Akil and Hong welcome Chemistry Department Chair and Academic Senate President Dr. Raeanne Napoleon to the show! While not the first faculty member on the show (and incorrectly mentioned as the first faculty instructor guest - apologies to Dr. Joshua Ramirez), Raeanne speaks of her role as a faculty member and department chair here at SBCC, and also her role as Academic Senate president and how the Senate differentiates itself from the larger Faculty Association. From there, the episode segues to Good Eatin' with conversations on wings, pizza, and pickles, and then Higher Learning concludes the show with a deep dive into hip-hop, and how the culture has changed everyone's lives.
Mentioned in this episode:
SBCC Chemistry - https://www.sbcc.edu/chemistry/
SBCC Faculty Association - http://fa.sbcc.edu/
SBCC Academic Senate - https://www.sbcc.edu/academicsenate/index.php
Pedagogy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedagogy
Giacomo’s Boston - https://www.giacomosboston.com/
Mount Kilimanjaro - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kilimanjaro
Chicken Wings - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_wing
Rochester, New York - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochester,_New_York
Wingman Rodeo - https://www.orderwingman.com/
Gentle Chic (Chicken place Akil mentions) - https://www.yelp.com/biz/gentle-chic-los-angeles?show_platform_modal=True
California Pizza Kitchen - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Pizza_Kitchen
Shalhoob (Cota Street Wings) - https://shalhoob.com/
Global Pickle Traditions - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pickled_foods
Fried Pickles - https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/food-network-kitchen/almost-famous-fried-pickles-recipe-2042799
The Pickle Room - https://threepickles.com/pickle-room-dinners
Famous Dave’s Spicy Pickles - https://www.amazon.com/Famous-Daves-Signature-Pickles-Pickle/dp/B0086HPHM0
Santa Barbara Pickle Company - https://pacificpickleworks.com/
MC Hammer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC_Hammer
Opposites Attract by Paula Abdul - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweiQukBM_k
Sean Combs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Combs
Notorious B.I.G. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Notorious_B.I.G.
Who Am I? (What’s My Name) by Snoop Dogg - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2soGJXQAQec
Wu-Tang Clan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu-Tang_Clan
Outkast - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outkast
The Score by the Fugees - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Score_(Fugees_album)
Slick Rick - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slick_Rick
Big Daddy Kane - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Daddy_Kane
Rakim - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakim
Geto Boys - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geto_Boys
Z-Ro - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-Ro
Summertime by DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr0tTbTbmVA
Ghetto Superstar by Pras featuring Mya - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atJwz7nZ22s
Big L - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_L
Black Star - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Star_(rap_duo)
Common - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_(rapper)
A Tribe Called Quest - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Tribe_Called_Quest
Native Tongues - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Tongues
Soulquarians - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulquarians
Rhymesayers Entertainment - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhymesayers_Entertainment
Eyedea - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyedea
Isley Brothers - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isley_Brothers
Yo! MTV Raps - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo!_MTV_Raps
I Used to Love H.E.R. by Common - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrUERC2Zk64
Pharoahe Monch - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharoahe_Monch
KRS-One - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRS-One
Jeru the Damaja - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeru_the_Damaja
Organized Konfusion - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_Konfusion
Brand Nubian - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_Nubian
Rapsody - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapsody
Noname - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noname_(rapper)
Chika - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chika_(rapper)
Tierra Whack - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tierra_Whack
The Shop - https://www.hbo.com/the-shop
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Hong Lieu: hello, and welcome to another episode of SBCC Vaquero Voices - a podcast highlighting the unique voices that comprise our campus culture, and how we're all working together to serve our students and the community at large. As usual, I'm joined by my co host Akil Hill.
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Akil Hill: was good.
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Hong Lieu: And today, we are honored to welcome Dr. Raeanne Napoleon to the show. Welcome!
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Akil Hill: I am so happy to have her.
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Akil Hill: I am so happy so.
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Hong Lieu: So Raeanne wears a lot of hats on this campus and we'll get to that you know as the show evolves but, first and foremost, you are the department, Chair of the chemistry department.
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Hong Lieu: and also the President of academic Senate, so I guess we'll touch on chemistry, first in terms of.
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Hong Lieu: Your one of our first fact I mean we had some folks academic counseling so you're not the first faculty Member on the show, but you are first like faculty faculty like quote unquote you know teacher on the show so.
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Hong Lieu: If you could just kind of go into chemistry, a little bit, and you know the the the the functions of the department and how that you know the basics of that for the listeners at home.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah so you know some some departments are are literally departments of one some are on the larger and English and math come to mind.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Chemistry is somewhere in the middle, so we got about four full time faculty right now part time faculty fluctuate here and there, depending on their own unique availability and things like that um so yeah i'm department chair, you know.
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Raeanne Napoleon: That.
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Raeanne Napoleon: is a unique job where you're kind of a pseudo boss, I guess, but not really because you don't have any authority.
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Raeanne Napoleon: All the bad stuff about being a job, like schedule management, you know um.
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Raeanne Napoleon: what's it called like the money, the budget thinking about that i'm.
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Akil Hill: Hearing problems.
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Raeanne Napoleon: All the problems I was just gonna say student complaints you um you know things like that, without any of the.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Actual authority to do anything about it, so you know it's it's a unique position that faculty find themselves in um you know clearly on some level it's rewarding I don't think I can tell you.
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Raeanne Napoleon: how or why but I mean clearly it is because we really do it for the greater good, I guess um but yeah chemistry is you know chemistry is a science class so it's it's.
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Raeanne Napoleon: unique in some ways, and that you know it has a lecture and then a lab associated with it, which is kind of the best of both worlds, because.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know you think about the traditional academy lecture hall right where you have this person at frat like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: eking out students with all of their wisdom, so, at least in my classroom there's that like that is what my lecture hall looks like there's typically 134 students and PS one on one with me.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And then we have smaller breakout labs that are associated with that, so it also allows for that one on one hands on like let's make some stuff together and see what happens approach to teaching and learning so yeah I mean it's it's it's cool and it's different in that way.
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Raeanne Napoleon: or not different from the other sciences, but like different from from from perhaps other classes um What else do you want to know that.
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Hong Lieu: I would, I.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Am a street.
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Hong Lieu: I didn't realize that you actually did like budget and that side of it, too, I knew there was you know the supervisory aspects of it in the scheduling but, but having to do budget to that that's a lot.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I didn't know if it's necessarily budget and I don't know like what I know, like, for instance, Fine Arts right like if you're like a sculpture instructor or like painting, like, I think that there's more budgeting.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And like thinking about what to buy than there is for me i'm in chemistry and chemistry, we have a lab tech Tracy Reynolds she's like one of my favorite people on campus and like I.
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Raeanne Napoleon: The chemistry department runs because of Tracy like Tracy is the one that like buys chemicals and takes care of hazardous waste and like make sure we have enough beakers and like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Oh, this really expensive piece of equipment isn't working like I need to try and fix it so like I would argue that Tracy is more dialed in on the like the budget than I am um and then like you know department chairs have to do program review.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So that's part of like thinking about long term about your department like what do we want a need, do we need another lab tech, do we need to ask for.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know more equipment, do we need like what do we want our department to look like in five years, do we want another faculty position, we need to put in program reviews, so that you know administration thinks about this and plans for this for us.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So I think it's that aspect, not necessarily like I don't sit down like Oh, we spent $146 on speakers this time, you know, like i'm not in it like that.
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Hong Lieu: But you did touch on one thing that's very important as sounds like it's part of the duties is making sure that the folks that work with you and around you.
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Hong Lieu: Are kind of recognized for the things they do and give her an opportunity to do their job to their you know to their utmost to apply their.
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Hong Lieu: Their special skills, as it were, because you know in all jobs, you see those situations where.
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Hong Lieu: folks take all the credit for other people's work or you don't maybe not get along as great as you should buy it feels like you have to have that human connection.
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Hong Lieu: To have that synergy, to use a word that's been thrown around recently, you know, in order to to get things done, and you being you just shouting out Tracy on the show.
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Hong Lieu: says a lot in terms of some people be like Oh, you know my my lab techs and my they do a lot it's like no Tracy does a lot, you know this person does a lot, you know, like.
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Hong Lieu: To get up department to really have like that you really it those little shout outs are important and just recognizing people.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I don't know what we're going to do without Tracy if if if if she ever goes away like she's not allowed to stop her toe, thank God, she wears steel toed boots because.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah yeah no Tracy Tracy is the one that that lets us do our job and that's, the only thing yeah I mean thanks for saying that right like because I can also like say.
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Raeanne Napoleon: That like at the beginning of the Semester, I give Tracy like here's what we're doing and Kim one on Tracy like this week, this week, this week right like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And it's like pretty much the same schedule that I give my students and tracy's like Okay, we got five labs we got 140 students, I need this many for each lab like do I have this chemical.
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Raeanne Napoleon: i'm like that's all her and then like week, for I show up and i'm like oh i'm doing the gases lab this week and it's all out right like I.
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Raeanne Napoleon: don't even think about it, like come in the classroom one minute ahead of time because, like that's how much like Tracy makes it all happen right like I show up and i'm like okay guys let's go.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know, and the hazardous waste is there and the chemicals are over there and right because, like that's how she does it that's how she rolls yeah no Tracy Tracy is it.
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Hong Lieu: And those things do fluctuate a lot of someone who remembers his chemistry classes in college like I was the sloppy guy that was breaking pipettes and like you know dropping early my.
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Hong Lieu: purpose, but you know, I was sloppy I mean.
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Raeanne Napoleon: me to.
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Raeanne Napoleon: siri.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Teaching lab lab.
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Raeanne Napoleon: it's always a mass nothing ever goes right ah, I hate lab.
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Hong Lieu: But being on top of that stuff yeah shout out to treat that as someone who knows her only from you know, like campus climate Tom help comments and things of that sort.
