Akil and Hong welcome Stephanie Linnander from the Cashier's Office/Student Finance to the show. After breaking down the myriad ways in which Student Finance is helping to provide services to students, Stephanie goes into detail about growing up in DC and Sweden, and her path to SBCC; from there, Stephanie waxes poetic about zucchini boats and QQ, Akil sings the praises of Thai food in Thousand Oaks, and Hong enjoys fancy porridge and pastries in Summerland. As part of Higher Learning, the trio discuss the Danger of a Single Story, Yasuke, and Invincible.
Mentioned in this episode:
SBCC Fiscal Services - https://www.sbcc.edu/fiscalservices/
SBCC Student Finance/Cashiers -https://www.sbcc.edu/fiscalservices/cashier/
Ravenclaw - https://pottermore.fandom.com/wiki/Ravenclaw
Cashiers’ Office Phone - 805-730-4197
Cashiers’ Office Email - email@example.com
Taiwan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan
Sweden - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden
Kimchi Jjigae - https://www.koreanbapsang.com/kimchi-jjigae-kimchi-stew/
Ramadan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan
SBCC Study Abroad - https://www.sbcc.edu/studyabroad/
Mumbo Sauce - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbo_sauce
SBCC Campus Safety - https://www.sbcc.edu/safety/
Admissions and Records - https://www.sbcc.edu/admissions/
HelloFresh - https://www.hellofresh.com/
Hong10 (Breakdancer) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5WnXAyrHtw
Revolver Pizza - https://www.revolversb.com/
Field and Fort - https://www.fieldandfort.com/
Peasant’s Feast - https://www.peasantsfeast.com/
Mony’s Taqueria - https://monyssb.com/
Oceanview Park - https://goo.gl/maps/PzrteG1uPPZruHpP8
Bangkok Avenue - http://bangkok-avenue.cafe-inspector.com/
A & J Restaurant - http://website.uniquemobileapps.com/free/rios12345/aj_restaurant
Madam Lu’s Chinese Restaurant - http://madamlu.com/
Uniboil - https://uniboilsb.muncho.io/post/detail?businessId=5f7fde65a8e35e254d7605d2&noBack=true
Chicha San Chen - https://www.chichasanchensocal.com/
QQ - https://my.asiatatler.com/dining/qq-foods-in-5-forms-from-bubble-tea-to-oodles-of-noodles
Mochinut - https://www.mochinut.com/
MOR Doughnuts - https://www.mordoughnuts.com/
90 Day Fiance - https://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/90-day-fiance/
Danger of a Single Story (TED Talk) - https://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_ngozi_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story?language=en
SBCC ASL - https://www.sbcc.edu/modernlanguages/asl/
Invincible - https://www.amazon.com/INVINCIBLE-SEASON-1/dp/B08WJMRHYZ
Yasuke - https://www.netflix.com/title/80990863
Robert Kirkman - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kirkman
Flying Lotus - https://flying-lotus.com/
Brainfeeder - http://www.brainfeedersite.com/
Nobunaga’s Ambition - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobunaga%27s_Ambition
Age of Samurai -
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Hong Lieu: hello, and welcome to another episode of SBCC Vaquero Voices - a podcast highlighting the unique voices that comprise our campus culture and how we're all working together serve our students in the community at large, as usual i'm joined by my co host Akil Hill.
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Akil Hill: was good yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And today, we are honored to welcome Stephanie Linnander to the show welcome stephanie.
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Stephanie Linnander: Oh stephanie.
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Stephanie Linnander: Thank you guys, for having me.
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Hong Lieu: So you are in the cashiers Office, what is your official kind of title and what what's your what's your day to day like inside of the cashiers office.
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Stephanie Linnander: I am, so we are a student finance slash the cashiers office official title we recently were reclassified for a job title so it's now a student finance and accounts receivable technicians.
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Stephanie Linnander: So we are you know kind of split in two worlds, is what we are where parts student services and we're also parts fiscal services or a bit of a hybrid organization.
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Hong Lieu: So you are the money takers but you only take money from students Is that correct or in terms of what you handle.
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Stephanie Linnander: For the most part it's a student finances student accounts, but the accounts receivable aspect of it is a majority of the accounts receivable that come into the College.
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Stephanie Linnander: So that's where that fiscal services element comes into it it's a lot of district money it's a lot of all the trust money that comes in, as well.
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Stephanie Linnander: trusts are in all facets, whether that be for athletics, for every single sport every fundraiser and every subcategory of the sports student clubs garden theater the departments, so we handle all of those receivables as well.
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Hong Lieu: Oh wow so it's a lot bigger piece of the pie than I thought I thought it was just kind of like taking into student monies.
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Hong Lieu: And having to deal with like.
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Hong Lieu: irate parents calling about this and that but it's it's a much larger piece of the pie that okay.
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Stephanie Linnander: yeah it's a.
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Stephanie Linnander: Huge part exactly you know we have that's where you know our team is really splitting a lot of different functions.
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Stephanie Linnander: sandy does all the district money that comes in, from a lot of the the Rentals and you know citizenship Cosmetology program all wires on a does third party billing she builds our promise program she also takes care of all the child care billing as well for or phila.
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Stephanie Linnander: So, if anyone has their kids and she's she's the one taking your money there and.
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Stephanie Linnander: So we're really widespread that hence why we kind of got that reclassification of.
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Stephanie Linnander: differentiating that we are not only student accounts but we're also accounts receivable almost as a whole, a lot of departments have their own smaller billing areas as well, but that's why we are quite widespread in that aspect.
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Akil Hill: and
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I just thought.
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Akil Hill: I just thought people showed up and pay their parking tickets and and and basically yella you guys.
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Stephanie Linnander: Know that's a part of what we do and that's a common misconception, you know there's been comments of you know what you guys do besides, you know account change and pennies and give students change, for you know paying their tuition it's like Oh, let me tell you.
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Hong Lieu: I will see the other side, whereas like parents are calling you like, no purpose for but.
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Stephanie Linnander: We do use that line, unfortunately, a lot.
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Akil Hill: So.
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Stephanie Linnander: yeah so we're we're pretty big in that sense that we, we have a lot of things on our plate I think that's one of the great things about this podcast is you guys are kind of breaking down a lot of the.
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Stephanie Linnander: Common misconceptions and also opening people's eyes to you know what happens behind the scenes and in our office we.
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Stephanie Linnander: work collaboratively with a lot of the programs on, especially with her third party billing she's working with lps and he programs that pay for student tuition and fees.
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Stephanie Linnander: She works, hand in hand to make with them to, whether it be establishing a contract with those special programs to get those tuition fees paid ups pays a lot of the mandatory fees for students, making sure that the Foundation promise pays off student accounts.
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Stephanie Linnander: 529 college savings plans third party programs department of rehab the veterans benefits as well there's a lot of hands that were were constantly shaking.
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Stephanie Linnander: Throughout our department.
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Hong Lieu: And and that's kind of the the underbelly of the bookkeeping processes when you have.
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Hong Lieu: money coming from so many sources, I guess, we get money from the state but there's a lot of grant funding there's a lot of temporary like three to five year agreements that are coming in and out cycling in and out, I mean just.
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Hong Lieu: bookkeeping on any level kind of scares me like even my own personal finances is kind of daunting and intimidating, but to do it on the scale that y'all do it on I mean.
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Hong Lieu: it's a lot, you know, and it is something that preys on my kind of like in terms of who, I am as a person, it makes it's a one thing it's nerve racking to me.
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Hong Lieu: is getting my books right gaining balance so in terms of how y'all are handling all this stuff coming in and out and managing that and keeping track of these timelines while making sure the numbers work and things are balanced like y'all y'all do the lord's work right there for sure.
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Stephanie Linnander: that's only going to be sandy a lot of work, and there is.
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Stephanie Linnander: sandy and Nicole in our department Brittany over there as well, God they they are masters of what they do sandy she recently celebrated 20 years with sbc and so she is our we call her The historian, because she knows the ins and outs of that work and she's incredible.
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Akil Hill: You know I saw like you know shout outs to her, because I saw that she got her 20 years recognition and I was like what 20 years I say cars are showing look like she's 25.
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Stephanie Linnander: He.
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Akil Hill: was like yo she looks like she's 25 years old, she was at city college for 20 years.
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Stephanie Linnander: You know and it's one of the I don't often you can't really tell when she stressed out and that's another thing that I give sandy she is always so.
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Stephanie Linnander: calm and cool when you get to really know her for a long time, then you can kind of see it, you know believe all the layers but she's so good at managing that always figuring out like let's sit down let's get a game plan.
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Stephanie Linnander: And I think that stress management, however, she does it it's definitely shows.
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Akil Hill: and whatever she's got or she uses she needs a bottle that up and sell it man.
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Akil Hill: cuz i'll be the first in line you know and you're absolutely right, I mean i've been you know at the College, for I think like 17 years.
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Akil Hill: And she's always been just slide calm cool collective under the radar and just super helpful, as well as super knowledgeable too so yeah you're spot on on that.
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Hong Lieu: And that poker face kind of kind of serves the professional well because I know if i'm talking to someone about financial stuff and they started like.
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Hong Lieu: You know, get getting nervous about what i'm talking about the old man that's not good, you know so so that's stoicism kind of pride lend itself well to the position as well.
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Stephanie Linnander: Definitely absolutely So yes, our department, you know, primarily when it comes to serving students directly majority of our work is back office in that.
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Stephanie Linnander: Fiscal services side but student facing that's why Nicole has been making a big push to get into student services leadership and really making a bigger face.
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Stephanie Linnander: In terms of our work and pushing us beyond just that fiscal services bubble is because we do serve our students in a large capacity.
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Stephanie Linnander: So student and finance and student accounts is, it has to do with all of their tuition and fees or mainly related to tuition so we're not bookstore that's going to be a separate beast on its own, but any.
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Stephanie Linnander: Material fees, we had we get audit fees from the admissions and records office some extra forms that pop in from akil any departments that want to you know charge any fines, whether it be last book finds from the library.
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Stephanie Linnander: If you're using equipment from the photography department, for example, we have chutney that emails us and says hey.
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Stephanie Linnander: Can you charge a student for this that's where we come into play, and so students will ask us a lot of questions about you know why does my bill look like this, how much my paying.
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Stephanie Linnander: How can I pay when can I pay thicker and helping them figure out the logistics of how to best manage that account.
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Stephanie Linnander: We work hand in hand a lot with the financial aid department as well.
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Stephanie Linnander: Once financial aid makes their decision on what they're getting in terms of grants and loans.
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Stephanie Linnander: We run what's called the check round, which is a three department process and that's our biggest thing it's a four day into departmental job that we run.
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Stephanie Linnander: And the money basically flows down from financial aid hits the student accounts, we make sure that it's paying all the right things.
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Stephanie Linnander: And beta credit, creating a refund that can be sent out to the student if there's anything left in excess so we send it off, we do our.
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Stephanie Linnander: Two day process and heavy times, maybe three days we try not to do that, but it's about 25 to 26 different banner jobs.
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Stephanie Linnander: That is run primarily by Brittany on our team so she's locked into that for almost two days straight running those jobs.
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Stephanie Linnander: With the help of all our team to troubleshoot any problem accounts anything that's looking iffy and then we send it down to accounts payable and accounts payable takes those leftover funds and get some ready to be sent out as checks and direct deposits to our students.
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Akil Hill: man.
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Hong Lieu: yeah that's that's intense 26 better job I can imagine like because better has some cranky days.
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Hong Lieu: So bail out in the middle of a job run it's like.
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Akil Hill: Oh it's like.
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Akil Hill: Man listen I work in brand as well, and I know when when you start to see it spin dude you're about to like go run through the window you're like.
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Stephanie Linnander: No it's the worst you know, even if we're delayed and that's the thing because so many departments are involved in this job to.
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Stephanie Linnander: it's you know if one thing blows up and financially, then it's that domino effect.
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Stephanie Linnander: And there's some parts of the season, where we've had you know the cares grants those become extra runs on top of our just our weekly you know, two to three day job.
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Stephanie Linnander: Now we're taking care of that so it all has an impact, and you know kudos to it for for sure, taking our panic calls and chats and work orders and and getting us back online as fast as possible, because it has a major impact there.
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Stephanie Linnander: So there's a lot that we do there, so we help students understand how their financial aid is applying to pay for their tuition that's a big question there.
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Stephanie Linnander: So we help them understand it better and answer a lot of their their questions just related to tuition it sounds pretty vague but there's just a number of variants that that come through as you can imagine, of questions.
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Akil Hill: So it's so funny because the listeners weren't privileged to we had a conversation prior to coming on the air about we're talking about Harry Potter and we're talking about what houses, people are, and so you are totally completely Raven call it now, I see it.
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Akil Hill: The way that you just.
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Akil Hill: The way that you just explained everything.
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Akil Hill: Literally back to the backs up the fact that you're completely Raven call I thought she had a little bit of Griffin door undertones in there, and she probably still does but completely no doubt well.
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Hong Lieu: The confidence in the expression, but the thoroughness of that yeah.
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Akil Hill: that's Raven call or.
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Hong Lieu: explanation I i'm only just now getting Harry Potter now in terms of renewed to my son, because I read the first book a long time ago, so i'm not in too deep in this as well, but I I definitely yeah I can see.
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Stephanie Linnander: It as a compliment.
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Akil Hill: It is it is.
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Hong Lieu: So, if your student looking to you have questions you want some help.
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Hong Lieu: what's the best way to kind of reach out to your office or should they even reach out to your office till they go to the other auxiliary department first, or is there, or should they kind of look for y'all as a point of contact.
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Stephanie Linnander: They should definitely come to us a one day thing with us, as if we're not the right person for you will point you in the right direction.
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Stephanie Linnander: will never turn them away a lot of the things that we do a lot of times end up being a hand in hand thing where they do need to come to not only us, but also the other department, for example.
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Stephanie Linnander: If it was photography equipment they need to go back to them or latics they need to go to them, but they also still need to work hand in hand with us so if we're not the right person will point you in the right direction.
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Stephanie Linnander: But generally yep Come on, through our doors or generally, the best way to reach us is email firstname.lastname@example.org that's my main point of work, I do.
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Stephanie Linnander: majority of the customer service for our students is my job in the cashiers office, so we have phone lines where we have.
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Stephanie Linnander: phone support from mariel came over from the bookstore to help us out with the phone so he's currently on the cashiers phone line.
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Stephanie Linnander: Helping to answer general questions and if there's anything that somebody wants a phone call directly from one of us about put them on a list and we'll give you a call back at the end of the day, or the following business day.
