Akil and Hong welcome Victor and Tim to the show to discuss their work at SBCC, and to open up about the Black experience at SBCC and in Santa Barbara. From there, the group discuss a wide range of topics, from vegan mac and cheese, to UCSB Reads Patrisse Cullors' "When They Call You a Terrorist," to the commodification of the creative arts. See show notes for full details!
Mentioned in this episode:
SBCC Scheduling - https://www.sbcc.edu/scheduling/
SBCC EOPS/Care - https://www.sbcc.edu/eopscare/
SBCC Football - https://www.sbccvaqueros.com/sports/fball/index
UCSB Football - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Santa_Barbara_Gauchos#Former_varsity_sports
Tim Stone's 2021 Rebellion Show on KCSB - https://www.kcsb.org/schedule/
SBCC Journalism - https://www.sbcc.edu/journalism/
SBCC Channels - https://www.thechannels.org/
SBCC Cashier's Office - https://www.sbcc.edu/fiscalservices/cashier/
Noah "Half Time" Burke - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etVRGeVC_-4
Morris Hodges - https://www.sbccvaqueros.com/sports/mbkb/coaches/morris_hodges?view=bio
Santa Barbara Independent - https://www.independent.com/
UCSB Reads 'When They Call You a Terrorist' - https://www.independent.com/2021/02/03/ucsb-reads-when-they-call-you-a-terrorist/
Baked Vegan Mac and Cheese - https://lovingitvegan.com/baked-vegan-mac-and-cheese/
Simply Wholesome- https://www.simplywholesome.com/
Bacon Cooking Methods - https://www.thekitchn.com/skills-showdown-bacon-22956708
Greens - https://grandbaby-cakes.com/collard-greens-recipe/
Scrambled Egg and Tomato - https://tasteasianfood.com/tomato-eggs/
3/5 an MC: The Manufacturing of a Dumbed Down Rapper by Wise Intelligent - https://www.amazon.com/MC-Manufacturing-Dumbed-Down-Rapper/dp/1735778508/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&qid=1606705547&refinements=p_27%3AWise+Intelligent&s=books&sr=1-3&text=Wise+Intelligent
Tobe Nwigwe - https://www.tobenwigwe.com/
Patrisse Cullors Author Talk at UCSB - https://www.library.ucsb.edu/events-exhibitions/ucsb-reads-2021-author-talk-patrisse-cullors
O.S.T. by People Under the Stairs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.S.T._(album)
Save Our Stages - https://www.saveourstages.com/
Between the World and Me - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/220290/between-the-world-and-me-by-ta-nehisi-coates/
Sensei Steve Ota - https://www.independent.com/obits/2021/01/11/steven-ken-ota/
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Hong Lieu: hello, and welcome to another episode of SBCC Vaquero Voices - a podcast highlighting the unique voices that comprise our campus culture and how we're all working together to serve our students in the Community large as usual i'm joined by my co host to kill hill.
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Akil Hill: hey what's up guys.
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Hong Lieu: And today we're honored to.
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Hong Lieu: Welcome Victor Brian and TIM stone to the show, welcome to you both.
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Akil Hill: Welcome guys.
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Victor Bryant: Great to be here.
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Timothy Stone: Thank you, I feel.
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Hong Lieu: So both y'all have a work in different areas on campus Victor you work in scheduling at the moment right now correct.
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Hong Lieu: Correct and then TIM your ups and you're an assistant coach for the football team.
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Timothy Stone: Yes, that's great.
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Hong Lieu: Alright, so Victor if you want to tell us just a little bit about scheduling because I honestly don't know that much about scheduling either, is it just scheduling out like academic calendars or is it like are you in charge of scheduling everything or.
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Victor Bryant: yeah so not many people know much about what goes on in the scheduled offices it's not it's a very inward facing office as far as the campus community is concerned, but basically.
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Victor Bryant: The primary the primary objective of the job is I work with the department chairs.
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Victor Bryant: To build out their core schedule for each term are always working ahead so we're figuring out what classes can be at what time and what room, making sure that everything is coded correctly.
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Victor Bryant: And just kind of just working out any kinks in the schedule and then also during normal time and raw on campus i'm in charge of pretty much.
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Victor Bryant: You know scheduling and maintaining our 25 live system, so all meetings, and you know that's kinda work through our office as well, to a certain extent.
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Victor Bryant: So basically it's just logistics, you know scheduling the campus and making sure that everything functions smoothly.
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Hong Lieu: So really is all aspects of scheduling yeah I thought it was like either class schedules, but no it's really everything comes through your your office.
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Victor Bryant: yeah we're primarily academic schedulers but, considering that academic schedule is kinda like the college's priority we kind of have to sign off on all other things that happened to make sure that it's not nothing is bumping up against you know classes.
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Hong Lieu: Oh wow that's crazy and so too and yeah TIM you your new ups, we did our previous episodes up so we touched on rid of it on that you want to talk about the assistant coach kind of aspect of your duties as as well, a little bit or.
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Timothy Stone: Well, first I want to mention that I first met Victor when I was working in professional development, I started out at sbc.
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Timothy Stone: At the way campus and I used to have to contact Victor regarding scheduling for some of the adult some of the adult classes over there, so just wanted to mention that, and you know because that's how I know Victor for a little while before I actually came to the main campus.
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Timothy Stone: And yeah i've been assistant coach since i've been pretty much since i've been on the main campus what's been like four or five years now.
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Timothy Stone: And I enjoy that thoroughly working with the students and just able to like share my knowledge of football, since I came to Santa Barbara originally to play at.
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Timothy Stone: uc Santa Barbara my play cornerback back in the day i'm on a very last football team at uc Santa Barbara so I had transferred from the.
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Timothy Stone: Community college up in San Mateo color December tail right play two years there went to school there and then transferred here to uc Santa Barbara and that's kind of how I got to city college via.
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Akil Hill: But i'm gonna jump in here real quick and for.
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Akil Hill: Those of you who don't know TIM has been in the Community for a minute and i'm sure we'll get into the show but.
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Akil Hill: he's.
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Akil Hill: In some ways, he I remember back in the day i'm from Santa Barbara and I remember back in the day you in your hip hop show one of the old G originally hip hop heads in Santa Barbara so i'm happy to have you here on the show man.
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Timothy Stone: yeah I love hip hop you know.
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Timothy Stone: Two things i'm real passionate about if you know me as a hip hop and sports, you know I can talk about those things all day or so.
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Akil Hill: yeah we'll get into it, but definitely get into it.
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Timothy Stone: And Actually, I have a radio show right now in case ESP that.
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Timothy Stone: Since a pandemic came they were needed, DJ so they reached out to me by email and said they wanted some of the alumni DJ to come back so for since summertime i've been.
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Timothy Stone: Having a radio show there now it's called the 20 we'll start out as a 2020 rebellion but I decided to change it now to the 2021 rebellion.
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Timothy Stone: And I was thinking about keeping a 2020 name but I figured since 2020 wasn't that great of a year I was ready to move on to the rebellion you know.
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Hong Lieu: I.
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Timothy Stone: just had the had the whole 2020 vision thing going for it, but it didn't that didn't outdo the terrible year that was.
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Hong Lieu: supposed to both of you have you know a lot of roots in this Community long been here long time I know Victor your former student, as well as a staff member at the moment.
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Hong Lieu: So one of the other reasons we brought you on the show is because it is black history month and we are, we are celebrating you know black voices in the black experience.
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Hong Lieu: I wanted, I wanted to see both y'all could could touch on the black experience here in Santa Barbara you know in Santa Barbara and NSPCC since y'all both have such long you know 10 years here.
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Hong Lieu: Just just any insight, you can provide to listeners and any anything on your mind right now, the first thing that comes to your mind when you think about that Victor when we start with you.
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Victor Bryant: yeah my SPC just means so much to me it's been such a place of great opportunity for me, I mean coming out here, out of high school high school was very.
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Victor Bryant: was very.
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Victor Bryant: I don't want to say disappointing, but.
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Victor Bryant: I went to a lot of diversity, some of it was like self inflicted adversity and whatnot when I got here, I was very, very hungry and very, very motivated.
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Victor Bryant: To kind of REACH my goals, a lot of things that you know I thought were going to happen for me to stay and kind of happen for me in high school So for me, this was a great place for a new opportunity.
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Victor Bryant: To really, really get after it really, really try to go and accomplish my goals, I was very ready for the opportunity that NSPCC present it.
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Victor Bryant: I came here from orange county and the main reason I came to this college was because of the journalism Program.
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Victor Bryant: I started getting getting into writing my senior year of high school and I was really starting to excel in that area, so we came out here and visited we met with the journalism staff and faculty even and.
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Victor Bryant: They really, really presented it to me as a great opportunity, and they had done great things are some of their writers, in the past.
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Victor Bryant: So that was really my main objective when I came here was it getting the journalism, that was an original major I went on to be a.
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Victor Bryant: be a writer for the channels doing like sports writing I became the sports editor on the editorial board.
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Victor Bryant: We eventually went on to win the national pacemaker Award for the best Community college newspaper in the country.
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Victor Bryant: During my final year with the channels, so that was a That was a great experience some of the people on that staff with me like koster Gutierrez, who is a city councilman amanda Jacobs, who were.
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Hong Lieu: Not co worker yeah.
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Victor Bryant: works in.
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Victor Bryant: Communications office.
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Victor Bryant: yeah we were, but we were all editorial board together we all worked really hard.
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Victor Bryant: And at the same time, a kill can tell you this, I started working as a student worker in the cashiers office.
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Victor Bryant: So I got to meet like a kill everyone in the student services building and that was really, really became very important to me because I learned banner I learned how the College works um.
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Victor Bryant: I made a lot of very good relationships and I guess I showed the people that matter that I was someone that could be relied upon so that was that was big for me.
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Victor Bryant: And just as a black kid it was it was it was I felt very you know, the timing of that you know coming here in 2006.
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Victor Bryant: You know, we didn't have you know society was kind of in a place where you know race relations and things of that nature were kind of just under the rug and you know it wasn't as.
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Victor Bryant: In your face as it is now, and it was just Santa Barbara city college just provided just an excellent opportunity and, for me, I love this institution and our and I would love for you know young kids that have the same opportunity that I had to really make something of theirs of themselves.
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Victor Bryant: Based on opportunity to SPC provides.
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Hong Lieu: yeah.