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Hong Lieu: I appreciate her voice on campus I appreciate her mindset she she always brings faxed any conversation she's in so yeah shout out to Tracy rental.
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Akil Hill: bases right yeah yes.
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Hong Lieu: So yeah I mean.
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Hong Lieu: yeah and.
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Hong Lieu: So, on top of that spinning off of that, I mean you have your department duties which are sound like a decent amount of work and then you've taken on the role as President of academic senate for two terms now is your second term started, or is this still the first term.
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Akil Hill: was first.
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Hong Lieu: Okay.
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Akil Hill: The never ending term.
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Hong Lieu: And so, for folks that don't know like kind of the breakdown of the of how things are organized you know there's the Faculty association.
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Hong Lieu: And there's academic Senate and they are separate entities right there they're composed of you might have overlap of Members that are members of both I mean, yes, of course, but but yeah there is separate So if you could just break down that kind of connection a bit.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah so the Faculty association is our, that is, the working conditions, that is, the folks that work hard to get faculty you know you name it um class size consideration and and pay, and you know extra pay when when new jobs come up and benefits and i'm.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like literally working conditions right like I remember a couple years ago I had some safety concerns about stuff going on in lab it's like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I was CC and Cornelia on those emails to make sure that, like the safety aspect of faculty working was safe right.
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Raeanne Napoleon: um so yeah the Faculty association is our Union, our collective bargaining unit, and so they really are focused on faculty faculty concerns, whereas the academic Senate is.
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Raeanne Napoleon: The governance group of the Faculty we have there's this idea of 10 plus one, which is codified and in in Title five regulations.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Basically, effectively law that establishes the Faculty Senate, as the professional voice of faculty on campus and so in Title five there's language around like we are the body.
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Raeanne Napoleon: That you know recommends to the board of trustees any any professional matter, so I think about it as like the Union is faculty.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And the Senate is classroom and student focused almost you know, like what do we have to say about academic honesty, what do we have to say about scheduling what do we have to say about curriculum, what do we have to say about.
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Raeanne Napoleon: A million things right, like so many i'm like What else do I say what else is important to highlight um so yeah we're that professional voice of classroom had a God pedagogy teaching learning professional development curriculum development um.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah all of that.
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Akil Hill: And how many people are in are on the Senate.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So I believe there's 19 members Okay, and so those Members are so from the the any division on campus that has less than 20 full time faculty and you get one Senator so, for instance, like health and human services has one Senator dd Hawkins who is.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know, a favorite person of mine um what else math the math division has one Senator English one, Senator i'm.
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Raeanne Napoleon: esl in modern language one Senator and so on and so forth there's a couple divisions that are much larger so that anytime you have 26 full time faculty or over you have to division senators so, for instance, the sciences have to i'm trying to think who else might have to.
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Raeanne Napoleon: we've lost a couple divisions that have two senators over the last few years, because our faculty numbers are going down with you know which is.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know, appropriate with it somewhat with the downturn and of enrollment so i'm trying to think I know what health in her human services used out to, and now they have one so yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: that's the senators, we also of course it's super important to mention, there is a part time credit Senator on a Garcia another favorite person of mine she's also the academic senate Vice President, which is, I think, huge in terms of inclusion.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And not just you know, the fact that she's a Latina, but I would say, as as a part time faculty Member like it's.
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Raeanne Napoleon: it's pretty it's pretty remarkable to have an adjunct faculty Member in that role of leadership um so that's awesome and then of course we have attrition with Tom who represents.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Non credit part time faculty so we also have those voices on the Senate and then there's one more important voice on the Senate.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And depending on where the current president is in their presidency you either have.
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Raeanne Napoleon: The incoming President serve in this role, but right now, because you know i'm on your to have my first term.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I have we have what's called a past President so right now can be neufeld is serving in that role so he's also a voting Member and sits on the sun, and then we have.
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Raeanne Napoleon: ex officio roles we have the mvp that sits on the Senate and as well as senate steering.
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Raeanne Napoleon: We have a student as G REP that sits on the Senate and then also we have a faculty association liaison and then of course i'm.
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Raeanne Napoleon: A lot of senate similar to my department runs on the hard work of a staff member which, right now, we have Chris so Tara Garcia, who is another favorite campus person of mine and.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And so, she she she's the one that schedules does minutes, etc, so we only have her as part of her load.
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Raeanne Napoleon: of part of her assignments right now and i'm a little bit nervous because we're going to lose her when the new Dean has hired because that is why she's been in this like transitional role.
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Raeanne Napoleon: As an administrative assistant, so we got to figure out what we're going to do as a as a administrative assistant replacement for for immediate Cole who who took the survey, a few years ago and retired.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Because this there is just so much work to do on the Senate, in terms of administrative stuff and and then there's all the.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Politics and committee work, you know, like that's my area where like Christina helps me like like just this morning, she was you know she and I were emailing I needed her to.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Set up the stipends for all the summer meetings that we've been having and then like you know, send out that calendar invites for the school year and and all that other stuff so yeah.
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Hong Lieu: she's definitely on it at all times, I mean, as the two young kids she there, she has no choice but yeah she's able to maintain that consistency from family live to work like where she just on top of things and if there's a deadline or something she will let you know, like.
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Hong Lieu: yeah shout out.
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Hong Lieu: Christina Garcia oh.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah I am I, she just said to me this morning I said hey, can you please send out the calendar invite for the Wednesday before in service for our faculty retreat or faculty senate retreat and she goes.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Oh yeah and, by the way, at 1115 on that date I have you scheduled, you know for new faculty.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Thank you for telling me because, like yeah i'm not thinking about that yeah.
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Hong Lieu: So so for these conversations that happen on campus like we're you know we're returning to campus is something that people are talking about right now.
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Hong Lieu: Do the conversation split I mean is, it is, it is a natural split in terms of FA handles this and academic Center handles this, or does the things just kind of crisscross and you're.
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Hong Lieu: You have to talk to each other and kind of figure out what's what before you can kind of present this voice, you know in meetings and things of that sort.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah, so there is so I tried delineating these two bodies right like FA has their thing over here and we got our thing over here, but there is some great area overlap.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And that can cause, you know that's an area of unity and strength, but then it can also be an area of stress and strife and division because, like I said, we have different.
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Raeanne Napoleon: like things to worry about right the FA is is firm firmly in the ground of faculty working conditions and the senate's responsibility is students and classroom and sometimes those interests.
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Akil Hill: bleed into each other.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah right like you know, in terms of you know, whatever it is like pedagogy or academic quality or however you want to think about it right so so there can be some.
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Raeanne Napoleon: clashing and strafing so you know, I would like you know I don't want to get into the.
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Hong Lieu: No need no need to get it.
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Raeanne Napoleon: To where the sausage is right right I don't want to go there and I especially I don't want to go there because right now that.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Myself and Dr Cornelia Alzheimer working really great together in the Senate and the FA have been united in this conversation about like what we want.
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Raeanne Napoleon: For return to campus for the fall and and that really the return to campus is a.
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Raeanne Napoleon: pedagogy conversation and working conditions, you know so many faculty are worried about their health and safety or not even their own health and safety, but the health and safety of those in the classroom.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And then so many are also worried about like well wait a minute, you know, like is online the best for xyz class and how do we get us back, and we can get us back.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Hopefully, a constitution, update and our Constitution, the Senate constitution is so hard to change because you have to have the way the way our elders wrote it, you have to have 50% of the Faculty participate or excuse me majority of faculty participating in it that's hard.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So there's some necessary changes, and I would like to see the FA have a more formal role on our Senate and I will bring up one area of concern between yesterday and the Senate, most recently.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Previously, the only reason why the why they were FA REPS are Union REPS on our senate was because they happen to represent their area division so Cornelia was on the Senate, because she was the business division Senator and.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know the most recently Jordi Armstrong as a part time or was the part time Senator so they were on the FA and in the Senate, and so you know, while they were there, they could speak to FA things but.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And like I would go to these things you know I would hear things like Oh, the role of the Union should be this on your campus or we do it like this on this campus and it has its pros and cons and so.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And so we shouldn't be speaking to these other roles on campus right and so that was hard, because I was, I was trying to change things up and and I was trying to change them up not not for xyz you know, not for some silly reason but because it's like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: should have a voice on the Senate, but it which it should be solely for the Union right so anyways one of the changes I would like to see.
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Raeanne Napoleon: In our Constitution for this upcoming fall if it changes is a more formalized role of the Faculty Union like have a sitting Senator that represents the Faculty Union to speak to those issues on our senate so we'll see.
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Hong Lieu: It does make a lot of sense.
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Hong Lieu: You could see directly close issues and I have to mix it up with the departmental stuff to have that specific position or that does make a lot of sense.
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Hong Lieu: yeah so So yes, we are, we are grateful to have you and all of these roles we thank you for for all that you do for the campus and the community at large.
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Hong Lieu: we're going to segue over to what brought you here what brought you to SPC what was the path that led you to SPC was it a fortuitous you know coincidence, and then you brought here or resist like the way from the beginning.
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Raeanne Napoleon: No okay so yeah I feel like I have a good so coming to us bcc story.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know other you all and listeners will be the judge so here, I am a Grad student in Boston and in like i'm just crapped on Grad school like Grad school for me was like pulling teeth, like every day, especially like when I was younger and like smoke cigarettes like I would smoke.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Right like just like every day, I was ready to throw in the towel so like here I am Grad student in like my fifth year, I think.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And I was dating my husband at the time, who was also a Grad student and he gets invited to this conference and he's an engineer, so he gets invited to this conference, and he gives a talk and people from Raytheon and Santa Barbara were there.
