07.740 --> 01:30:14.880

Hong Lieu: Why is riding a bike. I mean, you caught me off or crying anatomy shows the ride your bike in the safest route, it might not be safe for the pedestrian



01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:16.230

Hong Lieu: But it's safe for the bike rider.



01:30:17.310 --> 01:30:22.410

Donte Newman: Yo, I know you look on killing rock saying y'all can do talk and



01:30:24.150 --> 01:30:26.430

Donte Newman: Voices because we're connecting right now.



01:30:29.310 --> 01:30:36.840

Donte Newman: I strongly believe that every day that that that cyclists should should ride their bikes on the sidewalk. It's safer.



01:30:37.020 --> 01:30:39.030

Roxane Byrne: I agree with that. But I do



01:30:39.030 --> 01:30:40.830

Roxane Byrne: Have a knowledge little interracial



01:30:40.860 --> 01:30:41.850

Romance that's happening.



01:30:44.820 --> 01:30:45.690

Donte Newman: Out there right now.



01:30:47.130 --> 01:30:52.170

Hong Lieu: Yeah, if you've ever been here by next to a car door when it opens when you ride your bike. Yes, you can buy a car door.



01:30:53.400 --> 01:31:00.270

Hong Lieu: All the time. Like, I wish I could run the site right now, without being turned into a social pariah, because I would be there right now, I'd be



01:31:00.270 --> 01:31:04.530

Roxane Byrne: Right, let's do yeah I'm not about this street writing like I know



01:31:05.250 --> 01:31:15.810

Donte Newman: I'm with you in the last thing I want to say is that so so home I graduated from avatar. Right. So I finished it. And so I was like, Yo, that was a void. I'm like, I need more of this.



01:31:16.140 --> 01:31:17.160

Hong Lieu: started watching Cora.



01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:23.760

Donte Newman: I just finished Season one last night, of course do



01:31:25.620 --> 01:31:31.140

Hong Lieu: I will say that the the next couple see like, it was, it was really signed. It's like a one season like follow up deal



01:31:31.350 --> 01:31:32.820

Donte Newman: So that you can you can see



01:31:33.210 --> 01:31:42.480

Hong Lieu: The second have four seasons are good, but not as strong but yeah the the full run of Avatar and the first season of Cora, put it up against it. I'm a, I'm an anime guy. I love Japanese animation.



01:31:43.170 --> 01:31:48.780

Hong Lieu: The full thing of Avatar, the first season of course up against any anime series and it's right there. Top five easily. Yeah.



01:31:49.530 --> 01:31:49.980

Donte Newman: Listen.



01:31:50.220 --> 01:31:59.040

Donte Newman: Listen to rock say I'm telling, y'all. Check out the avatar check our legend of Cora shows are absolute fire.



01:31:59.820 --> 01:32:13.410

Roxane Byrne: Yeah I am, Japanese, I am not like an anime or manga fan at all. So I know avatar from my daughter like used to watch Avatar and it's so funny.



01:32:14.040 --> 01:32:25.650

Roxane Byrne: On my Netflix recently it's been this like kind of running joke because people started on my, on my Netflix account started like watching certain shows and putting a whole bunch of anime on there and I know



01:32:25.650 --> 01:32:27.870

Akil Hill: We've tried. Now you try. You try to throw me out on the



01:32:27.870 --> 01:32:28.530

Akil Hill: Street now.



01:32:31.140 --> 01:32:31.860

Roxane Byrne: A little bit you



01:32:33.090 --> 01:32:34.110

Roxane Byrne: Know more this you



01:32:34.110 --> 01:32:38.550

Roxane Byrne: Own your own accounts. I'm done like to leave me to my historical dramas.



01:32:40.470 --> 01:32:41.310

Roxane Byrne: My content.



01:32:41.460 --> 01:32:41.730

Donte Newman: We were



01:32:42.270 --> 01:32:44.130

Donte Newman: To kill today, we've been



01:32:44.940 --> 01:32:56.490

Akil Hill: We've been teasing her because we we say she's anti Asian and their TV programming, because she doesn't want any of the I'm not gonna lie. True, full disclosure, I watched start watching the K Pop.