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Hong Lieu: And their folks actually have to pay, do you take like newer forms of payment like square things of that sort, or is it, I mean Ben mo or is it just credit.
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check a coin.
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Stephanie Linnander: coin oh i'm always in the dose coin.
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Stephanie Linnander: We got all those you know so we're still we still kind of, say, a pretty traditional in that sense, where we take Visa, MasterCard discover and amex.
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Stephanie Linnander: Payments are online, we do have international payments methods as well for international students, that they can pay with their local bank back in their home country to send us wire transfers so that's an option.
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Stephanie Linnander: But currently we aren't able to accept cash that's the the big difficulty with being remote, you can mail on a check, but then we have issues with our seven day drop for non payment deadline.
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Stephanie Linnander: Is is that issue that's been one thing that's just been running into is now being able to get payments in on time because of that lack of being able to come in to us in person and handle those payments.
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Hong Lieu: So online payment would be the optimal kind of path for folks because that that check later day because it's like an unknown there's not like a set yeah i'd say go go with the one where you know, the amount of time is going to take to get the payment.
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Stephanie Linnander: Exactly exactly and it's been a tough one in terms of equity, especially is not everybody has bank accounts or access to a debit card or credit card.
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Stephanie Linnander: So as you're saying oh just hop online and pay that's not an easy thing to ask everybody.
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Stephanie Linnander: So there's different ways we've been able to figure out solutions for students, the esl program has been working really closely with their students to figure out good ways to get them taken care of.
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Stephanie Linnander: And what we recommend it in this case is you can get a prepaid debit card.
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Stephanie Linnander: And we do accept prepaid cards so if you need a pop into your CVs you know hand, you know get a prepaid visa you know load up your know your $22 and mandatory fields, you can use that to pay online so that's been our main suggestion as kind of that work through that for our students.
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Akil Hill: A common he asked question that I get in mission and records is surrounding the issue of a payment plan so Do you know anything about that or can you speak a little bit on that if where we're at with that.
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Stephanie Linnander: yeah with Nicole, I am the go to payment plan person for our office I do the payment plan administration for.
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Stephanie Linnander: Our students so with payment plans we have our standard ones, which is right now open for the two.
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Stephanie Linnander: Long term semesters which is fall and spring, so we open them up a couple months in advance right now fall payment plans are open.
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Stephanie Linnander: and students can sign up for a payment plan to make more flexible payments on their tuition.
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Stephanie Linnander: The ideal, the goal of it is that the tuition is actually paid off within about you know, a month and a half of the Semester starting so students that are enrolled haven't been enrolling now are on a five month plan.
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Stephanie Linnander: So it's more flexible and more generous for the students, we do have students that come in and they owe a debt to the College and.
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Stephanie Linnander: As we know, with an outstanding balance hold they can't come in and register and for a lot of these students like well i'll get financial aid to pay it off, but you got to register first.
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Stephanie Linnander: Before you can get that financial aid to pay off what you owe in the past, so we were trying to think about way more ways to be inclusive and provide more options for our students because before it was.
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Stephanie Linnander: Sorry man you gotta pay it off in full, you know, otherwise your whole time coming up your account so we've opened past do payment plans for students.
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Stephanie Linnander: it's by petition, and so a student little petition with our office we actually modeled it after the petition for waiver of college regulations after working in admissions for a little bit.
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Stephanie Linnander: Students can basically you know, let us know what happened there's things that that go on and students lives we know from their stories that.
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Stephanie Linnander: things happen, and a lot of times it's financially pullbacks that they got a financial aid they had to drop out and they owe back the grants that they were given.
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Stephanie Linnander: And that's been the biggest hurdle that we've seen most commonly for students is something happened they had to drop out now they owe back that financial aid that they got.
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Stephanie Linnander: And it puts them in this really tough to catch 22 system, so they petition with us, we take a look at it look at their goals academically and and just a little bit about their history and.
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Stephanie Linnander: We generally approve those students, just to let them back in so what happens is they make a down payment on their payment plan.
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Stephanie Linnander: And we lift their hold so there'll be paying their payment plan, while they're enrolled in their classes, to get them back in the door, and allow them to make payments.
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Stephanie Linnander: While they continue off their studies and it's been really beneficial for the students we've had a lot of great success stories that come out of it, I check up on the ones that we gave payment plans to.
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Stephanie Linnander: You know year and a half ago, and I see him still continuing on paying their bills and full and and succeeding academically so it's it's been working and it's been really cool to see that and work with the students on that.
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Hong Lieu: yeah that's that Griffin door Raven club blend right there I feel.
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Stephanie Linnander: Like.
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Hong Lieu: she's checking in.
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Hong Lieu: sure that they're still doing the thing, and I mean that's.
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Hong Lieu: And the fact that you're referencing story individual stories you're showing compassion empathy.
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Hong Lieu: People that handle money that whenever I work with with the business folks you know that the bookkeepers be handling they don't show this kind of compassion empathy and like you know.
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Hong Lieu: just looking out for the the lived experiences of our student body like like you saw a need you saw an area that was kind of.
00:19:04.470 --> 00:19:12.240
Hong Lieu: Gray, or that that the areas weren't kind of lined up correctly and you, you created that buffer to allow things to kind of still work and flow so that's I mean.
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Hong Lieu: Not only like using individual experience to to like change a process but changing that process, seeing it through and seeing the positive outcomes that you're now getting on the other side, I mean that's that's just like.
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Hong Lieu: that's just awesome it's great work on on your department and kudos all y'all because.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I definitely can see that being an ongoing should I remember when the library feasting was it was an issue where people would have like you know dollar 50 library fees on their account and that's that's something y'all kind of.
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Hong Lieu: addressed as well, so so y'all have really been taking a look at kind of the issues that were students are facing in terms of you know.
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Hong Lieu: Dealing with the fiscal side of things and kind of removing some of those barriers so so in terms of the mission of the College and creating more more diverse, you know, equitable and inclusive environment yeah y'all y'all doing the damn thing right now so so Hats off for sure.
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Akil Hill: i'm I wouldn't even I mean i'm just gonna actually just step out on a limb and end date myself, you know, like, I remember back in the day when you know my parents with.
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Akil Hill: You know I mean from a financial point of view, they didn't have a whole lot and so.
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Akil Hill: You know, we had to put stuff on my way man when I put stuff on layaway my parents would like I remember them teaching me just.
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Akil Hill: Early on, like look you put on layaway you make your payments, every time and then, once you pay it off.
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Akil Hill: It actually becomes yours, and then they also you know to me like and then I remember actually putting something on layaway.
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Akil Hill: At one point in time, and you know paying it off and getting there was like a stereo and so just it felt like I had a paper route, so I, it was a sense of accomplishment you know what I mean, and I mean.
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Akil Hill: I just like that idea of working people and meeting people where they're at, and you know it's not that.
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Akil Hill: You know people don't want to pay just people are just you know living from paycheck to paycheck that's a reality for a lot of American people are a lot of people in this country.
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Akil Hill: And so institutions have to kind of see you know you know call an audible and meet people where they're at so that's such a beautiful thing to hear that or institution is doing that type of work.
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Stephanie Linnander: Definitely and that's our that's our big goal with this push of how we are you an integral part of student services, as well as.
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Stephanie Linnander: The students are not just numbers on the spreadsheet to us it's not just another line item and excel that we're looking and we're grinding through in terms of our accounts receivable and.
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Stephanie Linnander: You know it's it's an important part, and we have to with the regulations that we're working with but there's there's people behind this and.
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Stephanie Linnander: that's when one of my personal goals is I want them to not think that money is scary that when you owe something it's not this you know walk a shame over to our office and like I messed up and i'm like it's fine.
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Stephanie Linnander: things happen let's let's work on a game plan, and so you know I work with a lot of Casey students.
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Stephanie Linnander: Over in a mojo we kind of go through once a Semester and we've started establishing that that we go through, we check on their you know kind of like financial health of their student accounts.
00:22:10.710 --> 00:22:15.870
Stephanie Linnander: Make sure they're all good so that way, we can do outreach and say like hey what's going on, you know.
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Stephanie Linnander: and stop it from getting to that point where they can't register next semester so that's our big goal is really embracing the student as well, and not just be a you know, a close off kind of Accounting Office in that sense.
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Hong Lieu: yeah because I remember when I was at he started school, I had no concept of that extra level of fiscal responsibility my mom didn't have a credit card my mom.
00:22:37.710 --> 00:22:43.110
Hong Lieu: kept all their money in a jacket pocket and wonder in their closet and I remember when I found that jacket pocket, like all right.
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Akil Hill: Like a low.
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Hong Lieu: pitch $1 here dollar there because she's not even yeah so but.
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Hong Lieu: yeah credit and stuff yeah I had older sisters they told me a lot about credit, but besides that I was on my own, and I made a lot of poor decisions in my you know 1818 to early 20s.
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Hong Lieu: In terms of what I was doing financially and and paying for stuff at school was difficult, I mean it was still the three copy carbon copy paper you know with a check and all that stuff so.
00:23:07.530 --> 00:23:12.030
Hong Lieu: So without a credit card and just going through that stuff it was it was tough to navigate and the people there helped me a lot.
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Hong Lieu: So seeing how y'all are going that extra mile and doing going beyond even that to check up on on people out on a personal level, I mean that's that's just really awesome so.
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Hong Lieu: Once again kudos and then, if anyone needs i'll put in the show notes, but cashiers nspcc.edu is the main contact route to get in touch with you all, is there a phone number to or just is it just on your website because i'll put the website in the show notes as well.
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Stephanie Linnander: yeah we have our phone number as well 805-730-4197 they can go ahead and call that there's a phone tree that Chris Miller, help us implement so shout out to Chris for being super patient with us on that.
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Stephanie Linnander: So they can get frequently asked questions and then dial nine to speak with a live representative.
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Hong Lieu: All right, excellent and that that's kind of segues us into our next segment of the show which is your path to SPC and just kind of your life travels.
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Hong Lieu: Up to this point, we, it is still API plus heritage month the month of May, and if you want to speak on that a little bit along with kind of folding in your your you know path to this point we'd love to hear it.
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Stephanie Linnander: yeah absolutely um so I have a I don't I don't want to say anybody has a traditional life path everybody has their own path in life and it's very different and unique for everyone, I am half Taiwanese half Swedish.
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Stephanie Linnander: I have three passports, have a Taiwanese pass, for it is a Taiwanese national Swedish passport and the US passport as well, I grew up over on the east coast in the DC area and tell about age 10.
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Stephanie Linnander: Then, unfortunately 911 and those events happened in that area and my parents said we're going to get out of here, this is this isn't what we signed up for.
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Stephanie Linnander: So we moved over to Sweden when I was 10 and that was a huge culture shock for me growing up in the DC area for me was I describe it as.
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Stephanie Linnander: Like really just a phenomenal childhood and it taught me so much it was incredibly diverse and open and welcoming the area I lived in was full of ambassadors and they all worked in DC.
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Stephanie Linnander: So two doors down with my friend nah hey was Korean and they introduced me to chef J and Kim tj gay and all of those amazing foods, I was like oh my God, this is amazing, and then across the other street.
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Stephanie Linnander: Where the Russians and their kids were you know played it rough and we're super cool but we're the sweetest family.
00:25:51.600 --> 00:25:55.950
Stephanie Linnander: And then you know down the road was my friend Rom Jana and she taught me about.
00:25:56.250 --> 00:26:06.090
Stephanie Linnander: You know her culture and when she was celebrating Ramadan I was confused about you know hey why aren't you eating lunch with us, she said, oh it's Ramadan I was like oh what's that.
00:26:06.390 --> 00:26:17.190
Stephanie Linnander: And then she taught me about that culture and I was like oh that's super cool I was jealous that she got to be you know celebrating and she you know was describing what fun, she was having and.
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Stephanie Linnander: You know I had friends from all different cultures and colors and backgrounds and it was so rich and open and.
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Stephanie Linnander: My race was never in question during that time period, and it was it was amazing and then I moved to Sweden, I was 10.
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Stephanie Linnander: And we moved to an island off of the coast of Sweden and rural area in almost the equipped not I wouldn't say the deep South almost, but it was it was real.
00:26:50.550 --> 00:26:59.430
Stephanie Linnander: And we had five miles to our mailbox you know and then 10 miles to school and was dropped off at the school and said all right.
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Stephanie Linnander: have had it and I didn't speak the language I hadn't picked up on me Swedish from my dad, even though they tried they put it in the sweetest school on Saturdays and Chinese school on Sundays that never stuck, unfortunately.
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Stephanie Linnander: and had to really dive into this new culture, these new people didn't speak the same language and trying to adapt to it.
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:35.790
Stephanie Linnander: Then that's you know when there were some really great things that I learned in Sweden, the culture was different getting into understand my dad's side of the family, a lot more in deep dive into that.
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Stephanie Linnander: Was super exciting learning the language as well, but there were areas that that made me not super comfortable you know with regard to you know API heritage month it that's when I encountered racism, for the first time in my life.
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Stephanie Linnander: There were instances of student and I was the only Asian kid in my whole school everybody else was white.
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Stephanie Linnander: You know, there is kids that spray painted go back to China on the pavement.
00:28:07.020 --> 00:28:17.880
Stephanie Linnander: And the mains quiet of the school and would yell out slurs and I was confused, I was you know, then 11 at that time 1112 and these formative years and.
00:28:18.150 --> 00:28:29.790
Stephanie Linnander: I came out of my you know perfect happy little bubble in DC of inclusion and happiness and and it was great granted also a kid So you see through different a different lens of course but.
00:28:30.570 --> 00:28:39.090
Stephanie Linnander: that's when I encounter that for the first time I realized, am I am I that different Oh, I am different I guess okay.
00:28:39.810 --> 00:28:50.520
Stephanie Linnander: um and so, then I you know grew up in Sweden and went through you know those struggles and went through high school and I didn't know what I wanted to do after high school.
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Stephanie Linnander: A lot of people would take a sabbatical and Sweden, which is really common is either work for a year you backpack through Europe, or you go study and you start your degree.
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Stephanie Linnander: And I was at this seminar where they were you know the different universities were.
00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:19.950
Stephanie Linnander: Introducing themselves and recruiting and one of the universities, I was going to go to their seminar about got canceled, and so I was wandering the halls and my friend said hey i'm going to go to this one about studying abroad.
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Stephanie Linnander: Do you want to come, I was like oh sure yeah mine was canceled anyways with mean shopping's university so i'll join in and plastered across the front was studying in Santa Barbara California.
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Stephanie Linnander: And so I was like.