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Raeanne Napoleon: and basically offered him a job on the spot and was like when are you graduating and he's like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: they're like can you graduate you know by December and he's like yes right and he's in his in his advisor was there and his advisor was like you will graduate he's like oh okay right.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So he comes back to Boston and we're like barely dating a couple of months, like like literally like three or four months at this time comes back to Boston and I had never been the Santa Barbara and he and he said, do you want to move to Santa Barbara with me and I go yes.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know, I was done with that whole scene and I always like I always had this thing, in my mind that when you know my next step in life after graduate school like, whether it be my job or a postdoc or something.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like turned all this stuff and, like all that stuff and then he started at Raytheon here in Santa Barbara in December.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So here I am back in Boston still we're still date in and i'm like planning to move out here and i'm trying to finish up my PhD just to be done, and so you know, basically, I come out here at Christmas and I email ucsb and I email sbc and I think I even emailed.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Not all three and trust me I was like I don't I don't think a Catholic college hear me but anyway.
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Raeanne Napoleon: um so yeah I emailed all them and, like, I was thinking like oh ucsb I can do, like a postdoc and I did not want to do a postdoc but I was like you know, like I also don't want to like be a.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like oh like maybe I can do part time stuff maybe they'll think i'm cool and then ultimately hire me for full time or I like work in a coffee shop or a bike shop, because I was just like totally cracked on academics like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: mean worst comes to worst la is not that far away slows not that far away like i'll get apartment there and Craig and I will see each other on the weekends right like I was just like i'll figure it out, so I emailed these different places and visited during Christmas time.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And I came to the campus and met Sally because only because she's like oh yeah you know it's between semesters I live in the area like i'll meet you and talk to you so um.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I showed up on campus and it was like nobody was around you know it's like right after Christmas time and she and I talked and she was like yeah so we get like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: she's like but just so you know and like she didn't know me from anyone right but she's like just so you know we get like 200 applicants and we get like the best of the best like everybody wants to work here and i'm like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And she she tells me applications open up in the spring, so key you know, like it's not open Now you can apply now like keep your eyes peeled it will open up.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I guess it is out there, you know or the spring semester right like so anyway, so I was like crap and I got all my my.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Recommendations letters together and stuff like that and I and in yeah and like and then I forgot to attach them so chantelle marquez was an acre at that point, and like I had to like email and beg for forgiveness like i'm so sorry like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: get this done get me out of here, I want to be in Santa Barbara or the west coast with Craig I want to be done with school right.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Well, here I am one it's a Monday one week before my PhD Defense where I like to spew all these fancy words and like do all this convince people that are the have this degree or whatever, a PhD defenses and so it's a Monday afternoon.
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Raeanne Napoleon: 730 at night when i'm working and i'm working in my in my in my office and I get this phone call.
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Raeanne Napoleon: hi Santa Barbara it's chantelle hi Santa Barbara city college we'd love to invite you, for an interview and i'm like awesome when she's like Friday i'm like this Friday she's like yeah Friday and i'm like can can I do like a telephone interview like well i'm like okay Okay, you know.
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Hong Lieu: Paper airplane ticket fly out, and this is the initial interview, this is not like second like cream of the next wave, this is the.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So i'm like crap so I I $800 plane ticket.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Yes, throw it on the credit card because, like this is the hail Mary right because, like if I get so I didn't talk about like what I wanted after graduate school I just kept telling you it's crap I set up my graduate school to be.
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Raeanne Napoleon: A liberal arts undergraduate chemistry teacher was like that is what I wanted like I wanted.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I wanted to do like freshman chemistry like that's what I wanted so um So this was my hail Mary right, this was our we're doing this let's go for it so plane ticket, thank God Craig lived here, thank God, he had what I call his sad bachelor apartment.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So I can't you know, luckily I can't yet I could stay with him like I didn't have to think about all of that he picked me up at the airport, you know I could drive his car that kind of thing, so I went for the interview.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Who knows, like what I said during this interview like clearly I said some good stuff but like looking back I like think like oh my God like now that i've been in, on the other side of interviews like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Probably one of the worst things i've ever done in my life I was super nervous me and my advisor weren't getting along at all like he didn't help me prepare for this at all, it was just whatever it was like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: It was probably great, but like like in the moment like it was like Am I am I going to get a PhD because I might not am I going to be the only one.
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Raeanne Napoleon: That doesn't like they got to this point, and like doesn't get a PhD right, I was just being like so neurotic about it.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So yeah so PhD Defense Craig was there, my family was there, my friends were there, like you know all these professors blah blah and I give my talk.
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Raeanne Napoleon: They make you stand out in the hallway where while they talk about you right they come back in you shake their hands congratulations, Dr right like whoo good so, then I go out to dinner with my family, and I was, I was a mess like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: kept saying like what's wrong with you like aren't you happy I should have said this, you know my advisor that about that, like it was just like it was not this joyous occasion.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know drill and yeah yes that's exactly what it was like it was just like yeah so I get done so.
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Raeanne Napoleon: after dinner saying goodbye to my family, I remember this we're standing in the parking lot given my older brothers hugs goodbye, you know Craig and I are like you know finishing up with my family.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And then my cell phone rings price for city college we'd like to invite you back for a second interview and i'm like great when Friday.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah it's Friday, with the superintendent Presidents last interview okay so Craig and I go back to my office same day I got my PhD go back to my office $800 plane ticket putting on the card.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So you know I come back the interview this time was with maryland's prevented jack freelander and I think yen's and Sally Zani right and I don't even remember like I don't even think jack had like set questions for me right, it was just like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And I remember I when I was sitting in the president's Office like in the outer area right, I remember I there was one other candidate that came out in front of me and and I like and I like saw her and like she saw me like we both knew what we were doing.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So we get done and jack's you know and it comes up like oh you defend it on Monday, or you know, are you finished now and i'm like so i'm finished, except for like the written parts of my PhD.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And I was like no actually i'm leaving for Tanzania on Monday and they're like Tanzania and I was like yeah I i'm.
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Raeanne Napoleon: going to Tanzania, what are you going to Tanzania, for, and I was like well i'm going to climb kilimanjaro and spend some time there and and and they were like when are you going, and I was like Monday.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I flew back to Boston had a couple of days there left for Tanzania for like I think I think I was there for four weeks.
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Raeanne Napoleon: When I went out to dinner with my friends, I don't even remember like how many days I was back or whatever, and I went I remember this, I was, I went out to dinner with friends and after dinner I got a phone call, and it was maryland's events.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And she was just like chatting me up and then all of a sudden, she was like I wanted to be the one to tell you that we're offering the job to you and I was like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I was like holy crap so.
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Hong Lieu: It all ended up ended up working out pretty well.
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Hong Lieu: yeah no like a plan any better, but it was there were a lot of kind of spur the moment decisions you make a lot of a lot of things you had to think about you know, like put yourself through the wringer to kind of run that run that gauntlet but you did it.
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Akil Hill: kind of reminds me every time I listen to the stories It reminds me of like being at a wedding you know I mean like the love is in the air, the newness the freshness.
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Akil Hill: I mean and and so that's the piece that you know, despite you know how things currently are or whatever you're dealing with on your job is like.
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Akil Hill: Sometimes it's good to lean back on that and be like you know what I did get this job I did have to go through it.
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Akil Hill: And it was fresh and new and sometimes if we can channel some of that into our current work situation I think it's it will be healthy for everyone's and mental State to do that, you know yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah i'll tell you this so my interview was in March and yeah yeahs Boston and March is is the ugliest of the ugly because you still have the snow but it's all melted down a little bit and has like like melted and re frozen like I don't know how many times it's all black right.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Mid 70s and I remember, they open the door for me and and I was like gosh it's beautiful out and Sally is Tony i'm young man, they all there's this collective.
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Hong Lieu: Thank you, thank you for that that it's a good story, I think I think it definitely definitely made me some work there, so as we, as we transition now to our next segment, which is a good eatin.
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Hong Lieu: I feel like you should kick us out ran because I heard, I heard one murmurs that you can talk about wings, so if we're really going down there and then yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Let me show you my tattoos should we talk pizza.
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Raeanne Napoleon: wings, or should Pickles me yeah.
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Hong Lieu: We hit all hit all three we hit all three.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So yeah I have, I have some pretty controversial things to say for West coasters about pizza so we'll get there in a minute.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So let's talk wings so first of all yeah I have a tattoo of a wing, why do I have a tattoo of a wing because i'm never gonna not like wings.
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Hong Lieu: Are you flat endpoint because I see that's just the flat tattoo on your do you like the point of the wing as well.
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Raeanne Napoleon: or Oh yes, yes, but this is, this is the one I prefer and that's how I knew like Craig was the one for me, because he likes the other ones.
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Hong Lieu: Oh perfect.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah yeah so yeah um um.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So I I grew up in Rochester New York, which is close to buffalo which is home of the buffalo wing, so I am from like where wings are defined right so i'm awfully small.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So yeah um and I, and I talked about chicken wings a lot in my class.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I you know I talked about I use them for examples, all the time, especially when i'm teaching students about like converting units.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And so, if you just throw the math and a unit conversion at people it's it's like oh yeah okay yeah or like you give them a silly example of like say you're building a brick road.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know that's like who builds a brick road, I mean clearly some people do right and, like some of my students might have.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Okay converting yards cubed of bricks two meters cubed for whatever you know it's.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Those are silly example, so I always try and say, like you, guys know how to unit convert already, and you can do it in your head.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like if I eat two dozen chicken wings, how many chicken wings, am I eating right and then and they're like oh 24 right it's like damn that's unit conversion that's what we're talking about so yeah I use chicken wings a lot as examples in my class and I also wax poetic about them and.
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Hong Lieu: So, are you a purist is it just the Franks red hot or do you, like all the other garlic Parmesan and all the others types of wings does it have to be like the straight up classic buffalo wing.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I am.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Both and I am a purist like don't call it a buffalo wing if it's not right and like and like chicken strips with with buffalo sauce on it that that those aren't buffalo wings.
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Akil Hill: Yes, preach preach preach.
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Hong Lieu: boldness weeds boneless wings or nuggets.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Right like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Oh that's something else right but but yeah I mean so one of my favorite wind places in town is wingman rodeo.