01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:03.480

Akil Hill: Sorry K drama ok drama and then you know our daughter was watching



01:33:05.250 --> 01:33:06.030

Akil Hill: She's been watching



01:33:06.120 --> 01:33:06.750

Anime so



01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:10.770

Hong Lieu: You've been watching it to a kid you



01:33:11.610 --> 01:33:13.080

Roxane Byrne: Know he's been watching the



01:33:13.320 --> 01:33:15.600

Roxane Byrne: Dramas and so I was like, I went back into



01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:31.890

Roxane Byrne: My into my Netflix and I'm like all my suggested stuff is all you know K drama anime. And I was like, excuse me, why not what I'm trying to do right now. Like, I have my I have like a Japanese reality TV show and a couple things like that that



01:33:32.250 --> 01:33:32.520

Roxane Byrne: House.



01:33:33.240 --> 01:33:34.200

Akil Hill: Yes, it is tears.



01:33:34.890 --> 01:33:37.650

Hong Lieu: Tears tears season is



01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:40.950

Hong Lieu: I think it's gone, it's



01:33:40.950 --> 01:33:43.320




01:33:43.350 --> 01:33:59.670

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, yeah. So, but, I mean, one of my favorite shows and, you know, there's a few other things like that. But I've just I've just never been a real enemy person. So you know I can't handle it. The key, the key dramas. I did for a hot minute but reminds me of my mom so I



01:34:00.990 --> 01:34:18.090

Roxane Byrne: Just I love my mom. But you know, it's just not my thing. So I found that my, my very carefully curated Netflix account has been hijacked and so I wanted to make people their own accounts and and demand that they that they go watch their shows on their own.



01:34:18.090 --> 01:34:18.420




01:34:22.260 --> 01:34:26.460

Akil Hill: I was like, hit a black man live his life and watch this k drama.



01:34:27.510 --> 01:34:28.590

Akil Hill: On his wife's account.



01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:33.630

Hong Lieu: And now knowing that you love to have your heartstrings like the way those



01:34:34.770 --> 01:34:36.000

Hong Lieu: Little musical interlude.



01:34:37.590 --> 01:34:40.110

Hong Lieu: Car door opened in the rain someone coming out, you would



01:34:41.310 --> 01:34:41.730

Just give it



01:34:43.290 --> 01:34:45.300

Akil Hill: All right, I'll circle back with you guys on that.



01:34:45.390 --> 01:34:47.580

Donte Newman: Please do. Please do.



01:34:48.060 --> 01:34:57.300

Akil Hill: So Roxanne, Roxanne, what I'm go ahead and drop which what's been given. What do you been into what are your suggestions and stuff are



01:34:58.140 --> 01:35:13.890

Roxane Byrne: Gosh, that's so hard. So, you know, in terms of books. I mean, I'll just be super honest and kill knows this, too. I have like 8000 books just piled up everywhere. So I'm working on my my dissertation right now trying to finish my PhD. I don't, I don't get to read whole books.



01:35:14.250 --> 01:35:14.910

Roxane Byrne: Right now.



01:35:15.090 --> 01:35:19.050

Roxane Byrne: I get to really very difficult to read for pleasure. I mean, and



01:35:19.440 --> 01:35:24.510

Roxane Byrne: On a normal basis and like my reading for pleasure happens to be usually nonfiction. Anyways, but



01:35:24.750 --> 01:35:36.840

Roxane Byrne: I don't get to like fully engage in anything. Everything's like tidbits right so I've got like a chapter of this and a chapter of that and like, I'm just looking like the books that are out here for me right now that are things that other people might want to read



01:35:38.640 --> 01:35:46.050

Roxane Byrne: I don't know if anyone's ever heard of this book called one half his whole it's by Stephen Murphy sugar Matsu and it's about biracial multi ethnic



01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:58.770

Roxane Byrne: Asian identities and so super cool because it's like he's, he himself is a biracial Japanese American man. And so he went out and he did this inquiry, with all of these different



01:35:59.250 --> 01:36:03.510

Roxane Byrne: People who were half Asian. Right, so I'm particularly



01:36:04.500 --> 01:36:11.040

Roxane Byrne: Looking at, you know, what is their experience been and navigating these two different identities and you know you you



01:36:11.310 --> 01:36:18.150

Roxane Byrne: Three know that that's something that's super, you know, interesting to me and kind of figuring out how people kind of navigate racial identity.