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Stephanie Linnander: i'm game let's do it.
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Stephanie Linnander: It was a ibs Internet international business programs now fortunately closed down as sts.
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Stephanie Linnander: International but I came over with their program I texted my dad and said hey What if I moved to the US in a month, and he freaked out and my sister said Nana calm down she'll be fine she'll take care of herself.
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Stephanie Linnander: And so, through our ISP office with their amazing staff and the program I started as a quote unquote international student at Santa Barbara city college in 2012.
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Stephanie Linnander: So that kind of started the kind of catalyst at my journey at Santa Barbara city college was that encounter.
00:30:24.540 --> 00:30:36.150
Stephanie Linnander: Most of the students only stayed about a year on that study abroad program but I really fell in love with Santa Barbara and the school and the education, I was getting so I.
00:30:36.630 --> 00:30:48.000
Stephanie Linnander: called my dad and said hey What if I stay another year, and he said go for it looks like the first year worked out well why not, so I stayed and I kept studying at Santa Barbara city college.
00:30:49.290 --> 00:31:08.580
Stephanie Linnander: transferred out for a little bit and then moved to sacramento worked in finance for a little bit, hence my current work in student finance and then came back to Santa Barbara and went back to school and started my career, if you will, with Santa Barbara city college.
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Stephanie Linnander: i've been a student worker and hourly worker and now for almost two years I have been full time with the student finance department.
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Hong Lieu: RAD yet just a you said traditional life path yeah just your regular old life paths with.
00:31:26.610 --> 00:31:27.930
Hong Lieu: Three passports and moving.
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Akil Hill: reflected on the show right now.
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Stephanie Linnander: be nice about it.
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Akil Hill: I was like shoot man, I thought I was special being born in Japan.
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Hong Lieu: yeah you can you got to show people like they showed you there their cultures you gotta show mumbo sauce.
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that's the DC.
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Hong Lieu: That mumbo sauce oh yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Exactly and it's good that you mentioned that you experience in Sweden, because people think about you know, Sweden and allow those European countries as these progressive bastions of like Oh, if only we can be more like sweet, if only.
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Hong Lieu: I mean they ain't got it all figured out, you know, nobody has this all figured out and nobody has this.
00:32:11.070 --> 00:32:17.040
Hong Lieu: To where everybody feels that that comfort, you know and that's what we're all trying to work for that's what we're trying to get to.
00:32:17.280 --> 00:32:22.590
Hong Lieu: So that's not I mean you can hold these places for the things they do right like the childcare stuff in Sweden and the and the.
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:31.290
Hong Lieu: You know some of the socialist economic the way the world is distributed among the people is good, but you can see, you know these first hand experiences that you're hearing on this show and elsewhere.
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.160
Hong Lieu: You can see those those problems are endemic and and they're just.
00:32:35.580 --> 00:32:41.490
Hong Lieu: kind of yeah they're they're waiting to be solved still so we can't pretend like someone's got to figure it out, we just have to emulate what they do.
00:32:41.820 --> 00:32:47.520
Hong Lieu: it's really about this collective let's come together let's see what's going on here let's listen this just like what stephanie was talking about earlier.
00:32:47.850 --> 00:32:54.480
Hong Lieu: which you listen to the experiences of the people and kind of reaction on that listen to her story and and react to that and realize like.
00:32:54.990 --> 00:33:01.740
Hong Lieu: yeah there's there's so much that needs to be done on in all aspects and that, and this is just one more so that should provide that spark like.
00:33:02.070 --> 00:33:09.180
Hong Lieu: We need to do better at all times, you know, in terms of making bridging that divide where where someone literally got.
00:33:09.780 --> 00:33:15.150
Hong Lieu: spray paint out to spray messages on the floor like what are you what are you thinking, what are you what what.
00:33:15.600 --> 00:33:21.570
Hong Lieu: Why, you know, like yeah time your time that person's time is more important than they don't realize it and why is that.
00:33:21.990 --> 00:33:31.020
Hong Lieu: You know, like and stephanie's time have to take in all that stuff what what is the point you know, like yeah so so thank you for really highlighting that but yeah your your.
00:33:31.560 --> 00:33:37.680
Hong Lieu: Your average worker day life pretty pretty amazing and it's it's it's awesome that you ended up here and.
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Hong Lieu: And you absolutely are on that career path you know, like you said you got the full time work, you got that calipers like a keels always dropping that heat about the calipers So yes.
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Akil Hill: Oh, see a couple years away.
00:33:47.820 --> 00:33:48.840
Hong Lieu: she's a couple years ago he.
00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:51.390
Hong Lieu: Was he's on that path he's on that bass.
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Hong Lieu: Down now.
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Stephanie Linnander: A lot of, and one thing that I do have to you know, give a personal shout out to keel is a lot of my career with Santa Barbara city college is due to the amazing people that i've met here and really inspired me to want to work here.
00:34:09.600 --> 00:34:22.050
Stephanie Linnander: I started off in the Security Department and that's where I got to know a lot of the amazing staff and faculty that work here, and all of the employees, I was.
00:34:22.740 --> 00:34:34.020
Stephanie Linnander: for about a year I was out front at East Gate in the kiosk opening the little gate hand for everybody in the morning cold early mornings, but that's when.
00:34:34.590 --> 00:34:38.400
Stephanie Linnander: The people really showed me their kindness and sense of community.
00:34:38.970 --> 00:34:49.890
Stephanie Linnander: And just generosity towards me and being a student worker, you know out there in my My big ol yellow security jacket saying good morning and waving to everybody, you know I I remember.
00:34:50.430 --> 00:35:01.470
Stephanie Linnander: It was a super cold morning and akil rolls up and is Honda and he comes up and he's like hey, what do you drink and I was like whoa it's quite early for this tequila.
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:13.740
Stephanie Linnander: And he's like i'm headed over to starbucks would you like anything, and I was like really and he's like yeah i'll be right back and so he came back and he handed me, you know, a starbucks I.
00:35:14.310 --> 00:35:23.610
Stephanie Linnander: there's a little heater in that East kiosk or at least back then, and I was like wrapped around it and so that coffee just meant so much and people would bring.
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:31.890
Stephanie Linnander: You know donuts and, at the end of the Semester, they give up a financial he brought me a card for thanking me to beat for being there and people would.
00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:49.920
Stephanie Linnander: Roll down the window and take the time and say you know how's your day going how's your classes going and I realized this is a place that I want to work for this is this community of you know just camaraderie This is something if this is how they're treating me just as a student worker.
00:35:51.090 --> 00:35:51.780
Stephanie Linnander: Is gonna be great.
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Akil Hill: To get that full time job yeah.
00:35:54.750 --> 00:35:56.370
Stephanie Linnander: Let me get those benefits, on top of it.
00:35:56.580 --> 00:35:58.260
Stephanie Linnander: yeah yeah.
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Hong Lieu: yeah sometimes it's a matter of how they treat you as long as you show that card the doctor's Office may take it no questions asked.
00:36:03.990 --> 00:36:13.080
Stephanie Linnander: Exactly, and then you know, I was looking at ways that you know strategies of okay well how can I get in at working full time for the College, so I knew, like all right.
00:36:13.470 --> 00:36:18.690
Stephanie Linnander: I want to change up my strategy, a little bit and work more in student services in the administration side.
00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:28.800
Stephanie Linnander: So I walk over to admissions and records and i'm picking up one of my diplomas that I had earned at the College and kyle sitting up front and akil comes over and he says hi to me.
00:36:29.490 --> 00:36:39.840
Stephanie Linnander: Because at this point, you know, in the mornings I waved hello to everybody, so I was at least friendly with a lot of people and asked how I was doing and I said Oh well, like i'm looking for.
00:36:41.130 --> 00:36:57.930
Stephanie Linnander: Different jobs so i'm taking a peek but you know we got this new degree here and so that's exciting and akil said hey come in for an interview we're hiring in our office and I said, are you kidding me and I didn't believe that he did the interviews.
00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:01.080
Akil Hill: yeah.
00:37:02.550 --> 00:37:07.890
Stephanie Linnander: And he he took me in for an interview and seems like you saw something in me.
00:37:09.720 --> 00:37:11.670
Stephanie Linnander: And just super grateful for that.
00:37:12.180 --> 00:37:14.040
Akil Hill: yeah I mean look like so.
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Akil Hill: I just I remember like exactly how you stated it, you know, like rolling up every morning stephanie was always super friendly at the front gate and.
00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:33.270
Akil Hill: You know I it's it's really you know interesting to me, because one of the reasons why I love doing this show is.
00:37:34.110 --> 00:37:44.670
Akil Hill: Because you know we don't get everything right as an institution, you know and and and that's you know okay it's not Okay, but it's Okay, meaning that.
00:37:45.090 --> 00:37:57.090
Akil Hill: there's a lot of places in this similar situation, but the human story or the human element of the show that is talking about how agatha brought you a card how other people, you know stopping greeted you and treated you.
00:37:57.570 --> 00:38:10.770
Akil Hill: They saw the humanity in you, they just didn't see you as some person just opening up the gate in the front like these are the stories that we need to hear more of a need to hear more about because it's easy to always you know.
00:38:11.790 --> 00:38:18.090
Akil Hill: be critical of the institution and so when you're telling you stories it really kind of feels good to me because.
00:38:18.540 --> 00:38:25.200
Akil Hill: that's what it's really about in terms of being in Community and developing a relationship with our co workers and and so when.
00:38:25.680 --> 00:38:35.070
Akil Hill: I would stephanie would always be like hey how's it going and then actually full disclosure one time my parking permit was actually expired.
00:38:35.550 --> 00:38:42.810
Akil Hill: And I was like stephanie calling she called me out she's like hey look, you know I just choose taking the time she's like i'm not gonna give you a ticket.
00:38:43.830 --> 00:38:46.710
Akil Hill: I just want to let you know you probably want to go down and get.
00:38:47.790 --> 00:39:04.620
Akil Hill: The new sticker because you know we are taking for that and so again right so went down there that same day got the sticker put it in and and and those are the things that that are occurring, day in and day out at our institution that people just don't hear or talk about and so when.
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Akil Hill: She came into a mission records, at one time, I was like yo what are you doing she's like well you know um you know you know I asked, I think I asked.
00:39:13.590 --> 00:39:22.380
Akil Hill: Are you still working at security she's like no and then I was like oh we're hiring we got to get this and then here's the other funny story once I stephanie.
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:30.540
Akil Hill: I think a mission to records at the time we were out we we didn't have a supervisor at the time, so I was, I was doing the interviews and.
00:39:30.990 --> 00:39:40.980
Akil Hill: I remember totally like bragging like boasting to Vanessa that how you're going to work in a mission and records and she was like i'm going to try to take her away so.
00:39:42.300 --> 00:39:43.170
Akil Hill: So Vanessa.
00:39:43.740 --> 00:39:58.350
Akil Hill: Vanessa pelton and I had this full on conversation she's like I think I can offer more money, and then I was, like you, better not take stuff away permission to record so just not me, but a lot of other people saw you know the greatness in you and so it's such a pleasure to be able to.
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:10.830
Akil Hill: hear your story and actually to have you on on the show, and you know from the days of you know, bringing you a coffee to now sitting here, seeing all the Raven call in you, is it's been it's a pleasure.
00:40:12.060 --> 00:40:19.920
Hong Lieu: yet seen the good you've done for the students in terms of the programs even acting physical services and as someone who's who's had a lot of jobs and other places like in terms of.
00:40:20.430 --> 00:40:26.910
Hong Lieu: It I mean I there know what none of them have gotten it all right, no it's like we talked about with sweet lady nobody's got it all figured out all the places that word.
00:40:27.210 --> 00:40:29.130
Hong Lieu: Maybe some are better maybe somebody worse, but.
00:40:29.490 --> 00:40:36.780
Hong Lieu: In terms of the people yeah I it's hard to find a better a better group of people in the ones here and that's really in all the jobs i've had.
00:40:36.990 --> 00:40:43.170
Hong Lieu: What holds you up what keeps you what keeps your head above water is a relationships you build them on the people and the people who, when you're having.
00:40:43.350 --> 00:40:47.940
Hong Lieu: Your having a middle the road day or kind of a down day they say hey let's go take a walk let's grab a cup of coffee.
00:40:48.240 --> 00:40:56.520
Hong Lieu: let's go stroll let's talk, because those are the people that will hold you down day in, day out it's not the administrative policies it's not the policies and procedures it's not the things that they bake in.
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:00.540
Hong Lieu: Our said that baseline to where you won't get just destroyed by oppression, you know.
00:41:00.690 --> 00:41:01.290
Akil Hill: yeah.
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.870
Hong Lieu: But in terms of in terms of elevating you to that like.
00:41:04.560 --> 00:41:11.550
Hong Lieu: Good life or a reasonable existence that's only that your peers and your your co workers and the people around you how they are because.
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:20.190
Hong Lieu: In those i've been in those environments where the positive shooters were great, but it was such a cutthroat like you know, like competitive environment that wasn't good either so something like.
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.780
Hong Lieu: Such a good balance here, where, if you if you really want to strive to climb the highest mountain there are opportunities there.
00:41:25.050 --> 00:41:37.500
Hong Lieu: But if you just want to do the work and really hone in on the student experience that's there as well, so in terms of the variety of opportunities here and and the the depth and breadth of the people that work here yeah it's really hard to beat city college like.
00:41:38.430 --> 00:41:47.580
Stephanie Linnander: Well, we have good Oh, I was gonna say Look, we just have we haven't really amazing standout gems that that make it.
00:41:48.600 --> 00:41:59.220
Stephanie Linnander: You know when when things get really tough and as the climate changes as a whole is you know that's you know what I kind of you know, in some ways kind of have to hold on to and where I grasp on to that is remembering.
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:06.420
Stephanie Linnander: That camaraderie and like okay Why did I come here and even something a lot of ways, how can we get back to that because that's why I came here.
00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:15.420
Stephanie Linnander: You know and that's what I saw you know from the beginning, you know just as a student worker and then our really in this whole time is that journey of.
00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:25.800
Stephanie Linnander: There are great people here and how do we get back to that feeling that I fell in love with and saw you know as an outsider from the very beginning now being fully in it.
00:42:26.160 --> 00:42:36.180
Stephanie Linnander: is reminding ourselves of you know what good there is, and you know that that drive to get back to what that was because it was incredible and that's what brought me here yeah.
00:42:37.170 --> 00:42:53.010
Akil Hill: I mean, I think, also too there's a piece of being able to stand in both spaces right like standing in the space that recognize that we do a lot of things well then also being you know standing that same space and also be critical of the things that we're not doing well you know.
