Akil and Hong welcome Adrienne Arguijo-Morgan and Dr. Joshua Ramirez to the show to discuss Student Ready and the College for Working Adults; from there, the conversation touches on cedar plank salmon, fried chicken sandwiches, travel vlogs, and various books, comics, films, and TV shows. Check the show notes for full details!
Mentioned in this episode:
Student Ready - https://www.sbcc.edu/student-ready/
College for Working Adults - https://www.sbcc.edu/student-ready/college-for-working-adults/
SB Cal-SOAP - https://calsoapsb.org/
Sprouts Citrus Herb Salmon - https://shop.sprouts.com/search?search_term=citrus%20herb%20salmon
Cedar Plank Cooking - https://www.wildwoodgrilling.com/why-cook-salmon-on-cedar-plank/
Vallarta Supermarkets - https://vallartasupermarkets.com/en/
Taqueria Cuernavaca - https://www.cuernavaca-taqueria.com/
Honey Bird - https://www.honeybirdla.com/menu
Descanso Gardens - https://www.descansogardens.org/
Jollibee - https://jollibeeusa.com/
Seafood City - https://www.seafoodcity.com/
Air Fryer - https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/air-fryers
La Michoacana Azteca - https://www.yelp.com/biz/la-michoacana-azteca-2-oxnard-3
La Michoacana SB - https://www.yelp.com/biz/la-michoacana-premier-santa-barbara-2
Burning Mouth - https://burninmouth.com/
Howlin' Ray's - https://howlinrays.com/
Hotville Chicken - https://www.hotvillechicken.com/
Matty's Hot Chicken - https://www.mattyshotchickensb.com/
Hoppin' John - https://www.southernliving.com/recipes/classic-hoppin-john-recipe
Men and Masculinities - https://styluspub.presswarehouse.com/browse/book/9781620369319/Men-and-Masculinities
Gina Garcia - https://www.ginaanngarcia.com/
We Want to Do More Than Survive - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/622408/we-want-to-do-more-than-survive-by-bettina-love/
Monarca - https://www.netflix.com/title/80211572
Coreano Vlogs - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsR7mvxkZ2GeENRqR6z7P_g
Redefining Realness - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Redefining-Realness/Janet-Mock/9781476709130
Tenet - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenet_(film)
Queen's Gambit - https://www.netflix.com/title/80234304
10 Billion - https://next10billion.com/
Fallin' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCzKWIrWtU0
Beautiful Revolution (Pt. 1) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brDeNb8heBg
Your Honor - https://www.sho.com/your-honor
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Hong Lieu: Hello and welcome to another episode of SBCC vaquero voices a podcast highlighting the
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Hong Lieu: Unique voices that comprise our campus culture and how we're all working together to serve our students and the community at large, as usual. I'm joined by my co host to Akil hill.
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Akil Hill: Hey guys.
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Hong Lieu: And today we are honored to welcome Adrienne Arguijo-Morgan and Dr. Joshua Ramirez from the psychology department here on campus to the show. Welcome to the both of you.
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Akil Hill: Welcome, guys.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Hello. Hi.
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Hong Lieu: So y'all are here today, not to talk about psychology. Josh, which I know that's one of your specialties, but to talk about another program that you are overseeing and directing student ready, is that that's the official name of it. So it's been this entire umbrella of programs.
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Joshua Ramirez: Yeah, that's a good way to try to describe in time. It's the grants that that NSPCC acquired back in 2017
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Joshua Ramirez: was titled student ready. And there are a number of programs underneath that everything from faculty professional development trying to improve instruction on campus become more equity minded.
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Joshua Ramirez: To Learning Support Services and also a pathway to a degree for many part time students and working adults as well.
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Joshua Ramirez: So the idea behind student ready was, you know, let's make the campus a little bit more student ready, let's try to shore up what what we do well and see if we can help those part time and working adult students
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, the name can be consumed a little vague, so it's nice to have it broken down like that. But even when you break it down. It seems like you're covering a wide swath of areas to kind of address. So, I mean, how has the program.
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Hong Lieu: Been in your eyes in terms of how you, how you feel about things right now as it stands.
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Joshua Ramirez: There were a number of things that that were accomplished with the grants that I think we did particularly well and others that that we're still shoring up
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Joshua Ramirez: If we have to talk about one of the biggest impacts. It's a little bit of a shout out to our dean Elizabeth Imhoff
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Joshua Ramirez: She was previously an activity director on the grants and she led a lot of faculty professional development leading that discussion about how our students needs to feel like they belong in the classroom.
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Joshua Ramirez: But also hitting some turbulent years at SPC where there's a very big discussion that really was always there, but
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Joshua Ramirez: But we really need to shine light on on on racism and structural racism.
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Joshua Ramirez: That institution. And so a lot of the professional development that was done on really I think had an impact on on the faculty and we can continue with that discussion with the grant itself moving two years into the future.
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Joshua Ramirez: And also trying to figure out how to be able to better learning support for students trying to offer tutor supports, but with an equity lens and now moving into code 19 era trying to train our tutors to be able to serve as yet another source of support for students and distance
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, so, so definitely a lot of work has been done. It's still a lot of work to go. It sounds like. But it sounds like everything seems to be
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Hong Lieu: Seems to be progressing at least. I mean, it's hard to really quantify success in these realms, because it's such a high bar, so to speak, but as long as, as long as progress is being made. I'm sure there are things to hang your hat on that you can feel good about for sure. Yeah.
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Joshua Ramirez: They're like, like you said, there are some numbers that we shoot for. But there are also the intangibles that are there to
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Joshua Ramirez: If it meant that we got our students to to think about staying with us, then I think that we, we've done our job.
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Joshua Ramirez: But we have this college for working adults that we are trying to get the word out about some then trying to see
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Joshua Ramirez: Their students who might be interested in getting that associates degree that that they'd always planned on trying to get
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Joshua Ramirez: But for one reason or another. That just wasn't a possibility. Now we're moving in sort of that have actually at a monumental pace. Now, we had to change our instruction overnight and we realized
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Joshua Ramirez: Oh this. This is harder for instructors to be able to do but worth it as well.
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Joshua Ramirez: To be able to bring up all of our chops and instructions and saying we need to be just as flexible in the classroom as we do in the virtual classroom.
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Joshua Ramirez: Because there are students now who who are saying, you know what I actually give this a try. And now I have the ability to get work that I need done
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Joshua Ramirez: Outside of my school life and at the same time make progress towards my degree with classes that offer me that flexibility.
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Joshua Ramirez: And as much as I miss my students face to face, and I miss seeing my colleagues.
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Joshua Ramirez: I don't think that we're going to be the same campus after code at 19 I think that there's a big change that's coming because we live with online instruction for nearly a year now.
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Joshua Ramirez: And granted, a couple of hiccups here and there and maybe some needs to support both faculty and students so that we can work as partners in the learning process. But we're also finding
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Joshua Ramirez: Wow, I can have a life.
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Joshua Ramirez: And not that
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Joshua Ramirez: We're supposed to be available 24 seven but for the first time I'm I'm teaching and as hard as or even harder than I ever have. But I also get a chance to have breakfast at the same time, if I wanted to.
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Joshua Ramirez: So, so I think that there are some things that we are gaining. As a result, and whatever we thought we lost. I think we'll get back once once we have we've all had our shots.
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Joshua Ramirez: And hopefully soon. But I think that this has given us some more flexibility and we're meeting students needs more
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Hong Lieu: And Adrian, you were brought on to kind of shore up the college for working adults aspect. Are you are you working on all aspects of student ready
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Hong Lieu: Program. Could you could you clarify kind of year where you fit in and all this as well.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Sure, sure. So actually, I kind of thought of something funny as Josh was mentioning this idea of like having breakfast and having a little bit more of a
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Sense of life right when you're at work and I'm thinking of how you go from a meeting to, like, Oh, I've got 10 minutes like let me load my dishwasher. Oh, I got like
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: 10 minutes like
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Like you never, you know, I never imagined that I would be working and and be in an environment where you would you would be multitasking like you would in any job but you
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Multitasking with include things like taking 10 minutes to load or unload the dishwasher IN BETWEEN MEETINGS, but
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah, I've been brought in to essentially help support. I think the largest part which is the college for working adults.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Program or activity of the grant. And so I'm relatively I still say I'm relatively new, because it still feels real new to me. But it's been about six months since I've been back on campus. And so it's been
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Back on campus. I say, I guess, in the sense of a virtual sense, but I have been working with our amazing grant assistance to really help develop a full fledged outreach and
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: enrollment process for our college for working adults program. So we're really looking at supporting our post traditional students and
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I like to use the word post traditional because I think a lot of people think of the students that we're looking to support and that we are supporting as being non traditional students and a big part of the work that I do is
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Really for at least for me is is really fully enthralled with equity and really thinking about ways to talk about our students in a very asset based way.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And when we think of talking about students as being, you know, quote unquote, non traditional that really has a stigma associated with it.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: In terms of our students being different, or other than that, that language. And so we talked about our students as being our post traditional students. So these are students who are looking to come back.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: To the college is like some of our students have been enrolled for some time and have laughed and have gone on to work or to start families.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Or live, you know, adult lives and then decide for you know a variety of reasons that they want to come back to school and a large part of that has been because of coven
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And so folks are looking to come back to school and really pursue either continue to pursue something that they started
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: A while ago, or actually to start something new. So some of our students that we've been working with have said, you know, I've always worked
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: In a particular employment sector for the last, you know, 15 or 20 years and now I'm really interested in changing my career path so
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Really we're working with, with folks that are coming in with a variety of life experience and a variety of educational experience.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And so I have been brought in to essentially make sure that the students at Santa Barbara City College, as well as
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Folks that are out in the community who maybe don't know that there's an opportunity to come back and be part of a program that has been specifically designed to support them. So we're doing things like offering evening support and we can support, which is something that
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Is offered at Santa Barbara City College, to a certain extent, but we're really looking to create programming activities and support that really is intended to support
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Their needs and and you know what it's like to go to school, as a parent, what it's like to go to school and an online platform when maybe your experience with technology has been
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Minimal and now you're being thrown into more of a technology experience with school. So really that's that's the work that I've been brought in to do is make sure that essentially that folks know that this opportunity exists.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, I like to use of the term post traditional there because I feel like now I think every student is a poster is just student one
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Hong Lieu: Would like like as Josh alluded to.