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Raeanne Napoleon: nah oh my God and like a lot of people kept telling me about it right and like I.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Again i'm a little snobby and it's like when people tell me about ring places i'm like yeah well we'll see we'll see.
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Hong Lieu: yeah they just opened their.
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Hong Lieu: standalone spot, so I haven't checked out their new spotting galena.
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Hong Lieu: But they were in the shop for so long that I could have yet right.
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Akil Hill: And there's still a pretty good.
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Akil Hill: yeah they're still there today, so they got two locations right.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah so yeah and I will say that, like I you know when I get together i'm really good friends with Ruth Morales Pam Gunther and like we get together every now and then it's like it's been our tradition to order when man rodeo and hang out and then they always.
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Raeanne Napoleon: They always order, like the weird flavors that aren't traditional.
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Akil Hill: yeah they have like a strawberry which is like they have a strawberry habanero when I think.
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Akil Hill: yeah i'm on their menu.
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Hong Lieu: They have a tie, a tie style one that's.
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Akil Hill: Pretty yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah my husband gets the Korean bbq.
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Akil Hill: shout out to the Koreans on their wings, though I love Korean wayne's.
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Hong Lieu: Better twice fried the twice.
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Akil Hill: twice.
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Akil Hill: i'll be my feelings when I eat some of those ideas was one spot in La and I took a bite of.
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Akil Hill: It was in the shopping Center.
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Hong Lieu: Oh yeah on a previous episode.
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Hong Lieu: yeah back in the show.
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Akil Hill: Oh, my gosh man I I almost cried dude I was like ah, this is what we supposed to taste like.
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Hong Lieu: And I i've been so many things i've gotten really good at like like stripping them clean like I like a cartoon like I could put a bow mouth slide it out and he.
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Hong Lieu: popped the cartilage off the top like if I leave no stone unturned like i'm going all the way, if you find well enough i'll invite some of the boat off to to to to tell myself i'm getting nutrients that way so.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And I gotta let you know I have, I have three kids and it's like when my babies get to a certain point where I can put a wing in their hand and they like non and i'm like.
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Akil Hill: A rite of passage it's a rite of passage for them.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah.
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Hong Lieu: yeah i've always thought of like wings, I always thought it like that conversation for me as proof of capitalism doesn't work, but you have thighs you have wings your legs and what and what dominates.
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Hong Lieu: The financial conversation the breast the chicken breast is so boring and there's nothing to it, the wing and the time the leg, I mean if you're going on on on value and flavor and.
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Hong Lieu: there's no reason why you're not selling 10 times as many as much dark meat, as the breast but the breast is like 20 times, where they're genetically.
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Raeanne Napoleon: modifying.
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Hong Lieu: Listen that to make more yeah i'm like man capitalist doesn't work when the wing and the director like live like second 30 lives.
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Hong Lieu: While the breast is up there, like.
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Hong Lieu: flouting itself as the cut of chicken like who eats who eats bread for fun.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, and we try to pretend like everyone's out here like living healthy lives like no I know i've the obesity numbers in this country, why is the breath the number one sold me and I yeah.
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Hong Lieu: I love wings I left, I will legs live at all, but.
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Hong Lieu: And even a breast if it's well marinated and or double fried and the kiehl's you know Corinne wink style i'll do it that way, too, but you just give me a chicken breast like real like that yeah.
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Hong Lieu: there's there's no amount of lemon or whatever you can brush on there to make it taste good so.
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Hong Lieu: All right, let's do that let's do that pizza hot take if you got it.
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Raeanne Napoleon: um Okay, so I don't know that i've found pizza.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Here in Santa Barbara that I can that I can wax on about I get in constant fights with my friends about what what.
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Raeanne Napoleon: What what what pizza should have on it and.
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Raeanne Napoleon: eat.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You like that yeah and one of them, that you know my friends always pick on me about his.
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Raeanne Napoleon: pizza.
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Akil Hill: you're on that.
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Hong Lieu: No, no, no, no.
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Akil Hill: that's not yeah that's the salad.
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Hong Lieu: it's too it's too powerful you can put other Greens on there too, if you want.
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Hong Lieu: You wanted to do that, like California foo foo style of rules, just so bitter it.
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Hong Lieu: dominates the conversation.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Okay.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like that shouldn't be in California through through you eat your panini.
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Raeanne Napoleon: on that.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You drink your cold pressed.
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Hong Lieu: juice like CP CP case is its own thing.
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Raeanne Napoleon: don't do it that.
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Hong Lieu: way so who's fighting with you, that is a central pizza topping, though, that, let me.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Oh, my God.
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Hong Lieu: A lot of people.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I need.
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Hong Lieu: You don't need no, no, no.
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Hong Lieu: that's not dragging me else into this pizza slander.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Okay, this librarian shall not be named.
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Akil Hill: Oh yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: rhymes with Ellen.
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Raeanne Napoleon: The East coast.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Ray spent formative years there tells me that Aruba logos on pizza.
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Hong Lieu: know.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Where are you from Ellen.
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Hong Lieu: Ellen Ellen C or D carrie will go with go with pseudonyms.
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Hong Lieu: yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Tell me like like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: My friends, know this is like a like a thing that raises my blood pressure right so they'll like tell me about about what they're eating on their pizzas like like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Re eating a vegan pizza right.
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Akil Hill: No.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah just just because they want to hear my my my my rants about how know that they shouldn't be doing, you know so.
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Hong Lieu: So your Platonic ideal of pizza is the thin crust but what you know what toppings you got on there.
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Hong Lieu: or what's your limit like pineapples no i'm guessing.
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Raeanne Napoleon: No, I actually don't mind appointment I don't.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah uh yeah I mean you know if it, you know it's.
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Hong Lieu: Just standard standard like like bar top pizza kind of thing yeah you're not going.
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Raeanne Napoleon: pepperoni every time i'm if i'm like ordering it.
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Raeanne Napoleon: If i'm ordering it, you know i'm all you know i'll do like a bunch of like veggies and me, you know, like pepperoni thrown in there peppers onions, I like banana peppers on there um yeah just.
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Hong Lieu: Okay, so yeah so it's not like you're like totally against you know anything that's not like pepperoni sausage etc it's just a you just want like yeah okay that's not a that's not a super I take i'm sure, a lot of folks would share that since.
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Raeanne Napoleon: it's the Californians like all things like like took it and we're like we're gonna make this our own thing.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah and it's like it's like I just want you know I just have yoga and i'd like pizza and.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You should be like kind of drunk late at night, and like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: be like you know it really sounds good right now is pizza right and like you should either like go it and stand in line at the pizza shop and like by a slice.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yo hey are you should be like ordering it, so it should not be this like pseudo healthy thing yeah.
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Akil Hill: yep yep so what i'm listening and when it makes me think of is how California it's like to ginger five pizza and their foods.
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Akil Hill: that's that's what's really going on with the.
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Akil Hill: Situation it's ginger five we can go ahead and say it on this show.
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Akil Hill: We need to knock that mess off.
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Akil Hill: Like it's a pizza pizza not anything.
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Akil Hill: else other than what we all know, should be on a pizza a little gorilla that that's man don't even get me started.
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Hong Lieu: And you know cuz cuz people are putting a ruler burgers to you and that to me like.
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Hong Lieu: Certain Greens, you can put in there, like, if you want to suffer, let us from nutritional value, a rule is just such a powerful flavor component like I I use it sparingly and anything I do use it in.
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Hong Lieu: Because it's very bitter you know, like, I mean sure, maybe it's good for you, maybe it's this and that but it just dominate the conversation anything you put it in like when it's in the burger I taste, mostly that in the burger so it's like yeah.
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Akil Hill: But if you eat a burger for nutritional value, like that.
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Hong Lieu: that's my whole point.
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Akil Hill: is like don't get it twisted stay in your lane.
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Akil Hill: If you're gonna eat a burger burger if you want something like for like healthy and all that then just eat healthy right don't.
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Hong Lieu: get a salad yeah.
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Akil Hill: don't like you know I mean like I don't know.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And when I feel like this is why you and I get along so well.
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Akil Hill: yeah absolutely absolutely a real quick shout out to have you guys tried to wings from.
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Akil Hill: Shanghai whoops there's a they have a it's.
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Akil Hill: Like a coder I think it's called the coldest street wings it's a like a goal he'll.
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Akil Hill: kind of chili sauce.
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Hong Lieu: it's pretty good.
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Hong Lieu: Is what's right yes from.
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Akil Hill: shot hoops yeah you gotta give it a shot.
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Hong Lieu: i'll put them in the show notes for sure.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I definitely go I definitely go there for their tried to so i'll check that out next time.
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Akil Hill: yeah it's worth it's worth trying it's a little strong but I liked it I liked the flavor.
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Hong Lieu: So so akil I have a question for you should we should we volunteer our food takes as well as should we just do.
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Hong Lieu: Should we do re enter third now this, because this is we're just taking rest rest because we're good I know our culture conversation is going to be extended this episode so she.
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Hong Lieu: ran has has the one with the pickle tattoo I want to talk about Pickles as well just cover those bases and move.
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Akil Hill: yeah.
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Hong Lieu: This is good okay yeah so we can talk, talk Pickles real quick.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah I mean I don't know that i'm a pickle snob actually i'm not.
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Hong Lieu: US love Pickles right I think everyone knows Pickles.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Pickles I like pickle juice like I say use it, you know I have random empty jars of pickle juice in my fridge because it's like like to drink it, you know.
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Hong Lieu: or yeah.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I mean we've we've we've learned a lot about fermentation over the year you know fermentation and pickling and stuff and also we've learned how you know Pickles are part of world cultures around the globe, you know Japanese Pickles Chinese Pickles.
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Hong Lieu: version Persian Pickles yeah man it's American pickle so so it's just like a universal component and they're really good for you they're there.