01:36:18.570 --> 01:36:28.050

Roxane Byrne: So that's something that I have read a lot of course always Gloria and I'll do as Borderlands love that as well. So those are like books that are just



01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:34.290

Roxane Byrne: That speak to me regularly, but I don't, I can't even give like a full book because I have all the



01:36:34.590 --> 01:36:45.930

Roxane Byrne: All the ones that Dante mentioned, you know, I was just looking at my bookshelf earlier, too. And I'm like, there's all these books I have they've read excerpts from or pieces of because I don't have time. I'm reading articles and doing other stuff right now.



01:36:46.440 --> 01:36:47.910

Donte Newman: Yeah, I show that right



01:36:48.150 --> 01:36:58.620

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, you know that life and it's painful and I so I actually bought myself this little silly journal at Costco. A couple weeks ago, which is like a book club journal. I'm not in any



01:36:59.070 --> 01:37:09.360

Roxane Byrne: Officially in a book club, but it's supposed to be like a space where you can kind of write down what you're reading what are things that you're pulling from it, and I thought maybe that will help me to



01:37:10.500 --> 01:37:18.720

Roxane Byrne: Get on a pattern of being able to like finish a book, but that might not happen until later this year when you know. Hopefully. I'm done with this writing process.



01:37:19.260 --> 01:37:32.130

Roxane Byrne: So, um, but Netflix or TV shows that I love like I got into something and I'm just, this is like my nerd zone. So there was a show on I think stars called the Spanish princess, which is about



01:37:33.090 --> 01:37:38.040

Roxane Byrne: Catherine of Aragon, she was Henry the sentence first white and the eighth first wife.



01:37:38.610 --> 01:37:53.220

Roxane Byrne: Basically, she was sort of the catalyst for the birth of the Church of England because he wanted to divorce her so he could marry the lady who was having an affair with and the pope wouldn't grant him permission for the divorce. So he started the Church of England.



01:37:54.360 --> 01:38:09.330

Roxane Byrne: So that he could, he is, you know, like an interesting stuff that people don't know about. And so it's kind of her story it's it's framed from her perspective and what her life was like, so I love like a good period piece historical drama.



01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:15.420

Roxane Byrne: That dominated a bunch of my time. Yeah. See it kills not down with it. We also



01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:17.160

Akil Hill: Say,



01:38:18.930 --> 01:38:20.190

I gotta jump in here on that.



01:38:22.620 --> 01:38:34.260

Akil Hill: Roxanne will she'll move from upstairs or downstairs from TV. The TV and I'll she'll be sneaky with it should be like yeah I started this new program and then like



01:38:34.860 --> 01:38:43.170

Akil Hill: Later on, she's like, I'm done. I'm like, when are you, when did you watch that she's like, Oh, you were asleep. Oh, when you went to the store. Oh, when you when you were out



01:38:44.250 --> 01:38:46.140

Roxane Byrne: Barely chairs.



01:38:46.500 --> 01:38:49.920

Akil Hill: She slayed that series and she slayed Bridger tin.



01:38:50.100 --> 01:38:53.580

Akil Hill: Is within 48 hours. I swear.



01:38:53.670 --> 01:38:54.750

Akil Hill: It feels like she had



01:38:54.990 --> 01:38:57.000

Donte Newman: That was a mental health vacation stop hating



01:38:59.400 --> 01:38:59.700

Hong Lieu: Yeah.



01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:16.080

Donte Newman: Yo, yo, I trust me, I understand their Roxanne like sometimes you just gotta be in just show, even if it's in the background. You know, I'm with it. So like immediately when we get off this call. I'm Season two Episode one legend, of course, I understand what



01:39:17.430 --> 01:39:19.500

Donte Newman: What, what do you, what do you watch and enjoy.



01:39:21.180 --> 01:39:21.660

Akil Hill: And



01:39:24.330 --> 01:39:26.970

Akil Hill: We finished we watched Cobra Kai season three.



01:39:28.020 --> 01:39:28.530

Akil Hill: And



01:39:29.850 --> 01:39:31.830

Akil Hill: That was a little disappointed I didn't think it was that good.



01:39:31.890 --> 01:39:33.900

Hong Lieu: Well, you don't like the way I like the way did



01:39:35.280 --> 01:39:36.060

Donte Newman: I haven't checked it out. Yeah.



01:39:36.510 --> 01:39:36.870

Roxane Byrne: Yeah.