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Hong Lieu: When we all come back, things are all things are going to be a little different than they were before. And we're all got to figure out what the new normal kind of
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Hong Lieu: Fully entails and we all have an idea and we have but but certain things that will change the don't feel like a big change for someone like a huge change for others and vice versa. So that post traditional you know moniker or nomenclature does seem very apt in this regard.
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Hong Lieu: And I do like the fact that in the program does the attempt to reach out to folks to to bring them back or try to get them to come back, you know,
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Hong Lieu: Who knows what happened before. What, what, what, what made you not complete school before, but it doesn't really matter. It shouldn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's, it's good to come back and it's good to kind of, you know, round yourself out that way.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah, it really does it. And I think the, the other thing too is is I know at least from my experience is when I was in school. I was always given
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: The impression that I needed to follow a very specific timeline and I needed to follow a very particular path. And when I was wrapping up high school. It was like, okay, you know, you're gonna you're going to go on.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: To you're going to go on to school, you're going to go on to higher education and that needs to happen right after you finish and then that's going to take you, you know, if you go to community college
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: It's gonna take you two years and then after two years you're going to transfer and it's like this very prescribed
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Way of thinking and and i i thought what I knew I didn't know any better. I was a first generation student I was low income.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: You know Latina, I didn't know what my options were but I was fortunate that I had somebody that just said, Do this and I did it, but I didn't even know that I had options. It was just like, this is what I'm doing.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And so really, I think what I love about this. This program is the fact that, you know, we're not necessarily having people feel like they need to be.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Operating their lives according to the needs of the college or according to the needs of the call of the of what they've been told. But really, it's like, what are your needs, what, you know, how can we best support you. And here's a program to help you be successful for that.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, it definitely sounds like from listening that I hear that, which is so refreshing is kind of
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Akil Hill: Meeting the students where they're at in their life you know and and and giving them the means to be successful when they choose to to to return back to school or attempt to go in school and and also the peace of mind.
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Akil Hill: That I here as well as you know graduate from high school, you come to City College. You go two years, then you transfer the four years, which is very cookie cutter.
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Akil Hill: Approach or streamlined approach, whereas we know that along the way, you know, life happens right and people make decisions and and family things happen and finances happen and and so I'm super excited. I'm super excited for the work that you guys are you guys are doing. It's great.
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Joshua Ramirez: I want to pick up on both what Nikki Olson has said about
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Joshua Ramirez: About how no matter what. What stage, you are in your education that whatever came before it really shouldn't matter and insurance.
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Joshua Ramirez: On when we first put this program together, having consulted our colleagues up north that Kenyatta College in Redwood City.
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Joshua Ramirez: We got a chance to sit down with a number of these posts traditional students. These were adults who had successful careers, they have families and many times they said this program was my second chance. And I prefer just to think of it as next opportunity.
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Joshua Ramirez: Because Second Chance makes it sound like you made a mistake.
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Joshua Ramirez: Yes, and you didn't really
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Joshua Ramirez: Yeah, everybody's approach towards
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Joshua Ramirez: Education is different. And I think that we don't articulate enough the expectation that you will graduate within this time frame is this is often a states expectation and an expectation of funding to report out to the public.
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Joshua Ramirez: But I can get misses the point about what education, particularly at the community college is supposed to be. We're supposed to say to anyone, whenever you want. Wherever you are, you have access to education.
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Joshua Ramirez: And sometimes even the way that we approach, how we offer classes to our students doesn't necessarily circle students were at different stages.
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Joshua Ramirez: Who have families who have full time jobs and we do have. We do have a team that is working on trying to figure out how to make scheduling cultural work better for students. And I think that's the start of the conversation, but we obviously have a lot more that we could possibly do to
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I and I think
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: So much of this this program and the intention and the work of, of the, you know, our Hispanic serving institution grants and
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Really the work that a lot of folks on campus are doing and student services and all across campus where there's this large momentum for
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: For conversations around equity and anti racist practices. I mean, you want to kind of talk about if you want to put it into a larger context of
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Are so much of our educational system right is rooted in historical racism and essentially, you know, you have all of these practices and policies or expectations or, you know, pre pre
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Prescribed paths for students that have been developed by people who don't who who likely did not have these lived experiences, who do not did not face these different
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: These different barriers and challenges and and so really a large part of the work that we're doing and and the conversations that we're having
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Is really around talking about how do we change the narrative. How do we change the conversation. How do we look at changing
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: The way we're running our education systems to really reflect the people that ultimately are, you know, some of our strongest contributors, some of our most promising you know future individuals that really is just changing that conversation.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, I hear the gatekeepers. That's what I hear is that how traditionally education has been there was gatekeepers of who had access who got in and and i think even by default. That's what we if we're not consciously making
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Akil Hill: Choices to open up our campus. The default is just that. And so by the work that you guys are doing is definitely being strategic and mindful and
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Akil Hill: It's it's it's a beautiful thing. I think it's easy to forget or to think just because it's a community college that anyone can apply or that doesn't necessarily mean that people have access either, you know, and so
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Akil Hill: So many good points from both of you. Yes.
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Hong Lieu: Josh, you use the term scheduling culture. I hadn't heard before, but it means it is very apt. Not only that it exists, but that it does have very like adverse and negative consequences. You know, I
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Hong Lieu: I my first job in high school was a wiener schnitzel. And it happened to be across the street from the night school in the area.
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Hong Lieu: So I would always deal with the folks who are going to school at night to get their high school, you know, their GED and their
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Hong Lieu: Get diploma stuff English classes, things of that sort.
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Hong Lieu: So, at the outset I was, you know, I had misconceptions about what night school was in the people that went to night school. I was like, oh, it's degenerates is this and that.
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Hong Lieu: But just being able to get to know them all and talk to them.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, it's just folks that like you said word life happens where where where circumstances come up where they're not able to fit it they're not they're not all just dropping out to go drink 40s on the corner. This is not. I mean, this is
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Hong Lieu: This is hard life for a lot of folks, a lot of trauma that people are trying to unwind and deal with trauma with the where they live from them with their family life, all kinds of situations where it just ran the gamut so much. And that was really
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Hong Lieu: An eye opener for me and I'm lucky that I got that in high school.
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Hong Lieu: To see how destructive scheduling culture can be where you don't meet that expectation, where
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Hong Lieu: You graduate high school in four years. You go to community college for two years and you go straight to a four year then you graduate, and you go on from there.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, that just doesn't happen. I friends right now who are going back to school right now and who are my age going about to be 40 just going back to finish up degrees.
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Hong Lieu: And there's nothing wrong with that, you know, things just happen like you live your life certain things we we should be accommodating that and we should be accessible to all because
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Hong Lieu: I mean, if people want to learn. We should provide them opportunities to do so. And that's, that's just the bottom line.
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Hong Lieu: So it's something with a program like this just really speaks to me in terms of how many folks need it and how many folks might be scared to even take advantage of it.
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Hong Lieu: Because they think they've already missed that boat or they're like, oh, I'm too old around to this. I'm to that, I mean that that's that gay keeping that Akil talks about is there are some psychological barriers, where we're not stopping you from applying
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Hong Lieu: But we might say that seed might have already been planted in someone's head where they say I shouldn't apply because I'm this or that, or you know, so it's it's overcoming that scheduling culture which which as an agent person I'm guilty of perpetuating myself at times but
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Hong Lieu: But yeah, absolutely. Cosine 100%
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Joshua Ramirez: You remember those at sitcoms, where they showed what the night college used to look like. Where was it kind of felt like it was the dregs of society. Tell me who wanted to teach that and
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Joshua Ramirez: You know that's that's not what we have here and you know i i tried to think about that scheduling culture in terms of what I teach
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Joshua Ramirez: I teach the research methods course for psychology and it's the capstone course, everybody has to take it in order to be able to graduate with the in psychology
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Joshua Ramirez: But for the longest time because it had a six hour commitment every week. It was like this is impossible for most students to be able to attend.
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Joshua Ramirez: And for the first time in a long time because we put it online. And because it also had a lab offered at a distance at 6pm. That was the first section that really filled as quickly as possible.
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Joshua Ramirez: And it just said there's a need for this and there's a need for for for scheduling. That makes sense for a lot of working adults because
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Joshua Ramirez: I'm thinking, how many did not think about going on to transport finishing their degree because we didn't schedule it like this.
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Joshua Ramirez: And this was a requirement for for many students to be able to take or it was really informative for them before they moved on to transfer and how many students that we lose in the mess just by not thinking
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Joshua Ramirez: About what scheduling that we were offering so that that was important for me. And there were lots. I teach. I teach a trio or moms this semester there they're wonderful. They, they are the hardest working people that I know and they will meet me work too and gladly so
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Joshua Ramirez: But they reminded me of some of the students that came to us early in the development of the program where some of them who walked into our outreach forums, basically.
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Joshua Ramirez: You know, we're sort of peering around the corner, thinking, Is it okay for me to come in on it shine a light on a lot of things about the setup of this campus as well. And it's not unique to SPC sequences, what's true of a lot of community colleges.
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Joshua Ramirez: You don't feel welcome at that and institutions of higher learning on they're almost afraid about where to park.
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Joshua Ramirez: And and whether or not there's there's someone to welcome them on campus for there and there's not enough signage to go around.
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Joshua Ramirez: To be able to tell people, you know, you're welcome here. If
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Joshua Ramirez: If our younger students are having difficulties navigating just the first couple days of the semester, then imagine how overwhelming. This might be for students who have returned and
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Joshua Ramirez: And if we're worried they don't fit in here, or that they can compute or that they've just got too much on their plate just to be able to make this a priority. So it shine the light on a lot of things that that we could do better.
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Joshua Ramirez: And that's why I thank my lucky stars for the day that we finally got Adrian higher
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Joshua Ramirez: Because because she she also pointed out in previous work running grants and building programs for institutions, the things that matter most students and a big part of that is saying, you got to have a welcoming outward face for the campus. She reworked our website.
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Joshua Ramirez: And it's because of her that we have a translator, who's also translating that website into Spanish may all the things that we, that I think we should be doing to make this a more welcoming campus.
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Akil Hill: I love that. I love the point. I love the point that she made there about how Santa NSPCC is not the only institution that are faced
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Akil Hill: With these challenges and and and and and so the significance of that when I hear you say that is
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Akil Hill: Look, this is across the board. This has been playing being played out it well within the state well well within the nation. It's embedded in the culture. But the difference is how do we respond. And how do we
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Akil Hill: We can either choose just to get in line with everyone else, or we can choose to be the beacon of light, where people want to model themselves after us. And I think this is what
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Akil Hill: Special is what we have brewing with you guys. It's just that his other institution will take see this and say well what Santa Barbara City College doing, how do they do that.