00:42:54.420 --> 00:43:01.950
Akil Hill: One thing that I really love about your story, and I think and i'm a really firm believer in this is that you know how you kind of progressed.
00:43:02.550 --> 00:43:09.780
Akil Hill: You know up right so from you know working security and mission records now you're you know you are where you're at now.
00:43:10.110 --> 00:43:17.730
Akil Hill: And I think that's really a lesson I think our hope that the institution can really consider is that I think one of the things that.
00:43:18.180 --> 00:43:35.550
Akil Hill: Is such a challenge for our institution is we don't do a good job at hiring within like we should really be, and this is my opinion and i've stated this in numerous places we really need to be really thinking about breeding and developing.
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:47.580
Akil Hill: people to be in leadership positions versus always hiring from outside sources that you bring people in I don't understand the culture, the climate of of campus.
00:43:48.420 --> 00:44:03.780
Akil Hill: Because we have an intelligent people here that are are well qualified to be in spaces, you know top administrative positions, but if we're always hiring out people don't understand our culture here and that's just my two cents and i'll get off my soapbox.
00:44:04.140 --> 00:44:10.020
Hong Lieu: And yeah it's definitely something i've seen In most places where I work, I feel it feels like a generational shift where.
00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:15.030
Hong Lieu: Before people were more inclined to kind of build start to at the bottom and kind of work, you up through it.
00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:20.250
Hong Lieu: And now, because there are these kind of like I almost a shortcut but their efficiencies to be had by.
00:44:20.520 --> 00:44:28.980
Hong Lieu: You know, getting your MBA first are getting this that getting a certification first you know masters in public administration or wherever and just thinking that you can just plug that into a place.
00:44:29.550 --> 00:44:34.260
Hong Lieu: And not account for institutional knowledge and then, when you add in the fact that a lot of younger workers do you think of.
00:44:34.560 --> 00:44:43.830
Hong Lieu: working at the same place for a long time as like a detriment like it's negative like if you're not bouncing around from job to job every three to five years looking for you know chasing a higher salary chasing.
00:44:44.130 --> 00:44:51.720
Hong Lieu: chasing your positional you know you're moving up that way so it's it's it's an interesting kind of problem to solve because I totally agree with you and I added.
00:44:51.990 --> 00:44:59.250
Hong Lieu: And the last three or four places I worked, it was the same deal where you would you would get you start if you start and work your way up in an institution, you get to a certain point.
00:44:59.490 --> 00:45:02.400
Hong Lieu: And you hit the ceiling, you know, like this, like institutional knowledge ceiling.
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.800
Hong Lieu: Where you bring in this other person over these at these fresh ideas Oh, they got this fresh perspective, I want to hear.
00:45:08.100 --> 00:45:12.630
Hong Lieu: That perspective is totally like a lot of them most of the time totally untested doesn't actually work.
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:18.720
Hong Lieu: And there's any kind of brush back and all of a sudden, all the people that were all the people that were you were riding with before are now these like.
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:30.480
Hong Lieu: Oh they're just there's afraid of change is that, like it's all spin on top of spin on top of spin when you can just call it what it is like that the person blew it they don't you know, like they weren't about that life for real like.
00:45:30.540 --> 00:45:36.930
Hong Lieu: yeah you have people you've been working with for years, you know, or about that life, you know if you give something to do on a day to do it'll get done.
00:45:37.170 --> 00:45:41.970
Hong Lieu: And you're trying to plug this you know fresh MBA, not to say that those programs are bad they're totally valid, but.
00:45:42.690 --> 00:45:50.400
Hong Lieu: If that makes you have to have that MBA with that rule that experience and that kind of dynamic quick thinking ability and those just hard to find no matter what.
00:45:50.640 --> 00:46:01.530
Hong Lieu: But I would I would agree with you, you kill, where I would like to take that chance more often that people inside within this issue then then outside but yeah again Those are just feels like a generational shift that I missed out on.
00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:04.590
00:46:06.750 --> 00:46:14.610
Hong Lieu: Yes, we're glad you're here and and we hope you we hope you stay here for you know you continue your career here and make it a career get that five years get that vested.
00:46:14.640 --> 00:46:16.320
Akil Hill: You know, for a girl get get.
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00:46:21.720 --> 00:46:29.640
Hong Lieu: yeah so all right, thank you for that stephanie and now we can move on to our next section, which is good eating.
00:46:30.750 --> 00:46:31.710
Hong Lieu: Our food section.
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Hong Lieu: If there's any a meal you've had at a restaurant recently or something you've made or you know just just you could talk about mumbo sauce if you want talking about mobile.
00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:53.040
Stephanie Linnander: Oh God I i've been kind of on this, you know, the College student diet back again in some ways i'm i've been.
00:46:54.300 --> 00:47:00.660
Stephanie Linnander: full time back in school finishing my bachelor's which I get to walk for next week another.
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:12.090
Stephanie Linnander: Very good, so i've been that remote work has been the only thing that's made that possible for me to be able to finish my degree.
00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:19.050
Stephanie Linnander: 100% you know being saving that extra you know hour in the morning of getting ready, you know.
00:47:19.350 --> 00:47:31.650
Stephanie Linnander: And you know packing my line and getting out the door and driving to the College and then doing all that over you know my way back that extra time has been the only thing that's allowed me to go back to school full time.
00:47:32.100 --> 00:47:40.200
Stephanie Linnander: And finally finished his degree that has been the biggest thing for me, but with that i'm paying tuition again so.
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:55.590
Stephanie Linnander: Tighter on the on the budget, been doing a lot of meal prep and like Hello fresh lately has been my big thing just out of the sheer convenience in that aspect too too bad it's been pretty good.
00:47:57.150 --> 00:48:03.690
Hong Lieu: Is there is there, like a goatee protein or certain gifts that they do really well with Hello fresh are those those kind of prepared meal kits or is it.
00:48:04.290 --> 00:48:11.310
Hong Lieu: kind of across the board pretty good because i've never used it but i've always been curious because I like those you know the middle people out of the equation so.
00:48:11.970 --> 00:48:21.450
Stephanie Linnander: Definitely so they're they're really pork heavy on Hello fresh and i've been been eating a lot of meat lately personally so i've been going through the vegetarian option.
00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:34.470
Stephanie Linnander: has been, and they have these like Southwest zucchini boats and that's been my favorite one where it's like the stuffed zucchini and, for me, the best part is it takes the guesswork out of it is.
00:48:34.770 --> 00:48:40.110
Stephanie Linnander: I just follow the step by step instructions and it tells me what to do and I have the exact amounts there's no way i'm going to mess it up.
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:42.180
Stephanie Linnander: I think the thing.
00:48:43.680 --> 00:48:52.290
Stephanie Linnander: So those have been really good, and so we buy the family pack so that way we get multiple meals out of it can meal prep throughout the week with it.
00:48:52.590 --> 00:49:07.620
Stephanie Linnander: So that way it takes away at least like two three days worth of cooking so unfortunately food for me lately has been more of like a part of the grind for it's just like all right, its fuel, we got to keep going, which is the way I hate looking at food and makes me really sad.
00:49:08.910 --> 00:49:09.360
Akil Hill: yeah.
00:49:09.720 --> 00:49:20.880
Hong Lieu: But you're walking soon you know you get some time after to decide in your next steps in terms of educational pursuits so you'll have time to kind of explore and wander again so yeah you did what you had to do you got you got it done.
00:49:21.240 --> 00:49:29.250
Hong Lieu: And that's the kind of dirty secret about about cooking is like things like Hello fresh and I think just the act of making some yourself in home cooking it makes it really good.
00:49:29.640 --> 00:49:36.960
Hong Lieu: Like there's there's little twist like you know really fine dining and high end chefs they can add additional twist On top of that, to take like two three notches above.
00:49:37.230 --> 00:49:45.300
Hong Lieu: But that baseline of a home cooked meal it's never bad i've i've never had a bad home cook me, I mean, I have no taste, you know full disclaimer but.
00:49:45.510 --> 00:49:48.510
Hong Lieu: I read about i've never had a bad deal, you know, like.
00:49:49.110 --> 00:49:50.460
Hong Lieu: In my mind so like yeah.
00:49:50.550 --> 00:50:02.430
Hong Lieu: Just just taking the time to put to put all those ingredients together put in the oven put on a pan or wherever it's going to be good so so yeah ain't no ain't no shame in that game right there so that's that sound does those boats do sound good.
00:50:03.390 --> 00:50:03.990
Stephanie Linnander: that's all about.
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:08.190
Hong Lieu: Because what is the boat just just as zucchini itself is the boat and you fill it with stuff.
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.640
Stephanie Linnander: yeah it will scrape out the seeds, with a spoon I mean half the.
00:50:11.640 --> 00:50:13.470
Hong Lieu: time I mess it up, because I am like going.
00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:15.180
Stephanie Linnander: A little too ham into it.
00:50:15.510 --> 00:50:18.180
Stephanie Linnander: And it just like obliterates i'm like all right well.
00:50:20.700 --> 00:50:23.940
Hong Lieu: You can like just push it up together, and if you break that it's gonna be good.
00:50:25.980 --> 00:50:26.700
Hong Lieu: Point yeah.
00:50:26.910 --> 00:50:28.620
Stephanie Linnander: yeah exactly so um.
00:50:30.630 --> 00:50:34.770
Stephanie Linnander: yeah you just gave up the season, then you you Stefan and that's the your little zucchini boat.
00:50:37.290 --> 00:50:39.270
Akil Hill: ride on you too much man.
00:50:39.570 --> 00:50:46.950
Hong Lieu: If you if there's like a yeah there's a Hello fresh referral link I could put that in the show notes if anyone's signs up for an account based on what you know you get a kick back to you.
00:50:49.530 --> 00:50:56.940
Stephanie Linnander: You know that's how they got me it's all these sponsorships and podcasts and YouTube videos where they you know Hong 10 for 10 free meals.
00:50:58.650 --> 00:50:58.980
Hong Lieu: Oh.
00:50:59.010 --> 00:51:00.900
Akil Hill: yeah is hilarious.
00:51:01.080 --> 00:51:06.780
Hong Lieu: And i'm glad you mentioned how 10 because he's actually a famous Korean B boy breakdancer and like he's he's uh yeah he's awesome dude.
00:51:11.070 --> 00:51:20.730
Hong Lieu: back when I wanted to be a wanted to break dance I have zero upper body strength and very little balance so those those two things were really kind of weighing against you, but I will watch content videos all the time yeah.
00:51:23.970 --> 00:51:25.170
Stephanie Linnander: With that, like.
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:30.510
Akil Hill: How you too much man you're out here is self disclosing you have no balance on the.
00:51:30.510 --> 00:51:30.780
Akil Hill: Show.
00:51:31.710 --> 00:51:34.590
Hong Lieu: you're brave man, I feel like if anyone sees me they kind of.
00:51:35.820 --> 00:51:39.750
Hong Lieu: I kind of put it all out there, I know there's nothing like like behind the scenes here like you know.
00:51:40.740 --> 00:51:41.250
Akil Hill: Now behold.
00:51:41.790 --> 00:51:42.900
Hong Lieu: unkept yeah.
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:47.430
Akil Hill: nah man you can't be out here like given big boys like bad names now you know.
00:51:47.730 --> 00:51:48.240
Hong Lieu: No, no, no.
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:56.640
Hong Lieu: No for me personally yeah, no, no, no, I there's I know I know a ton of like really dope big bigger break dancers yeah just not me, I mean.
00:51:56.910 --> 00:51:57.510
Akil Hill: kids can.
00:51:57.690 --> 00:52:02.760
Hong Lieu: Catch me on the basketball court, and then you know you might have to watch out but breakdancing, no, no, no.
00:52:04.050 --> 00:52:05.010
Akil Hill: So funny.
00:52:07.680 --> 00:52:09.660
Hong Lieu: All right, i'll go next.
00:52:10.740 --> 00:52:17.280
Hong Lieu: Since it's my choice kind of complements your choice definitely that I have been going out a lot lately like I feel like.
00:52:19.770 --> 00:52:21.450
Akil Hill: that's like a shot that second shot.
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:28.740
Hong Lieu: compliment that regard yeah the second shot with the I put the 14 day incubation period because full disclosure the past year I I mean we have a.
00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:35.970
Hong Lieu: My wife is a coven safety officer in our House and she had me on a strict regimen or and I was, I was doing good I did pretty good, all things considered.
00:52:36.420 --> 00:52:49.440
Hong Lieu: You know the first six or seven months I was strictly curbside you know even after that I was very you know very careful, so now that i've got my my second sonic i'm a 14 days in i'm pretty good like I bring a mask with me, I can go anywhere so i've been eating all over i've.
00:52:51.000 --> 00:53:03.000
Hong Lieu: been down in La I did a taco mini taco crawl in La I put up here there's been a lot of restaurants, that I didn't get a try fine they got to try revolver pizza on the West side i'll try that excellent there's a new place in summerlin called.
00:53:04.110 --> 00:53:10.320
Hong Lieu: East in Fort let me think it's fitting his feast and Fort it's worth can't was used to be.
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:11.340
Akil Hill: yeah yeah yeah yeah.
00:53:11.370 --> 00:53:13.560
Hong Lieu: And and it's a it's a it's kind of like a.
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.760
Hong Lieu: Skills and for its field oh yeah it's filled up yeah.
00:53:18.120 --> 00:53:18.630
Akil Hill: it's kind of like.
00:53:18.660 --> 00:53:20.220
Stephanie Linnander: Children park Oh, I was thinking.
00:53:20.310 --> 00:53:21.210
Hong Lieu: Before yeah.
00:53:21.330 --> 00:53:21.690
Akil Hill: it's kind of.
00:53:23.040 --> 00:53:23.460
Hong Lieu: feast.
00:53:24.240 --> 00:53:26.820
Stephanie Linnander: feast and fork I was like well, it sounds like a medieval version.
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:28.680
Hong Lieu: yeah and I mix it up.
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:29.940
Hong Lieu: there's a.
00:53:29.970 --> 00:53:40.290
Hong Lieu: restaurant at solving called peasants feast and I eat there as well as feast and then field and forth in summerlin and feel the foreign summerland I mean it's a little kind of higher inside boozy going to put it that way.
00:53:40.620 --> 00:53:40.950
Hong Lieu: But it's.
00:53:41.220 --> 00:53:42.000
Hong Lieu: It is woozy.
00:53:42.030 --> 00:53:42.510
Stephanie Linnander: I lived.