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Akil Hill: Go ahead, no I just remember you know Victor not from back in the day as well man and when he was.
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Akil Hill: Working in the cashiers office and we kind of developed a rapport that way and so it's kind of been for me it's been you know, really.
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Akil Hill: honor it's such an honor and to see him kind of just navigate through.
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Akil Hill: Santa Barbara city college and to see how his life has actually unfolded here in Santa Barbara you know so.
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Akil Hill: You know, like I said about TIM i'm super honored and glad that he's here as one of our guests and we get to listen to him speak, you know his his truth about Santa Barbara city college.
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Victor Bryant: And when I talked about that you know, a kid was important to me because you know it was it was really great to have another black man and.
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Victor Bryant: In the student services building at that time you know I you know I went to him, I need to know where to get a haircut you know we you know we we just talked about things when we when we would walk out each other in the hall.
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Victor Bryant: Really comforting factor having him there just really a blessing yeah.
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Hong Lieu: yeah and that under the radar component, I feel like it's true for like and I know when I when I speak with with other with other folks.
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Hong Lieu: In La and stuff it was always everything was on the surface, you to tell how it is you could tell someone what's up.
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Hong Lieu: And there was a lot more, where I was like in other places where I was hearing about stuff after the fact, like oh yeah you shouldn't have done that this happened this happened.
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Hong Lieu: it's like why didn't someone tell me why you know why why doesn't anyone ever tell me these things until you know, and then I had to do all this stuff around the corners and stuff.
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Hong Lieu: So that was that was the navigation aspect I had to learn a lot about in my adult life, whereas you growing up, it was always.
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Hong Lieu: Just laid out to how it is, and you know you grow up with this meritocracy you do well good things will happen.
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Hong Lieu: And then, like that slowly gets chipped away where it's like Okay, I did the best I could and then something else happened out of my control and then I didn't hear about till after the fact.
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Hong Lieu: And that's when it starts, like everything starts getting kind of twisted a little bit so, then you kind of realigning yourself and it's good that you found a situation.
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Hong Lieu: Where you could find that realignment because I know high school is tough for every you know, not for everybody, but for a lot of people high school is just like.
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Hong Lieu: You think is gonna be one thing and it always ends up being to something else it's kind of crazy but.
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Hong Lieu: it's good that you found a place, you know, and I think of this area of the central coast, you know St Louis and Santa Barbara has that place for me as well, so it's good that it was it serve that purpose for a lot of people.
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Victor Bryant: I just think it's key that people are ready for their opportunity like.
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Victor Bryant: You know city college you got the Tommy has to be right, you have to be in the right mindset to really take advantage of everything that it has to offer.
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Victor Bryant: You know a lot of people that I came in here with a lot of my friends that kind of a couch with you know they didn't have as much success as as I did, I was able to transfer to ucsb and.
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Victor Bryant: Everything worked out really well for me, but it's just about where you are and a lot of the adversity, I went through, and I was younger.
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Victor Bryant: really got me battle hardened and so ready to you know kind of take on this opportunity to the point where you know.
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Victor Bryant: You know I could have a job and be on the editorial board, and you know take my 15 and 16 units and I was, I was eating for breakfast you know, I was just adding extremely motivated point in my life.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I don't a lot of adversity, but that's 60 units ate me alive.
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Hong Lieu: Once I once I dropped down to 12 I was like.
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Hong Lieu: whoo man where's this been all my life.
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Hong Lieu: I was doing I was doing that 16 with that model minority mindset and I was getting chewed up and spit out, I was going to every office hour, it was not helping I was at the library all day.
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Hong Lieu: drop down at 12 and it's like okay i'm still getting like work pretty good, but at least i'm hanging in there it's C plus B minus is living the dream, right now, so.
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Hong Lieu: on you and it's hard to explain to folks because you know that adversity, like in the moment like when I was a kid growing up the way I did like it was just the worst it was terrible you know, but now as an adult like.
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Hong Lieu: Even working on, we just have to like no job it's hard that my job we do so, some of the stuff I go through.
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Hong Lieu: I went through as a kid so it's like it serves me well now but it's hard to explain how bad, it was in the moment as a kid because you don't know what's, on the other side you.
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Hong Lieu: You just think it's going to be bad forever so it's like i'm glad I did it but can I recommend it to somebody else to follow that path you know, like know I could.
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Hong Lieu: I could.
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Hong Lieu: I couldn't you can't tell someone to find adversity, because then it doesn't hit the same either you have to be in it and forced to live it so.
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Hong Lieu: Like yeah it's it's tough to explain but it's good that is dissing universal were like you have that in your back pocket like it does serve you well now where you can put i'd be like well still not that bad all right let's go back and keep it moving you know so.
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Timothy Stone: Were the lowest the lowest paying jobs and they were the worst.
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Victor Bryant: For me, it was little Caesars you know sitting the back, making the soft they didn't have me on the pizza I was just.
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Victor Bryant: Making sauce but you know it served me well all my experiences, you know all of the things that happened, you know.
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Victor Bryant: I wouldn't take any of them back because you know they really mode you, you know adversity mold you and you know i'm just glad that you know i've been through all of this stuff in that you know they have to come to city college and get this opportunity.
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Hong Lieu: yeah if you if you think that wiener schnitzel chili comes out of a can know you got to add to that stuff.
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Hong Lieu: TIM how about yourself if you're.
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Hong Lieu: On your experience in the black experience NSPCC a little bit.
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Timothy Stone: Well um, I guess, I really want to mention, first my experience as a student when I came out here to ucsb because it's kind of important.
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Timothy Stone: especially given the time that we're talking about and with the black experience, because when I first came out here, I came out here to play football and ucsb and.
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Timothy Stone: You know that's what brought me here, I was recruited actually by the coach and know my coach xe called down to the coach and I don't know and.
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Timothy Stone: They brought me down here for a visit and I came down here and I remember I look to the left of me, and I saw the mountains into the Ryan, I saw the beach, and I was like wow this.
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Timothy Stone: is beautiful, you know.
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Timothy Stone: And so I didn't have a hard time making my decision to come to Santa Barbara.
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Timothy Stone: And you know but.
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Timothy Stone: After I was here for a couple months, you know playing I was you know playing football real busy you know the football life.
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Timothy Stone: part time jobs student, you know it's a real busy life, so I understand how hard some of the kids work that are on the team now because they're working.
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Timothy Stone: they're going to school they're playing football there they do a lot they put a lot of time in know for practice and all that so but really why I wanted to mention it was.
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Timothy Stone: When I first came here as a student, I felt very isolated and very lonely i'm not just you know I had 5060 guys on a football team, but culturally, I felt isolated and one of the biggest things was like.
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Timothy Stone: There was no a.
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Timothy Stone: Good radio station here like I came from the bay area and I couldn't hear like black music on the radio, you know and wasn't the same back then were you listen to YouTube or go to the Internet to find music, you had you depended on the radio so here are the good music, you know and.
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Timothy Stone: Before I had heard Casey has been everything I was just a new student and I remember crying alone in my room just literally crying.
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Timothy Stone: Because I felt so culturally isolated and alone, and as a black student, and so I think I really understand how some of the students fill that come down here that may feel similarly once you're down here for a while, because there's not a lot of black culture here.
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Timothy Stone: And I think I want, I want to make a statement about that too, because I think I heard charisse one saying that recent song that he that he put out.
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Timothy Stone: Black is more of a culture than a skin color and that's true.
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Timothy Stone: It is more of a culture, when I speak about it because.
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Timothy Stone: As you may know, you may see a lot of people that have dark skin or black skin that don't represent the black Community or who are culture and may not even know of black culture.
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Timothy Stone: No matter how doctors can because they didn't grow up in this in the inner city or around black people so just wanted to throw that in there.
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Timothy Stone: But now that i'm at SPC it's been an interesting few years now, as i've been on the main campus last four or five years, still a lot of different racial incidents happen, you know just little things here and there.
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Timothy Stone: And sometimes I think about it, like recently i've been thinking like you know but black people are like 1.5% of the population in Santa Barbara.
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Timothy Stone: yeah people are spray painting the N word on the walls and just there's so much hatred for black people, even though we're such a small part of this community and part of the country.
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Timothy Stone: Really, I mean about takes about 13% of the country is black and more identifies with the black culture, and you know I think it's interesting how much hate.
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Timothy Stone: is thrown at that small population and then, when you look at the the way our population is going as far as from the 70s on to now it's almost flatlining to where we're not really gaining and population.
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Timothy Stone: i'm almost to the point where almost increasing population know with not only the violence by the police, but also the black on Black crime as well it's some it's almost devastating and as i've watched this this thing happened since I was a student at colleges Sam tail and back.
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Timothy Stone: You know, back in there in the late 80s early 90s as a student ucsb and just watching how this.
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Timothy Stone: it's almost amazing and spectacular just think you know what what happened on January six you know with the capital right some I was thinking, I was mentioning like I didn't expect a revolution to look like that.
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Timothy Stone: But uh you know.
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Akil Hill: Right, I mean, I think, from you know that you touched on it.
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Akil Hill: You know, we know that for at least at Santa Barbara city college them a good percentage of our black students are athletes and they come here to you know place sports and to transfer onto a four year institution.
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Akil Hill: And so to me like thinking about what you were saying about how you were at ucsb and and you, you know we're just crying because.
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Akil Hill: The piece of the community of feeling welcomed and embraced and and and the culture piece.
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Akil Hill: Just kind of for me, it makes it all so evident that we have to be extremely mindful of how we're bringing in students particular black students into Santa Barbara environment, and how are we supporting them.
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Akil Hill: So they can have success and fill in community, although it would it's going to look a whole lot different from you know if they're from Los Angeles or they're from the South, or if they're from the bay area.
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Timothy Stone: You know these are they just want to mention real quickly the reason that I quite cried it just really came to me.
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Timothy Stone: I was able to pick up you know, I was radiohead you know, and I was listening to the radio and I was able to pick up in La station.
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Timothy Stone: Like 92.3 or something and was kind of just coming in, for some reason, and I heard some black music, for the first time in a couple of months and that's when I cried because I heard black music on the radio, so it wasn't I wasn't crying in my room depressed.
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Timothy Stone: It was, it was a moment of almost joy like oh my God that's black music you.
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Akil Hill: But that's that's a real experience, though, you know to mean, even if you weren't crying out of being depressed that still is a real experience that people have.