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Akil Hill: And so that's why it's so significant that the work that you guys are are doing is so significant in a lot of ways.
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Hong Lieu: So in terms of a first step, if I'm a potential students interested in signing up for the college for working adults. I mean, is there an orientation as an application, what is the first step that someone would take if you want to start this kind of journey.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Great question. So HONOR, ON OUR WEBSITE WE HAVE there's, you know, there's a variety of ways to contact myself or get in contact with any of our staff. We do have a option for folks to fill out a form. And so one of the things that that Josh mentioned, is we're, we're really working.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Pretty diligently to to translate all of our materials to make it as accessible as possible to as many different audiences as we can. We're trying to be mindful also of the range of and we're talking about working adults that that that can be a really wide range
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Of different age groups and different different types of folks. So we're trying to be very mindful about how we are working with accessibility and access to information so
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Folks can go on to our website, they can fill out a form and that form comes directly to me and I reach out and engage in conversation. And really, it starts with
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Having a meeting because to me it's really important to talk to students and and see where they are.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: You know what a little get a little bit of background little life information.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: See what what work they've already done so, I best know how to support them in their onboarding process. And so if anyone is interested
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: They can definitely come on to our website, they can reach out to me that way. And I'm happy to set up a meeting, I can, you know, meet via zoom or phone or whatever is most convenient students, I can do it in English, I can do it in Spanish.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And really it's just figuring out where folks are and building from that. And I think that's a unique approach because I think being able to have that context of where
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: People are really helps facilitate where where the greatest need is and how I can best support that. So it's really almost like a holistic approach in the onboarding process.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: So it's really just making sure that we fully understand where our students are where their needs are, where their interests lie and then
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Getting them on board and making sure that they've applied SPC and gone through the the application and enrollment process.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And connecting them to focus on campus. Other departments, if they need additional assistance, making sure that they're talking to counseling and they're talking to financial aid.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And what's really great about our program that I didn't mention earlier but we we really are in addition to just providing that that whole list or
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: As a way to demonstrate that we're providing the holistic support we we are providing a textbook lending library for all of our students. So we're providing access to textbooks.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: We've got some great information on our website that more specifically drills down financial aid for part time students. So we're really looking at
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Again, kind of creating those those opportunities to fill any areas where there's information that that they that students can can really benefit from
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Joshua Ramirez: Me sing her praises also about the high touch experience that she has with the students that have come to us two hours trying to help. One of our prospective students learn how to use him.
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Joshua Ramirez: And realizing that without that kind of close contacts that there are students that that could be one of ours but or sometimes deterred just in the just in the onboarding process itself.
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Joshua Ramirez: And not good. This is hard doing this in the middle of a pandemic, where we would have enjoyed having a chance to do this face to face but Zoom is what we've got.
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Joshua Ramirez: And I'm sure that there are others who are part of that really big onboarding process. I'm trying to say, how do we get students, you know, each with a unique history to themselves. And how do we get them to be part of this community. It takes a lot of work.
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Joshua Ramirez: So once again we don't you join the program in August. I think that's when when the hiring process.
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Joshua Ramirez: Finished. A Dream on, so I can't even begin to to detail or you just how much work. Adrian has done to be able to bring this this program forward. So she will always have me thanks for that as well.
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Akil Hill: Yes. What's the, what's the website. I know how it's gonna put the notes and all that the links. But if you can just go ahead and tell us what the website is actually right now though. I think that would be great as well.
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Hong Lieu: As ccc.edu slash students dash ready. I believe is the
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: That that is what it is and students can actually go through the navigation menu on that homepage and link right up to our college for working adults site, which has our enrollment form.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Information regarding counseling and advising and enrollment financial aid.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Also a link to all of our events which will be will be doing throughout the semester as well and being very mindful again of our different audiences and what the different needs are and
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Also really trying to create programming around family events because I think a lot of events that are going on on campus are definitely geared towards students, which is super important and super
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Needed right now, but also in thinking about our post traditional population is, you know, involving the whole family and getting getting kids involved and significant others and pets and the whole bit. So a
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Lot of great information on our website and and we're excited to be able to start offering that information in in Spanish as well. And hey, shout out if there's anybody out there who can do
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Any other translation. I am all about accessibility in terms of language. So if there's anyone else who wants to step in and maybe give us a little bit of information that we can provide in any other languages. I think we're all for it.
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Hong Lieu: My shame and not being able to rewrite Chinese rears its head again. So I respect, I must decline. I will say that I'm very
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Hong Lieu: It makes me happy to hear that. That all folks have to fill out a form and then you will contact them to me because I know that when I'm kind of interacting with organizations are like, I need help with something.
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Hong Lieu: I want to speak to a person as soon as possible. You know, like I'm always the operator. Operator operator. Operator on the customer service lines. So knowing that most folks. Take that first step.
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Hong Lieu: And fill out the form, then they then you'll get to them and you'll work with them and on what they need to do that's I mean for someone who's hesitant or, you know,
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Hong Lieu: Just know that just do this and someone will come and help you, you know, even, even if it doesn't end up working out as long as you got that help and you saw the process through that makes that makes a big difference. So
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Hong Lieu: Thank you. Adrian for providing that service smaller things you've done
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: A few things Hong. I'm with you. I'm that I'm on the phone and I pushed zero. I don't even
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Akil Hill: Know you
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Hong Lieu: Were they were they built they built in the counter routine where those computers like
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Hong Lieu: I know you want to speak to an operator. The first one to tell me some more. It's like
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Hong Lieu: Okay, I'll get you connected right away. But first, tell me.
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Akil Hill: Nice.
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Hong Lieu: So yes, I'm
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Hong Lieu: Thank you for
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Hong Lieu: informing us all about college working adults. Now we're gonna learn a little bit more about both of you. If y'all want to kind of break down.
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Hong Lieu: What brought us BCC or your path that led you here. I'm here. Why don't we start with you since since you're a new, new, new word to the campus and Josh
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Sure.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: So I've actually worked at Santa Barbara City College before and it's actually, it's kind of it. I want to say it's funny. It's humorous that
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: So many of us that work at Santa Barbara City College started with the calcium program. So I remember listening to the
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: The conversation that you had with Cosima and I know you've had a conversation with with ish over at ups.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: So actually I was a cow. Super. So I actually started as well at Santa Barbara City College through the Kelso program. So when I was an undergrad at UCSB I was a tutor for the calcium program and at that time Kelso was under
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: The Santa Barbara City College was a fiscal agent for for the program. It's actually a state funded
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Program through the California Student a commission. And so I was student. And that's how I actually became, you know, part of the NSPCC community.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And actually really fun, fun fact. And I know Cosima mentioned this in her interview with you or her conversation with you all. When she moved on to her role at NSPCC I actually took her position. So there was this this
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: handoff essentially where I was actually hired on
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: To fill her position when she moved on and that's how I spent my time for years at SBC and then I since I since then I moved around to a couple of different campuses. But, you know,
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Can be the community college system for me and the incredible students of the community college system have always just been an incredibly special place for me.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And so having the opportunity to have really become involved in HSI and Latin next and you know by PLC community work. I think I really
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Ultimately what I saw myself wanting to come back and work at a community college system and it all just ended up that I was able to
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: To come back in this particular role, but um yeah I started my my work at Cal soap and you know I know Cosima was there and ish was there and actually know while Gomez was there as well.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Just like you know I guess I could say, if you want to kind of have a sec connection. Maybe it's through through calcium that that happens.
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Hong Lieu: So there's a chance you might have actually been here longer than Josh and I and I misspoke, so my apologies if that is the case.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I guess you could say I came, I came, and then I left and then and then I came back and it still feels new though because I mean a campus, you know, back in
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: 2005 you know and and NSPCC campus now not to date myself there but you know SBC and is is a very different campus and all for the better.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Of course, in terms of where we are and where we've been, but it still feels new and there's lots of new faces and there's lots of not new faces which makes it pretty pretty fun to
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Akil Hill: A cow Persky people around.
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Akil Hill: You guys know
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Akil Hill: You guys already know this. I don't even need that we don't even need to go into it.
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Hong Lieu: Cal stars for Josh
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Hong Lieu: And I will, I will echo your, your praise for the two year college, I didn't. I wasn't sure if I would ever come back to work. I remember enjoying my higher experience going to school.
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Hong Lieu: But coming back to work at a community college, I feel like has been very good for me seeing, seeing the differences between the two year and a former institution.
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Hong Lieu: And kind of the community we serve. I mean, it really kind of warms my heart to know. I mean, I don't work that much directly, you know, with students because I'm the web on the webmaster here.
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Hong Lieu: But just knowing that you know the the community I serve here in SPC, it does kind of fill me with joy, even though they probably don't know me or my face or anything about
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Hong Lieu: don't interact in my work in any way in that small little touch that I affected lives. I do cut it. It does feel good makes me feel good inside, for sure.
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Joshua Ramirez: All right, Josh. Josh, oh I joined the campus back in 2014 and I do. I just think there was there was a constellation of things that came together that made it possible for me to be here.
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Joshua Ramirez: I was on the verge of quitting academia altogether and. And that was because after I got my PhD at UC Irvine in the cognitive sciences.
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Joshua Ramirez: I was doing teaching gigs here and there and here in there, the longest to my commutes extended from Cal State Northridge all the way down to Saddleback College in Mission Viejo
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Joshua Ramirez: Oh, wow.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, it's a long drive
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Joshua Ramirez: That is a long drive. And if you ever had any portion of the 405 on your commute them. You know what a nightmare that is
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Joshua Ramirez: Um, I was hopping from institution to institution as a part timer and and at some point.
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Joshua Ramirez: It was getting it was getting too hard to sustain that I, you know, it was nice to have an annual pass holders a card for Disneyland in between. So I could just go into Pizza Planet and grab a piece of pizza and then be off to my next class, but
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Joshua Ramirez: I knew I was in trouble when I fell asleep in the Rio Hondo College parking lot and endless security guard had to knock on my window.
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Joshua Ramirez: And say, Hey, wake up your 630 in the morning class begins soon.
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Joshua Ramirez: Teaching I was teaching nursing students who were coming off the graveyard shift and in my pickup truck. I was like, oh my god, I'm a homeless PhD.
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Joshua Ramirez: That's that. And I just figured, you know, I had to find a full time job where I've got to do something else.