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:43.800
Hong Lieu: Down I love.
00:53:44.610 --> 00:53:49.170
Akil Hill: I love when we would you have the avocado toast the $20 25.
00:53:50.850 --> 00:53:54.840
Hong Lieu: minute training sampler that's $20 but it, but it does, it will last a while, because.
00:53:55.110 --> 00:54:03.690
Hong Lieu: i'm the kind of person that I can load up on the cards just because it's like like hummus and go cheese and dips and stuff and pickled vegetables, I can eat that for a long ways to go.
00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:10.440
Hong Lieu: i've had the savory porridge which i'm you know porridge is kind of near and dear to my heart, so i've had had the savory and support both are good.
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:20.760
Hong Lieu: And then i've had the rubin and the roast beef sandwich and okay so it's a $15 sandwich with with one single pickle or like five chips is aside, so it.
00:54:21.090 --> 00:54:24.720
Hong Lieu: is definitely a little expensive but it's very good, I mean yeah.
00:54:25.080 --> 00:54:34.680
Hong Lieu: yeah it's hard to buy it's good sandwich we I voice sounds, but the but the porridge is and that Mediterranean sampler all worth getting coffee's good you know they have these lemon curd croissants are excellent.
00:54:35.370 --> 00:54:42.030
Hong Lieu: So yeah definitely going to feel them for a lot, and then a revolver monique just doing doing the run around town so i've just been enjoying.
00:54:42.450 --> 00:54:50.190
Hong Lieu: Eating out again, I still haven't sat down to eat at a restaurant, but just being able to like you know do take out and support local businesses and do what I can.
00:54:50.700 --> 00:54:55.800
Hong Lieu: Because I mean I was trying before, but we were really trying to be respectful of the protocols and stuff so.
00:54:56.280 --> 00:55:05.790
Hong Lieu: Now that i'm, on the other side of that i'm kind of like acting out in some ways I got I got like a bunch of live music tickets for the fall, these are the artists going back on tours i'm ready to roll but.
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:10.320
Hong Lieu: yeah so i'll put up a link i'll put a link to the slides or something the show notes, but I just wanted to give a shout out to.
00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:16.440
Hong Lieu: And now, they feel important needs my kind of extra advertising club because they're busy all the time, but.
00:55:17.070 --> 00:55:24.000
Hong Lieu: It was good, it was good and there's a park nearby you get your food takeout from there, you can walk to the park and you sit on the bench and eat it's pretty Nice, especially because.
00:55:24.300 --> 00:55:35.310
Hong Lieu: A lot of people knock that part because the traffic noise but for a person from La traffic is like my white noise machine like it's so relaxing like he calms me down, you know, like cars running by a little bit of that exhaust smell.
00:55:36.150 --> 00:55:38.310
Akil Hill: A little bit of gunshots a little or no, no, no.
00:55:39.090 --> 00:55:44.250
Hong Lieu: You get all the you get all the goo without that part that's, the only thing i'm missing like I need a little chopper overhead.
00:55:44.580 --> 00:55:51.990
Hong Lieu: A chopper overhead and the smell of fresh gas because, like I know the gas station I pulled out my fingers and get a whiff after y'all yeah that's that's the good stuff.
00:55:54.660 --> 00:55:55.860
Akil Hill: You so not today man.
00:55:57.690 --> 00:55:58.230
Akil Hill: So now.
00:55:58.290 --> 00:55:58.920
00:56:00.720 --> 00:56:01.320
Hong Lieu: Oh yeah.
00:56:01.740 --> 00:56:14.520
Akil Hill: that's funny so i'll go ahead and give you guys my take I am going thousand oaks California, so if you need a like a little weekend getaway and you find yourself in that area.
00:56:15.720 --> 00:56:19.320
Akil Hill: My favorite Thai restaurant it's called Bangkok avenue.
00:56:20.940 --> 00:56:24.960
Akil Hill: And it's a Thai restaurants super like fresh.
00:56:26.010 --> 00:56:36.600
Akil Hill: Quality is off the chart man, they have I usually go with me everything that i've eaten, there is good, but this past trip, I tried I got the.
00:56:37.860 --> 00:56:45.870
Akil Hill: The crab cream puffs which was basically crab rangoon's right that was amazing and then I go with the drunken noodles.
00:56:46.620 --> 00:57:05.220
Akil Hill: So they you know they just like any Thai restaurant they hit you with the different options of me Thai noodles or the junk noodles or just to die for, and then they have these they make a basal lemonade, which is so good, they have a light sea ice tea.
00:57:06.030 --> 00:57:07.050
Akil Hill: crazy good.
00:57:07.770 --> 00:57:16.860
Akil Hill: Also, make the traditional Thai ICT the crab crab fried rice is amazing, the spicy bazell fish is amazing.
00:57:18.090 --> 00:57:34.410
Akil Hill: You can't go wrong, I mean I really highly recommend this restaurant Bangkok avenue, you can look at even up i'm sure you know, Hong will put it in the show notes, but you can see the photos and pictures on on yelp it's kind of like a hole in the wall, but it's funny because, just like.
00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:43.350
Akil Hill: You roll up into the Plaza because in a closet and you're like kind of like is this it, you know, like you know how you have that like is this that's the.
00:57:43.620 --> 00:57:45.270
Stephanie Linnander: Year, like, I see a dentist don't repay.
00:57:45.270 --> 00:57:46.230
Akil Hill: yeah yeah.
00:57:46.650 --> 00:57:54.870
Akil Hill: Next to a million and a nail parlor right so spot right next to tie spot right next to a donut shop literally that's.
00:57:56.220 --> 00:57:56.550
Stephanie Linnander: It.
00:57:56.760 --> 00:58:02.610
Akil Hill: But then you soon as you open the door it's like you feel like you're in a different place it's really well done in terms of the Interior.
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:09.270
Akil Hill: design and the people or the services really good people are really friendly the food is literally it's fresh.
00:58:10.200 --> 00:58:22.530
Akil Hill: So if you find yourself in thousand oaks or if you need a just a spot where if you're a Thai food consumer it literally is worth to drive hung knows, I will not disappoint you on a drive to like.
00:58:22.950 --> 00:58:25.110
Hong Lieu: thousand oaks even I went to sit off often.
00:58:25.140 --> 00:58:29.820
Hong Lieu: yeah recommendation it blew me away that cherry rice, I mean I love, rice and I never had.
00:58:30.150 --> 00:58:40.800
Hong Lieu: That kind of flavor mix and I was I wasn't sure if I was like Okay, he said, this is really good but i'm looking at right now, like cherries, in my rice like I don't know what's going on with with Kobe on top oh perfect, it was.
00:58:41.160 --> 00:58:45.660
Stephanie Linnander: I was listening to that on the podcast and I was like it kills freaking out about this charity right so.
00:58:45.780 --> 00:58:46.800
Hong Lieu: It was good.
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:47.790
Stephanie Linnander: Actually sounds.
00:58:49.470 --> 00:58:50.070
Akil Hill: i'm not trying.
00:58:51.450 --> 00:58:56.460
Akil Hill: i'm not in the business of leading people astray no like big boys come through you know that's what we do.
00:58:56.970 --> 00:58:59.220
Akil Hill: You know so i'm out here representing for.
00:58:59.220 --> 00:59:09.480
Akil Hill: us and this Thai restaurant is that good, so my my daughter always gets the red Curry, which is in it's so funny last time.
00:59:10.170 --> 00:59:17.940
Akil Hill: We ate there I think was a couple of days ago was like last maybe last week, she was like she hadn't we hadn't been there right since the whole pandemic.
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:29.670
Akil Hill: And it was actually That was the first restaurant that we sat down to eat right and we're kind of like we're walking in we're all like I don't know there's a lot of cars and in the in the parking lot.
00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:40.140
Akil Hill: So we get in and literally soon as we sat down, it was kind of late they're getting ready to close everyone left so we literally was just us and the server so we were like yeah.
00:59:40.530 --> 00:59:49.200
Akil Hill: like this is social distancing we're the only people in the restaurant, so it worked out of favor, but when she took a bite of the red Curry I got that my girl was gonna cry man i'll she was like oh.
00:59:50.460 --> 00:59:53.010
Akil Hill: it's tastes so good, after all these years is.
00:59:54.390 --> 00:59:55.620
Stephanie Linnander: like an Epiphany.
00:59:55.680 --> 00:59:56.160
Stephanie Linnander: yeah.
00:59:56.550 --> 00:59:59.520
Akil Hill: that's how she was feeling I was like she was like.
00:59:59.580 --> 01:00:15.690
Akil Hill: I was worried, it may taste, a little salty because I thought she was gonna cry but listen the right curries is phenomenal anything from that spot is it's really good so that's my pick for this show Bangkok avenue Thai restaurant come through you won't be disappointed.
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:25.560
Hong Lieu: I would definitely picking them up next hotel, because after as an African nation, I always knew I always call the kill the yelp whisper i'm the big guy with no taste it kills the yelp whispers that's how that's how.
01:00:25.830 --> 01:00:27.210
Hong Lieu: that's how the split off here.
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.300
Hong Lieu: So we killed up and knowledge i'm definitely gonna do my part.
01:00:30.510 --> 01:00:30.960
Akil Hill: Yes, so.
01:00:31.020 --> 01:00:32.790
Akil Hill: ap I month.
01:00:34.050 --> 01:00:41.370
Akil Hill: You guys represent support Asian businesses get in the car go on a road trip every and try Bangkok avenue.
01:00:42.870 --> 01:00:51.120
Stephanie Linnander: yeah I mean i'm always willing to drive me i've driven down to you know the good old six to six area and desperation for for good Taiwanese food.
01:00:52.110 --> 01:00:53.280
Stephanie Linnander: At a restaurant.
01:00:53.820 --> 01:00:55.860
Hong Lieu: Oh, he is good.
01:00:57.240 --> 01:00:57.480
Stephanie Linnander: yeah.
01:00:58.230 --> 01:01:00.690
Hong Lieu: i'm 66 I still got my 66 area code.
01:01:02.490 --> 01:01:13.650
Stephanie Linnander: So I have taken desperation drives just to go to a restaurant to get that Taiwanese food is hard to come by it's you know it's a small, you know area or a small country.
01:01:14.340 --> 01:01:21.000
Stephanie Linnander: And so it's hard to find good Taiwanese food and Madame blue actually upper state she's Taiwanese.
01:01:21.540 --> 01:01:31.530
Stephanie Linnander: So one thing you know, being in this, you know bogged down of work in school is i'm seeking out comfort foods, all the time and Taiwanese food is my biggest comfort food.
01:01:31.980 --> 01:01:39.720
Stephanie Linnander: So I remember she's like my go to because a couple years ago I was was feeling sad and I wanted food, and I was missing home and so.
01:01:40.140 --> 01:01:44.940
Stephanie Linnander: I picked up an order and then I asked him and I was like hey because I found out she was Taiwanese.
01:01:45.570 --> 01:01:57.600
Stephanie Linnander: I was like hey like what recommendations, do you have you know my big struggle is I don't know Chinese my sister does my mom does, I never picked it up, though, so I can never read those secret Chinese menus.
01:01:58.650 --> 01:01:59.220
Stephanie Linnander: So.
01:02:01.290 --> 01:02:09.150
Stephanie Linnander: i'm in a disadvantage there I feel you know less than him and I asked her, and I was like hey like i'm really proving Taiwanese food that my mom made.
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:18.390
Stephanie Linnander: Like, what do you recommend and all of a sudden, I have four people around me pointing out the menu like Oh, like you, gotta get this and kind of get that and then they finally said, like if you're just.
01:02:19.290 --> 01:02:26.130
Stephanie Linnander: Just tell it, you can also just call us and tell us what you're craving and just describe it to us and we'll cook it for you and I was like really.
01:02:27.090 --> 01:02:28.410
Akil Hill: I love restaurants, like that.
01:02:28.770 --> 01:02:38.820
Stephanie Linnander: Oh, it was so cool and I was like absolutely so one day I called him I was like hey I want white fish like brace brace and soy sauce with some ginger and some scallions hot oil on top.
01:02:39.090 --> 01:02:44.160
Stephanie Linnander: And they're like all right come pick you up in 20 minutes and I was just driving over there super stoked.
01:02:44.460 --> 01:02:44.910
Akil Hill: yeah.
01:02:45.540 --> 01:02:47.460
Stephanie Linnander: So that's been super cool but yeah i'm willing to.
01:02:48.660 --> 01:02:50.490
Akil Hill: Give that field to fork stephanie.
01:02:53.430 --> 01:02:53.790
Akil Hill: field.
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Hong Lieu: That is a fair point.
01:02:55.530 --> 01:02:59.880
Hong Lieu: And, as someone who can't rewrite Chinese either I mean the secret Chinese menu thing it.
01:03:00.300 --> 01:03:06.780
Hong Lieu: Is a is a thing in a lot of like isn't it's not done they don't do that in La like in this TV there there's no secret menu because.
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:14.340
Hong Lieu: You buys agrees to use them, I don't know I mean that I understand why you do it here because there's certain dishes that you don't have that many that much of that ingredients, so you want to kind of keep.
01:03:14.700 --> 01:03:19.410
Hong Lieu: keep those sales low, but in La they just trying to sell as much as they can have everything, so I want to kind of.
01:03:19.770 --> 01:03:20.250
Stephanie Linnander: Be on there.
01:03:20.460 --> 01:03:24.270
Hong Lieu: yeah and I was like oh man I forgot I left out to but you know but.
01:03:24.420 --> 01:03:25.560
Stephanie Linnander: China pavilion has one.
01:03:25.950 --> 01:03:26.910
Akil Hill: yep definitely.
01:03:26.940 --> 01:03:28.830
Hong Lieu: All the restaurants in town have a secret Chinese man.
01:03:28.830 --> 01:03:29.730
Stephanie Linnander: yeah exactly.
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:36.180
Hong Lieu: And and tenable it actually went to the extra step of translating it, which is nice, because now, because I do like ordering some of the dishes on there.
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:44.340
Hong Lieu: Like they have bitter melon you know which I really love and bitter melon o'neill is huge and i'm like well if you don't sell them it's bitter melon I can't even trust a bit of money given me because it's.
01:03:44.340 --> 01:03:44.730
Stephanie Linnander: giving me.
01:03:46.110 --> 01:03:50.220
Hong Lieu: Like three weeks old you never know but yeah I so i've kind of come around that as well, but.
01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:59.100
Hong Lieu: yeah there's I mean there's a am Jason Irvine so it's a little farther South and I but but Irvine is like a real hotbed for Asian kind of food and just Asian.