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Akil Hill: Coming from places of community of of blackness and then, and then they they're you know they come to Santa Barbara.
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Akil Hill: or they recruit or their recruited to come and play sports and they get here and it's it's some of them it's the first time, being away from home navigating that and then not navigating people who look like you, who understand your plight.
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Timothy Stone: sorry to interrupt you, but even back then.
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Timothy Stone: Santa Barbara had a few more black people in a few more black things and a few more black places to go to yeah.
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Timothy Stone: Actually, you may know, kill, since you grew up here, you know when you went down hayley street there was a few black businesses.
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Akil Hill: yeah absolutely.
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Timothy Stone: A few different things and that's totally disappeared so.
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Timothy Stone: it's even I think even It could even be worse than it was when I was when I will share this to.
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Victor Bryant: You know how just piggybacking off of that man building that sense of community is just so important, however, you build it.
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Victor Bryant: it's really probably the primary indicator of successes, you know, having people around you that are like minded that have your well being at heart, and that you can just kind of vibe with you know if you don't got anybody to vibe with it's just hard you know to be yourself, you know.
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Timothy Stone: Definitely, and I want to say Santa Barbara honestly as a student it's it was kind of a welcoming place, even though there wasn't a lot of black people there, the atmosphere wasn't always so bad or tense it wasn't as intense.
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Timothy Stone: feeling as being up in Seattle and being the only black person in a in a room, as it was in Santa Barbara you could be the only black person room and still feel comfortable to me.
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Timothy Stone: I think the atmosphere is a little bit more kickback here than it is in a lot of places as far as racially yeah it has been for me, maybe it's because i'm a little more light skinned.
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Akil Hill: Those light skinned brother.
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Hong Lieu: I don't know I don't know if this is true.
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Hong Lieu: I feel like a part of it is because this area has such a deep history with reggae to, so there is that kind of exposure to to black culture and for a lot of folks and maybe that helps a little bit, but I wonder.
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Timothy Stone: If a lot of the reggae culture here musically as well, I have a future, making friends here, you know that do reggae music and everything and one of my best friends actually that I had the blessing of being able to work with musically is a my friend Mr BT.
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Timothy Stone: Big shots or Clinton broke out there and his kids up there nyan Noah Burke.
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Timothy Stone: yeah push right here, but uh you know and so he he's one of my great to making friends that.
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Victor Bryant: You know one way grab my entire time as bcc and ucsb I spent and I love this that live in Alabama they're not.
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Victor Bryant: During that time you know that's when I really got exposed to like reggae for the first time a lot, you know just that backyard, you know parties and everything, so you know revolution was in.
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Timothy Stone: year I read a five advisor real dog, you know, like just when I think about being around people that I, like you know it's like the vibes like if I feel bad vibes on i'm likely to just break out i'm likely to just leave the place if I don't find the right box, I might just leave.
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Hong Lieu: glad you stuck around here, I wanted to say, real quick about about the importance of athletics in this conversation, because I feel like you know when you were in class you probably feel isolated, but on the football field.
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Hong Lieu: You that brotherhood that mental you know where everyone's working together, like that that's kind of the.
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Hong Lieu: dichotomy where we're at as student athletes when you're on the practice field, or on the football field.
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Hong Lieu: That camaraderie that isolation is not there and then it's kind of finding that piece when you're in the classroom or when you're studying you know, like like.
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Hong Lieu: How to bridge that dichotomies I mean it's.
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Hong Lieu: I guess that's one of the pieces but it's good athletics, are there for for some folks you know that are feeling feeling this way at least you have that.
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Hong Lieu: piece of piece of kind of community like Victor was mentioning that you can clean to is through athletics, but then for those students that aren't are playing sports and and So how do we.
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Hong Lieu: How do we build that kind of community that camaraderie that that that brother sisterhood you know in outside of an athletic athletic capacity I.
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Timothy Stone: Recently the motor program has been created that's that's a big change, I mean just and we have the school hasn't really got to experience, much of it, since it was just one semester, I believe, before the pandemic broker, or maybe a little bit longer.
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Akil Hill: Because a couple but yeah it was still in it was an infancy stages.
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Timothy Stone: When they actually had since they've had the emotional Center maybe it's only one semester.
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Timothy Stone: And so I think that's really important i'm just to have that that place that safe space for black students to come in and to.
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Timothy Stone: to work together and to you know study together and it's also just have a place of culture to you know be hit on different events that may be coming up or and just a place to congregate and talk.
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Timothy Stone: So I think that's really key so that that's an important step that the the the school is taken as well with the members of the staff and the school is low.
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Hong Lieu: And Victor sounds like journalism was kind of that piece for you and, in some ways, you know.
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Victor Bryant: yeah I mean that really gave me too many I mean I was always want to be a sports writer that's what you know even from.
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Victor Bryant: Work came here to be a sports writer, so I I got really involved with the athletics here also which is kind of just kind of funny coincidence.
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Victor Bryant: But yeah it was good, it was good to meet everyone with the channels.
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Victor Bryant: I remember when I first got here, I took Morris hodges his basketball class I played I played some basketball in high school.
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Victor Bryant: And that was part of my disappointment I school I didn't have all the success that I was projected that.
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Victor Bryant: So I came here wasn't really looking to play basketball batted morris's basketball class, and it was good to do that have fun with that he invited me to try out with the team that end up working out but uh.
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Victor Bryant: It was good to to have that outlet to be able to play someone I was here.
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Victor Bryant: And then also just covering all the sports going to the games that was good, but for for me it was just really just building up some friends that were like mine, and I did that a lot through the channels.
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Victor Bryant: And some people and also some people that I met through you know, covering the athletics around SPC sees canvas.
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Hong Lieu: yeah so it's it's definitely important, however, you find it that you.
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Hong Lieu: died, not only to you try to find it, but that you know that that's what you're looking for, because some folks will be like now I don't need that I don't need that I can do this, I can do that, but every little bit helps you know every I mean.
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Hong Lieu: Not to say life is hard but life is not easy so every little bit to find every little nugget you can find that helps you out is worth for seeking out or you know kind of looking around for for sure.
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Timothy Stone: I mean if you took away the the black players on the football team away from Santa Barbara city college, it would be significant, it would be you would notice it on campus you know be significant because you know it's not a big population.
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Timothy Stone: And it's kind of interesting how I became coach was um.
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Timothy Stone: Our President of a few years back Member and look what's her name glory.
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Timothy Stone: She had put out a survey that was just kind of like till tell us something about yourself that you've done that people at the school don't know about and so on the survey, I wrote that I was.
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Timothy Stone: I play cornerback on the last team at ucsb.
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Timothy Stone: And so it was kind of funny, and so we had like one of those little meetings, you know that we have like for the kind of small in service.
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Timothy Stone: kind of like for Christmas or whatever, and then you know, giving away a given away stuff and all that and they had a survey and on the survey lori wrote.
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Timothy Stone: You actually made me look good i'm quarterbacks a good position, but I played quarterback and lori just laughed he was like I didn't even know the difference.
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Timothy Stone: yeah but anyway i'm the athletic director at the time, saw that survey and so found out that I played on the last team, and he approached me and asked me if I wanted to coach and so.
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Timothy Stone: I met with the customer rock listen every since then i've been a coach so it was kind of interesting it may not have happened if it wasn't for that survey kind of interesting.
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Akil Hill: yeah well, I mean look I think that's super important to I think that's the one of the reasons why that Hong and I both has been.
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Akil Hill: decided to create this show is because it's those moments, where you you build in Community and it leads to other things right, so you know, like you wrote it.
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Akil Hill: You wrote your answer down and then the coach side and he said hey.
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Akil Hill: Come aboard you know and we're hoping the same thing would happen to or people are listening to the show and they're like hey I have a connection with this person when I i'm going to hit them up.
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Akil Hill: You know, when I see them or i'm gonna shoot them an email and see if, whatever the interest is are they aligned and and that and that's that's the hope of building Community at Santa Barbara city college through the show.
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Hong Lieu: And the other side of that is you know you want that little that last piece with someone reaching out and giving you a chance.
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Hong Lieu: I feel like that's kind of going away because we have there's all these policies in place and they're good policies for the most part, you know equal opportunity employment.
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Hong Lieu: All those things, but there has to stay, I feel like there's still has to be that wiggle room like that opportunity for someone like like a higher up position to give someone a chance.
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Hong Lieu: Because like I mean it's good that we have the equal employment all this stuff is good.
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Hong Lieu: Then it just creates you know, then, then you have to go back down and create equitable situations everybody.
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Hong Lieu: And that's the part that we're kind of stalled out on and working on, you know continually working on as well, so if that without that equitable base in place.
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Hong Lieu: Like that doesn't happen anymore now it's like well you send an email to this person will schedule a meeting and the meeting is just you know you're having a conversation.
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Hong Lieu: But is that person, are you gonna walk out that meeting with that chance like.
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Hong Lieu: A lot of a lot of early people that are successful in that field now we're given that chance 2030 years ago and they're the ones saying.
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Hong Lieu: Well he's got to pull yourself up by your bootstraps it's like know the the field has changed those opportunities.
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Hong Lieu: That those chances are not as prevalent, as they were so without without reevaluating the whole floor and giving more equitable opportunities like you're like you're saying and you're writing in these policies.
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Hong Lieu: Then that policy is not ready, and you still have to have that little wiggle room that Gray area for to lift folks up that that might not be seen, otherwise so it's it's it's it's a it's a huge conversation but it's definitely something that bears mentioning here.
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Timothy Stone: You.
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Victor Bryant: yeah I have to agree with me and my journalism, I mean there were so many people I remember when I first got when I was still at ucsb I.
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Victor Bryant: You know, he kind of talked to me about what it takes, you know to break into the journalism field, and then, when I graduate at ucsb brought me on to the news press and I started doing sports writing for them.
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Victor Bryant: which I did for many years for them, probably like five to seven six years I was you know writing with the news press just covering sporting events around town.
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Victor Bryant: i've since moved over to the Santa Barbara independent where you know I write occasional sports column bi weekly usually and.
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Victor Bryant: In addition to other things, but the thing was is that someone reached out gave me that mentorship gave me the opportunity and and that's what i'm here to do you know that's what I want to be able to do as well as if someone.
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Victor Bryant: You know what's information or wants to know how you break into a field, you know pain pain that stuff forward is is a is always a great.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I mean you know for the day where that's not baked into it we're like.