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Joshua Ramirez: Um, I was applying for medical school. As an alternative, and I told myself if if I don't get a full time job at the community college this year. Then I'm going back into into pure research and I'm going to get my medical degree.
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Joshua Ramirez: And and I'd already taken my m cat. I was ready to go through the cycle to try to apply for medical school and then that year.
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Joshua Ramirez: And it's because I'm married to English faculty from Kelsey Channel Islands, someone who put things together and said, Josh, you're not doing this, this, this, or this on the interview.
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Joshua Ramirez: And yeah, I finally started listening and things came together and then I got two positions one at Irvine Valley College and one at Saddleback College and I had already taught at Irvine Valley College and it was it was Orange County and I've been there at UC Irvine for 14 years
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Joshua Ramirez: And I just decided I needed to change. And so I came to Santa Barbara City College.
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Joshua Ramirez: Um, and they've thrown everything at me from being department chair to picking up the project directors position for this grant. So, my life has not slowed down one it
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Joshua Ramirez: It's only now that we're doing everything online that all of a sudden, wow, I can, I can have my breakfast answer my email and watch anime right now so so
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Joshua Ramirez: Yeah, I'm almost ashamed. There's a reason why the screen screen is up, you probably don't want to see every action figure in 80s reference that you can
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Hong Lieu: So I mean not to get into the culture segment early, but is there is there an enemy to was it Akira or was it something else that kind of got you into it.
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Hong Lieu: Rob. Rob attack is a great entry point and then yeah, in terms of what I saw on regular TV. And then when I actually started seeking ALEC videos. It was actually Rama interesting
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Hong Lieu: Know, not to go, but I will also say I'm not telling my la bias poke through but yeah definite upgrade moved from Orange County to Santa Barbara, like, you know,
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Joshua Ramirez: The, the faculty, the staff, the I work with on a daily basis. I've just been the grandest people that I've ever met.
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Joshua Ramirez: And some of the hardest working people that I've ever met. Not a single person on this campus isn't touched by the students that we work with.
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Joshua Ramirez: And and we all do a small piece to be able to move move that person along and and so this, this has been one of the biggest liking experiences that I've had. And, you know, for all the missteps that I've had, I've had some wonderful opportunities also
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Joshua Ramirez: And so I'm ever grateful for all the work that keeps me up at two in the morning.
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Hong Lieu: I guess I question. I mean, there's probably a lot of PhDs or potential PhDs or or kind of seeing, hearing your story and kind of thinking of themselves in that position.
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Hong Lieu: Is there anything that you can point to that kind of helped kind of elevate you. I mean, was it listening to that advice.
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Hong Lieu: That your wife gave you, or whoever was it gave you that advice by interviewing or was there something that kind of
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Hong Lieu: Figure out a way around. And if there's any kind of, I mean, there's no true answer. I know that as well. But if any kind of insight you can provide based on your journey and what you've been through, what would it be
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Joshua Ramirez: I can't say that there were that there was any right way to really do this. I mean, every interview is different. And what what the committee is looking for. You just never know. I've sat on my share of committees on the other side. And sometimes it's like, Boy, if people knew what was actually
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Joshua Ramirez: hiring committees and we're. Some are really great and some are like, Where, how did you go from there to there on we wanted to hire is really
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Joshua Ramirez: I would say that you know the the interview, whether it went well or not doesn't say everything about who you are. I think that we have
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Joshua Ramirez: Some adjunct faculty on this campus school marvelous professors who are who are really worthy of that full, full time position, and I believe that they can do the job. I, I just happened to have one day.
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Joshua Ramirez: And you have for me. Just some reassurances. We don't know. It was tell people exactly what they did wrong as feedback. And I think that that's probably, probably, you know, one of the hardest things about about trying to go for that job.
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Joshua Ramirez: Because for legal because of legal concerns. There are things that we can't disclose. So unfortunately, that also means we never get a chance to get the feedback that I think people can can benefit from
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Joshua Ramirez: For me,
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Joshua Ramirez: It was about coming to a place where I could say if I didn't get this job. I know I'm going to be okay. I'm going to figure this out. I'm not in on the other side really just learning where, where is education right now.
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Joshua Ramirez: That trying to understand how what our students needs and to stay stay in touch with that conversation is important.
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Joshua Ramirez: And and now more than ever because of this push towards making the campus more equitable to make to making education more equitable
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Joshua Ramirez: There is a lot that one can discuss about one's own vision about how we can serve students and I think we just frame it as, how can I serve students better. I think that that's always a good place to start.
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Hong Lieu: Good advice. Definitely good advice to follow.
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Hong Lieu: And yeah, it does. It does. There's a little bit of luck involved. But yeah, also some things you can do to put yourself in a position to have that luck kind of influence you in a certain way, for sure.
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Hong Lieu: And we are grateful that led you here to SBC and to Adrian as well.
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Hong Lieu: So I'm moving on to our next section called good eaten eaten or eating. I think we're still
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Hong Lieu: Is, is there any sort of food or meal you had recently or anything culinary related. That's kind of giving both of you life Adrian you want us to start us off again.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Oh my gosh, things that give me life food in general gives me life I have quite a relationship with food.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: It to me. You know, I'm an eater. I, you know, some people are like, oh, you know, I've always
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I'm kind of picky about what I eat or I can't say I've had any of those problems I I'm a, I'm a good eater. And the funny thing is, is so I'm not a cook.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I probably would be one of those candidates that would end up on like a cooking show about how not to do things.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: So I'm not a cook, by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm very lucky that my husband is an excellent excellent cook. And he actually was a chef for many, many, many years. So our, our working
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: A home situation is he's the cook, and I'm the I'm the dish dish person. So I get to do all the dishes, but um yeah you know we we we make some good stuff here here at home you know we we do some eating out as well. But we do a lot of home stuff and
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: There's, I don't know if anybody goes to sprouts, but sprouts has this amazing salmon and it's like a citrus herbs salmon.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And I'm not, I'm not a regular sprouts shopper. But one day, I went I wandered in there because I just, I didn't really know I'd never been into a sprouts. And one day I was like, I'm going to walk in there and see what this is all about.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And I discovered this salmon and really like I make trips to sprouts, just to go to buy the salmon and and you can you can make it on this cedar plank.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And it is like the most amazing thing. And so, um, you know, now once you do that, it's like, it's hard to go back and have you know salmon in the oven or, you know, however you you make it
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: So for us, that the salmon citrus salmon. Salmon citrus salmon from sprouts. Say that three times fast is probably one of our newest discoveries that we make. So when we're trying to have a
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: fancy meal at home we we bring out the the citrus stem and that's kind of one of our latest discoveries, but you know, I'm a big taco person. I mean, I'm
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I Latina, I grew up on you know all types of amazing Mexican food and didn't really adventure, you know, venture out of my palate until I was much older into to being able to explore other types of
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Foods or, you know, having that interest to try other foods, but you know you'll definitely catch me as a taco person and I live in Camry oh so we would constantly be hitting up you know by aftermarket for some some good taco meat there to make some some tacos at home but
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah, that's one thing. We're still trying to figure out here in camera so if anybody has any ideas for for good Mexican food in camera Rio, let me know cuz we're still we're still on that, on that, on that adventure. We find lots of good stuff in Oxnard
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Akil Hill: Accelerate is where it's at.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, I feel like I feel like folks that are like trying to do something camera would just be like, well, I mean all my all my ingredients are in Oxnard, always. I mean, it just makes it just easier to kind of have something there. So I feel like
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah, you know, tacos are just, I mean, you know, it's like they're so simple. There's there's small you can, you know, depending on how ambitious, you are you can get it in one bite.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: You know, you get six or seven in and then like a couple hours later, all of a sudden you're hungry again, you get another six or seven in it's just
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Tacos are just, they're just so lovely. I don't know. Have any other way to describe it and and desserts. I'm a big desert person I deserve every day.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I am I have an interesting like I don't know if there's anyone else out there but I breakfast cereal for dessert. I don't know if there's any other
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: But a cereal for dessert is another another thing and pizza. Oh man, carbs anything car related bread. You put it in front of me. It's I tried. I've tried to go like gluten free. And I've tried all these different things and I make it like 24 hours and it just doesn't continue
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, I feel like Syria for desserts. Definitely theme because a lot of ice cream places now do the cereal milk ice cream. If you've had that so
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Hong Lieu: So having that like how still little blast of cereal sweet. I feel like, definitely. It's not only nostalgic, but actually it's kind of various notes and kind of, how would you, what's your processing flavor wise, so
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah I you know I grew up eating the really like sugary stuff. So, you know, like, well, and store brand. So we didn't get name brand. Growing up, my parents were very much like nope. We're getting store brand. So I did store brands of like what would be the equivalent of like fruit.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Loops, or like Fruity Pebbles stuff like that and actually recently I was in store and I saw a box of Fruity Pebbles. And I thought, you know, it's been a while since I have those. So I bought myself a boss came home port it. I don't know what is in those
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: They taste good, but I'm thinking like, wow, it's probably been like a good like at least like I don't know 20 years since I've had some some Fruity Pebbles but
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah, blast from the past. If you want to ever go back and relive some of your stuff from from childhood Fruity Pebbles as a shout out there.
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Hong Lieu: Fruity Pebbles was my number one cereal and I and you know like you know there's Frosted Flakes cookie, Chris. There's a million breakfast cereals, I love Fruity Pebbles because it was so sweet. So flavor that yeah I can definitely vouch absolutely
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Joshua Ramirez: On on the cereal thing. I'm going to go with Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
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Joshua Ramirez: Draw yeah I'm being an Oxnard residents and also finding that they have a chain of restaurants, also in Santa Barbara Taqueria carrying the vodka.
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Joshua Ramirez: That's a good one. I, oh yeah, I would recommend that to the latest thing I've had to be really careful about when I go out just because of the current public health crisis, but I couldn't talk at this time the latest thing has been finding a good fried chicken sandwich.
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Joshua Ramirez: So on a date day we went to sprint rich luck in the battle near Pasadena.
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Joshua Ramirez: We, we got them on pickup and we took them to this Council gardens, which is like Huntington Library
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Joshua Ramirez: Around the whole lot of people while while the pandemic is going on. And it was like, Oh my gosh, this is a forested area with a picnic area, and I've got my fried chicken sandwich. I'm in heaven.
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Joshua Ramirez: So, that was fun for a date day was it was a little opportunity to get out blocks in our for a little bit and get away from all the winds that we've been having and and so yeah that that's that's one recommendation that I can offer
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Hong Lieu: Did you get it spicy.