01:39:36.990 --> 01:39:45.060

Akil Hill: Okay, yeah, I just think they could have taken it in no little in a completely different direction and could have been a lot better. I wasn't



01:39:45.480 --> 01:39:52.350

Akil Hill: I wasn't really filling in it. It was, I mean I'm not saying don't watch it if you watch Season one and Season two. You definitely have to watch Season three, but don't



01:39:53.010 --> 01:40:05.760

Akil Hill: I feel don't have the expectation of season one and Season two. That's just my personal take. But yeah, that's what I watched over break that was the kind of and then I got into Bridget 10 and I will say that



01:40:06.630 --> 01:40:11.880

Akil Hill: But those, those two are that are like on the forefront of my mind right now see



01:40:12.750 --> 01:40:17.820

Roxane Byrne: I love like the Sopranos Boardwalk Empire.



01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:40.530

Roxane Byrne: Like those are those are my shows Narcos like all this stuff and and it kills not really into it. So I'm like, those are all my secret secret viewing kind of guilty pleasures that I enjoy and then like we love a good, bad reality TV. So we're all about the 90 day fiance and



01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:43.020

Roxane Byrne: Married at first sight.



01:40:43.020 --> 01:40:44.400

Roxane Byrne: watch The Bachelor, though.



01:40:45.750 --> 01:40:46.350

Roxane Byrne: Yeah.



01:40:47.130 --> 01:40:49.410

Akil Hill: We have been watching a lot of 48 hours, though, you



01:40:49.440 --> 01:40:50.580

Akil Hill: Know Dateline. Dateline.



01:40:50.730 --> 01:40:51.660

Akil Hill: Take my



01:40:51.990 --> 01:40:57.150

Akil Hill: Yo man, I've been watching Dateline, like it's nobody's business and take it out.



01:40:57.630 --> 01:40:58.710

Donte Newman: What are you watching right now.



01:40:59.070 --> 01:41:03.390

Hong Lieu: I will I finished over the break man DeLorean and Cobra Kai. Excellent.



01:41:04.620 --> 01:41:13.680

Hong Lieu: The book I read was called society of the spectacle book publishing like 1960s by gaming key the board. It was a



01:41:14.340 --> 01:41:20.220

Hong Lieu: Pez movement called the Situationist situation is movement in Paris and led to some kind of demonstrations in 1868



01:41:21.210 --> 01:41:28.380

Hong Lieu: It kind of the idea of the spectacle being that we no longer kind of we're going after these representations of the things that have



01:41:28.710 --> 01:41:32.370

Hong Lieu: The main point is that all that once was directly lived has become your representation



01:41:33.090 --> 01:41:39.420

Hong Lieu: The decline of being is because into having and of having to merely appearing. So the appearing is what is now the spectacle.



01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:49.770

Hong Lieu: So people now kind of seek and seek out the spectacles, as opposed to the actual kind of core lived experience in and of itself. So, so kind of ideas of what we've been talking about, I've lived experiences like that.



01:41:50.820 --> 01:41:53.250

Hong Lieu: When I read this book yet. What kind of resonated because I was thinking, you know, like



01:41:53.580 --> 01:42:05.280

Hong Lieu: Everyone's looking for the copies like everyone's just taking what they like and then making copies of it. And then, and then the people underneath that are seeking out these copies as opposed to going back and do you know it's the genuine article. So, so



01:42:05.520 --> 01:42:06.720

Hong Lieu: It's it's a book that's kind of like



01:42:06.750 --> 01:42:12.600

Hong Lieu: Written as a bunch of little passages, so it doesn't have like a narrative flow. So, it is more just kind of like a manifesto, in some ways,



01:42:13.140 --> 01:42:20.640

Hong Lieu: But it but ideas are sound, but it's kind of, it was kind of interesting because I've looked at the situation is because they had a movement in the lead to these demonstrations in Paris, and there were



01:42:20.940 --> 01:42:24.870

Hong Lieu: You know, as a worldwide movement, but just kind of fizzled out because after a while everyone started fighting



01:42:25.260 --> 01:42:31.830

Hong Lieu: And like everyone started fighting about what they should have been what it was. And they were they were not able to kind of have that unified



01:42:32.160 --> 01:42:45.660

Hong Lieu: You know movement to kind of keep it going. So it kind of spoke to me, not only the good ideas but that good ideas are not enough like you need to take those good ideas and you need to find a way to not just act on them, but to act on them with a community around you.