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Hong Lieu: Like you, you have to find somebody make those connections power lunch it out or wherever you hope that one day that it can all be like this lovely feel.
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Hong Lieu: and show them the way, because there is definitely a path to take, and they don't really explain it that well because you know in school you're always taught the.
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Hong Lieu: meritocracy approach you do the best to excel and the opportunities will find you that does not happen, you know, like.
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Hong Lieu: I, I believe that to the bitter end my sister I was trying to when I was in La working in video games and stuff my sister's like you got to meet people you got to connect do the lunches i'm like i'm not a lunch guy i'm not a power this that.
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Hong Lieu: i'm about showing you how good my work is and that speaking for itself and it spoke, but it was whispering.
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Hong Lieu: hone your craft be the best you can be and to find out that that was not the full picture like, not only was it kind of a job, it is also like why didn't anyone tell me.
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Hong Lieu: Why didn't anyone tell me, you know, like it's like when I had my my my son everyone's like oh miracle of life is that why didn't you tell me about the bad stuff.
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Hong Lieu: I can take it, why didn't you tell me about the every two hours waking up nightmare of animals that can barely speak, you know.
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Timothy Stone: yeah I think that's a shame i'm sorry sorry but um I think it's a shame that the things that we had to be mandated which means like.
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Timothy Stone: They had to threaten the funding of all the colleges in California, to make them hire people equitably.
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Timothy Stone: You know what I mean it's like if you don't hire these people we're going to take your funding, so they started doing it and it's a shame that it had had to be done that way it's unfortunate and there's a lot of reasons for it, which I won't get into here but.
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Timothy Stone: You know it's it's very unfortunate that opportunities have to be have to be created and that they just don't they're out of.
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Victor Bryant: There are very few true meritocracies in our society is what you'll learn is that you know you have to.
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Victor Bryant: You have to do things to give yourself a leg up and and whether that be networking or Whatever the case may be, in your industry or feel um but you also you, people have obligation help each other, so I mean that's really where when it comes down to.
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Hong Lieu: say something like you.
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Akil Hill: know, I was i'm it's all good stuff you know i'll get stuff I definitely I was going to say there was a piece of also what you're talking about working hard and you'll get your break.
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Akil Hill: I think, culturally, you know, like from the black perspective is you know it's always been like you can work as hard as you can and still not get that opportunity we've witnessed that throughout the course of history.
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Akil Hill: Just from our you know just from past situations with, and so, for me it was always understanding that.
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Akil Hill: You know, like you can work twice as hard and still not get that opportunity and that's the piece where we're talking about.
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Akil Hill: We were TIM was saying that we have to or people have to mandate that because we know that the majority of people, wants to want to hire people that look like them think like them act like them because it's comfortable for them, and so.
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Akil Hill: that's leading you know to other people not having the same opportunities, who can be just as qualified or, if not overqualified for for the position.
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Hong Lieu: Absolutely and and it is nice that in the past few years, that the conversation has really expanded and and it does seem like people are at least voicing their support.
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Hong Lieu: Whether that follows through with kind of you know, the policies and practices to kind of increase equity.
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Hong Lieu: across the board in all aspects is is remains to be seen, but it is, it is at least nice if you were talking about it and it's not just.
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Hong Lieu: Under the radar like like Victor and TIM TIM we're kind of mentioning that it was before, where you'd hear about it, three weeks later behind her back, but you know, in the moment, you know that conversation just.
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Hong Lieu: couldn't, I guess, maybe folks weren't comfortable having that conversation and and they're probably still not comfortable now, but at least it's out in the open, and you know you can raise these issues.
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Hong Lieu: Without totally just like being the crazy person or something like that are like the the angry angry person, you know that the person with a chip on the shoulder now.
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Hong Lieu: More people are understanding it's not universal but more people understanding what is really going on here in terms of.
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Timothy Stone: Really angry right now.
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Akil Hill: Well, also, I think you know you know from you know, also been a black employee at Santa Barbara city college, I think we can.
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Akil Hill: stand in the same space where we can look at our institution their place of our place of employment.
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Akil Hill: and be critical about the areas that we fall we're falling short in but also celebrate in the areas that we have victories, and you know and and I think back, maybe the past couple years you know we've hired more black.
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Akil Hill: Employees at Santa Barbara city college and i've ever seen you know i've been at the institution, you know.
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Akil Hill: I think it's been like 16 years 17 years something around that in the past couple years I mean there has been significant strides.
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Akil Hill: That and we can celebrate that but then we also can be like Look, we still have to work harder and and and pull our weight in these areas, and so I think we just have to be able to be mindful of both right, you know.
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Akil Hill: And that's that's that's what what I think in regards to being a black employee at Santa Barbara city college.
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Victor Bryant: Absolutely yeah we definitely made major strides to kill and I just think that the camaraderie amongst the black.
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Victor Bryant: faculty and staff at city college is at a maybe an all time high since i've been here that's that's excellent I think for the College itself.
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Victor Bryant: Just for you know the morale and for for us to just be able to really have that connectedness and be able to have you know joy and and and good communication in our work.
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Timothy Stone: I was just to be thankful it's interesting that.
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Timothy Stone: You know, we really didn't have a BF essay you know the black faculty staff association until the incident that happened what was a couple years ago now.
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Timothy Stone: And so that really, then we can say that that brought us together, and you know, and since then we've had much more communication and much more.
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Timothy Stone: yeah in a way it's been a good thing.
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Akil Hill: Absolutely, you know we all know, out of challenges, you know that's what you find out what you have you know when bases are loaded in and you got no outs do you're gonna we're gonna find out we're gonna find out today what type of picture you are.
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Akil Hill: When you strike and everybody out.
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Akil Hill: You know ain't nobody on the base, the only responses is is just being happy, but we know when we are faced with adversity.
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Akil Hill: You find out what you have in the situation that we were faced with a few years back, we found out what we had and that's and and the results of that is everyone coming together and being closed and continuing to build the Community.
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Victor Bryant: You know, with.
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Victor Bryant: The FSA it's really been a reoccurring theme about you know, like, I was saying earlier, the positive you know positive coming out of negative situations and.
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Victor Bryant: that's yeah I think really has happened, you know, there was a lot of you know turmoil.
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Victor Bryant: On this campus in past years to three years ago there was a lot of turmoil, but out of that you know you've really ingrained a greater appreciation.
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Victor Bryant: For each other and people have really you know began the processes of breaking down barriers and speaking to issues that exist, rather than you know letting them stay under the rug like when Michael I like I said when I first came to college here.
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Victor Bryant: You know, it was a time there was a time of day in our society, where you know people didn't speak to issues, you know that were happening, I mean.
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Victor Bryant: Remember, I was working in the cashiers office one time, I was a night to college students some lady accuse me of stealing her money, obviously I didn't steal her money there was no basis for her to say that I stole her money.
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Victor Bryant: I don't know if she was having some kind of a breakdown, but you know she went to the security office and says i'm storing money and all my coworkers knew that that was impossible based on how we did.
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Victor Bryant: But, yet we still I still have to sit there and entertain you know this thing happening someone you know.
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Victor Bryant: Most likely based upon the color of my skin and my appearance.
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Victor Bryant: Questioning my character, so you know it's one of those things where now if that happened, it will probably be a little bit different it would probably you know it probably wouldn't, be it wouldn't have been entertained as long as it was.
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Victor Bryant: And people would realize that you know you know, we need to be have a more equitable society, and we need to do the things to address you know issues of discrimination and raced.
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Hong Lieu: down a little difference that little change makes will make a big difference is that it's noticeable.
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Hong Lieu: counts for a lot, I mean, because this is the conversations happening worldwide, this is not NSPCC problems not send a bar problems out of California problem.
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Hong Lieu: This is a worldwide kind of conversation and and what you said is true, how we respond, is the key, and the fact that there are some noticeable differences that we can recognize, I mean, even in the creation of the black faculty student association that's that's that's great to hear.
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Timothy Stone: So I mean how, how can we honestly go forward as a country in good faith.
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Timothy Stone: If we don't come together and we are, and if we're not even trying to come together and so you know, like is.
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Timothy Stone: This it, I mean it is it's a difficult thing to look at really when you think about it, because you know we we see more divided than ever, you know.
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Hong Lieu: Well yeah.
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Timothy Stone: Right at this moment, you know.
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Victor Bryant: That reminds me I was a I recently read a book.
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Victor Bryant: When they call you a terrorist black lives matter more by Patrice colors where it was just talking about you know, the issues of the black Community actually wrote a review that kind of a review slash.
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Victor Bryant: Just kind of reaction to the book in the independent today, so if you guys want to.
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Victor Bryant: pick up in we're independent, you can read that kind of review um but it just kind of just you know spoke to you know the issue it, and it goes beyond race, you know, whether it be gender discrimination discrimination.
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Victor Bryant: issues, issues of mental health that people that were not really discussing and things of that nature, you know we all have a long way to go to just kind of you know, become educated on our blind spots and really build from there.
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Hong Lieu: yep it's definitely an ongoing conversation or one that will definitely keep an eye on you know throughout the Community and and and the world, so thank you all for sharing sharing in that regard we're gonna move on to our food section now good eaten, I think I think I like eating.
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Akil Hill: Is eating good.
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Hong Lieu: Good flow flows better good eat.
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Hong Lieu: So if there's if there's any any food that's been been giving your life for any any recipes or anything you want to share a secret.
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Akil Hill: missing is what is black history month yeah yeah better come with its day man I can't have this so Victor until may not be talking to y'all better bring some strong a day man.
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Hong Lieu: No man.
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Akil Hill: No, we need pressure.
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Akil Hill: makes diamonds player.
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Victor Bryant: let's start with this, I would tell what's what.
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Akil Hill: Have you been.
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Timothy Stone: laughing because you know i'm very vegetarian.
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Akil Hill: I know you are that's why we.
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Timothy Stone: Only make vegan food, you know the House.
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Timothy Stone: So a lot of a lot of people don't consider that to be very what you say, as black, but there is there are a lot of black vegan spots now down South you know started be more and more people are getting more enlightened you know.
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Timothy Stone: So one of the things I made recently that I really enjoyed was a I made some.
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Timothy Stone: Some big vegan MAC MAC and cheese.
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Timothy Stone: All right, it was delicious you know, had had this special cheese sauce that I got from this some this herbivores website that I that I wear a lot of my vegan food from and.