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Joshua Ramirez: I brought the other one home. Oh, yeah. So
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Akil Hill: I got mad respect for you, Josh, man. I'm telling you, dude. If you're going to drive all the way to LA or Pasadena area. Don't come up with one sandwich. You gotta go at least two sandwiches.
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Joshua Ramirez: We did that and we also got our Christmas dinner from them also which
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Joshua Ramirez: Chicken greetings macaroni and cheese. And yeah, it was, it was as non traditional non Christmas Eve meal as we could go so
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Akil Hill: Josh is out here good w's in the streets, man.
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Hong Lieu: And KFC in Japan would like a word about your Christmas tradition. I feel like it's very, very holiday oriented, so
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Joshua Ramirez: It's like, oh, my mom's always like, so what do you want for what we want for Christmas. Today I'm well.
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Joshua Ramirez: How about roast beef and potatoes. Yes. And we can make spaghetti to and Frank
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Akil Hill: Hey people out here, sleeping, Anjali BS.
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Joshua Ramirez: On Filipino spaghetti and and they're fried chicken. The only jolly be that I know is actually near Disneyland.
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Joshua Ramirez: So I gotta, I gotta look it up. I gotta find out where the next job. He is. Yeah. Any
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Hong Lieu: They usually put them in the sequence city markets do so if you got a secret city by you can hop in there. And did you do the job to be hanging out with I get my chicken joy. You can do it with the spaghetti and alcohol. That's right.
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Joshua Ramirez: Yeah, department stores they go together.
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Hong Lieu: Johnny B is the behemoth now they're like buying out like Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf like there's all kinds of stuff going over like yeah
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Hong Lieu: And so I guess one more question. I had about honey Berg, for me, before we move on in terms of taking it away with the crispiness day attacker was there was, there were any issues with Christmas.
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Joshua Ramirez: You know, um, if you he didn't in the pre heated of 250 degrees for 10 minutes It'll be just fine. I wouldn't push past 48 hours, but boy that was that second chance. Was that second sandwich. Really good.
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Akil Hill: Did you viewers viewers listeners hear that he didn't even say microwave. He said the oven 250 degrees for 10 minutes. That is an indication of your you're a foodie if you if you go there because most people would throw in the microwave and then the bread get soggy. The
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Hong Lieu: He's like, No microwave should never touched bread and fried foods.
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Hong Lieu: You know when these two bottles frozen pizzas and my mommy during the microwave in
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Hong Lieu: Because it was partly MY FAULT, TOO, because I was like, I'm hungry when it's like 30 minutes in the oven or five minutes.
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Hong Lieu: So it's my fault. I will take responsibility for that.
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Hong Lieu: But now as an adult. I mean, that's why I got a toaster oven, because I don't always want to be turning off and on, but for can't put in the microwave.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Be frying them, but I don't know. I don't know if anybody has air fryer use one or know someone who
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Hong Lieu: Hi. I had one and we gave it to my wife's grandma because she was, she know she needed one. And so I did enjoy it. But if you have a toaster oven that has convection. It's really just like high powered convection, the fan just blows a little
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Hong Lieu: Butter and it gets and it just keeps is he
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Hong Lieu: I mean, anything you would do in a toaster oven with conviction is probably par for the course for air, fire like I had a friend tried to fried chicken legitimately an air, fire, and he said it came out terrible
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Hong Lieu: So it's like frozen foods and then like you have to spray the stuff with oil to so there's always these caveats. If you're trying to, like, you know, substitute for nutritional frying
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Hong Lieu: So it's, it's not all the way there. But if you if you if you do a lot of if you fit the use case for an air fryer, we're migrating frozen yummy. Your, your heating up a lot of frozen food or do you want like wings.
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Hong Lieu: Or certain things that fly up pretty well like Chris tofu. Then, absolutely. I would say go for it. But I mean it was hard for me because we have
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Hong Lieu: My, my counter has a lot of appliances already so I didn't know if I had enough room for another appliance that just did that because I rehab a toaster oven convection
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Hong Lieu: But there are times when I see my friends post photos of like these chicken wings. I just put in the air fryer. I'm like, Oh man, I wish I got the airframe but
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Hong Lieu: I haven't pulled the trigger yet on a second.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah, I kind of feel like something's you just gotta leave to the experts.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: You know, it's like if you want some fried chicken. It's like you got to go by the the the fried chicken or whatever, you know, the wings wing
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah okay like we buy frozen wings. You put them in the toaster oven. It's not the same thing. You know, like, go into wing stop are
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Hong Lieu: Saying, and if you ever Friday. Friday. Friday at home, the cleanup.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah. Bob, not just splatter while it's cooking. But what do you do that cooking oil after what are you doing with all this stuff after you know like your breading station with the eggs in one ball and the flower. And I was like, man.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, I'm not trying to deal with frying at home anymore. I got a turkey fryer setup. So when I wonder fried go outside of rye, that helps. But there's still splatters a little my floor in my backyard that I'm not trying to deal with right now so
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Hong Lieu: So yeah, definitely leave that to the experts, I would say.
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Hong Lieu: What do you think's Akil you want to go.
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Akil Hill: Yeah. Oh, I can. I'll go ahead and jump in here, there's one thing I was thinking about when you guys are talking about
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Akil Hill: Cereal for dessert is the law Mucha kind of ass tech and Oxnard
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Akil Hill: And, you know, everyone knows like
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Akil Hill: The mango nadas and, you know, all that good stuff, but they also have, you know, like the popsicles.
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Akil Hill: But they have this one specific one that is Fruity Pebbles flavor. So it's like, like, like, like they have the like the, you know,
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Akil Hill: It tastes. Basically, I tried one maybe a few weeks ago and it literally does tastes like you're basically drinking the milk with all that flavor of the Fruity Pebbles at the end so
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Akil Hill: That spot is a spot that is just, I think it's on a lot under a lot of people's radar radars, man. If you're ever in Oxnard, and you want popsicles. If you want are going to frescoes if you want
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Akil Hill: flaming hot cheetos with with with cheese and and jalapenos. You are talkies like don't sleep on La Micha kind of Aztec Ochsner Boulevard. That's the one that we usually hit up
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Akil Hill: But, uh, I gotta throw that out there. First, but the spot that I'm actually really want to suggest that I tried a few days ago which Josh, you're going to be into because it's located in Oxnard as well in the collections.
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Akil Hill: And the name of that spot is sent you the link. It's called burning, burning mouth. It's a natural hot
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Akil Hill: It's a natural hot chicken spot that just opened up. It opened up on Friday.
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Akil Hill: And it is I tried it, I got the basically I got the chicken sandwich and the chicken. It's, it's huge.
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Akil Hill: It's and it was, you know, I regret I should have went up one spice level the spice levels go like the title. It's like, you know, most places are like they always have those special names right like insane.
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Akil Hill: Intense. So I went with good, which I guess would be equivalent to like a medium. I just wanted to taste the flavor I should thinking back now actually went up to the next level.
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Akil Hill: Just because it wasn't hot enough for me. But it was tasty. They do wings, they do.
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Akil Hill: Well actually tenders tenders wings and chicken sandwiches. Those are the three main things that they specialize in and the fries are really good as well. Kind of similar to
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Akil Hill: The crinkly fries that are similar to how and raise a little bit in some ways. I don't know if you guys know of how and raise, but it's not as good as how I raised because, you know, that is the benchmark. That's like
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Hong Lieu: Nothing is as good as how that that's like the all time natural hot chicken spot but this
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Akil Hill: Place will definitely fit the bill to get you over so Oxnard in the collection in the annex, man. Yeah, right. When you walk in. You can't miss it. There's a huge giant chicken in the middle of a
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Joshua Ramirez: Annex before though.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, it was. You know what the pokey place used to be in the annex that places. God, that's where the chicken spicy actually
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Akil Hill: Yeah yeah and so
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Joshua Ramirez: What I'm hearing though is you tried it at the lower spice level and you decided to try it again. So
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Joshua Ramirez: I'm definitely in
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Akil Hill: Hey, we can meet up, we can meet up
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Joshua Ramirez: I'm so there
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Hong Lieu: And I know why you are immediate McHale because we got that hot meal chicken and that medium was not joking.
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Akil Hill: Was in LA. How was in LA. And he, what was it, what's the spot again.
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Akil Hill: I feel chicken chicken.
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Hong Lieu: Because Nashville chicken LA is having a moment. So we talked about how the meeting to talk about how to raise and holidays.
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Hong Lieu: Truly is probably some of the best fried chicken. I've ever had beyond just being good natural fried chicken. Some of the best fried chicken ever had.
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Hong Lieu: But the way in line, used to be pretty intense at Postmates now before it was pretty gnarly. So I'm always looking for alternatives to Highland raise that don't involve two to five hour waiting line, you know, so
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Hong Lieu: So how does one of them because hot meal comes from Kim prints, who's a nice of the original family who started natural, natural hot chicken in Nashville, the prints family. So I tried it out, brought it up. And oh, man, it was not playing around.
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Hong Lieu: Me, I thought
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Akil Hill: That video was like hombre. He's like was spice over. Do you want. I was like, I'll just give me a medium. You know, I feel media was always safe, but man, not, not with that, man. I got me, man. I got me.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: So was it one of those heats were like it's instant or was it one of those like crept up on you.
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Akil Hill: I think it was what, to me, it was, it was the one that was instant soon so you taste it. You know that flavors there.
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Hong Lieu: And it will linger yeah cuz I always get the hottest one I want to see what the challenge is all about.
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Hong Lieu: And yeah, it's one of the things were in the moment it was hot, but then like an hour later, I just be sitting on the couch in my stomach like Hey you remember that chicken, you jerk and punch me
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: My reaching for the tongue.
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Akil Hill: Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Like I'd stand up at a certain angle my son's like Hey, don't forget about this. I'm like, Oh, I remember
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Akil Hill: They also have a. It's called they have a bank. It's called bank bank chicken sandwich. So it's more of like a Korean style know that's available and that's on the menu to so
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Akil Hill: I think it's and it was pretty busy. When I went. So I think word is is getting out. But if you're ever in a bind. And you want that crispy chicken sandwich.
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Akil Hill: Definitely try to hit that spot up. And then the last thing is they have this thing called, it's called a G pie on the menu and what it is. It's basically a huge breast of chicken. I think that's just fried. That's it. There's no, there's no there's no bread. There's no
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Akil Hill: Like condiments. There's no lettuce or pickles, or anything like that. So,
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Akil Hill: It comes with just that by itself. So
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Akil Hill: That's something something to check out
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Joshua Ramirez: If you guys are purists
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Akil Hill: Yes, absolutely.