01:42:45.660 --> 01:42:51.900

Hong Lieu: And so the people skills weren't there. The guy had great ideas, but he was not good at kind of



01:42:52.350 --> 01:43:02.130

Hong Lieu: You know, working with other people where they would start fighting about what is it this or that you know that they're fighting over principles are fighting over dogma. They're fighting over this net and eventually it splintered and



01:43:02.550 --> 01:43:10.680

Hong Lieu: They were gone. So it was kind of interested in not just the book. But then, the situation is movement in general, I was like, really struck and I didn't hear it and heard of it.



01:43:11.100 --> 01:43:16.200

Hong Lieu: But then I guess they did have a lot. There was a lot of stuff that was going on at the influence it in France, especially



01:43:16.500 --> 01:43:27.120

Hong Lieu: But around the world. And so it's not hear that at all. And then to find out that not only really around, but the splintered because of all this infighting, and all the other stuff is crazy. Yeah, so



01:43:27.210 --> 01:43:28.110

Donte Newman: So deep breathing.



01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:39.690

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, yeah, that makes me. It's funny because I was thinking about, like, what have I been doing lately that is sort of like pop culture realm and it's been a lot of podcasts. So I know this is a podcast but I you know I try to listen to



01:43:39.900 --> 01:43:47.430

Roxane Byrne: Different things and I got some, you know, air pods recently which, according to Akila just were in my head all the time and



01:43:47.580 --> 01:43:49.170

Akil Hill: She's one from the house with just one



01:43:49.170 --> 01:43:49.710




01:43:51.240 --> 01:43:52.320

Roxane Byrne: Official you know



01:43:52.350 --> 01:43:53.970

Akil Hill: Singing talking to herself.



01:43:56.250 --> 01:44:01.350

Hong Lieu: And they stay in pretty well because that's what you do. I always looks like a loose dangle to me like they're gonna flop out any moment, but



01:44:01.350 --> 01:44:05.280

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, I was. I thought it would be weird. But no, it's, it's an all the time, but



01:44:06.660 --> 01:44:07.050

Akil Hill: It is



01:44:07.290 --> 01:44:07.770

Akil Hill: It is



01:44:07.950 --> 01:44:09.660

Akil Hill: It is it all the time.



01:44:09.990 --> 01:44:10.260

Akil Hill: I've been



01:44:11.910 --> 01:44:14.310

Hong Lieu: Over the year. But yes, I don't know if they're good.



01:44:14.370 --> 01:44:24.720

Roxane Byrne: I thought I was too but I really like this and and it's been nice because like you know when I'm cleaning or doing dishes are doing doing like projects or stuff like I just have them in and I'm listening to stuff and



01:44:25.020 --> 01:44:34.680

Roxane Byrne: So a bunch of different podcasts, you know, crime podcasts and then some more social, you know, culture things, but one that I just recently got into is called, it's called down the rabbit hole.



01:44:36.330 --> 01:44:50.520

Roxane Byrne: And it's just called rabbit hole and it's basically kind of an inquiry into how young white men are getting radicalized online and kind of what that process looks like it's super it's so it's really well done.



01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:56.130

Roxane Byrne: And it's they basically are following this one individual, and he gives them their his



01:44:56.940 --> 01:45:09.180

Roxane Byrne: Sort of like search history on his computer like they're able to kind of look over the course of, you know, the past, however many years and see what he was engaging with and looking at and how it progressively took him.



01:45:09.450 --> 01:45:26.370

Roxane Byrne: down this rabbit hole into you know extremism and it's it's pretty fascinating. Um, so I encourage people to kind of check that one out. If you're looking for something, you know, good to listen to and informative. I think especially right now with all the stuff we see going on.



01:45:28.320 --> 01:45:29.520

Hong Lieu: Great choices all around.



01:45:30.540 --> 01:45:36.570

Hong Lieu: Thank you all very much for that and thank both of you for coming on the show promise fulfilled.



01:45:38.190 --> 01:45:40.080

Akil Hill: will appreciate you all for having us on.



01:45:41.370 --> 01:45:49.140

Hong Lieu: Before before we sign off for today. Any last words about American we know or anything else you're doing on campus that you want to want to highlight or mention for folks.



01:45:54.060 --> 01:45:57.060

Donte Newman: And no cap great shows



01:45:57.870 --> 01:46:01.260

Roxane Byrne: Yeah, I'm asked for talk Dante



01:46:04.620 --> 01:46:06.300

Roxane Byrne: Producer of talk. Let me come in and



01:46:07.350 --> 01:46:07.710

Roxane Byrne: Chat.