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Timothy Stone: It was great because I really hadn't made any kind of big MAC and cheese before and yeah i've been doing the more box thing like you know boiled and stern sauce you know but um it was nice to make some big MAC and cheese was delicious came out to list.
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Akil Hill: All right.
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Hong Lieu: I mean la la has a long history of vegan vegan soul food spots, I know this place to start simply wholesome to celebrate 36 years and in the south la Community there's.
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Hong Lieu: You know there's a lot of like like taco taco joints that are easily go vegan will see potatoes and jack through to kind of go so it's it's definitely been a lot first first Jamaican patty I had was a beacon Jamaican patty so.
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Timothy Stone: that's kind of i've been to quite a few good places down in La I love the vegan restaurants down here, you know.
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Akil Hill: All right.
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Akil Hill: All right, vic what you got.
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Victor Bryant: For me i'm not really the cook in my.
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Victor Bryant: She.
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Victor Bryant: She has been doing a good job of just kind of just you know catering to some of the things that I grew up with.
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Victor Bryant: You know, as a black kid growing up, you know so she's you know she went down to my mom and got her her recipe for her Green Greens she's been making that for me recently, you know.
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Victor Bryant: You know a little bit of him in their little some hot sauce on top and.
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Victor Bryant: amazing that's an amazing dish and, for me, I do cook breakfast for my family, we have a lot of creates eggs bacon sausage I, like my grits of actually how you eat your grits will tell you a lot as a person.
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Victor Bryant: About about someone has a person like margaret's was a little bit of sugar which a lot of people say you can't have sugar in your grits I disagree.
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Victor Bryant: If you know if you don't want to go your grip, I would just go straight salt and pepper but you know the ways to do it um yeah.
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Hong Lieu: I like a little sweet touch on Chris, but I do like I like hot sauce and my grades to but i'm just a hot sauce.
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Victor Bryant: Guy in general, so.
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Hong Lieu: question for you about your bacon though which you prefer bacon cookie method you on on the skillet are you in the oven microwave what's the you know.
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Victor Bryant: I put mine on this killer just a little bit of oil and just cook it as low as possible, my wife likes to cook it in the oven, so we whenever we both make it completely differently.
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Timothy Stone: I want to mention I just recently a purchase the waffle line.
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Timothy Stone: I still remember the time back when I was like four years old, or so and POPs made waffles for two weeks straight and he told me because we're broke, you know, and so I waffles for two weeks straight breakfast lunch and dinner.
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Timothy Stone: POPs came to pick me up from daycare in a brand new Ford Ltd, and I got in the car and I was like what you know what's going on and parcels like well you're not gonna be able to go to daycare anymore, because a President said I make too much money and.
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Timothy Stone: But uh we're not gonna have to you was no more.
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Timothy Stone: So I still remember that moment, I was like four years old, get into the back of ltv looking at the car like oh okay.
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Timothy Stone: But uh yeah so I bought the offline I really you know, take a lot about my POPs you know when i'm making waffles.
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Hong Lieu: To be panini press to you put a sandwich and they're close it down lawful and Chris people oh yeah.
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Akil Hill: it's funny how.
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Akil Hill: Food and and music always take transporters to a certain place in time, you know, like like I remember.
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Akil Hill: I grew up in the Midwest I spent some time in the Midwest and every fourth of July, we would always have these big Barbecue Community Barbecue fourth of July barbecues and.
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Akil Hill: There was all one year there's all these hot dogs leftover and I swear man I eat hot dogs for like my mom was putting that the hot dogs and everything for like the next like two three months dude it was like every morning hot dogs again like.
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Akil Hill: For breakfast in the spaghetti on it like it's just so I feel you with the waffle storytelling because.
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Akil Hill: what's your tell that story on my.
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Akil Hill: dad that's my hot dog story man it's like every day for like two months, you know because times are tough, you know.
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Victor Bryant: we've come a long way guys, I think we have.
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Victor Bryant: come a long way from the syrup sandwiches and.
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Akil Hill: Yet the server.
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Timothy Stone: split.
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Timothy Stone: split hot dogs and split Bologna.
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Timothy Stone: Yes, know that poor be important luck.
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Akil Hill: Man that's what it was this man listen I would I would put a little bit of get some sugar and get some cinnamon and then I would mix that together, and then I would get bread I would get a piece of butter melted so and then I just have cinnamon sounds.
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Victor Bryant: yeah.
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Akil Hill: You know that's what that's what it was you.
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Victor Bryant: know the beauty of those times as though you know is that you know how good of a job, like i'll say my parents didn't like you know, as you know, we we progress as a family, as I got older, but you know the heart, because my parents is love never really let me know they do such a good job.
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Akil Hill: of you know.
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Victor Bryant: You know me the same thing, every day, but just not not really knowing how bad it was looking back at it on as an adult life man.
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Hong Lieu: yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And it tells you how much you can survive growing up because everyone's like all proper nutrition this and that like like dinner for me one night, a lot of Nice bros peanuts and rice, I mean I survived i'm rose peanuts.
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Akil Hill: and rice.
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Hong Lieu: For how long you don't have to you can't tell me that I need all these vitamins and minerals, I know what it takes to truly live.
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Hong Lieu: Like that stuff is a luxury in terms of staying alive like you're you're not you know, like the levels there's levels to this game and so.
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Hong Lieu: I don't think I can survive because I know we we've seen that that lead the levels, you know that's that's the thing you can't show someone in you have to be in it, you know, like I can't you can't give someone a sandwich or not, but I live on this, where we could like kid are you crazy.
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Akil Hill: But.
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Hong Lieu: Whatever you have to if you have to just if you only have peanuts and rice you eat it and you'll be you'll be happy, you know, like.
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Hong Lieu: It does go a long way yeah.
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Akil Hill: Good eats out i'm actually going to go with vic to I.
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Akil Hill: You know my wife is has been on this Green kick, and so I think it started it started actually on thanksgiving because I woke up and I was feeling real nostalgic, because I was missing my grandmother and.
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Akil Hill: I just remember like on thanksgiving the House smelling and if you ever make Greens a house smelled is always smelled a certain way, and so we had got.
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Akil Hill: We had some Greens, and so I was like man I didn't know how to make them, and so you know we were talking and she was like yeah i'm going to make the Greens, and so my mind was like she's like i'm just gonna fry them up and do them and so i'm like I was like.
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Akil Hill: it's, not that I don't like them it's just like i'm.
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Akil Hill: i'm used to eating.
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Akil Hill: A certain way on thanksgiving so.
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Akil Hill: She basically.
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Akil Hill: figured out like I don't know what she looked at the recipe or not, and she end up, basically, making them, you know.
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Akil Hill: Like basically like how my grandmother, did you know she obviously I don't I don't eat pork so i'm Muslim, but we went with the Turkey bacon the smoke flavor and then you know just that that hardy's smell man, the whole place was all.
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Akil Hill: I just came downstairs and I was like I was gonna cry dude I like like to like to like cry because he heard the music like I smelled that smell it it smells in the year It made me think about my grandmother.
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Akil Hill: And the kitchen like that small tiny kitchen, you know, and so, if you're ever see rock saying we got hit her up about our Greens man Maybe she show you something.
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Akil Hill: We got to have a Derek she made some a couple days ago, and so we've just been on a green kick so just that's my that's my pick of the day, maybe i'll try to get you the recipe on that she.
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Hong Lieu: Oh no I don't I don't want you spending any family secrets i'll get Internet.
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Hong Lieu: And then I will, I will start any beef, you know I don't want anyone still in secrets over here.
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Akil Hill: yeah so but yeah that's my trick what you got for us all.
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Hong Lieu: So i'm gonna piggyback off y'all go with some recipes my grandma when when you know when I was when I was hungry and you know and we basically Greens in the House, she would make me scrambled eggs, he was rice, but she would throw a little tomato in there for that mommy kick.
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Hong Lieu: So that's scrambled eggs and tomato is something.
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Hong Lieu: That is it's it's kind of a good base for certain Cantonese dishes where you'll see tomatoes mixed in with eggs as addition they a tramp or the lad scallions and stuff on top.
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Hong Lieu: So it's a it's a popular it's a classic dish and then even just tomatoes and other stuff like fish but for me that egg and tomato mix like.
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Hong Lieu: It when we didn't have that much but we had those ingredients on hand, you know we always had a had tomatoes.
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Hong Lieu: And then we always had rice, so you send everything with rice and it makes a little bit of egg last two or three meals, if you needed to.
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Hong Lieu: But then when you're feeling, you know when you live in large the most the egg and a little bit of rice and then another day you go the other way and he's a lot of rice, a little bit big but.
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Hong Lieu: That scrambled eggs and tomatoes and it's something where I try to make it today and it's simple you know scrambled a little tomato you know fish sauce or salt river to season.
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Hong Lieu: I just can't hit it right oh like i'm close.
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Hong Lieu: Close but either either my eggs to firm because it's it's you gotta get this like fluffy consistency to it, you know, like the eggs guy be fluffy.
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Hong Lieu: And they and they said tomatoes have to like reduce down a little bit so you get that real mommy kick that fit that fifth flavor you know the six cents, or whatever so.
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Hong Lieu: it's it's something where i'm still working on it, but it's it does always bring me back to think about my grandma and how she would always like she was always attentive to me.
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Hong Lieu: Because like my mom was working my dad my dad was in home working my mom was at home working she was.
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Hong Lieu: She was selling clothes like sweatshop, and so it was she was not able to do much of anything, besides work work work.
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Hong Lieu: So my grandmother was always at the kids are hungry i'll make you food, if you need anything, let me know you know and then she'd get her little break to watch your can't be so poppers and stuff.
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Victor Bryant: But but yeah it was.
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Hong Lieu: That that scrambled eggs and tomatoes bring me back like hearty healthy good like like the Greens like like tins vegan food its food the tardy issue that i'll fill you up and it's it's good for the soul and good for your body, so that that's what it is.
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Timothy Stone: So.
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Hong Lieu: Nice alright, so we move on good eating the higher learning where we're going to see what's a.
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Hong Lieu: piece of culture that are moving moving yeah I know you just mentioned that Patrice colors, but we can we can expand on that you can you can throw something else out there, why don't we just start off with TIM TIM this time.
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Hong Lieu: What you got for us to him.
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Timothy Stone: Okay, I think I was a mention this before I just recently received this book from my faith.