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Akil Hill: That's my recommendation for the week how what you got for us.
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Hong Lieu: I do want to quickly mention that
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Hong Lieu: Santa Barbara has allowed me to account as well on purpose. And we just have a new hot chicken player in town called Maddie saw chicken. I haven't had a chance to try yet, but I will definitely be on that as soon as I can because
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Hong Lieu: You know, it's, it's one of those Instagram vendors and and with everyone ordering off of these, you know, pop ups nowadays.
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Hong Lieu: They do sell out. So I'm not. I'm not. I've been wanting to try a bunch of things they have like one guy in towns. We mochi donuts.
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Hong Lieu: You know, the hot chicken and they're all selling out for and get there. I mean, I don't have Instagram. So I had to go to my wife, but regardless, they're all filling out and I can't get there in time.
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Hong Lieu: So yeah, but my my pic of this week is something I earlier to start the new year off. It's called hoppin john. It's a black eyed peas do that originates from the south and people eat it for the new year for good luck. It's a truly serve Black Eye Peas rice in the side of collard greens.
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Hong Lieu: And so I believe the name. I was, I was looking at the origins of the of the name hop and john. I'm like, Please don't want to be problematic. Please always be problematic.
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Hong Lieu: But evidently, it's a presentation of the term for Black Eyed Peas is a floppy Xian in French, and so it's kind of a portmanteau somehow became hoppin john over time.
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Hong Lieu: And it's just one of those things where, you know, the simple staple carbs or lentils like Black Eyed Peas and things that are black eyed peas and rice.
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Hong Lieu: It's gonna it's gonna fill you up no matter what. So, so at a basic level, it's very nourishing and sustaining but anything you throw in there, whether you throw in some
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Hong Lieu: Some meat to flavor. Flavor the broth or you throw in some garlic, onion spice. Anything you want, just, it's like it's like a clean palette you know you have rice and Black Eye Peas of the base.
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Hong Lieu: So, you know, you're kind of getting that feeling bit and you throw whatever flavors you want on the top server with the side of greens and evidently it's good luck for the year so
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, I mean, I also wanted to mention it because one of the things we added was onion.
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Hong Lieu: And when I while I was chopping than you, because I'm the prep cook in the family. So I do all the heavy chopping and all the labor and stuff.
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Hong Lieu: I was thinking about, you know, when you watch cooking show. They always tell you know you Dyson and you have to go like
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Hong Lieu: Cuts this way cuts sideways and you chop to finish it. And I've never been that I've always been just smack up and down just rock the knife all over the cutting board like I'm a mayhem chopper and I was just kind of
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Hong Lieu: I mean that's brilliant. Going back to the earlier conversations we had about, you know, schedule culture and things of that sort. I mean, what, why are we
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Hong Lieu: Are so many correct ways to do things, you know, quote, unquote. Correct. Like if I want to chop an onion by like rockin and I've back and forth just
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Hong Lieu: demolishing the cutting board and having. I mean, yes, there's going to be a flavor difference, you know, but but in terms of percentages. It's like
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Hong Lieu: 10 to 20% it's not going to ruin the ditch. If I just like beat the heck out of this anyone I'm chopping and 30 and I mean, yeah, yeah. Some, some of the essence of any will be lost.
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Hong Lieu: Some of the flavor profile will be modified. But whenever it gets the job done. Folks, if that if that doesn't hurdle to you to you.
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Hong Lieu: Starting to cook or turn it to do stuff where you don't feel you can shop any properly or you don't feel like you let the stock sit or your room is a little lumpy. I mean,
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Hong Lieu: Let it go. So that was that was not only that happen john is a dish but also while I was helping my wife prep the ingredients. I was just thinking about stuff and you know that's that's what made me kind of plant the seed right there so
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Hong Lieu: But yes, I'll put the recipe in the show notes. Absolutely.
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Joshua Ramirez: Nice rough chop works for me. It looks the same in the stomach is anything
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Hong Lieu: I could, yeah.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, basically what what you can do to minimize restrain and get the job done because yeah that's that's the thing when you're tired of cooking. That's when you're in a bad place.
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Hong Lieu: All right, and that will segue us into our last segment, which is our higher learning segment where we kind of asked you all for any any sort of piece of culture that resonates for you both in the moment or throughout your life.
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Hong Lieu: We've been doing good with Adrian kick us off. So you want to start us off again. Adrian
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Sure. Well, I know I had kind of a list of things I wanted to have a list of things.
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Hong Lieu: You got we're here for you.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: You know, no. Well, the first thing on there was books and I was like oh man books. So I was an English major.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: at UCSB and I read a heck of a lot of books. And so I don't know if it was just getting burned out on on book reading through undergrad and grad school.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: But I lost touch with doing a lot of, you know, reading for pleasure, I guess you could say. But I ended up getting really interested in involved, especially once I started
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Becoming more involved in an equity work and anti racist work and all that kind of stuff. So, and what's really interesting is my my previous position before coming to Santa Barbara City College. I did a lot of work with men of color. And so that was a
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: An experience for me that was was really interesting that really, you know, requiring me to do some extra research and
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And become involved in really thinking looking and thinking critically about issues that impact our men of color.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And so I started doing a lot of reading around toxic masculinity and the impact of of toxicity.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: On men and, in particular, men of color. So I did a la did quite a bit of reading others actually a faculty member at Cal Lutheran who authored a book called men and masculinity. He's Dr. Dan Tila Pa.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And he it was a really awesome book that really just covered how to talk about toxic masculinity is in the realm of Student Affairs.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And working with with students in higher education. So that kind of got me into the road of thinking a little bit more about that topic, so there's there's some really good readings there.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: And then that kind of transition into really thinking about culturally responsive teaching practices and
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Serving by PLC communities at Hispanic serving institution. So I've done some some pretty good readings by Gina Garcia.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I am a huge super fan of Dr Bettina love if you all have not
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Have not actually read anything by Dr Bettina love. We want to do more than survive abolition is teaching
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I told myself that I was going to mark the important stuff. And as you can see here every page is mark because everything is important.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: But Dr patina love is my my woman crush Wednesday. She's probably my woman crush every day, but really talking about abolition is teaching practices and really talking about helping our students thrive in education. So I've been doing a lot more academic type stuff.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: TV wise, I've really gotten into a show recently called Menorca. I don't know if anybody's heard of more Nautica. It's actually, I believe it's produced by Salma Hayek
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: But it's actually a Spanish novella type of situation. But it's available in multiple languages on on Netflix. So that's been my latest that's really interesting. It's about a family in Holly school, man. He called that owns a tequila empire and being a novella
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: It truly follows that that theme of some some scandal some drama, a little bit of everything for everybody in there.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: So there's, you know, there's been a good mix of things going on.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I think recently and I'm a big I love to watch YouTube bloggers. I'm a YouTube blog follower. So if anyone elses is interested, my, my biggest or my latest following has been Christine Kim.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: He is has a blog called Galliano blogs, if anybody's gonna give a shout out to Chris in there because he actually started his vlog in Korea.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Wanting to teach his viewers about Korea in Spanish. And I was just fully enthralled in this and he actually ended up moving
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: To Mexico and continuing his blogging there and it's it's really kind of a wonderful blend of Korean and Mexican culture.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: In Spanish, and his, his daily adventures and it involves a lot of food. So when I'm on the elliptical, and I'm working out and I'm watching videos.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Of good Mexican eats like that's kind of my my go to. So those have been my my top things those are those are the fun things that I I've been involved in
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Hong Lieu: That that's like a full like syllabus of stuff. I feel like I'm excited to kind of dig into some of these these Cuz, cuz you
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Hong Lieu: Know some things that I I haven't heard much about, but the topics are sound really really kind of awesome. So thank you so much for sharing all that
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Akil Hill: Can't wait to see those links.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, I will say that the title of that book. What we want to do more than survive.
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Hong Lieu: I really resonates with me because it's something that I still have problems with because you know as a son of refugees like
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Hong Lieu: We were just grateful to be here and all I wanted to do was survived. Like, I literally didn't see much more for myself beyond just making sure I could survive. You know, like
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Hong Lieu: Even even when I when people were telling me you know. Well, what do you want to make, and you get older, what do you, I'm like, you know,
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Hong Lieu: 25 30,000 i'd be happy and you know and then and now I looking back, like you're fooling your knitting. You don't talk about
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Hong Lieu: But the same time. That's what, that's the whole thing. I was, you know, that's where I've done my entire mechanism was built around
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Hong Lieu: Just surviving against the next day, because you know when you grow up in that environment that's not a guarantee that's that's that's that's
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Hong Lieu: Extravagant request, you know, to, to feel safe to feel comfortable, you know, so, so now that I truly am in a place with, you know, my family's my family's stable and happy.
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Hong Lieu: I have a roof over my head. Like, I'm actually in a place now where I can think about these things on a higher level and be like, Hey, you know,
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Hong Lieu: There, there's more. There's more to it than that. And sometimes you know my wife ought to remind me like
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Hong Lieu: Yours, I'm still thinking way too about survival is like
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Hong Lieu: Don't. Don't think about that disassociate like like I just like there's times where I just want to separate and just how to love. Make sure I have my my staples done
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Hong Lieu: But there really is more to it than that. Like, it is time to kind of branch out and kind of extend myself a little more. So there's a book. I'll definitely be checking out kind of, you know, trying to digest a little bit
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Akil Hill: All right, Josh.
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Joshua Ramirez: Well,
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Joshua Ramirez: As well this this academic year, I returned to teaching our psychology 125. This is our psychology of human sexuality course.
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Joshua Ramirez: And it's been a number of years since I've gotten a chance to teach him and
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Joshua Ramirez: On lately I've been seeing series putting out a couple of series of memos to the campus about about conversations with with some of our members of the community that that recognize themselves as trans
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Joshua Ramirez: So lately I've been reading up on some of the works of Janet Mock she identifies as a as a trans woman. The, the title of the book is Redefining Realness and
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Joshua Ramirez: A lot of it would get if you wanted to. If you wanted to break down what she is trying to offer and on about her life. Um, it was about. It was about self discovery and self respect.
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Joshua Ramirez: And, you know, one of my students reminded me when when we speak about trans individuals Janet Mock is not a trans woman, she's a woman. First, more than anything else.