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Hong Lieu: They store well you know they keep well so in terms of for accessibility purposes, like yeah wanted to give a quick shout out to Pickles take a.
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Akil Hill: side note real quick what pickle juice, you know if you marinate your your chicken and pickle juice heard i've never done it, but I heard is really good.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I am going to try this.
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Akil Hill: yeah that's why.
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Hong Lieu: it's just a flavor is it just a flavor component was like.
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Hong Lieu: tinder rising it too.
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Hong Lieu: I think it's tinder rising because, like Bryan because Bryan because Bryan.
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Akil Hill: yeah.
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Akil Hill: So they're used chicken we meets Pickles.
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Hong Lieu: Synergy.
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Raeanne Napoleon: fried Pickles.
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Hong Lieu: Yes.
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Akil Hill: Oh yeah yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And it's mind blowing right.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah I had them served during cocktail hour at mine and Craig sweating because, like.
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Hong Lieu: When you.
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Hong Lieu: When you fry pick are you doing the fried spears or you know fried slices either or.
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Raeanne Napoleon: All of it.
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Raeanne Napoleon: No wedding there was the chips.
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Akil Hill: yeah dude i'm a tip I.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I i'm mostly the chip one but, like, I do not, you know I do not discriminate if there are fried Pickles on a menu, I am worried.
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Akil Hill: yeah and.
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Hong Lieu: I like a little bit of spice and I will say that you know the pickle room, you know, three Pickles Pickles room, they have a spicy pickle that be Brian and habanero oh.
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Hong Lieu: Yes, oh good.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Yes.
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Hong Lieu: I oh good.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I was gonna bring that up the ones like my husband does not like Pickles and, and so my pickle obsession in general drive some bananas.
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Raeanne Napoleon: The one that really gets him where it's like not like cutesy like oh you're so quirky ran but I love you discussed it's like authentic discuss you like you see him and gas stations.
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Hong Lieu: The giant pickle the bag.
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Raeanne Napoleon: In there, though they're so good, like.
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there.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And every time I see him i'm like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: right because it's going to buy it and i'm excited that they have it, and every time my husband is like this is the line and.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like again and again and again so.
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Akil Hill: And hey listen if you can eat store gas station jerky you can either pick on the back you don't have any.
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Akil Hill: My you know another I was thinking about another pickle that's really good is like the flaming Dave spicy Pickles those are good I so have you tried those Hong at all really good, I know I ran shaking her head, so I know she's gotten to those.
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Hong Lieu: Where where where.
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Akil Hill: You can get them and I actually can stop you can get some of them like a like moms are.
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Akil Hill: But.
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Akil Hill: I usually go to window, since you know I live in car, so I just drive down a bitter real quick that's where I usually get it, but yeah.
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Akil Hill: they're like famous daves they have to they have like.
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Akil Hill: One like devil is hot, and then they have like a regular spicy one next time i'm done there i'll pick some up for you.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I love I do love spicy Pickles yeah.
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Akil Hill: yeah yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Santa Barbara pickling company has a decent spicy pickle if I remember correctly, to.
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Hong Lieu: Okay, I, like some of their olives and stuff so i'll definitely check out.
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Hong Lieu: yeah yeah excellent yeah well, thank you, thank you for that, thank you for that comprehensive deep dive that was.
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Hong Lieu: Good he covered all three basis.
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Hong Lieu: So before we before we get fully getting a higher learning and in our conversation for this episode, I want to give a quick shout out to Paul grant who provides.
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Hong Lieu: Our opening theme, music and our interstitial theme music shop to Paul Graham local musician Thank you much thank you very much for the beats.
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Akil Hill: Yes, thanks.
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Hong Lieu: And for this summer higher learning because rihanna is our special guest we're going to talk hip hop and and so so.
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Hong Lieu: We, this is the topic we talked about a little bit before we don't usually discuss a lot of stuff before we record the shows, because we like to you know the free flowing conversation.
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Hong Lieu: Well, but akil broach that topic so we talked about you know top top mcs and original the top five and and and you know we decided impossible to do top five so we just go, you know.
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Hong Lieu: let's just talk just talk shop and see we'll see what we come up with a range, if you want to kick it off, like, I guess, we can start start with how has hip hop touch touch your life and then then break down some some voices in that in the game that really kind of move you over the years.
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah um, so I think you know I think it's important to tell you how hip hop was introduced to me.
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Hong Lieu: mm hmm.
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Raeanne Napoleon: um especially like as a as a white woman right like how how did, how is this how How did this come to be so, when I was in second grade is when i'm.
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Raeanne Napoleon: MC hammer and vanilla ice like had their big hits right and I don't remember why like I don't remember asking for it we're wanting them are like Maybe my parents, just like noticed it was like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know, like what what was popular at the time but somehow my parents bought me the cassette tape of each.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So I had like you can't touch this MC hammer tape right cassette tape and I had been ice ice ice baby and I remember going in the second grade.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And if you got to school early, or if your parents pick you up late, you could like you know hang out in the classroom and I remember, I had these cassette tapes and like I would play them.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like that was like my thing and, like all the other goods like thought it was amazing because, like they didn't have these songs on their team right, and so it was just like this thing.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So I think that's like my earliest recollection of like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: My love of hip hop right and and to tell you the truth, like I probably had other cassette tapes but, like those are the ones I remember those are the ones I remember like here, these are mine i'm taking these to school, I want to listen to them.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And then you know MTV was a thing in the 80s actually played music music videos This is something I have to explain to my students, because I taught.
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Hong Lieu: Oh.
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Hong Lieu: it's true it's true yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Well, like reality TV shows, but like back in the day it was like groundbreaking right like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: No, it was were like this important thing, and like.
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Hong Lieu: And not just popular music because they had they would do the countdown like top 10 top 20, but when the countdown wasn't on they would play all kinds of stuff like.
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Hong Lieu: different kinds of music videos.
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Raeanne Napoleon: All kinds of stuff yeah totally so like I remember yeah I have to explain the students um and I Oh, the one the one music video that I explained to my students is um.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Oh what's her name.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Not downtown Julie brown um.
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Hong Lieu: Can I be.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Well, not that not the.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And um no um she was like late like people only know her now from.
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Like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Why does Why am I forgetting everything anyway she's saying two steps forward two steps back.
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Hong Lieu: Abdul yeah Paul I do.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I always talk about Paula Abdul my class because I tell my students so much of chemistry can be explained with opposites attract so I.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And I tell them about how important that music video was because she was dancing with a cartoon cat.
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Hong Lieu: mcs cat cat.
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Hong Lieu: Cat cat and.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Unlike unlike students nowadays like you know the the the traditional age students, that we have in our classrooms like they grew up with like pixar and like you know, an Avatar and these like amazing amazing see it see cgi.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Things like they don't know how groundbreaking it was for Paula Abdul to like dance back and forth with mcs get cat right, so that, in addition to chemistry I sprinkle in things like this for my.
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students.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So I remember you know MTV and um.
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Raeanne Napoleon: There was a Sean puffy combs music video with him and biggie and I can't remember the song right now the top of my head.
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Raeanne Napoleon: But basically, like they're driving boats and fast cars and I just remember like Oh, I like this song right and then i'm so then i'm notorious Scott big maybe got big and bigger and bigger and then ready to die came out.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And and somehow I ended up with the CD So this was like what like 9790 690-697-9697 what.
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Hong Lieu: Actually, No nine or 9495.
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Hong Lieu: Was rated but yeah life after death was 9697 because you pass in 96.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Right.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Right yeah so you know, like I knew of him or like saw him on like MTV you know and like saw some other you know MC Oh, I remember snoop dogg's video where he he turned into the dog.
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Hong Lieu: No yeah the what's my name video but.
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Hong Lieu: I was like that was like the same as terminator to the T 1000 to just come out so they did that same morphing thing.
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Raeanne Napoleon: my mind i'm.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like you're saying like I didn't see the terminator movie but it's like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: This on like his music.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Video i'm like oh my God this guy is a genius right so yeah ready to die came out and I somehow ended up with the CD.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And it was like track after track after like I listened to it like start to finish, and I and i'd never really done that, with a CD before like or or a cassette tape.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know, it was always like I would buy them and it's like Oh, I heard this hit song on the radio and I would like listen to that and I would like, try and find others, but it was like whenever I heard music, it was just like that one song right.
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Raeanne Napoleon: But with his it was like oh it's just like this thing.
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Raeanne Napoleon: This whole like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know concepts right and, like the songs had stories and like it was about struggle and it was about you know, like you know my teacher doesn't think shit about me and you know um and now i'm rich and like I could you know by my mom and acura and like there is just like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: That that that daily struggle of like people holding you down.
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Raeanne Napoleon: spoke to me and and and maybe the question is why and and I think it's because.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know I think people see me now as somebody with a PhD and somebody who went to graduate school and so like i'm like it's like you know I don't know.
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Raeanne Napoleon: What you know that that class this idea of like upper Echelon right.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And usually you know I mean I think it's fair to say, usually people with MDS jds doctorates right like because you're it's because, like somebody in your family had that right, and like you come from like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know everybody's somebody and so like well the gets well, that is my story at all i'm the youngest of five my family is like super blue collar.
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Raeanne Napoleon: All my brothers are like diesel mechanics and truck drivers my dad was a truck driver he dropped out of school in the seventh grade.
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Raeanne Napoleon: My mom you know got pregnant at 16 she dropped out of school has a ged right so like growing up, I was blue collar we live paycheck to paycheck um I I come from a place that you know the median income medium for a family is at or below poverty level right so like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: When I was in high school, this is this is like what I always tell people as the net analogy like when I was at are not analogy, like my viewpoint of the world, growing out, and I was in high school.
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Raeanne Napoleon: The rich kids I went to school with.
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Raeanne Napoleon: their parents were teachers.
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Raeanne Napoleon: that's what I think of this rich kids right so like when I heard like biggie talking about.