01:46:08.160 --> 01:46:09.480

Hong Lieu: The chat. Here you go, this depth two



01:46:09.480 --> 01:46:09.780




01:46:12.390 --> 01:46:22.770

Roxane Byrne: So yeah, we, we have some talk episodes coming up. We just kind of nail down some of the dates that we want to do, but I'm not going to say them now, just in case anything changes, but we're looking at doing



01:46:23.910 --> 01:46:36.720

Roxane Byrne: Once a month, February, March, April, and we're kind of thinking about moving it to the lunch hour so hoping that that will engage more people give people an opportunity to kind of take a break in their day and maybe come and listen.



01:46:37.140 --> 01:46:48.510

Roxane Byrne: And watch because, in our case, you know, we're doing the webinar kind of format. And I think we're gonna have some really good guests on. So I think it'll be a new exciting.



01:46:50.160 --> 01:46:58.020

Roxane Byrne: Talk for everybody. And we hope that you'll come check us out. Absolutely. This, this, I'm not sure we're doing seasons. But this semester will



01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:17.580

Donte Newman: Talks. This and this will be live seriously. Yeah, yeah, we're, we're really, really thinking about who we invite on to our show. And we've got we've got some organization. Now, so it is going to be very, very dope. So y'all come in, check out our talks this this semester.



01:47:18.660 --> 01:47:20.910

Hong Lieu: I'm glad I got in before you raise the bar because I



01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:27.270

Roxane Byrne: guarantee that there will be a repeat of, you know, inviter performance.



01:47:27.570 --> 01:47:39.720

Roxane Byrne: We also do that a lot, too, and I knew I know you guys are, you know, kind of unique new people, each time, but something that we've done on talk is we bring people back onto the show because, you know, again, we're, we're



01:47:40.320 --> 01:47:46.500

Roxane Byrne: Interested in America, we know and that's going to change and shift and different you know different hot topics that are going on in the world and



01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:56.010

Roxane Byrne: People who get a really good response from the audience. We want to bring them back and have them talk some more. So yeah, you know, if you'll get an invite him so



01:47:59.370 --> 01:48:00.900

Hong Lieu: We didn't do we didn't cut the mustard.



01:48:03.120 --> 01:48:03.690

Donte Newman: We



01:48:03.870 --> 01:48:15.690

Donte Newman: Honestly, we got really favorable reviews. I mean, like the most. I have some of my students are telling me like this was my favorite talk here and they had attended all the talks like seriously. So since June. He said that this was their favorite one, so



01:48:16.770 --> 01:48:21.750

Donte Newman: Like kudos to you all would definitely be back when, you know, to not let me know now.



01:48:23.760 --> 01:48:25.950

Donte Newman: And have us back soon. Yes.



01:48:26.010 --> 01:48:27.090

Akil Hill: Yes, absolutely.



01:48:27.360 --> 01:48:31.080

Akil Hill: Absolutely. That's a run it by your students make sure you give them extra credit if they listen



01:48:32.160 --> 01:48:33.810

Donte Newman: Oh yeah, actually, I will do that.



01:48:34.230 --> 01:48:34.530

Akil Hill: Yeah.



01:48:34.830 --> 01:48:35.730

Donte Newman: Actually, I'll do that.



01:48:35.790 --> 01:48:36.450

Akil Hill: Um, yeah.



01:48:36.750 --> 01:48:44.280

Donte Newman: And you have any questions that you would like me to post them like while they're listening like that will be great. I can come up with some questions, too, so we can talk about that.



01:48:45.630 --> 01:48:47.070

Akil Hill: Yeah. All right.



01:48:47.580 --> 01:48:49.050

Hong Lieu: Thank thank you too, and



01:48:49.500 --> 01:48:51.870

Hong Lieu: Thank you guys for listening to America. We know once the



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Hong Lieu: Bus. So look for that in February and I will definitely be tuning in, because like I said, You'll do a great job, not only interacting with the guests be interacting with audience as well and



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Hong Lieu: You've really kind of have a good kind of form that to kind of highlight the issues were dealing with in America.



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Akil Hill: Hashtag drop it in the chat.



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Donte Newman: I love this episode.



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Donte Newman: Thank you. Always a pleasure being on the show. Thank



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Donte Newman: You. This was great, this is



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Roxane Byrne: Yeah.



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Hong Lieu: Thank you so much. And until next time we'll see everyone will see everyone soon. And this was Vaquero Voices. Take care. Bye bye.