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Joshua Ramirez: And that had to sit down with me that had to settle down with me for a little bit. And the more that I think about how we're looking at that gender.
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Joshua Ramirez: How that's evolving that the language is evolving, too. And we're all just trying to catch up.
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Joshua Ramirez: And also the reason why I was interested in Janet Mock memoir was because we just went through this, this
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Joshua Ramirez: Upper or during summer of 2020 with Black Lives Matter and recognizing that black lives matter as well.
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Joshua Ramirez: And so I thought that as a as a good update to the core central so openly and almost free myself saying I don't know everything, but I'm willing to learn
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Joshua Ramirez: That that set the paces for for all of us safe thing to be able to have a friendly and respectful dialogue. We're going to waive that that I hadn't opened up the opportunity for in the class.
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Joshua Ramirez: So that's been my reading of late. It was only recently that I stepped down from the chair position and psychology and finally got a chance to to
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Joshua Ramirez: To to how have a chance to be able to do reading for pleasure and reading for for my classes and my colleague Sam bursts and he's always throwing HBO and Netflix shows for me to watch and I never got a chance to get around to them.
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Joshua Ramirez: But, but now I'm I'm getting that opportunity to I'm in the middle of watching tenants.
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Joshua Ramirez: One of the, one of the latest Christopher Nolan movies. I got to give it to him, you know, for tapping into really big ideas.
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Joshua Ramirez: With inception. It was about trying to
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Joshua Ramirez: In in the dreamscape get people to believe that they came up with an idea of their own.
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Joshua Ramirez: This one deals with perceptions of time and it was a cognitive scientists and psychologists, I'm always interested in how we think about the passage of time.
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Joshua Ramirez: So so i'm i'm also watching his movies as well as one way to be able to catch up with myself and I promised the standard version that I would watch the Queen's Gambit. I haven't done it yet. I will get around to it when I
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Joshua Ramirez: When I finally have a Sunday.
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Hong Lieu: With with tenants streaming, or did you rent it.
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Joshua Ramirez: On I I decided to pick it up on on on my
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Joshua Ramirez: Got on my Apple TV and and I've been enjoying
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Joshua Ramirez: A little string. This is great.
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Hong Lieu: I want to watch and I followed his movies for I've seen every movies ever done. And I've loved him for a long time. So I definitely wanted to wait because folks that I saw it in theater. So that subtitles would be handy.
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Hong Lieu: So I'm waiting. But I think I'm just gonna going to rent it first. Instead of waiting for to come and streaming. So, yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And then in terms of talking about the, you know, trans rights in that conversation. I feel like it complements Adrian Adrian was discussing with toxic toxic masculinity.
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Hong Lieu: I feel like those kind of things can be kind of related in terms of how that conversation has been shaped over the years.
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Hong Lieu: And so it's good that we're kind of in this moment where we can reflect on things and realize, you know, the way things have been done.
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Hong Lieu: Is just not right. So we need to do we need to kind of work on that. And I feel like that's what you said specifically about
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Hong Lieu: Be humbling yourself and be open to learning, I think, is the first step in all of this for everybody. You know, like before.
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Hong Lieu: Before you throw all these facts and this is that everyone to have these conversations like be open to, kind of, you know,
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Hong Lieu: To learning to changing possibly changing the way you think about something or how you speak about something.
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Hong Lieu: You know, like, like the way we did before. That's that doesn't make it right. And absolutely, absolutely. Doesn't make right now I think back to all the things
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Hong Lieu: In terms of how I grew up and you know QQ price speakers as well. There's lots of things that we kind of went to as we grew up that, you know, just like we just par for the course. We just kind of took it as
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Hong Lieu: That's just how things are and and and this opportunity to reflect on that and be like, yeah, that was told, I mean, we were on knowingly or unknowingly traumatizing large swaths of the people that we consider, you know, community members to us. And you know, that's just
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Not cool. Yeah. Yeah. And it's always. I mean, it's always good. Just, you know, learning about different different communities. You know, I think, in just that sense of we think about things like
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: That impact different communities. Right. And it's that concept of, well, if it doesn't directly impact us like are we really thinking about that. Are we really aware of that and are we really thinking about all of these different communities.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Being just that our community right and that that community of
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Wanting to be more invested in the betterment of everyone for all of our sakes, because when everyone's doing well and everyone's thriving, then we're all thriving right and so
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah, I agree. I think taking the time to learn about different communities, different cultures. You know, I've learned a lot. I follow another blogger, a woman who is
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Mexican born and raised in Mexico and lives now with her husband in Japan and who's Japanese and so she
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: shares a lot about Japanese culture and I'm like learning things about you know Korean culture and Japanese culture and things and it's just it's just amazing. It's just is so incredible to be to have the opportunity to know that there are folks who are opening up
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: The dialogue and opening up the opportunity to really learn about all of these different experiences and they're all significant and even if they don't directly impact us
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: You know, I don't know that I'll ever make it to Japan or I'll ever make it to Korea. I hope I do because it would be super awesome to go and visit, but even just to have the opportunity to live.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: vicariously through someone and see their story and their experiences is just super
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Super engaging and enthralling and i think it's it's just a big part of, you know, just conceptually being a culturally aware, a culturally responsive person is just being open to that new knowledge and those those new experiences.
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Akil Hill: Yeah i i agree with you on that friend so many different levels, you know, first of all, I hope you do go to Japan or get the opportunity, go to Japan. I was born in Japan and
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Akil Hill: My daughters have my daughter's biracial she's half Japanese and we would travel, we used to travel to Japan, like every summer. So, um, well, like I got a little bit biased to Japan, just because I have a special soft spot in my heart for Japan but
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Akil Hill: And the other thing too, I think is super significant that we need to remind ourselves is is seeing people as culture.
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Akil Hill: In in a complete way. And so what I mean by that is we have the tendencies to love tacos, but not want economic
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Akil Hill: Or political success for the for certain cultures, but within we explored their culture by eating their food. So just a note to just looking at people's culture holistically, you know,
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Akil Hill: And and i think you know that is a piece of it that we have to try to be mindful, it's, it's like we can't pick and choose what we decide what we like.
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Akil Hill: About culture versus looking at the whole totality of it and being appreciative of it all in that regard. And so
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Akil Hill: You know, Japan is a great I've always you know it's it's a special place. You know, the more we I think we travel, just in general.
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Akil Hill: Our perspective broadens, you know, and I think that in some ways is the Achilles heel to a lot of American people in our culture here is that we don't travel enough
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Akil Hill: We don't get out enough and and it's through opposites, right, that, you know, I think. So you can't you can appreciate your country, but until you leave it and see how things are done differently.
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Akil Hill: And when you return back, you have a much more profound appreciation of where you live, what you have and your, your worldview, so
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah, and I think what you said is so important. Right. The at the appreciating right versus the the fetish sizing, which I think
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Is much more common right yeah that you know the exotic or the
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Finished you know feticide
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fetish sizing.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: The, the idea of learning about new cultures are embracing cultures, but doing so very authentically very intentionally very, you know, in a very meaning meaningful way. And yeah, cool if you can help me get over my fear of flying. I'm getting on a plane and I'm flying to
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Japan because
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: I'm one of the the folks that seems to have this very, I can't explain it. It's a I say it's an irrational fear because there's nothing think knock on wood, there's nothing that's ever happened to me but apparently there's there's quite a few people that have fear of fear of flying, but
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah, I'm there. I got a maybe a couple of drama mean and
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Akil Hill: That's what it is.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Chardonnay or something. Well,
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Akil Hill: That's what it is that
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Akil Hill: Is what it is because the reward it outweighs the risk reward always outweighs the risk when it comes to flying
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Akil Hill: You know, I don't have that phobia so i cant pretend you know just by saying that it makes it go away, so I you know I mean, but I always feel that the rewards flying
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Akil Hill: Is definitely greater than, you know, the phobia of it so
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Akil Hill: There's no
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Hong Lieu: There's always a cruise. But then there's norovirus concerns that you
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Akil Hill: Are much more likely to get I've cruised once before, but I'm much more likely to get on the airplane, and I am to get on a boat, for some reason, but that's just me.
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Akil Hill: So,
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Joshua Ramirez: Let me ask you if you had a recommendation about where to start. In Japan, where would you recommend
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Akil Hill: Well, if you're traveling like it's always like, so for me.
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Akil Hill: It was, you know, my wife is Japanese and so I kind of had the ends right because I knew someone right so i mean obviously
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Akil Hill: I would start in Tokyo. Tokyo so vast, you know, and there's certain, but you would definitely want to start there.
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Akil Hill: And I feel like you would want to go to
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Akil Hill: Let's see, my favorite spots. I'm trying to think of what my, my favorite spots. I'm assuming different districts. There's electronic district.
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Akil Hill: I when I first got to or when I first traveled to Japan. I thought like, Okay, I'm gonna go to all the tourist spots. But then the more I went, the more I realized
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Akil Hill: Just going to the rice fields and the other places that people don't actually
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Akil Hill: Would think of Japanese people wouldn't even want me why you want to go look at the rice fields, you know, or why do you want to go to the tea houses or why would you want to go to the shrines, just because those are the places that I you feel like you feel Japan there. You know, I met
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Akil Hill: So, oh no, I'll get you a list, though, I'll give you, I'll send you a list of certain places have
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Akil Hill: You guys definitely have to
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Joshua Ramirez: I haven't yet on Adrian, my brother beat me to it on his honeymoon.
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Joshua Ramirez: I will sort myself, I would be the first in my family to go to them, but I just didn't get around to it and I want
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: That to be part of maybe we need to start like NSPCC like staff and faculty study abroad program well gather, gather ourselves up and after a cove it or we'll, we'll do some some traveling because, yeah, that would be awesome.
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Joshua Ramirez: Yeah well pre Clovis 19 Elizabeth actually got approval from our program officer for an Education Conference and meet in Australia.
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Joshua Ramirez: So I can't say that it's for this one of the benefits of the student ready grant, we get a chance to be able to study other systems of education. And this was a rare opportunity that that was approved. So just, just saying.
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Yeah.
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Joshua Ramirez: Before this is not want to put in a request and see if we can actually see Japan.
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Hong Lieu: Is good if you have a zoom meeting to handle in Japan, you can definitely take that call. So you know that's not that's not
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Hong Lieu: limited options right away.