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Raeanne Napoleon: The struggle, the everyday struggle, or like people don't think your shit and like people don't take you seriously and.
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Raeanne Napoleon: That made a lot of sense to me like that was like what I was hearing and that's what resonated with me and so then yeah I mean once I was like listening to biggie you know it was like it open the door to.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know everything else Wu Tang.
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Raeanne Napoleon: outcasts you know dread a snoop dogg like all of it my babies awake so i'm going to grab her so.
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Hong Lieu: yeah you can do a top five just a Wu Tang and you have tough I see so yeah.
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Akil Hill: yeah that's true.
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Hong Lieu: So, in terms of breaking down to five is yeah I mean that that really kind of speaks to me what Ray was talking about, because I, I feel very similar to a lot of ways in terms of like.
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Hong Lieu: Like you know, like the people that are rich to me were restaurant owners, you know because, like all the all the friends that I had who were rich their parents own restaurants Now I know the life of a restaurant owners like that's not rich but, but it was like way more than.
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Hong Lieu: It was way more than what I had so yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Right, like the rich kids I went to school that their parents were teachers like there when we all turned 16 like their parents bought them a car.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And like that was the thing we're like the rest of us like had a part time job and like maybe bought a car right, you know so like and it wasn't like it was like a car.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And four wheels.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So yeah no yeah Wu Tang we could talk about the top five right there right.
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Hong Lieu: yeah this.
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Hong Lieu: yeah do you have a favorite Wu Tang MC.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So, first of all like.
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Hong Lieu: To pick one you have to pick one or two or three.
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Raeanne Napoleon: There is there is amazing yes.
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Raeanne Napoleon: i'm.
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Raeanne Napoleon: method man.
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Hong Lieu: that's right yeah cuz I was gonna say raid ghost but then like math resist production Donna Donna comes correct, you know it's good and expect a deck.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I think I think like if you were to ask other people like yeah like ghost face is one that you hear a lot, but like yeah there is a had like there is his greatest hits.
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Hong Lieu: and
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Raeanne Napoleon: I played the heck out of that CD in my car 16 oh i'm forgetting one one important part of getting into hip hop it wasn't just biggie.
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Raeanne Napoleon: i'm I remember, I had I had to really, really, really good friends, when I was growing up megan and Leslie and.
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Raeanne Napoleon: The summer that foodies the score.
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Hong Lieu: Oh yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: It was like that summer when you're like starting to get some like teenage for me it was like teenage independent like it was like that summer that I spent like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Every every night like sleeping at one of their houses or like they were at my house right, it was just like that summer of like teenage.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like breaking away from your parents, you know, like you're you know you're not 16 yet you're not 18 yet, but like you're not a little kid anymore, and like you just kind of finding yourself and.
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Raeanne Napoleon: you're bumming around your hometown like maybe you like you know smoke cigarettes, for the first time, or you.
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Raeanne Napoleon: know we, the first time I drank a 40 for the first time right, it was like that summer and it was the summer that food use the score came out.
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Raeanne Napoleon: We like I mean this, this is probably an exaggeration, but like my memory is that we would just hit like we would wake up and like be eating breakfast hit play and like it, it would go and, at the end, we would just hit play again, like every time.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Because I need that CD over and over and over again, like the entire summer, you know so that was another like big like intro for me, or like were really started was like lauryn hill why clef like pause like these guys are lauren lauren especially um.
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Raeanne Napoleon: There is this lyric.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Turning de niro into de niro.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Talking about like being like a woman.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like doing her thing like money's not masculine and feminine like the first time I ever heard that and like I knew very little about the Spanish language but I knew about like gender in Spanish language I was like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: This woman is amazing like like like lauryn hill was like oh my God, I want to be lauryn Hill and I, you know I want to have a man, I want to like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Your power like that you know.
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Hong Lieu: yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: That was definitely like food use the score to yeah yeah that that's.
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Hong Lieu: that's a really good breakdown and then you can you covered most most of your favorite mcs I could just hear the telling of the story, so I don't need we don't need you to do a countdown or a breakdown or anything like that, but you know if there's.
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Raeanne Napoleon: So many more.
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Hong Lieu: yeah yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And that's I feel like that's how you kind of break it down because hip hop is so kind of.
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Hong Lieu: The you have arrows now, and so you have like the the old the old school era, like you know a lot of folks don't get a lot of shine there but guys like slick rick you know big Daddy kane.
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Hong Lieu: You know rakim like they don't get a lot of shine in terms of if if you have a top yeah charisse one cares one is the person who taught me because.
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Hong Lieu: You know, like listening to rap early on, like you said wrap this up you do hip hop is what you live, so I knew about rap like I listened to rap and I was the first time very rapid sounds like for.
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Hong Lieu: Some put two live crew my headphones to try to get me like a laugh, and it was funny songs are funny you know, like an MC hammer so like that that was good wrapped up into two.
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Hong Lieu: But in terms of translating to hip hop and then getting into the actual culture of hip hop like you know emceeing B boying breakdancing DJ graffiti fashion, you know all that stuff like the way married together, no.
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Raeanne Napoleon: culture.
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Hong Lieu: I didn't really get tilt here as one yeah I didn't get that till cares.
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Hong Lieu: But so you have like the old time where you have that golden is that 90s like native tongues golden era that we talked about you have this newer era, you have that nowadays it's like the email rap and stuff like that, like the drill and all that so.
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Hong Lieu: No yeah see so it's.
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Raeanne Napoleon: I gotta tell you outcasts came out with speaker box and the love below and I it's like that, like I don't know what happens when you get older like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: seems like there's like a point at music that just stops for you and then you're like i'm good right like generation, it was like you know it's like they stopped it led Zeppelin.
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Hong Lieu: yeah yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: My stop was outcasts the level below and.
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Hong Lieu: All there's a culture to culture, changes to because so many records come out so like I still try to keep up to date, but literally I can't go back like before I could I could go back like.
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Hong Lieu: Oh, I could trace the lineages like Oh, I need learned about southern hip hop okay that's good.
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Hong Lieu: that's good you know ghetto boys zero you know all little flip all the stuff but now.
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Hong Lieu: If you just try to keep up with new releases there's no room to go back because there's like six or seven albums coming out every week, they are supposed to be trying to like stay up with, and so to go back it's much more difficult, so I can definitely see that.
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Akil Hill: Well, also too, I mean I think music ties you to a specific time in place and location and so when you're new any become older.
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Akil Hill: All the songs in the jams, as you hit or you listen to that were hits when you're growing up it transports you to those places.
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01:15:10.740 --> 01:15:16.020
Akil Hill: And then, once you start getting older, your like your life shifts and things happens no one's thinking like yo man.
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Akil Hill: When I was 30 this song came out, it was always like yo when I was 15 when I was 16 because those those that age are so impressionable you know i'm i'm still thinking about like when DJ jazzy Jeff and fresh Prince drop that summertime.
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Akil Hill: jam everyone if you're into hip hop and listen to that everyone knows where they're at when that song came out and what and what you were doing.
615
01:15:39.930 --> 01:15:41.940
Akil Hill: The same thing, like you said about the food Jesus.
616
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Akil Hill: The significance of the album is when that album dropped, everyone knows what they were at what they were doing in that period of time.
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Hong Lieu: That was the summer of foodies man, I remember that record to you and, just like it was it was like you play all the time I had the either foodie when they're the foodies translated crew blended on reality that first tape.
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Hong Lieu: And they were more like they're more like a hip hop hip hop like.
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Hong Lieu: Fast wrapping this and that the score just like really was like this, this moment where like they they even slow down their to their reach so you could hear what they were saying better and then.
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Hong Lieu: I mean just the beat selection all the singles were just hot, I mean that album is a classic front to back, but they dropped singles in such a way, where you had the you know you had.
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Hong Lieu: Killing me softly first to get you know kind of a pop thing, where everyone loved that song, then you had ready or not, which was like a hip hop hip hop track.
622
01:16:25.740 --> 01:16:33.630
Hong Lieu: yeah he was adobe and just like just bringing bringing flows, you know, like so ready or not, it was a great transition, and then we had the solo stuff we had lauryn Hill and even.
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Hong Lieu: Even why clef had some hits on his record process ghetto superstar with Maya, which was a big big track so so yeah so just terms of how that rolled out you just like now that was that was definitely a moment in the Culture for sure.
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Raeanne Napoleon: No superstars definitely one of the tracks.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like freshman year yeah like that summer yeah yeah cuz.
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Hong Lieu: cuz yeah same thing, where I listened a.
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01:16:56.070 --> 01:17:02.400
Hong Lieu: lot of hip hop grown up like you know, like two live crew snoop and dre were just I was in La so I mean I remember being on a bus and sixth sixth grade.
628
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Hong Lieu: Someone gave me the headphones like check this out and it was like ain't no fun off a doggy style and like you know, because you had to listen on the headphones because.
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Hong Lieu: there's no way anyone any teacher lenny listen to that around so it's like so it felt like a secret society to you know, so there was that aspect of it so even when, and then, when I started to get into punk.
630
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Hong Lieu: I came back to hip hop after punk and it was like end of high school and going into college and that's when I really got and actually hip hop as a culture.
631
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Hong Lieu: And that's really when like kind of the idea of emceeing where they opened up because, for me, there was a lot of it was.
632
01:17:31.440 --> 01:17:35.910
Hong Lieu: You know, growing up, it was almost synonymous with pop music like you say pop and wrap it was like the top 40.
633
01:17:36.240 --> 01:17:40.080
Hong Lieu: So, to get into the underground stuff as I got older and that's that's really what kind of opened up.
634
01:17:40.440 --> 01:17:44.970
Hong Lieu: my eyes to kind of the Culture aspect of it, and then, when I started going like B boy ciphers like before jams.
635
01:17:45.240 --> 01:17:52.170
Hong Lieu: Where you know they were just breaking and learning that's where I learned about breaks and beads so it was like this, like branching Sri you know, so I I liked.