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:04.500
Hong Lieu: kind of people getting together because of the university and just like, if you want to see like, if you want to hang out with the.
01:04:05.010 --> 01:04:12.480
Hong Lieu: Young folks and see because a lot of young Asian just going out to eat is kind of like going out it's like before the club or after whatever yada yada.
01:04:12.750 --> 01:04:21.780
Hong Lieu: So, so those those kind of areas, what would happen would happen in restaurants seems like you know Rowland heights Irvine you know arcadia stuff like that it's definitely.
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:37.110
Stephanie Linnander: A Buddhist community food in Asian culture, if you did food, I mean if it was all cultures it's a huge connection, but especially that's our get together, you know hot pot, is my all time absolute favorite comfort food, above all else.
01:04:37.830 --> 01:04:44.490
Stephanie Linnander: And that we have one I think they make a change of ownership so many times that one that's on lower state.
01:04:44.520 --> 01:04:45.660
Hong Lieu: They spawn the dim sum.
01:04:46.110 --> 01:04:50.520
Hong Lieu: I think the lights dim sum, but they're hot pot was the most authentic because they had the bar the.
01:04:50.520 --> 01:04:51.060
01:04:53.580 --> 01:04:54.390
Hong Lieu: even have the duck next.
01:04:55.500 --> 01:05:07.020
Hong Lieu: Meeting duck next like a crazy person like oh God, what do you don't like oh man i'm so glad to have this stuff but yeah they they pivoted because I I guess it wasn't it wasn't paying the bills, I guess, all the way, but states free reign is just crazy so.
01:05:07.140 --> 01:05:13.200
Stephanie Linnander: yeah exactly but that's why you know boil actually has been my my other it's not the same thing, since it's like a single.
01:05:13.470 --> 01:05:14.490
Hong Lieu: solo pop it.
01:05:14.580 --> 01:05:15.300
Hong Lieu: is good.
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:23.100
Stephanie Linnander: it's still good until it hits the spot it, you know satisfy the craving for when it's like I, this is the best thing I can get in town, this is what i'm going for.
01:05:23.370 --> 01:05:33.090
Hong Lieu: And if you want boba popcorn chicken, you know boy was also the best spot if you knew I like they don't do brick toast, which is the one boba snack that I really miss is like the giant hug a piece of bread, with the condensed milk, but.
01:05:33.660 --> 01:05:35.190
Stephanie Linnander: I wasn't render that honestly.
01:05:35.520 --> 01:05:36.840
Stephanie Linnander: it's a little too sweet for me.
01:05:38.100 --> 01:05:40.590
Hong Lieu: I could like I said no taste, no taste here.
01:05:44.160 --> 01:05:44.670
Hong Lieu: Oh yeah.
01:05:45.090 --> 01:06:01.800
Stephanie Linnander: I got spoiled with boba and Taiwan like being a bit of a boba snob if you will bobo is Taiwanese and I came from there and I prior to the pandemic i'd go there, once a year, my sister lives out there with her husband, and so they.
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:18.390
Stephanie Linnander: Were my go to spot for my annual Taiwan trip and that's where I get my boob effects and how pop fix and all of the Taiwanese food would be my annual trip out there and with Kobe that's come to a close, so I have her vicariously some photos to me, so I can look through her at this point.
01:06:18.660 --> 01:06:27.300
Hong Lieu: My my wife is my wife, his wife, but she's she loves bubble way more than I do, and she's like she's like not a full on kind of service, she likes really good boba.
01:06:27.690 --> 01:06:40.500
Hong Lieu: Her favorite boba is in La it's a chain that's from Taiwan teach Ascension and like it's like it does, I can even taste it as someone with no taste, it is like that that extra little notch above where the qq of the boba chou.
01:06:40.650 --> 01:06:41.790
Stephanie Linnander: Yes, the qq.
01:06:42.240 --> 01:06:43.920
Hong Lieu: tea milk balance is excellent.
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:50.760
Hong Lieu: So yeah I can respect it, even though i'm like yeah i'll take that quickly tapioca express just it's just the same too, but yeah I mean talent.
01:06:51.810 --> 01:06:59.550
Hong Lieu: really like 20 sausage stinky tofu pork chop right a lot of it is like CAFE like like not CAFE like diner food too cheap in it it's just like.
01:06:59.730 --> 01:07:10.680
Hong Lieu: You get together with friends, you get together with family, you can all get something different, you know if you want steak and eggs and pork chop rice and some stinky tofu or some Chinese the time when he saw studies, which are all excellent yeah.
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:20.970
Stephanie Linnander: I do, like all the night market foods and that's when you know, one of the big things that they're known for is that night market just kind of reacting to to qq I actually haven't heard somebody say qq in.
01:07:21.030 --> 01:07:25.680
Stephanie Linnander: In years only because I think that my mom and my sister, and I use.
01:07:25.890 --> 01:07:43.230
Stephanie Linnander: So qq is a is a texture it's like a chewing is that tune, is that you get with boba is qq and it's something that's so sought after like if you get like a good like steam bow or been and that it's just right where you get that she was like Oh, this is qq is perfect.
01:07:44.010 --> 01:07:51.600
Hong Lieu: mushy is not mushy it gives a little bit back, but it definitely is soft soft and my husband, not to be machine that is.
01:07:51.660 --> 01:07:54.150
Stephanie Linnander: me you like unlocked a total memory that I.
01:07:56.730 --> 01:08:08.220
Hong Lieu: Oh yeah you can't you can't do like a boba analysis without without without analyzing the qq along with the ratio and i'm just nice green tea guide, so I just like the straight T flavor as well yeah you.
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.280
Akil Hill: So funny you guys made me think about.
01:08:12.420 --> 01:08:25.080
Akil Hill: One other thing that i'm going to throw out in the show too, because you guys are talking about the boba that the texture last weekend I think was last week in the week before we were done in Santa Monica and we tried to the mochi not.
01:08:25.320 --> 01:08:26.700
Hong Lieu: Oh that's right the Multi donut.
01:08:26.790 --> 01:08:38.940
Akil Hill: yeah so it was a more she was like a multi donut so that's another spot if you find yourself down in in the La area it's something worth trying out there actually are getting getting ready to open one in northridge.
01:08:40.050 --> 01:08:47.460
Akil Hill: But so that would be a little bit closer but it's not open yet, but yeah it's that that kind of texture where you're saying, where it's like.
01:08:48.510 --> 01:08:53.280
Akil Hill: it's a little a little soft but not too soft and so it just made me think about.
01:08:53.850 --> 01:08:57.690
Hong Lieu: Multi donuts and and mochi is definitely qq when you hit it hit it right like.
01:08:57.690 --> 01:09:00.450
Hong Lieu: yeah wait a couple days to too chewy.
01:09:00.750 --> 01:09:09.810
Hong Lieu: yeah if you get it if he gets the job done wrong it's too mushy bone you hit it just right that is definitely qq in a nutshell, and and there is one person in town here doing mochi donuts.
01:09:10.320 --> 01:09:14.820
Hong Lieu: His name is more donors he's like an instagram pop up he sells out a lot so it's kind of hard to get up here.
01:09:15.060 --> 01:09:17.460
Hong Lieu: yeah but in terms of yeah I.
01:09:17.820 --> 01:09:18.360
Akil Hill: haven't tried them.
01:09:18.570 --> 01:09:19.380
Akil Hill: Is the Asian, though.
01:09:19.740 --> 01:09:20.610
Hong Lieu: yeah well yeah.
01:09:20.700 --> 01:09:21.840
Hong Lieu: Okay okay cool I came.
01:09:21.930 --> 01:09:22.290
Akil Hill: out, you know.
01:09:22.320 --> 01:09:24.690
Hong Lieu: He knows the guy that prostate tie your choice tie.
01:09:25.050 --> 01:09:27.660
Hong Lieu: Because it makes his own ice cream the criminal criminal.
01:09:28.380 --> 01:09:39.180
Hong Lieu: Criminal I think is actually put in the show notes as well, so they know each other, my because my wife befriended a boss because she's been trying to get him to do both but stuff and do some other stuff too, because she wants to kind of bring some more that food.
01:09:39.750 --> 01:09:43.680
Hong Lieu: yeah she's she's she's more of an ambassador for the culture than I am at this point.
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:48.240
Hong Lieu: So i'm kind of embarrassed to say no taste, not an ambassador for the culture, like really.
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:51.510
Stephanie Linnander: she's she's pushing you in the right direction.
01:09:52.410 --> 01:09:54.510
Hong Lieu: She dragged me, along with you.
01:09:54.540 --> 01:10:03.180
Akil Hill: So in the Santa Monica mall that's where the mochi it's called mochi now that's the name of the company, but so we kind of stumbled.
01:10:04.380 --> 01:10:06.030
Akil Hill: Across it, it was like you know.
01:10:07.170 --> 01:10:16.560
Akil Hill: Ramadan was still in, and so we were like you know someone's getting ready said we're trying to figure out where we're going to eat we're walking around the food court and we stumbled into it.
01:10:17.730 --> 01:10:27.720
Akil Hill: And it was funny because the there was a line kind of growing right, and so the line was they just did a bad job at really creating like.
01:10:28.980 --> 01:10:35.100
Akil Hill: You know, like this is the line right, so the wind kind of wrapped around the side of the of the donut shop.
01:10:35.610 --> 01:10:44.160
Akil Hill: And people would come in one direction, and just think that they were at the at the beginning of the line, but then the line was on the side, so you know it had that whole tension, we.
01:10:44.430 --> 01:10:46.710
Akil Hill: were like people are like there's only.
01:10:46.860 --> 01:10:47.160
Akil Hill: there's only.
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.580
Akil Hill: there's only a few minutes left, right and they weren't.
01:10:51.030 --> 01:10:58.710
Akil Hill: They weren't making them fast enough and so people would roll in and he could see they're standing there and other people are like given that depth look right.
01:10:59.070 --> 01:11:07.050
Akil Hill: And so, then they kind of feel like oh wait divides over here so then we go in and, and so the funny thing is like you know, I was like look.
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:15.750
Akil Hill: we're getting that doesn't like i'm like I it's like I don't even care if they're good I had never tried to like just share on principle they're about to run out.
01:11:17.460 --> 01:11:25.590
Akil Hill: And so the people behind us, they were like you know they're like really interested they're ordering because they're like this guy is going to order it here everything.
01:11:25.650 --> 01:11:25.920
Akil Hill: You know.
01:11:26.610 --> 01:11:40.050
Akil Hill: But uh yeah so it's that was funny all the tension that the drama donuts running now you're like oh no the chocolate, you know it's all gone, you know, and so, but yeah mochi donuts man those.
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:48.060
Akil Hill: crazy good you know the strawberry one was one of my favorites they had a whole bunch different layers like strawberry peach.
01:11:49.890 --> 01:11:59.790
Akil Hill: Had a yogurt flavor a blueberry blueberry actually was one of my favorites to strawberries and blueberries I didn't try the chocolate because wifey kind of devoured those before I got to.
01:12:02.160 --> 01:12:02.460
Akil Hill: But.
01:12:02.550 --> 01:12:03.780
Akil Hill: She said they were good.
01:12:04.620 --> 01:12:05.430
Akil Hill: And so.
01:12:06.450 --> 01:12:12.630
Akil Hill: But uh yeah definitely if you in the Santa Monica area you got to make sure you hit them the mochi donuts.
01:12:13.830 --> 01:12:15.630
Akil Hill: I was trying to bring some back home, but you know.
01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:18.390
Akil Hill: Maybe you have a beast.
01:12:18.480 --> 01:12:19.590
Akil Hill: You know how be sometimes.
01:12:19.890 --> 01:12:21.780
Hong Lieu: You know, you know and and.
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:31.740
Hong Lieu: and your mom's with YouTube and she texted me to she's like those mochi donuts we're good i'm like oh man like you like you did it did it right though you got showing out for the family that's good yes.
01:12:31.770 --> 01:12:35.730
Akil Hill: So that's those who are tie and watch during that span.
01:12:36.300 --> 01:12:42.210
Hong Lieu: will get everything in the show notes as best we can and we covered a lot of ground which is, which is what the show is all about, and now we're headed.
01:12:42.540 --> 01:12:56.850
Hong Lieu: hendra and our last segment, which is a higher learning so Stephen you want to kick us off again book TV music movie any piece of culture that that's kind of moved, you are kind of you know, recent or throughout your life if you want to share anything.
01:12:59.460 --> 01:13:10.020
Stephanie Linnander: Definitely i've been so been hitting the books back again so your free time has been few far between besides, you know the occasional you know 90 day fiance episode that I.
01:13:14.280 --> 01:13:19.740
Stephanie Linnander: that's why i'm sorry that's my go to is all the spin offs of 90 day fiance our.
01:13:19.740 --> 01:13:21.060
Stephanie Linnander: Man Steve.
01:13:22.140 --> 01:13:23.910
Akil Hill: This is gonna continue after the show but go ahead.
01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:30.690
Stephanie Linnander: i'm so happy with that there's a lot of people that go ooh really i'm like I love tlc i'm sorry.
01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:41.340
Stephanie Linnander: But i've been hitting the books, a lot lately obviously finishing up school and the the most interesting course that i've taken recently was.
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:52.590
Stephanie Linnander: The history of indigenous Americans and and learning more about the culture and history behind that, and you know the impact of our US politics and.
01:13:53.400 --> 01:14:12.870
Stephanie Linnander: The impact on that and the one day thing that the instructor did to kick off the course was we had to watch a Ted talk and it was called the danger of a single story and I keep ever since I took that course a couple of months ago I keep referencing it because I think it was so powerful.
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Stephanie Linnander: And what it practices is when you listen to one person side of of a story or one person's experience we have a tendency to hone in on that narrative and the example given.
01:14:29.820 --> 01:14:37.560
Stephanie Linnander: In in it well, you can basically compare it to is you know I meet somebody and i'm like oh all right.
01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:43.170
Stephanie Linnander: you're from xyz culture and I hear your story, and I take it as oh Now I know about the culture.
01:14:43.470 --> 01:14:53.130
Stephanie Linnander: And that's my takeaway and in their instances, it was watching movies and assuming that you know all white people are Americans, and therefore this is how they act.
01:14:53.550 --> 01:15:03.360
Stephanie Linnander: And it's the danger of a single story and that's why I think it circles back to what you mentioned earlier, Hong where it's listening to everybody's different stories and experiences and.
01:15:03.810 --> 01:15:13.290
Stephanie Linnander: You gave the example of looking at Sweden, for example, and feeling like you know they're really progressive and they have you know their inch together, and you know they're doing great.