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Akil Hill: One spot I you definitely would have to visit it's it's common Cora, that's an area that's super cool. It has a huge Buddha, the dye boots huge giant
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Akil Hill: Buddha that's it's it's a touristy area, but it will remind you a lot like Santa Barbara, it's right there along the coast, you have to take a small tiny train to get there. It's that's definitely a spot that will you'll see and white. Wow. Kind of looks like the Mesa, a little bit, you know,
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Akil Hill: And stuff. So, but, yeah, that's a good place. I'm a fan of Turkey.
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Akil Hill: That's one of my favorite place to fit one of my favorite places I've been, but it's all great, but study abroad in Turkey would be great because because you have the European side that you have the Asian side so we can. We'll talk about that. Off camera. So, for the sake of the show.
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Akil Hill: On what are your what's giving you life right now, my man.
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Hong Lieu: I'd see before I break down. I just want to just
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Hong Lieu: Give you a shout out for your point about culture being, you know, engaging and parts of it. It's not really possible with culture, you're either in or you're out you about it about that life where you're not. So thank you for mentioning that Akil
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Hong Lieu: I've been reading comics. So I finished a comic. It's called 10 billion. And it's actually I think it started as a blog, I believe, or something.
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Hong Lieu: Where it's basically just idea of the you know the giving you a perspective on time.
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Hong Lieu: Like like Josh was talking about 10 it and how that deals with time 10 billion is just kind of a comic about
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Hong Lieu: About the how the world how the world progress is over a period of 10 billion years, as opposed to looking at things in 10 years, five years. Hundred years thousand years. They have a 10,000 year clock, you know, some places you can see
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Hong Lieu: I mean, just that perspective where even after 10 billion years of this simulation that this book goes through the, you know,
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Hong Lieu: Everything is things are things are drastically different, but the the core pieces of it, the earth, you know, the solar system, etc.
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Hong Lieu: They stay the same, because you know that the the world, the universe and everything is really on that scale that you know it's not for human comprehension. You know, we're, we're, we're bugs in the windshield of life.
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Hong Lieu: And the windshield itself is just vast so it was kind of a nice thing where, where this book was just kind of a nice kind of reminder of that, like, no, like, the things that I do are important.
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Hong Lieu: But at the same time, give me that perspective of like in the grand scheme of things.
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Hong Lieu: It's not that important. So don't get too crazy about stuff where you drive yourself crazy and limiting your own life span from stress and all these other
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Hong Lieu: You know, things that you build on yourselves, because in the grand scheme of things. We are just doing the best we can.
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Hong Lieu: And the world will maintain without us and the world maintain before we were here. So yeah, it's not it's not a widely available book. I believe it's a it's a small press called Lulu.
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Hong Lieu: There's many copies, so it's
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Hong Lieu: It's not the cheapest comic book in terms of in terms of if you want to buy a copy yourself but if anyone is interested in reading it, you are welcome to reach out to me now to
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Hong Lieu: lend it to you because the entrance accessibility. If someone wants to read something pricing be the determining factor. But yeah, it was it was it was good. It was it was a short read. It's the artists. Good.
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Hong Lieu: And yeah, it's called 10 billion available on the press and I'll put a link in the show notes.
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Akil Hill: Nice, nice.
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Hong Lieu: He knows how I call the comic books and graphic novels, because you know i'm i'm going what's going on I known since I was a kid, your comic books. And that's, you know,
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Hong Lieu: How Laffy
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Akil Hill: Nice.
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Hong Lieu: All right.
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Akil Hill: All right, I
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Hong Lieu: Yeah.
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Akil Hill: I'm going to throw out. What two things I was leaving me life. One is a common is mc
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Akil Hill: dropped a new album and
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Akil Hill: The whole album is really good one song in particular fallen. It's the second album or second song on the track.
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Akil Hill: Is definitely worth a listen for those who are into music and and in hip hop culture and the significance of the song he talks.
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Akil Hill: About just what has been going on in the country and the heights of Black Lives Matter and in the light of Briana Taylor's say her name.
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Akil Hill: It's definitely worth the listen or are you just looking up and read the lyrics, because there's the lyrics are super profound so that song is definitely giving me life in the last thing that is giving me life that my wife and I have been watching on
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Akil Hill: Showtime. It's called a series called, Your Honor.
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Akil Hill: And it basically talks about. It's the plot of it. The series is
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Akil Hill: A judge
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Akil Hill: Basically, his son commits a crime and he's trying to basically cover it up and it talks about you see the the
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Akil Hill: Dynamics in that the justice system and these kinds of things. It's super senses suspenseful.
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Akil Hill: really engaging. So, that is what is, you know, given a slice those two pieces, Your Honor. On a series on Showtime. A common
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Akil Hill: song entitled fallen off his latest album.
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Akil Hill: It's called the beautiful revolution. That's the name of the album, but the song is called fallen.
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Hong Lieu: That album came out last last year 2020 I believe
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Hong Lieu: Yeah 2020 and it was
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Hong Lieu: It was it was a great album. And I will say that common. I feel like I slept on that conversation of best MCS alive or, you know, the top five whatever he had a run from like it's cut when he was common sense.
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Akil Hill: You know, going into the 90s. Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, like a five or six yet a five or six album run with
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Hong Lieu: Can I borrow $1 one. It all makes sense.
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Akil Hill: Like what are your thoughts. Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: He had a run that that I would put up against any any emcee dead or alive in terms of those four or five albums in a row. I mean, he put out the album electric circus, which
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Akil Hill: Folks, yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Which is might not have been ready for and it's a lot of people for a loop and then supposedly he quote unquote fell off. But you just try new things, you know, he
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Hong Lieu: Yeah. Yes. Did you put some electric guitar in the background and you don't you're coming but then he came back with those Kanye West previous albums and he's I mean he just had this run where people don't people don't have them in that conversation. But in my mind. He's right there.
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Akil Hill: He's definitely a top that's something I used to love her that literally my favorite hip hop songs all time, hands down, and
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Hong Lieu: And everyone looks at common is just like Conscious rapper this now like him and ice cube beef, back, back in the day, like the common sense, Ice Cube beef was a big deal at the time because, you know, and those track names. I can't even I can't even say on the air right now.
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Akil Hill: Yes, you.
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Hong Lieu: Don't look at common as this this like actor guy data Selena whims. No comments come has been down for the culture for a long time, going back to the common sense days.
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Hong Lieu: And then remember if you need any other cosine. Remember, Jay Z when he said, truthfully I want to rhyme like common sense. But I did five mil and any been rhyming like common sense.
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Hong Lieu: Even he shouted out, common as someone to look up to in terms of in terms of his, his just delivery as an MC. He's one of the best. Absolutely.
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Akil Hill: He put he put ice cube is ice cube.
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Akil Hill: This track.
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Akil Hill: Body back you put keeping the body.
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Hong Lieu: It's hard to call that one but i would i would be. See, I'm not. I'm probably biased because I love common
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Hong Lieu: Okay, I love common yeah
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Akil Hill: I know he put a color for Cuba, the body bag.
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Hong Lieu: I see. I feel like that's just my bias that would say that, but yeah, I'll do it too.
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Akil Hill: So I got
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: 90s beefs man those really beat the, the current ones. You know, you hear a little rumblings on
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Social or whatever.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Like there is nothing like those 90s beef.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, the, the tracks were so vicious and that that's the thing I would say about today's beef is that it's nice that it does stay on wax like people aren't about that life like they really just like put those tracks out and then like
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Hong Lieu: The hug each other in the streets, which I'm okay with
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Hong Lieu: Because it really dig a little too crazy.
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Hong Lieu: But in terms of that like raw power and like livery like the visceral kind of nature of a wall is distracts like yeah you. I mean, I'm kind of happy that it's that it's not about the culture anymore because people people dying in the streets over some of those bars. But yeah, so now
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Akil Hill: I'm gonna give you one more distract listen to the comment distract of Drake.
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Hong Lieu: Oh yeah yeah candidate, the candidate dry.
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Hong Lieu: Canada Dry
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Akil Hill: And windy back
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Hong Lieu: At that point already people were like, okay, comments, you know, we're not we're not trying to look at common like that. And it's like, Do you not remember when he was, can I borrow $1 common you got
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, so it's just one of those things we I feel like I feel like he definitely did there's more flowers. I mean, obviously you're trying to lavish praise Him and all that, but yeah.
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Hong Lieu: I can't say it enough that those that four or five run album, I mean that because I was when I was in my peak like underground like backpack.
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Hong Lieu: Pop guy like
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Hong Lieu: Oh yeah, don't sleep on this. Most people have that in common was like every album classic, classic all the tracks production. He. I mean, he had like the features. He's getting here. Goodie Mob most to Libya, all these guys all his tracks. Oh, yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Thank you. Thank you. He could kill for for shining a light and allowing me to come
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Hong Lieu: Because, yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Alright.
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Hong Lieu: Alright so that that data that wraps it up for this episode, pretty much before we head out. Is there anything else. Josh you or Adrian that you wanted to kind of plug or mentioned before we sign off for that for the day.
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Joshua Ramirez: Check out. So check out the college for working adults. You can even search for it on the SPC website. So for what degree programs we happen to offer and
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Joshua Ramirez: If, if nothing else I'd like to think that Adrian and it established ourselves as two people that really like to get to know students and and you know we're here for. We're here for you.
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Joshua Ramirez: We want to we want nothing more than your success on this one, and for you to be part of this community. So, so, you know, we'll be around and we and we hope to talk to you soon.
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: Yeah, and I can, I can definitely echo that, as well. So any anybody out there who's, you know, current students future students. Anybody who's just thinking about coming back and is looking for
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Adrienne (She,Her,Ella) Arguijo-Morgan: A place to get started. Definitely. You know, reach out to us. We're happy to help. Where were you know i'm really flexible with my availability. So yeah, let's get some students. Let's get some students enrolled and and you know we'll get everybody taken care of.
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Joshua Ramirez: And wishing everyone a better 2021 also
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Absolutely.
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Akil Hill: Yes.
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Hong Lieu: We will have the link in the show notes, but it is spc.edu slash student dash ready like mentioned in the show just fill out the application and someone will contact you. You will speak to an actual person and they will be ready and would help and it will probably be Adrian so
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Hong Lieu: Awesome.
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Akil Hill: Thank you both. It was thank you guys.
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Hong Lieu: It was an honor to have you both on. We appreciate you taking the time. Absolutely. For we go big shout out to Paul Graham again for providing the intro and ultra music to this show. And this was wicked of voices. Until next time, take care, y'all.
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Joshua Ramirez: Bye. Bye. Thanks. Thanks.
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