636
01:17:52.410 --> 01:18:00.150
Hong Lieu: I liked how you tell that story, because you started with your initial kind of hit the seed MC hammer and this and that, but the way that the way the treat is branches, you know, like it.
637
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Hong Lieu: is beautiful, you know, like and then and and the themes always speak to you because it's.
638
01:18:05.160 --> 01:18:11.790
Hong Lieu: it's music of the people you know, like it's the music of struggles and music or just what day to day life is like for folks and there's you know there's the folks who look.
639
01:18:12.090 --> 01:18:16.980
Hong Lieu: kind of take it from outside and and and and take that and molded to their own existence, you know, like.
640
01:18:17.220 --> 01:18:22.980
Hong Lieu: Like all suburban kids in the Midwest listen m&m that took that and then boosted that and now it's and you know that that that really.
641
01:18:23.340 --> 01:18:25.380
Hong Lieu: I mean boost the commercial aspect of rap immensely.
642
01:18:25.830 --> 01:18:34.830
Hong Lieu: But in you know, in terms of like he was not speaking to what they were doing but they took those words in those themes and molded their life because there is universal idea so like it's like hearing.
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Hong Lieu: Hearing you kind of take that same kind of kind of route was like that's that's what it is, you know, like it's these are these are universal ideas, this is a universal struggle, so we have to respect that and knowledge it and, like that's how we, you know we follow it up the culture.
644
01:18:47.850 --> 01:18:48.570
yeah so.
645
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Hong Lieu: Alright, so let me let's let's break down let's see I got i'll name a couple mcs to I mean just just just to be there, I mean big big big folks my life, of course, you know, like.
646
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Hong Lieu: big impact like I said get America America status biggie Poc and I would put big L and other any other folks who like you know just unfortunate unfortunate victims of just nonsense, the nonsense that accompanies this kind of you know, the street music.
647
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Hong Lieu: I always love you know i'll come with you, without cast know Andre 3000 and big boy people always want to separate the two who's better than this, and that they're a duo you know EP md is a dual Eric.
648
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Hong Lieu: Eric and parish are making dollars, not just one or the other, so I can't I gotta wrap Andre and big boy, so I love both Members of outcasts I love you know most def until the quality akil you know you play the plane out of the car, the other day black star is a big.
649
01:19:33.630 --> 01:19:35.490
Hong Lieu: I will that record out I.
650
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Hong Lieu: most definitely quality in terms of their i'll put together and their solo careers, I mean, and just as legit like mcs I mean I put them in the top common common you know, common sense.
651
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Hong Lieu: For Chicago he's kind of you know, a big a big in terms of his family tree with no idea to the production has records no idea when they've kind of broke kanye and helped help can usher all that stuff in.
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Hong Lieu: tribe called quest I was bigger than native tongues you know native tongues answer so query and after that, in terms of erykah badu quest love its roots, I mean I guess i'm just naming everything I mean it's just like.
653
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Hong Lieu: But I guess.
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Akil Hill: I, but I think i'm it's it's worth noting that what you're naming is the golden era, so I mean, I guess, like you know, for me, like i'm i'm cut from the same cloth is that that golden era of hip hop.
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Akil Hill: On ever I feel will never be can ever be replicated you know to mean just everyone coming in different from different spots and like you had Chicago with common like you're saying that you had the east coast with like Wu Tang and.
656
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Akil Hill: Then you had down South in the 90s with outcast and like different spots in different styles and rabbi during that whole period of time is is man I think we'll ever seen anything like that.
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Hong Lieu: And I will I will give a quick shout out to the Midwest in the late 90s and rhyme stairs entertainment out of minneapolis Minnesota hip hop one of my favorite mcs of all time same his idea.
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Hong Lieu: He passed away in 19 80% of that he's one of he's one of my favorite mcs and legit one of the he came up in the battle scene, so you the battle rapper.
659
01:21:03.420 --> 01:21:11.070
Hong Lieu: So he definitely had you know, respect for lyricism and and he was kind of like a lot of philosophical ideas and some of his work, so I just want to favorites you know atmosphere.
660
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Hong Lieu: atmosphere is its kind of blown up you know slug is doing a lot of things and then there's a lot of collectives out there, like dude tree, and you know you know there's a lot of.
661
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:23.460
Hong Lieu: lot of good stuff come out of like the Midwest that minneapolis scene in terms of like we talked about m&m blew up kind of.
662
01:21:23.820 --> 01:21:27.870
Hong Lieu: kind of wrapping the in the suburbs and stuff like that I feel like the minneapolis he kind of.
663
01:21:28.230 --> 01:21:35.670
Hong Lieu: was able to capitalize on that and kind of get that kind of underground sentiment into folks eyes, because because underground is important for hip hop like that, like you, don't you don't.
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Hong Lieu: Like the people always talk about the industry, how how corrupt and terrible it is.
665
01:21:39.630 --> 01:21:43.830
Hong Lieu: There is still an underground component hip hop or you can still put on shows you can still be involved in the culture.
666
01:21:44.070 --> 01:21:51.450
Hong Lieu: Without having a totally just like turn yourself inside out and sell your soul to to corporate record interest you know so there's just like punk has that DIY music, you know path.
667
01:21:51.720 --> 01:22:02.100
Hong Lieu: hip hop has it too and and that's what something where the minneapolis stuff was really kind of good and kind of fight for that, because you know West Coast and east coast, also have their underground labels, you know you Hieroglyphics Jurassic five live on.
668
01:22:02.670 --> 01:22:08.940
Hong Lieu: The West Coast and east coast has has you know ugly duckling and there's all these kind of cruise and stuff like yeah so.
669
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Raeanne Napoleon: There is a DIY aspect but.
670
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:18.420
Raeanne Napoleon: I need to somebody from the east coast, so I need a public service announcement for us.
671
01:22:20.340 --> 01:22:22.860
Raeanne Napoleon: Well, if you've never been to New York or philly.
672
01:22:24.210 --> 01:22:27.690
Raeanne Napoleon: You know baltimore you probably see this in DC.
673
01:22:28.740 --> 01:22:31.410
Raeanne Napoleon: Somebody walks up to you and hands you their CD.
674
01:22:31.530 --> 01:22:32.040
Hong Lieu: Oh yeah.
675
01:22:32.580 --> 01:22:33.030
yeah.
676
01:22:34.290 --> 01:22:35.520
Raeanne Napoleon: They are like.
677
01:22:36.180 --> 01:22:38.520
Raeanne Napoleon: Trying to make it do not buy that CD.
678
01:22:40.860 --> 01:22:41.370
Hong Lieu: Yes.
679
01:22:41.970 --> 01:22:44.610
Raeanne Napoleon: That is not the DIY side see.
680
01:22:47.100 --> 01:22:49.620
Hong Lieu: That is, that is, the sky yeah.
681
01:22:51.510 --> 01:23:02.580
Raeanne Napoleon: Well, I mean like go ahead and buy it right like you're hustling I like what's the five bucks to you, but like just just don't expect that that that that's where you're going to find the next great.
682
01:23:04.620 --> 01:23:04.980
Hong Lieu: well.
683
01:23:05.160 --> 01:23:06.720
Raeanne Napoleon: Your rotation that's all.
684
01:23:07.980 --> 01:23:12.450
Hong Lieu: vibe with them and support them, but some of them are just some of them will not let you go yeah for.
685
01:23:12.450 --> 01:23:14.700
Raeanne Napoleon: Sure, and it will put it in your hand.
686
01:23:15.810 --> 01:23:15.990
Akil Hill: Oh.
687
01:23:16.380 --> 01:23:17.910
Akil Hill: yeah definitely definitely.
688
01:23:19.110 --> 01:23:19.590
Akil Hill: yeah.
689
01:23:19.740 --> 01:23:23.880
Hong Lieu: And that yeah i'm not I remember that whole mixtape air out of the back of folks trunks.
690
01:23:24.150 --> 01:23:35.040
Hong Lieu: Where you, you know people were still putting together mixtapes and doing the tracks like that, I mean now it's all online and it's that but they coming up and coming in here and those, like the DJ clue those drops like does it store yeah.
691
01:23:35.190 --> 01:23:43.470
Raeanne Napoleon: I got I got a story about this, so my husband, who is you know did not grow up loving hip hop like this was not his thing right.
692
01:23:44.010 --> 01:23:55.410
Raeanne Napoleon: So he and I are walking along together and, like in like a touristy part of the major city like dodge and people left and right, so this dude comes up to i'm trying to trying to you know.
693
01:23:56.880 --> 01:24:10.740
Raeanne Napoleon: Trying to trying to sling a CD and says something to Craig about like you know by you know by this or something and and i'm walking behind Craig and I go no.
694
01:24:12.420 --> 01:24:13.620
Raeanne Napoleon: optionality and he goes.
695
01:24:14.940 --> 01:24:17.370
Raeanne Napoleon: You know, called me and i'm talking to you.
696
01:24:19.380 --> 01:24:20.880
Raeanne Napoleon: And I made the mistake of going.
697
01:24:27.480 --> 01:24:29.370
Raeanne Napoleon: Like Why did I do that why.
698
01:24:31.620 --> 01:24:32.760
Raeanne Napoleon: I was just like he.
699
01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:37.980
Raeanne Napoleon: thinks like you know, like like he wants to talk to like my man right.
700
01:24:38.610 --> 01:24:44.340
Raeanne Napoleon: yeah yeah like this, like random white girl is the one actually like in the hip.
701
01:24:45.660 --> 01:24:49.800
Raeanne Napoleon: I just always like I thought that was so funny cuz I was like dude you know you know.
702
01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:56.190
Raeanne Napoleon: yeah right correct name every member of Wu Tang.
703
01:24:58.020 --> 01:25:01.230
Hong Lieu: No one can anymore if you're talking about extended Wu Tang like.
704
01:25:02.340 --> 01:25:03.570
Hong Lieu: Blue bag is, and all this.