01:15:14.730 --> 01:15:23.100
Stephanie Linnander: But then we hear about these different things that are going on in the different layers so that reliance on a single story is such a dangerous narrative.
01:15:23.430 --> 01:15:30.240
Stephanie Linnander: And that we really need to look at multiple perspectives and really hear the experiences of.
01:15:30.780 --> 01:15:43.140
Stephanie Linnander: A variety of people and that never ends we're constantly evolving in that that I can't just hear your story in Hong and yours akil is I need to go, I want to truly understand I need to go deeper and go broader and that will.
01:15:43.830 --> 01:15:58.860
Stephanie Linnander: never end it'll continue forever and you know it's it's being aware and cognizant of that and that Ted talk has just really stuck with me, ever since, so I would highly recommend that anybody watched that for that insight.
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Hong Lieu: yeah it's it's definitely a powerful valid like you know message and very important is that not only to do not count on that same a story.
01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:16.740
Hong Lieu: But did that learning must go on forever, because the narrative is always continuing unfold, and we are all individuals, which is you know, we are all.
01:16:16.980 --> 01:16:26.790
Hong Lieu: Equal as individuals, so to get those individual perspectives and kind of tie them into the overarching all is is essential and I feel like for you, you kind of advocated for this especially.
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Hong Lieu: As someone who's mixed race, you know my son is mixed race akil kills not you know, like, I mean it's just.
01:16:33.420 --> 01:16:37.470
Hong Lieu: A single story to a mixed race person is like you know it was like one day, you know because.
01:16:38.100 --> 01:16:44.280
Hong Lieu: there's there's so many it's such a multifaceted kind of existence there's so many aspects of it, and I see my son kind of you know navigating.
01:16:44.550 --> 01:16:52.590
Hong Lieu: His his two sides of the two sides of His story in different ways, were like you know my parents are the angry, you know angry evil was.
01:16:53.040 --> 01:17:01.020
Hong Lieu: My wife's parents with it, you know, like but it's but it's reconciling both of them understanding he's a little you know he's a part of both and both both aspects of the culture are important.
01:17:01.320 --> 01:17:08.460
Hong Lieu: to acknowledge and recognize, I mean you can't you can't boil any any of that down to a single story you can't sell anybody on this planet.
01:17:08.820 --> 01:17:16.800
Hong Lieu: To to to a single story and oppression, a meeting you know it's like even food critics when they when they write about restaurants there they don't go eat there once they write their story.
01:17:17.130 --> 01:17:26.130
Hong Lieu: You eat there multiple times you sample various dishes you know, like this, all that principle to see to extend to our lives in general it's a very important kind of point to me right.
01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:38.760
Akil Hill: What I also to what I also here and i'm kind of reflecting on listening to you share that with stephanie is also the piece of the element of of traveling you know because.
01:17:39.990 --> 01:17:49.440
Akil Hill: that's the piece in it, and so, for a lot of American people, you know a lot of American people, they don't even have a passport, let alone, three side FLEX.
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01:17:52.200 --> 01:18:04.680
Akil Hill: um that you know I you know i've had the you know the good fortune to travel pretty extensively and I really understand like you know a lot of my biases or.
01:18:05.220 --> 01:18:08.880
Akil Hill: You know preconceived notions shifted when I was in different places.
01:18:09.420 --> 01:18:14.880
Akil Hill: You know, when I was in Saudi Arabia things shifted when I was in Turkey things shifted when I was in Morocco.
01:18:15.180 --> 01:18:23.640
Akil Hill: Things shifted when I was in you know different places that i've been when I was in Japan being shifted like a lot of a lot of your preconceived notions.
01:18:24.210 --> 01:18:37.080
Akil Hill: Are you know just just simply not right you're just you know what I mean and and that comes from a lot of you know, the media, or what we think that we know we know about a group of people.
01:18:37.410 --> 01:18:41.250
Akil Hill: versus actually spending time in the presence in their company in their country.
01:18:42.030 --> 01:18:50.850
Akil Hill: So you know I just think it's important you know to you know remind the listeners, and if you guys after cove it passes I would highly suggest.
01:18:51.180 --> 01:18:57.330
Akil Hill: If there's not one thing I think what people should really take away from the pandemic is people need to travel.
01:18:58.050 --> 01:19:08.730
Akil Hill: You know you've been stuck in a home for a year okay now it's time to travel get out there and see the world and and and challenges you challenge your own stuff with your your notions and your beliefs, what you thought you may have.
01:19:09.390 --> 01:19:15.150
Akil Hill: New prior going into it, you know, so you know get a passport you don't have to get three but definitely want.
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Stephanie Linnander: At least one I recommend it when my big thing is the biggest takeaway as well, and always advocate strongly for international students, the International program does such amazing work with them, and unfortunately they get given a bad rap a lot we've seen the the Community.
01:19:34.890 --> 01:19:41.760
Stephanie Linnander: And kind of viewpoint on international students, I was very negative in years past towards international students and.
01:19:42.270 --> 01:19:47.520
Stephanie Linnander: A lot of people do have a lot of preconceived notions of them I was once part of that group.
01:19:47.970 --> 01:19:53.460
Stephanie Linnander: And a lot of what I can you know, sometimes hear from other students staff or faculty are like.
01:19:53.760 --> 01:20:05.550
Stephanie Linnander: Oh, the Swedish students are like this oh are tiny students are like this, you know, are you know and kind of grouping them together, but one thing I try to remind them as myself, coming from Sweden is.
01:20:06.870 --> 01:20:17.730
Stephanie Linnander: This group of sweets I come over there, a specific cohort of students that share that ideology and lifestyle and will to come over to the US and study it doesn't represent.
01:20:18.210 --> 01:20:26.130
Stephanie Linnander: All of the Swedish you know 20 something year olds that come over here and that's the danger of a single story is we're looking at this and categorizing us.
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:32.100
Stephanie Linnander: Oh, these are how Swedes are or these are how our Chinese students are Korean students.
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:44.880
Stephanie Linnander: And just looking at it as a single story is so dangerous, because not representative of it there's so many facets to it, you can't take your experience with this one person and mold it as and take it as.
01:20:45.360 --> 01:20:56.310
Stephanie Linnander: You know the Community or the culture as a whole and so really being continually cognizant of that and traveling and experiencing it and being proactive in that is so important.
01:20:57.570 --> 01:21:04.020
Hong Lieu: yeah those preconceived notions they're not completely worthless like they'll get you maybe 50 55% of the way, but if you're.
01:21:04.470 --> 01:21:10.530
Hong Lieu: Trying to take that to make it 100% and your point is made yeah that's not gonna that's not gonna work so so you really have to.
01:21:11.040 --> 01:21:17.550
Hong Lieu: compliment it's like analytics and sports I think about like all those all the analytics are important, but if you don't watch the Games, what do you really know you know so it's like.
01:21:17.910 --> 01:21:25.470
Hong Lieu: All the your preconceived notions or this and that but, until you meet someone and actually get to know them and and and meet more people and really.
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:34.410
Hong Lieu: Especially because, like I said individual we're all individuals, by definition, so there are literally you know over 6 billion different impressions on this planet right now.
01:21:34.710 --> 01:21:40.290
Hong Lieu: let alone in the past and what's to come just right now 6 billion different perspectives.
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:53.340
Hong Lieu: On what this human condition is all about, so if you're not even getting to know, but one or two and you're trying to make big old grand statements about things yeah it's just you kind of know what you're getting into before you get into it so definitely.
01:21:53.430 --> 01:22:03.030
Stephanie Linnander: And I would also say there's a lot of things right in front of us that we can also you know work to understand better and appreciate and and work hard towards to be more inclusion airy.
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Stephanie Linnander: i've worked with the esl program here on campus for a couple of years past year, with a pandemic has has slowed.
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Stephanie Linnander: But this this might be going into a different tangent but in terms of deaf culture, especially is being cognizant of that and that existing on our campus as well, we do have we have two dash.
01:22:24.870 --> 01:22:31.170
Stephanie Linnander: faculty on our campus Ignacio ponce and and cat as well, they are.
01:22:31.980 --> 01:22:44.250
Stephanie Linnander: Huge part of this campus and the esl program and the work they've done it's phenomenal in terms of being include unary for deaf and hard of hearing students, which is one thing I did want to mention with regards to this podcast is.
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Stephanie Linnander: Would it be possible to transcribe it as well just for that accessibility as well.
01:22:49.980 --> 01:22:53.130
Hong Lieu: We do provide subtitles on all of our episodes.
01:22:53.190 --> 01:22:53.910
Stephanie Linnander: You have to go through.
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Hong Lieu: To our simple cast page, to get them and they are done by zoom so they're not kind of all the way there but yeah they they do a pretty good job for the most part.
01:23:03.090 --> 01:23:09.090
Hong Lieu: So yeah we do provide a trance transcript for each episode that some of the timestamps get a little off because I do a little bit of.
01:23:09.900 --> 01:23:12.690
Hong Lieu: some slight edits but they're brought 95% of the way there.
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Hong Lieu: In terms of quality, I can't speak on the call but they're definitely not going to pass like Ada muster but yes we I do absolutely I didn't think about that cognizant Lisa we do have the zoom transcripts with me yep okay cool cool cool.
01:23:25.200 --> 01:23:31.860
Stephanie Linnander: So yeah so there's a lot of work that we can always do not only out in the world, but also here at home in our Community as well.
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:33.720
Stephanie Linnander: Absolutely.
01:23:33.780 --> 01:23:38.880
Hong Lieu: Well, said, and I will definitely get a link to that Ted talk in the show notes so folks can check it out and.
01:23:39.450 --> 01:23:49.920
Hong Lieu: kind of build on the conversation we've been having here because definitely worth having a definitely worth you know expounding on even further, because you can never you can go, you can go forever on that that's a that's a topic, you can just go.
01:23:50.280 --> 01:23:53.610
Stephanie Linnander: Oh yeah no that's the thing where i'm like Oh, I can snowball and keep going forever.
01:23:54.150 --> 01:23:57.720
Hong Lieu: yeah just like we were talking about food all sounds like you came up and we went another know.
01:23:59.040 --> 01:24:00.930
Hong Lieu: What it's all about all about.
01:24:01.980 --> 01:24:02.730
Hong Lieu: Thank you for that.
01:24:04.020 --> 01:24:08.190
Hong Lieu: Alright cool you want me to go again, you want to go oh alright.
01:24:09.990 --> 01:24:10.680
Hong Lieu: Alright, I go.
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Akil Hill: yeah go ahead.
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Hong Lieu: I got to do quick picks this week, I wanted to mention to animated thing that I did I did kind of comics last week somebody some animated stuff this week, yes Okay, which is on.
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Akil Hill: Oh, that was me.
01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:25.740
Akil Hill: I was you okay i'll stop talking about yes okay.
01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:27.180
Akil Hill: No, no.
01:24:27.270 --> 01:24:27.570
Akil Hill: i'll wait.
01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:28.320
Akil Hill: i'll wait and well.
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Hong Lieu: I know cuz I got to.
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Hong Lieu: I got to I got to my second pick my second pick is gonna be invincible.
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Hong Lieu: Which is on Amazon streaming full disclosure my oldest sister is the executive producer of animation and Amazon so she helped.
01:24:42.180 --> 01:24:51.270
Hong Lieu: kind of bring that show to the she works to us he works on all the animation she's not like an animator she's like the behind the scenes kind of person, but so she works on everything that's enemy that ran and, most of us.
01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:54.390
Hong Lieu: kind of comes through her office so she was a part of that process and.
01:24:55.170 --> 01:25:00.570
Hong Lieu: But it turned out really well, I was a fan of the comic before it kind of hit the hit the screen and they did a great job kind of.
01:25:01.050 --> 01:25:05.730
Hong Lieu: Bringing the comic to the screen and i'm kind of excited to see how they adapt some of the other storylines.
01:25:06.120 --> 01:25:11.730
Hong Lieu: It is very violent I mean it's like it's like grisly violent in terms of like the show but.
01:25:12.060 --> 01:25:20.400
Hong Lieu: But it's it's kind of it's needed to kind of tell that story it's a superhero think it's like the boys common Amazon, just like a realistic superior story, but the boys live action and invisibles animated.
01:25:21.120 --> 01:25:28.380
Hong Lieu: And I just thought they did a really good job and its faithful to the comics so if you're curious if you're curious about it all is definitely worth checking out and yeah it.
01:25:28.740 --> 01:25:35.910
Hong Lieu: The first season eight episodes and it ends kind of on a cliffhanger and it's oh yeah it was it was excellent and it's it's one of those things where.
01:25:36.480 --> 01:25:40.830
Hong Lieu: She was telling me about the production and saying there were there were like moments, where I was like you know touchy here and there, but.
01:25:41.220 --> 01:25:49.320
Hong Lieu: In terms of when it came out and the impact it's had all my friends are talking about it and we're just like it just it was just really good I mean if you can get over like the hyper violence aspect of it which.
01:25:49.590 --> 01:25:57.570
Hong Lieu: Is animated it's kind of comical you know it's superhero so people are going to get like ripped in half and stuff it happens, but if, once you get over that it's a really good.
01:25:58.770 --> 01:26:01.980
Hong Lieu: it's like it's and it's a superhero family so like the father is the Superman.
01:26:02.340 --> 01:26:08.490
Hong Lieu: And the sun is this is, you know he's he's he just got his powers, but it turns out that the father is like.
01:26:08.820 --> 01:26:16.020
Hong Lieu: secretly kind of like has an evil kind of support ran through so I just asked i'll leave it at that and then like, if you want, you can yeah i'll put a link in the show us invincible.
01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:27.660
Hong Lieu: And, and the guy who did invincible comic also did walking dead Robert kirkman so it's his two babies are walking dead and invincible and now they both been adapted into good TV specialist and yeah awesome so.
01:26:28.740 --> 01:26:32.520
Hong Lieu: Nice nice nice way to get a plug for my family member there and also.
01:26:32.610 --> 01:26:33.720
Akil Hill: Ah yeah.
01:26:34.830 --> 01:26:38.190
Hong Lieu: And then the day the what the what I wanted to spend that off the point I wanted to make is that.
01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:47.310
Hong Lieu: it's not like we know we we all grew up we're just chillin like it's not like my sister was this person like really like like she was in animation but it wasn't like something where I looked at her like she's going to get.
01:26:47.610 --> 01:26:54.270
Hong Lieu: You know, get into doing animation one day it's just one of the things where the experiences we had growing up like we'd all sit together and watch TV.