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Timothy Stone: You know, definitely one of my favorite rappers I it's hard for me to say favorite when people ask me for top five top 10 whatever I have so many favorites but this guy is like has taught me so much through his lyrics.
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Timothy Stone: Since I was a young man poor righteous teachers was the group back in the day and he's the rapper is called wise intelligent and he really hit me to a white supremacy and.
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Timothy Stone: A lot of knowledge that i'm very still to this day thankful for.
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Timothy Stone: So he just came out with this book is called three fifths and MC the manufacturing of a dumbed down rapper.
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Timothy Stone: And so i've just really started digging into it.
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Timothy Stone: But um it makes a lot of sense.
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Timothy Stone: Seeing what the the rap industry has become.
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Timothy Stone: Since the days I was listening to poor righteous teachers back in the 90s, you know they call the 90s, the.
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Timothy Stone: golden era of hip hop and for the reason that there was just a lot of one of the reasons is that there was a lot of real mcs which means.
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Timothy Stone: There was a lot of lyricism and a lot of beautiful poetry coming out of those times and you heard a lot of that stuff on radio sometimes or you might see it on MTV.
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Timothy Stone: And now the industry has changed significantly to where he's writing a book like this, this about three fifths of an MC that may be focused more on.
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Timothy Stone: You know, violence, sex, drugs, you know and not that that's not part of our culture that that's not part of rap because it is, but the thing is that's the only part that the industry focuses on.
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Timothy Stone: So you could have a wide scope of music and then you could have like.
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Timothy Stone: Those things in a certain section of it but they've made it the whole section of what people hear and see, and so a lot of people believe that's, the only thing.
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Timothy Stone: That hip hop or rap is significant for is for sex drugs and violence but me being a person that's been listening to it all this time staying current with the genre I know that's not true.
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Timothy Stone: You know, and I have, but I have to dig to find the stuff that I that I like but there's a lot of marvelous rappers out there, like common and wise intelligent cares one brother Jay from X clan even more current rappers.
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Timothy Stone: And I listened to you know black thought from the roots.
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Timothy Stone: You know I I, like you know a lot of different also like a lot of new groups I like this new cat named toby and with way he really has some significant music coming out, I really love the content.
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Timothy Stone: of a lot of new artists, that I have something to say, and you know and, in these times i've noticed that you know songs are starting to come.
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Timothy Stone: become more cultural again with what we got going on, also some artists might be leaning towards a could not more cultural type lyrics which you know I like to hear but uh this book it's really i'm really excited to read it, and actually my man wise intelligent signed it for me.
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Timothy Stone: Since I ordered it from this website, but he also signed it and everything and i've actually been really blessed.
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Timothy Stone: And as you were talking about my show earlier i've been blessed to be able to interview wise intelligent, along with like chuck D from public enemy brother Jay from an ex clan.
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Timothy Stone: A lot of different rappers you know Hieroglyphics.
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Timothy Stone: Just just a lot of different people that I that i've wanted to meet that i've that i've been blessed enough to meet and interview and and learn from you know.
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Timothy Stone: Another thing I was really blessed to do along those lines was a interview cares one and got got lucky enough to go on tour with them one time, you know that was really fun and so i've had a lot of good experiences with hip hop and with cultural mcs that have something to say.
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Akil Hill: Those are some heavyweights that you just dropped out there man.
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Timothy Stone: I mean i've been blessed you know, but it does said, my heart.
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Timothy Stone: To see the direction of the way that the direction the radio has gone now and the industry has gone, because now, I think a lot of rappers they believe you know that they have to.
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Timothy Stone: Talk about sex drugs and violence in order to be viable or to be successful period and the industry has really set it up that way to make it very difficult.
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Timothy Stone: For our artists, not to believe that or to do that, I think a lot of artists that we see that are creating more progressive music.
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Timothy Stone: aren't necessarily caught up in the industry to where they're releasing the music more on their own, or more independently.
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Timothy Stone: And so, one good thing about the Internet and about YouTube and that stuff is that if you really do have a strong game, you can get people interested in your music and to listen to it.
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Timothy Stone: it's difficult, but it can be done and I just i'm proud of the people that.
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Timothy Stone: That do music like wise intelligent, for example, he's put out three albums in the last maybe five or six years.
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Timothy Stone: That they don't get a whole lot of attention, but you can tell, he does the music for the culture.
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Timothy Stone: And he does the music, because he cares about the music and because he's very talented at it, he has something to say and he's never.
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Timothy Stone: What you say sold out as I would consider a lot of rappers have done he's always just been true to himself.
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Timothy Stone: And he's never he was popular back in the day with poor righteous teachers, but now he's not that popular but.
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Timothy Stone: he's got books out he's got albums out he has he might sell 10,000 records or something whatever you know but and but he has hardcore listeners like myself and i'm thankful that there's a lot of music out here for me to listen to, but even though I have to find it.
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Akil Hill: yeah.
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Timothy Stone: And that that's why I have a radio show today like I have so much music that I want to play for people, and you can listen to my radio show on Casey as the 91.9.
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Timothy Stone: it's on every Sunday night at midnight from midnight to two and it's also online on K CSP dot O rg and you can check there but um yeah just want to get that out just a i'm a big hip hop head and I just believe.
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Timothy Stone: In positive hip hop and progressive hip hop and it's something that I don't want to see disappear.
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Timothy Stone: I want to keep alive and there, there are people out there still doing it and people still listening to it, and I really hope that more people keep expanding their horizons in and check out more music than just what the industry and what.
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Timothy Stone: The media is throwing at them.
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Hong Lieu: And this conversation this point you're speaking on TIM, this is, this is a larger point about kind of capitalist systems and the fact they have on create creativity and artistry.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, this is a conversation that happened when punk went mainstream where instead of focusing on the political overtones and the DIY nature things they focused on the fashion.
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Hong Lieu: This is what happened to hip hop where they focus on just the misogyny and the things that sell the partying I mean even electronic music drum and bass first time you hear everyone's talking about bro step.
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Hong Lieu: And molly but they're not talking about pillar, which is peace love unity and respect, which is the foundational aspect of most electronic music is built on so it's one of those things where.
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Hong Lieu: As to as to whether those pieces of culture die, they will never die because the underground will always be there to represent the true aspects of the culture.
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Hong Lieu: But on the flip side of that are you taking away the ability for real true artists to make money and the unfortunate answer is.
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Hong Lieu: yeah you're cutting into a large chunk of the pie, to take that means for you so unless you unless you quote unquote sell out and.
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Hong Lieu: When your culture goes mainstream you either choose whether you want to be more commercially viable or remain true the culture it's a tough choice.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, and this, and this like I said, even beyond creatively in terms of.
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Hong Lieu: music and film it's up this goes to all creativity, you know journalism Victor you have that conversation do I want to sell out and write puff pieces or do I want to do hard hitting.
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Hong Lieu: You know truth to power journalism, which will not make you money you know, so why, why do artists, why do creative people have to make that choice.
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Hong Lieu: Why does the mainstreaming and the commodity commodification of things, make it so that that binary decision has to be made, why can't there be a little bit of both why can't that you know, like these.
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Timothy Stone: This is the kind of see it right now sorry our society is is taking spectacle over substance more and more, you know spectacle over substance.
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Timothy Stone: I mean hey I I like a pretty movie I like watching SCI fi I like spectacle, but I also like substance, I also like to understand and know things you know what I mean.
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Timothy Stone: So you know there, it is a very narrow line that we're we're walking right now, and you know it's dangerous It really is dangerous, when we look at.
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Timothy Stone: You know this whole q&a thing and people just believing anything that they read or hear because they don't watch the news, or because they're they're not educated or or informed any other way, and so they can be easily influenced that sort of thing.
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Timothy Stone: And it's very dangerous, and I think we've seen that it happened to you know the extent that it did.
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Timothy Stone: On the the.
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Timothy Stone: The rate on the capital, you know that that what we saw there was you know, violence and and violence is our society is violent that's Another thing I have the biggest problem I have with the new music right now is the violence in the gunshot I mean.
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Timothy Stone: When people are just being murdered by the police in a pandemic, all this violence with war in all this.
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Timothy Stone: political violence, all this medical violence that we're seeing a guest star Community instill I hear rappers nonchalantly talk about how they shoot people in guns and.
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Timothy Stone: And you see all these rappers dying is back in 2020 this year we saw how I can't even count the number of rappers has been shot.
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Timothy Stone: This this whole violence of the culture and just perpetuating it, I have just a huge problem with that, so I really.
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Timothy Stone: You know, try to really gone away from playing playing that type of music playing playing the violence really offends me yeah.
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Akil Hill: Nice thanks for.
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Timothy Stone: interrupting but gangsterism is so respected right, so I mean.
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Hong Lieu: And that's where brushes in the brushes and with the commodification because in the suburbs, where you know a lot of hip hop is purchased nowadays that that message is what sells because.
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Hong Lieu: If you don't have that access to the real your best access is through that through that music so.
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Hong Lieu: For them it's like getting that exposure, but for the people actually live in it recording that music they're in a deep you know so it's that and that and those consequences are deep as well, so definitely definitely larger conversation.
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Timothy Stone: I mean it's a big yeah I mean it's, it is a big conversation.
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Victor Bryant: thing I just want to hold a preacher on a little bit more, because it was a he was he really got to some who have a whole podcast about.
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Victor Bryant: About capitalism and commodified art and things of that nature.
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Timothy Stone: No for real, yes I just.
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Timothy Stone: Sometimes I say stuff because I don't want to forget what i'm thinking.
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Timothy Stone: So sorry I interrupt you sorry about that.
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Hong Lieu: Because I know because I know I know I when I grew up I kind of wanted to get some writing stuff too so hearing your.
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Hong Lieu: story victor.
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Hong Lieu: You really resonate with me, because in seeing that when I worked in video games, I was trying to do, writing.
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Hong Lieu: and seeing the kind of things that kind of concessions and sacrifices, you have to make a choice at a certain point, do I still want to pursue this.
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Hong Lieu: To the possible detriment to my own mental health and well being you know the the concessions, you have to make in your art, because to you is.
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Hong Lieu: It feeds you that creative essence when you have a really good piece that you've really put together.
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Hong Lieu: And it's clean and a flow don't you I mean you can feel that you know so trying to tap into that environment we're trying to get paid, I mean if you want to speak on that a little bit curious just those skills concessions their real name they they they affect you right, I mean.
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Timothy Stone: Absolutely just.
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Timothy Stone: rapping in journalism are two of the most dangerous professions in it that's kind of crazy.
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Victor Bryant: It is crazy, you know.
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Victor Bryant: You know, a following your passion and making the most money are often to divergent paths are found, especially, especially in journalism.
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Victor Bryant: You know that you know I came into journalism exclusively writing sports and you know I had a lot of good things happen to me that way I you know i've been picked up by the Associated Press i've been in.
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Victor Bryant: Almost every newspaper in the country based on things that i've written about sports but.
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Victor Bryant: Now you know i'm you know the independent is a publication, I believe in and i've just been deeply challenges, you know branch out and write about things that matter to me in my community and addition to you know lifting up athletes to.
574
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Victor Bryant: have done a good job in the Community, but yeah it's it's always it's always a struggle of you know you want to tell authentic stories you want to be able to.
575
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Victor Bryant: give a voice to the voiceless.
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Victor Bryant: In the in the end, you want it, you want to be able to be impactful to people in a positive way, and you know that.
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Victor Bryant: oftentimes that isn't really congruent with you know you know maximizing your earnings potential So for me, that is something that I, that I have ran into quite a bit um you were speaking earlier about you know, I was talking about the Patrice colors book which it's on a lot of these.
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Victor Bryant: same topics which you know she's The co founder of the black lives matter movement which kind of came out of it kind of became birth, with the whole trayvon Martin.
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Victor Bryant: The tragic killing.
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Timothy Stone: When she spoke on campus right.
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Victor Bryant: yeah she's going to be oh she's actually going to be having to talk on may 12 he says this whole book with.
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Victor Bryant: The reason why I reviewed this book is because it's to the ucsb research program which is like a one book comic book program where everyone on campus is reading the same book.
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Victor Bryant: And so there can be a lot of discussion, out of it and that's what we really need is we need avenues for people to really talk about these issues in depth, because there's a lot of nuance that gets lost specially in our politics.
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Victor Bryant: But when we talk about our criminal justice system, and you know you know people talk about the funding, the police and things of that nature.
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Victor Bryant: People here to fund the police and they don't understand where that sentiment is coming from you know when you talk about how black neighborhoods in his bag neighbors people of color are criminal law.
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Victor Bryant: in Los Angeles, when you talk about the fact that United States has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners, why are we looking up so many people when you when you really dig into these different subjects like Patrice does in the book.
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Victor Bryant: It can, it can be a really what a way to enlighten people beyond just their political ideology or the dogma that you know, like people, just like to spew which is sometimes just based on ignorance.
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Victor Bryant: And it's because they've never really had these discussions, I you know I you know at a in depth level, to the point where they can really come up with their own conclusions.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I feel like too many times, people are fed talking points where it's like an if this then that like a computerized thing because we're so Internet and.
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Hong Lieu: So, like if you hear defensively some people are also like you said defined I don't want to you want to take all the money way it's like.
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Victor Bryant: That is not even the common, oh no but then at that point.
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Hong Lieu: The whole thing is twisted and he's in the.
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Hong Lieu: next hour talking about.
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Hong Lieu: How you don't want to defend your.
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Timothy Stone: I mean it's just it's just a blank on people hear what they want to hear.
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Hong Lieu: yeah.
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Timothy Stone: don't just.
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Timothy Stone: don't want to try to understand for them.
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Victor Bryant: So those opportunities like you're.
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Hong Lieu: Saying are important.
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Victor Bryant: We talk about all the money and resources that got put into.
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Victor Bryant: Just over criminalizing can policing people of color in Los Angeles, and only a portion of that money was put into.
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Victor Bryant: Community Center or education that's what you mean when when you say to fund the police is like diverting resources from throwing back people in jail for Nonviolent we defenses drug offenses.
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Victor Bryant: and divert some of that capital to building up investing in the Community itself now people want to talk about that.
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Akil Hill: yeah.
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Victor Bryant: They don't want that to be a buyer and they just want to talk about Oh, they don't want to leave the enter key.
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Akil Hill: Well, you know.
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Akil Hill: I said I think it's kind of what speaking to the point that to make is that it when you talk about the funding the please.
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Akil Hill: it's.
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Akil Hill: I guess what my point is my point that I was going to make, but it was in correlation to what TIM was saying about how.
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Akil Hill: You know it's yeah so I forgot my point I lost my.
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Hong Lieu: And the percentage the presenters were talking about like 5% 3% 1% of a budget, you know we're not.
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Hong Lieu: Like 60% of a budget we're talking 5% literally and and it's.
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Victor Bryant: 2% of a police budget is a ridiculous amount of money it's what you.
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Timothy Stone: mentioned how things are mandated.
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Timothy Stone: And how violence is mandated by the industry like they want people to be violent it's for a reason is for a purpose.
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Akil Hill: And right.
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Timothy Stone: So with wise intelligent talks about how gangs.
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Timothy Stone: And the police work often work together.
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Timothy Stone: And so, when we're looking at all this violence, and all this stuff going on right now, you really have to consider that the police have been known to cooperate with a lot of with a lot of street gangs black streaking, in particular, so it it's it's very interesting.
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Timothy Stone: What has happened when you look at it.
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Akil Hill: On my thing also to is I mean, have we not defunded our education system already we don't have we don't have I remember going to school, there was an art program there is all these other programs, where they are now they're they're not they're not existed, so we basically.
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Akil Hill: So we've been defending education.
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Akil Hill: The whole entire time but for some reason, when we say defendant please.
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Akil Hill: It becomes it becomes problematic and then also the piece, too, is.
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Akil Hill: The same way that we spend and it's a part of the bigger picture to is the way that the same that we invest in spinning and policing is same.
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Akil Hill: way that we spent in invest in our military budget as well why, why do we have this robust budget for the military and then you know we don't have any money invested, and you know other areas that we're lacking.
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Akil Hill: You know so always there's a.
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Timothy Stone: correlation asked where the money comes from for the police budget.
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Timothy Stone: But they always asked where the money is going to come from to fund programs to social programs for marginalized people's yeah.
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Akil Hill: yeah.
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that's true.
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Victor Bryant: A lot of the problems we have with mental health, I mean people who have you know diagnosable mental health issues are thrown into prison.
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Victor Bryant: And then those issues spiral downwards, to the point where it's hard to really get a handle on their true issues now now they have all this other additional baggage that they pick up in prison, when these people should be getting treatment.
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Akil Hill: yeah that's a good point.
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Victor Bryant: And then.
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Victor Bryant: they're not equipped to do that.
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Akil Hill: But also there's also the piece to about our police officers or like they we shouldn't be asking them to do that type of work anyways because they're not trained in that type of work.
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Akil Hill: You know what I mean, and so, if we're trying to be look at both sides of the coin here it's like yeah, why are we asking our police officers to take on all these extra burdens.
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Akil Hill: That they're not equipped or trade or have any type of expertise and and really.
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Timothy Stone: The problem is more the criminal justice system itself, then just the police.
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Timothy Stone: yeah.
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Akil Hill: And there's a whole system.
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Timothy Stone: About marsha marsha Ali called racially.
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Timothy Stone: racially criminalize or something like that.
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Timothy Stone: And it's about misdemeanors and how that of how they basically criminalize criminalized black and brown people, and you know if you get a misdemeanor and you're rich doesn't matter.
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Timothy Stone: As.
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Victor Bryant: Well, if you're.
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Victor Bryant: interested in.
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Timothy Stone: Business just from a misdemeanor.
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Victor Bryant: What when you think about the school to prison pipeline it's just absurd, you know kids are 11 1213 are already getting pushed to a system they're already being.
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Victor Bryant: conditioned.
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Victor Bryant: To being institutionalized.
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Victor Bryant: yeah based on things that happened when their adolescence and women, once you get caught in that cycle, it will forever change your destiny, so this, these are These are subjects that you know a lot of people.
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Victor Bryant: Even upon broken them they question your patriotism upon broaching the subject you're called a socialist or a Communist yeah what to do with the can you give me a functioning definition of socialism, please like.
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Victor Bryant: It because I don't think it means what you think it means and it's just one of those things where I just think that we just need to you know have real in depth nuanced conversations.
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Victor Bryant: We are talking points so that people can really understand where we're coming from.
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Victor Bryant: And really understand what's needed to have to first to have a more perfect Union.
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Hong Lieu: And that's and that's my program the ucsb reads is helpful because people will come to this conversation with that same baseline I mean every will have will have read the book or at least know the book exists, so you can.
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Hong Lieu: Google it.
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Hong Lieu: and have that and have that base level and and be open to that conversation where Patrice coach can come speak and speak on topics and everyone will have that same baseline where.
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Hong Lieu: Where sometimes these conversations happen organically, and your various levels, and it just spirals out of control, where I.
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Hong Lieu: mean I i'm very reluctant to engage in any of these conversations outside of a more like kind of focus platform, because it just it just evolves very quickly into.
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Hong Lieu: into Internet talking points and it's like.
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Hong Lieu: we're so conditioned to kind of just give me give me that base and i'll go with that it's like it's good to have these kind of programs so shout out to ucsb read shout out to Patrice college for coming to engage in this conversation.
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Hong Lieu: And shout out to you for for bringing that book up, thank you very much.
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Hong Lieu: Okay, you want to go you want me to go.
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Akil Hill: You can go ahead and jump in i'm.
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Hong Lieu: Okay i'm gonna piggyback a little bit off of tim's pick.
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Hong Lieu: My pick for today is going to be people in the stairs os T there i'm from 2002 double K remember people in the years passed away recently there's been a lot of of.
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Hong Lieu: passages in the hip hop Community mf doom died, you know, a couple months ago that just came out recently and.
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Hong Lieu: And double K, to me, is is right up there, too, because he wasn't.
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Hong Lieu: As an la fixture people in the stairs were a very influential crew and just came out of that mid 90s kind of La underground California underground scene really because.
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Hong Lieu: You had crews like freestyle fellowship and Jurassic five down in La you had Hieroglyphics and living legends holding it down in the Bay so.
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Hong Lieu: I mean you have to click he 40 4040 went solo he was in the clinic I mean it's just a lot of a lot of great hip hop was coming out of California at that time.
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Hong Lieu: And people in the stairs were distinctive to me because they were.
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Hong Lieu: beat makers and mcs but they they record their own stuff they produce their own beats they wrote their own rhymes they did everything so that.