01:26:54.570 --> 01:26:58.920
Hong Lieu: or she's the one I showed me anime like she brought she brought like akira on table and we watched it like.
01:26:59.160 --> 01:27:04.140
Hong Lieu: Little things like that that I didn't think meant that much in the moment like they were they were profound moments for me.
01:27:04.470 --> 01:27:07.950
Hong Lieu: Because of what I was learning in terms of you know, being exposed to pop culture.
01:27:08.340 --> 01:27:15.960
Hong Lieu: But in terms of like having that profile kind of impression I didn't know it was something that we kind of springboard into a career with a and that's kind of how all of our lives, end up being.
01:27:16.230 --> 01:27:23.250
Hong Lieu: A little moments, and things that you pick up on throughout your life experiences that you really like profoundly meaningful to you, you don't know how other people kind of.
01:27:23.670 --> 01:27:31.020
Hong Lieu: exists in those planes as well, like like experience really profound to me, maybe weren't so to her, and vice versa, where something else there is like humdrum girls like well you know, like so.
01:27:31.410 --> 01:27:41.430
Hong Lieu: You know, like it just kind of interesting to see how our lives played out and where that brought us and the little moments, and things that I can think of, now that kind of led us on that path and it's just kind of cool.
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01:27:44.670 --> 01:27:45.150
Akil Hill: Nice.
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:47.280
Hong Lieu: Article.
01:27:47.730 --> 01:27:50.310
Akil Hill: I was so excited to accept my listen, I know how he.
01:27:50.340 --> 01:27:51.210
likes to geek out.
01:27:53.280 --> 01:28:05.820
Akil Hill: On anime and so i'm like i'm going to give him, and you know it is API month and so i'm like i'm gonna try to step out here on the limb and do some enemy, which is not like my forte or my.
01:28:05.820 --> 01:28:06.540
Hong Lieu: watched it.
01:28:06.930 --> 01:28:08.430
Akil Hill: And yeah I watched.
01:28:09.900 --> 01:28:11.010
Akil Hill: I watched those series.
01:28:12.390 --> 01:28:13.170
Akil Hill: and
01:28:14.730 --> 01:28:20.220
Akil Hill: I thought was pretty good it's always yes good, how do you pronounce it yesterday.
01:28:20.610 --> 01:28:21.870
Hong Lieu: I go yeah yes okay.
01:28:22.050 --> 01:28:22.710
Akil Hill: Yes, okay.
01:28:22.770 --> 01:28:25.050
Hong Lieu: So you're fasting like yesterday but yeah yeah yeah.
01:28:26.010 --> 01:28:27.300
Akil Hill: i'm used to saying yesterday but.
01:28:27.420 --> 01:28:28.350
Hong Lieu: yeah yes okay well.
01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:33.360
Akil Hill: um but uh basically we can talk to him on this on.
01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:34.320
Hong Lieu: yeah since.
01:28:34.350 --> 01:28:39.120
Akil Hill: Since i'm sure you know you went in you probably took a super deep dive but basically.
01:28:39.150 --> 01:28:44.400
Akil Hill: it's a story about an African man who comes to Japan in the 15th century.
01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:50.220
Akil Hill: And he basically becomes a summer I I believe he.
01:28:51.720 --> 01:28:52.920
Akil Hill: He was under.
01:28:54.120 --> 01:28:55.260
Akil Hill: what's the guy's name.
01:28:55.710 --> 01:28:56.640
Hong Lieu: i'm moving Naga.
01:28:56.730 --> 01:29:09.870
Akil Hill: No, no, but Naga yo what was his first name is Olga Olga Olga Olga and so, but it's kind of it's like the show that's on netflix it's an enemy show and it's kind of like telling His story.
01:29:11.220 --> 01:29:15.750
Akil Hill: And so you know that's who that's That was my PIC for the week.
01:29:17.220 --> 01:29:19.920
Akil Hill: I one thing I did really like about it is.
01:29:21.660 --> 01:29:39.090
Akil Hill: This is gonna sound crazy, but I thought the music, it was really well done there was like that that blend of like Japanese and hip hop kind of infused so it was good to see like the culture is kind of colliding and making making beautiful things together.
01:29:40.230 --> 01:29:43.140
Akil Hill: And so, but yeah I mean what else would you say about it.
01:29:43.530 --> 01:29:57.450
Hong Lieu: yeah so the music was done by a flying Lotus notes I lo he's a producer from La he does he has a record label called brain feeder he just kind of like he has like a jazz bass, but he does a lot of electronic kind of production so for the soundtrack is really good.
01:29:58.560 --> 01:30:04.050
Hong Lieu: And, and it is based on a true story in terms of yesterday was you know serve under auto newbie Naga.
01:30:04.290 --> 01:30:12.960
Hong Lieu: They have an animation itself there's like robots and magic involved, so it gets pretty fantastical pretty quick, but I kind of like that, as well you know where where they integrate some of the.
01:30:13.260 --> 01:30:18.510
Hong Lieu: The the classic anime tropes like you know giant Mecca and things of that sort, to to kind of add to the story.
01:30:18.990 --> 01:30:27.840
Hong Lieu: And yeah and it's just it's Well done, the animation studios mappa they did they've they've worked on a lot of stuff they did the final season of attack on titan.
01:30:28.410 --> 01:30:32.820
Hong Lieu: David this movie called in this corner of the world which I really loved so I knew the studio.
01:30:33.300 --> 01:30:38.430
Hong Lieu: And I think the animation is really well done, the action is pretty phonetic like they did a good job animating the action.
01:30:38.850 --> 01:30:42.780
Hong Lieu: And it's just kind of a cool story, because you know the people think of Japan as it's like.
01:30:43.170 --> 01:30:50.010
Hong Lieu: You know this isolationist you know just Japanese island but seeing stories like this, where Yasukuni was in the 15th century and African man who.
01:30:50.310 --> 01:30:59.610
Hong Lieu: Who who ended up in the circle that one of the one of the kind of older noble Naga is like a Japanese heavyweight in terms of the dime meals of you know, like the leaders of that.
01:31:00.390 --> 01:31:04.470
Hong Lieu: I mean the first time I heard about him was from a video game that's kind of when I guess ambitions strategy game.
01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:09.120
Hong Lieu: Where you do, like all the stuff so just having that name out there, like, I know that name from other sources, and then.
01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:16.860
Hong Lieu: was able to do that deep dive and knowing that yes, Okay, was able to get in kind of that upper Echelon of being in that inner circle with him.
01:31:17.370 --> 01:31:23.760
Hong Lieu: Is is kind of a big deal, you know so so first for something through a country, and you know you think of this isolation if.
01:31:24.180 --> 01:31:33.840
Hong Lieu: You know Japanese first kind of thing to you know that African man was able to kind of integration, it shows you how relay out interlinked all the cultures were even back then.
01:31:34.140 --> 01:31:40.530
Hong Lieu: You know, in terms of trade routes and and people, you know you know interacting with each other, like the Silk Road.
01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:48.900
Hong Lieu: And between all this between all these things like the Silk Road in China, the naval routes in Japan, you can just see how how the global culture was even back then was was.
01:31:49.230 --> 01:31:58.500
Hong Lieu: We were all still kind of that that one one world at that time, even with kind of the isolation is conversations we have about history, you know it's all it's all interlinked.
01:31:59.040 --> 01:32:08.580
Hong Lieu: And that's why I thought it was a great story to highlight, because not just this good enemy and could separate with just like you know the 15th century was pop was often public just like just like it is today so yeah.
01:32:09.570 --> 01:32:13.170
Akil Hill: yeah there's also a really good series to it's called the age of summer right.
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Akil Hill: it's on netflix as well and it kind of talks about the history of the diet meals and how'd you paying kind of came about.
01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:31.080
Akil Hill: A being and then there's a big section on there on where they they look at noble Naga and they talk about him and what its contribution was how he actually basically united.
01:32:32.850 --> 01:32:46.590
Akil Hill: Japan under him in and he was first one to kind of united, Japan and granted it was done pretty brutally but he was the first one that actually made it happen, and it was really interesting because you know the history of.
01:32:47.940 --> 01:32:56.400
Akil Hill: usc is really interesting because you know i'm thinking about 15th century, they say he was really tall statue was like six feet.
01:32:56.790 --> 01:33:08.490
Akil Hill: I guess the average Japanese person in that period of time they're like 5556 how you must have just totally been like people are like probably bugging out, and I can testify to that.
01:33:09.060 --> 01:33:17.160
Akil Hill: You know i've traveled to Japan several times, and one of the first times I had actually went to Japan, I actually went to.
01:33:17.580 --> 01:33:30.750
Akil Hill: Hokkaido, which is the Northern Ireland above Japan, and I was went to a small town well it's actually kind of a bigger city it's the second biggest city in Hokkaido is called a psychology and for a lot of.
01:33:31.740 --> 01:33:38.310
Akil Hill: People that was first time they seen anyone black right, and so I just remembered the reactions of the kids in the streets and the people and.
01:33:38.820 --> 01:33:50.040
Akil Hill: That kind of thing where they're probably like who you know they're just tripping out on me and i've heard similar similar stories from my mom I mean she was you know, I was born in Japan, and she always tell stories about.
01:33:51.150 --> 01:33:59.700
Akil Hill: Being in Japan in the 70s and people trying to touch her Afro and touch with skin and all these different stories and so in a lot of ways, it kind of resonated with me.
01:34:00.990 --> 01:34:05.520
Akil Hill: You know I just remember one night when I was in a psych our.
01:34:06.570 --> 01:34:22.650
Akil Hill: We went to a club and people were just bugging out on me like it's so happened to be the night that I showed up there was a rapper performing from California, so I walked in people thought I was a rapper but because what are the chances of to black people being.
01:34:22.980 --> 01:34:36.690
Akil Hill: In this town, the same weekend, and so I pretty much got like bald because people thought I was a rapper, but it was pretty funny it's just good times and so again, alluding to your your point on about how.
01:34:38.190 --> 01:34:44.550
Akil Hill: You know it's so intertwined in so many different ways and so it's definitely worth checking out.
01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:48.810
Akil Hill: It was kind of funny I was thinking about you when I was watching it because i'm like.
01:34:49.230 --> 01:35:03.420
Akil Hill: Because you know Mike, and this is, you know not really my stick i'm not really a big anime guy but he kind of opened up some things for me so i'm hoping to explore that that lane a little bit more going, you know, in the future so but yeah.
01:35:03.510 --> 01:35:06.990
Hong Lieu: You got a good resource with your daughter she she knows, she knows all the good stuff so.
01:35:07.020 --> 01:35:08.760
Akil Hill: yeah she's yeah she's like.
01:35:08.820 --> 01:35:19.680
Akil Hill: always trying to tell me, you know she reads and writes and stuff like that so she was always like try this and try that and try this you know I just.
01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:30.720
Akil Hill: i'm still trying to get into i'm learning man it's it's tough, for me, because it's all like that futuristic type stuff and i'm like that's not really my lane but yeah definitely worth checking out.
01:35:31.380 --> 01:35:36.990
Hong Lieu: That I wasn't expecting that twist where they brought where the robot started busting out because I was expecting like a historical kind of drama because.
01:35:37.020 --> 01:35:37.740
Akil Hill: yeah me too.
01:35:37.770 --> 01:35:48.660
Hong Lieu: enemy Japan just runs kind of gamma you can have like serious stories, you can about stories SCI fi fantasy, so I was expecting kind of like a true to life telling and then giant robots and magic start popping i'm like Okay, I know I know where we're going now.
01:35:49.350 --> 01:35:51.150
Hong Lieu: Technical monsters, at least, luckily, but you know.
01:35:52.440 --> 01:35:52.770
Hong Lieu: So.
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Akil Hill: I think you're actually making a movie out of it, too, as well, I heard that there is that's in production.
01:35:57.930 --> 01:36:00.300
Hong Lieu: There were plans originally any chadwick bozeman was.
01:36:00.330 --> 01:36:00.810
Akil Hill: yeah.
01:36:01.380 --> 01:36:06.390
Hong Lieu: yeah, so I hope they keep the story of the revived story, because it wasn't I didn't know much about.
01:36:06.510 --> 01:36:07.980
Akil Hill: And yeah it was yeah.
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01:36:10.860 --> 01:36:15.150
Hong Lieu: So yeah that that great PICs this week definite definite higher learning and stephanie.
01:36:15.510 --> 01:36:27.300
Hong Lieu: Thank you so much for taking the time I know we ran we ran a little long today because we got into the qq and everything else, but all good knowledge nuggets of wisdom Thank you so much, it was an honor to have you on and we.
01:36:27.390 --> 01:36:28.200
Akil Hill: Just absolutely.
01:36:28.350 --> 01:36:32.880
Hong Lieu: Hope your trade SPC is long and prosperous any any last words you want to say before we sign off.
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Stephanie Linnander: Now, thank you guys so much.
01:36:35.040 --> 01:36:35.250
Hong Lieu: For.
01:36:35.670 --> 01:36:36.870
Stephanie Linnander: Having me on right.
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Stephanie Linnander: Now definitely thank you both so much for not only inviting me on but doing this for our campus community as a whole.
01:36:45.000 --> 01:37:01.260
Stephanie Linnander: I think it's super important and bringing the conversation back, and you know stirring it up again I think it's it's really great and just a big thank you to all the mentors that i've had throughout my career at CC and like we said that's it continues on from.
01:37:02.340 --> 01:37:06.360
Stephanie Linnander: To you know just I always say get that purse but pretty much.
01:37:07.290 --> 01:37:09.450
Akil Hill: Thank you, I was getting ready to say it too i'm glad you.
01:37:09.450 --> 01:37:09.810
Hong Lieu: said it.
01:37:10.740 --> 01:37:11.940
Akil Hill: All that calipers.
01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:14.700
Stephanie Linnander: I mean you're getting you're getting me in that mindset now So here we go.
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Hong Lieu: The values of public sector right, I mean the.
01:37:18.510 --> 01:37:20.100
Hong Lieu: Absolutely yeah.
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Stephanie Linnander: But thank you guys so much I super appreciate what you guys have been doing the College.
01:37:25.770 --> 01:37:36.090
Hong Lieu: And likewise We appreciate what you've done getting getting to open that window and seeing seeing the things you're doing in the cashiers office, if this fiscal services, I mean really enlightening really happy to hear about and and.
01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:43.590
Hong Lieu: It seems like you're making a live a difference in the lives of all of our students, so thank you much for that, and thank you all to our listeners.
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Hong Lieu: until next time this was Vaquero Voices we'll see you next time y'all.