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Hong Lieu: Coming from punk and that DIY ethos, where you were recording in your bedroom on a four track recorder.
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Hong Lieu: People on the shares were making beats and recording tracks in their bedroom on a four track recorder, so it was just that commonality that that do yourself, you know ethos was very strong with this one double K, I mean they met.
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Hong Lieu: They met to make music to get away from from certain aspects of their of their surroundings, but they were very deferential and shouting out la they made a point.
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Hong Lieu: To to in in their rhymes reference spots that you know if you if you came up you know about like.
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Hong Lieu: going to San Pedro to eat sandwiches at the busy be like you might not know if not from La or the South Bay, but if you ever went and you're like oh man.
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Hong Lieu: All right, you know, like they made a point to shout out la shout out various parts of La shout out all aspects of of of that culture and they really put on for la they really put off for hip hop.
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Hong Lieu: And I will miss double kg or the I miss I will miss people on the stairs but they they kind of semi retired in 2019 after you know.
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Hong Lieu: Close to 20 albums that they had recorded, you know produce wrote and put out themselves so they definitely put in their run and.
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Hong Lieu: i'm sad double K is gone, but i'm glad that, then we still have the music and test one still with us so people in this year's osd although they're all dissolved discography is excellent.
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Timothy Stone: And they came to Santa Barbara a couple times right.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I saw them, I saw them at velvet Jonathan i'll also say.
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Hong Lieu: yeah the practice of putting hip hop acts that velvet Jones the sound there so bad like.
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Hong Lieu: Like the vocals are never the vocals are never engineered right i've ever.
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Hong Lieu: Jones the beats always sound like me coming out of a tin can like they used to pull all the punk bands and all the hip hop acts development Johnson I love them with john because I did see a lot of cool cool X there.
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Hong Lieu: But that sound was it was not on the level of soho and i'm like, why does anyone play soho and you know it might be one of those unspoken things where they don't let them play it so because they're too rough or whatever, but.
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Hong Lieu: As we.
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Hong Lieu: All know that throwing them in velvet again, I mean I would go and I would love it, but there is something there where it's like that must have been someone spoken like bias going on.
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Because.
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Hong Lieu: They would throw some rough and tumble I mean.
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Hong Lieu: yeah quote up until the last event i'm like that sounds bad if you don't.
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Hong Lieu: yeah.
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Hong Lieu: I mean you're the end like I saw Ray quanta soho so it did kind of open up you know, like in the last couple years they seem them opened up and because velma Jones is kind of different but yeah like.
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Timothy Stone: know the musicality now.
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Hong Lieu: Music alley but I haven't heard I haven't heard any music alley shows officially put on, so we are in the middle.
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Timothy Stone: Of the pandemic.
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Hong Lieu: yeah yeah so.
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Hong Lieu: But yeah.
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Timothy Stone: Not show, like last week they've been putting on a couple things there but but uh yeah due to the pandemic we're not seeing too many shows period but um I think it will be I think it's actually been rebuilt.
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Timothy Stone: By an associate of mine, and I think it's going to be a pretty nice sound now and it looks looks like it will be pretty cool harmful.
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Timothy Stone: I think they read it.
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Akil Hill: So we'll see now.
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Timothy Stone: we'll see soon.
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Timothy Stone: To be able to go to concerts.
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again.
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Timothy Stone: Again, one day.
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Hong Lieu: You know and and that that part and I follow some tour music, I mean I don't have a Twitter account and work on Twitter and I follow some musicians.
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Hong Lieu: And you know to see your whole industry, I mean all industries have been hit pit by the pandemic like you know, restaurants and stuff your income is taking a hit.
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Hong Lieu: tour if you're a touring musician your whole industry was destroyed like it's gone it doesn't exist, you know, so how that how that rebuild and recovers isn't on is a storyline to keep track of for sure.
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Victor Bryant: most definitely yeah.
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Timothy Stone: I see people talking about how they're attacking the arch with this whole thing as well, like this is the arts are under attack.
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Hong Lieu: yeah because I mean and people understand specifically they made they made a lot of money with their live shows they always put on live.
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Hong Lieu: They broke first in Europe and went on tour in Europe first and then you know they they brought a lot of X, to open up for them.
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Hong Lieu: Like you know MAC Miller macular brought people on the stairs to tour, with him, but people necessarily gym class heroes were opening up for people in the stairs back in the day, so.
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Hong Lieu: it's that cycle of how touring you build camaraderie with other artists and our stuff and that's gone, so I hope I hope we can get back to us to a similar to what it was before, but we'll have to see.
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Hong Lieu: Alright akil.
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Akil Hill: Well there's two things one I.
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Akil Hill: i'm going to throw at i'm sure.
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Akil Hill: You guys are probably ready to heard about it, one of my favorite books of all time is between the world and me by it's not cheat codes and that's kind of like a staple.
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Akil Hill: Book if if you if the viewers or listeners out there want to you know.
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Akil Hill: kind of.
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Akil Hill: Get engaged in a book that kind of talks about the black experience the black male experience and and and.
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Akil Hill: Trying to look at it through a different lens I would highly recommend this particular book.
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Akil Hill: To Nashi coats is one of one of my favorite authors and this book is just really I think it's a masterpiece.
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Akil Hill: You know, I was looking online a couple days ago i'm and I liked it so much i'm like I gotta get this thing sign, you know but.
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Akil Hill: I looked at, I was looking at prices i'm like yeah maybe I shouldn't get this thing, so you know but it's definitely.
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Akil Hill: They did a series as well, too, I think it was on HBO they did like a US a series based off the book or they just you know have some famous.
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Akil Hill: People read the book and stuff, and so I would highly recommend people take a moment and read it and kind of reflect upon it so many lessons and things that he discusses throughout the book.
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Akil Hill: reflects and correlates directly to my my life and the black experience of being a black a black male.
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Akil Hill: Not only I would say, a black male but a black male of stature you know which is means something more as well in a lot of a lot of places a lot of spaces, where you show up and people just automatically intimidated by you, because of your presence and your size.
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Akil Hill: And so, this book means a lot to me, and so I want to share that with you guys so that's my book that's my share that's and scrape book it's a great read.
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Timothy Stone: I have to check those out.
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Hong Lieu: yeah just as a literary exercise that idea of like a letter letter you write to your you can and your son or whoever.
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Hong Lieu: yeah about about what the world is I got you know there's a lot of there's a lot of fields and stuff like that you know that Michael keep moving or he's dying on my life, and he teaches his son shane is not born and stuff but.
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Hong Lieu: I always think about that a lot, because you know my son is six right now so he's not he's not that old, but he.
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Hong Lieu: In terms of what would you hit them up to to the code, you know what would you what would you teach them what would you show them what would you demonstrate to them what would you point out to them it's it's very, very thought provoking kind of kind of.
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Akil Hill: wish I think he doesn't bring it leave what he does brilliantly throughout the book is he captures the feelings are there lessons that you have learned and been taught by your parents along the way.
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Akil Hill: That was never written it was all spoken right and and and, and so what the significance of that is is that's been passed down.
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Akil Hill: Right, so the same conversation my grandfather had with my father, he had with me and then I will carry that conversation for like if you know what do you do if you find yourself in this situation, and you know.
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Akil Hill: He just does to actually coach does an amazing job at that so.
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Akil Hill: It just captures so much, and so, hopefully, you guys take a look, or some listeners can take a look it's really it's it's a masterpiece in my mind.
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Hong Lieu: All right, alright, thank you, thank you.
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Akil Hill: I want to give one last shot out before we close the show, and this has been kind of on my heart, we lost.
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Akil Hill: A good staff member recently Steve recently passed away, and if we can put the link to his a bit would be great I worked with Steve and.
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Akil Hill: You know i'm still kind of i'm feeling some kind of way still about it, and I was you know Steve was a dear friend of me, and he was.
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Akil Hill: We weren't super close but definitely one of those people that when you saw you, you always checked in every time you saw you check today how's it going busy making small talk and.
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Akil Hill: i'm really going to miss him dearly so I just wanted to say i'll take a moment and recognize Steve its contribution to the College and what he's meant to me personally in my life and.
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Akil Hill: You know, he was his family was from Japan, and I have you know roots roots in a bias to Japan from being born in Japan and studying the martial arts, so there was a lot of.
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Akil Hill: areas in our lives that cross, so it meant a lot to me and I just wanted to to honor him and say that he's going to be missed dearly so.
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Akil Hill: that's it all in with that.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I worked with Steve briefly and I didn't realize how influential and huge him and his dad were in the local martial arts Community I didn't know he did martial arts I just talked to him about it stuff cuz he's an idea you just mighty stuff and he's.
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Hong Lieu: Always kind heart and stuff I didn't realize, he was he was like Yes, he thought about it platform on Black belt live in the dream yeah so.
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Akil Hill: And the good ones don't talk about him in you know the good the good ones don't talk about it yeah yeah.
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Akil Hill: All right.
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Akil Hill: Thank you, both for coming on thanks for.
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Hong Lieu: Now please go ahead and you.
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Akil Hill: know just saying thank you guys for both coming on and sharing your guys's experience.
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Akil Hill: with us and we look forward to to you know, having you guys back on it at some point and I definitely you guys are definitely brought.
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Akil Hill: Some wealth and hopefully the viewers can listen and learn, because I know definitely I learned a lot this this past hour and a half, with being with you guys.
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Hong Lieu: Any final parting words from either you before we sign off for today.
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Victor Bryant: I just I just love I just love sbc as a as a special place in my heart.
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Victor Bryant: Just because it's been a great part of my my personal story so hope you guys feel the same.
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Akil Hill: yeah absolutely.
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Timothy Stone: yeah I want to thank you all for being here and for having me here and got to send a shout out so ups all the students and staff out there.
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Timothy Stone: Just feel blessed to still be in this position of having a job and working on campus and it's a beautiful campus to work at, and I really appreciate it.
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Timothy Stone: I hope that one day soon we'll be able to go back to campus and you know see it again and I just hope everybody out there is staying healthy and happy and keep your spirits up.
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Hong Lieu: Well, said well said nothing, nothing, nothing says vaquero voices more than than than two folks that have been here a long time and.
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Hong Lieu: We can really feel the joy and the honor in your you know in how you speak it, so thank you all very much for joining us today was a true honor Thank you Akil as always.
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Hong Lieu: Likewise, thank you, and until next time this was SBCC Vaquero Voices. Take care y'all.