705
01:25:04.500 --> 01:25:06.600
Raeanne Napoleon: or even, like all the other names.
706
01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:10.110
Raeanne Napoleon: Like like like old dirty like big baby Jesus like.
707
01:25:14.340 --> 01:25:17.400
Hong Lieu: yeah Tony stark's goes face iron man yeah.
708
01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:30.870
Akil Hill: Look man when eau de de de de joint with the mariah Carey that that was like to me it was like okay now yeah not now Wu Tang is like in a totally different space, you know.
709
01:25:30.930 --> 01:25:33.390
Hong Lieu: I mean the fantasy remakes yeah.
710
01:25:33.390 --> 01:25:34.590
Hong Lieu: yeah yeah.
711
01:25:34.590 --> 01:25:35.520
yeah.
712
01:25:36.660 --> 01:25:37.860
Akil Hill: yeah yeah.
713
01:25:38.550 --> 01:25:49.950
Hong Lieu: archaea what you got we gotta get we gotta get some of the kiehl's mcs got like I like a keel because he's got he's got that class like that classic soul background too cute cute guy like you know he killed, excuse me up to be like like yeah so.
714
01:25:50.730 --> 01:25:53.970
Raeanne Napoleon: that's what I lack so like let me I don't mean to.
715
01:25:55.140 --> 01:25:58.290
Raeanne Napoleon: know when biggie talks about um.
716
01:25:59.580 --> 01:26:11.340
Raeanne Napoleon: or like when when when anyone references like who came before them like that's where my knowledge is lacking or like or like where they got samples from right and that's something that i've tried to like.
717
01:26:11.730 --> 01:26:23.670
Raeanne Napoleon: fix now that i'm older and I don't want to listen to like heart, you know, like whatever i'm when i'm cleaning the House so it's like oh i'm going back and listening to that easily brothers.
718
01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:25.860
Hong Lieu: that's where something is.
719
01:26:26.100 --> 01:26:30.330
Raeanne Napoleon: wrong or i'm going back to like marvin gaye or you know or.
720
01:26:31.440 --> 01:26:41.430
Raeanne Napoleon: yeah or the next person because, like I I think I know the songs and and it's that's not where they started that's where they got sample they got sample right.
721
01:26:41.490 --> 01:26:44.100
Akil Hill: yeah yeah yeah that's that's a good point.
722
01:26:45.300 --> 01:26:50.160
Akil Hill: All the isley brothers tracks have been sampled some way somehow you know.
723
01:26:51.570 --> 01:26:53.370
Akil Hill: I mean I i'm kind of like on the same.
724
01:26:54.540 --> 01:27:12.630
Akil Hill: Page with you, Hong I mean, I think the you know that when when it's funny that you mentioned ran mentioned MTV because yo MTV raps was kind of like the real kickoff of love of it for hip hop and then one of my favorite mcs is obviously common.
725
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:23.040
Akil Hill: And when he dropped, I used to love her, and he did that whole story about hip hop I think that was completely a game changer for me, I think that was like freshman year when I was in college.
726
01:27:24.990 --> 01:27:34.260
Akil Hill: And so I just remember was always interesting too, because you know I graduated i'm just going to say that I graduate from my school 94 and then I went down South for school.
727
01:27:35.490 --> 01:27:40.470
Akil Hill: And when I came back like that summer I was like asking people you'll have you heard the foodies have you heard of.
728
01:27:40.860 --> 01:27:45.210
Akil Hill: These groups, and some people were like it hadn't dropped yet know how to reach the west coast, yet you know.
729
01:27:46.050 --> 01:27:56.520
Akil Hill: So, in some ways, like i'm a little I lean a little bit more to the east coast type of hip hop I, like you know comment, I, like all the big ones I actually lost I like Feral months a lot.
730
01:27:58.020 --> 01:28:00.870
Akil Hill: I think, and then all that heavy weights that you guys this.
731
01:28:00.900 --> 01:28:03.600
Akil Hill: Name care is one I like drew the damaged or.
732
01:28:05.910 --> 01:28:06.600
Akil Hill: Who else.
733
01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:12.120
Hong Lieu: yeah march march actually not only dope as an emergency, but organized confusion.
734
01:28:12.300 --> 01:28:12.750
Hong Lieu: yeah.
735
01:28:12.870 --> 01:28:15.960
Hong Lieu: Robin here or organize confusion records were seeking out.
736
01:28:16.290 --> 01:28:19.740
Akil Hill: Because must not forget brand nubian to brand new oh yeah yeah.
737
01:28:20.670 --> 01:28:21.930
Akil Hill: Was hot was high.
738
01:28:23.370 --> 01:28:37.860
Akil Hill: So yeah I mean we can go on for days I do want to give a shout out to there's a Roman rapper like that's rapping now that I think is this dope MC and she doesn't get enough side but it's rhapsody.
739
01:28:39.300 --> 01:28:59.550
Akil Hill: sees one of the illicit mcs I think right now and again, you know, in a being a woman in a male dominated career and hold your own weight and slaves as rhapsody man i've been filling our ally and no name as well, those two yes women rhapsody unknown a slaying the game.
740
01:28:59.880 --> 01:29:08.430
Hong Lieu: And let's let's really speak on this real quick, because I feel like you know, not just in music, but an industry, before I feel like they only used to only allow like your.
741
01:29:08.820 --> 01:29:16.290
Hong Lieu: Quota like you're only allowed one powerful woman at the table, so to speak, so like these have all these mcs pitted against each other, they made foxy brown a little can be.
742
01:29:16.530 --> 01:29:22.320
Hong Lieu: They didn't let them both exist on the road, I feel like this happens in industry as well, I mean it's easy to see a music, because you can kind of.
743
01:29:22.590 --> 01:29:30.360
Hong Lieu: You can kind of see how they diagram it out, but I mean but behind closed doors in these boardrooms as well, they playing these games so let's not let's not do that let's let people whose lives, this is.
744
01:29:30.630 --> 01:29:37.860
Hong Lieu: Like let's let's skill decide, you know the let the skill decide lot wraps he let no name, you know cheek out there there's a lot of don't feed them see.
745
01:29:38.130 --> 01:29:42.720
Hong Lieu: tiara whack there's there's so many you know dope people out there, let them be let them, let them.
746
01:29:42.990 --> 01:29:48.750
Hong Lieu: chart their path on their own, without saying well you're good, but what about this like like even like with nicki me knowledge, and all this stuff.
747
01:29:49.140 --> 01:29:58.650
Hong Lieu: Nikki and cardi they have beef, you know, whatever personal but then industry trying to play like that too is like let the dope you will be dope and don't try it like the comparisons are good for us having these like.
748
01:29:59.040 --> 01:30:04.620
Hong Lieu: Like water cooler conversations and stuff but in terms of like pitting you know, like for the artistry for the culture.
749
01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:13.260
Hong Lieu: Like it there's nothing good comes from that you know, like let them be dope and let them track their own path and i'm glad we don't have to play those Games anymore wraps like rhapsody and no name or both.
750
01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:18.300
Hong Lieu: Everything I haven't heard a bad track from either them yet like an Internet obviously put out a solid front to back.
751
01:30:18.660 --> 01:30:24.090
Hong Lieu: But yeah like I just noticed that happen to music as well we're like you always have these like women in rock issues and women, and like.
752
01:30:24.300 --> 01:30:32.550
Hong Lieu: Like let's not just call winner let's just call it rock musicians, you know they want to play a certain type of music, let them exist it's not like why, why do we don't have like these.
753
01:30:32.940 --> 01:30:37.980
Hong Lieu: Male and right like, why do we have to play those Games, I mean if you're trying to highlight and essentially that's one thing.
754
01:30:38.190 --> 01:30:44.880
Hong Lieu: But a lot of times I feel like they take it a step too far, and they try to compare and bring other people's down on the people up and play these like zero sum games.
755
01:30:45.120 --> 01:30:50.880
Hong Lieu: Where it's just about the culture, you know so yeah but thank you for speaking on the some of the some of the fresh talent coming through.
756
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:53.520
Raeanne Napoleon: yeah I mean massage any right.
757
01:30:53.670 --> 01:31:02.460
Hong Lieu: yep and we highlighted in the code in the arts, but but in terms of private sector, you know, like businesses throughout the years, why are all the borders predominantly males because.
758
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:10.320
Hong Lieu: Some folks trying to come up and they get shut down by by playing the same kind of games, though well you don't just let skill decide the battle you're playing this like well.
759
01:31:10.860 --> 01:31:19.800
Hong Lieu: You know, both of you are good, but I can only bring one up like why you know why don't you demote one of those Dudes over there is not as good you know, like why why you know, like so yeah.
760
01:31:20.370 --> 01:31:20.700
yeah.
761
01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:25.260
Akil Hill: Yes, yes, yes, yes, that is, that is i'm like.
762
01:31:25.440 --> 01:31:26.850
Akil Hill: you're about to go down that rabbit hole.
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Hong Lieu: I mean I just mentioned, it is drop drop a little nugget you know, like it's, just like the MC hammer tape is that see we're planning for the future, you know so yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Well, I you know I while we're here for a moment, like, I do think it strikes people odd that i'm this like fist waving feminist and into this golden era of hip hop like say because there is.
765
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Raeanne Napoleon: You know, there is some problematic like there is some problematic things said about into women in a lot of these songs you know and it's like.
766
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Raeanne Napoleon: How, how do I separate that from from what I love about it, and you know I just always have you know, and I just always do, and it was like part of it, and it.
767
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Raeanne Napoleon: Was it.
768
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Raeanne Napoleon: needs to hip hop right at that time so like.
769
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Raeanne Napoleon: I remember when Jay Z there, I remember this really stupid art.
770
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Raeanne Napoleon: When Jay Z had a little girl it's like I don't even know who it was written by, but it was like it was probably.
771
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Raeanne Napoleon: i'll just say it was probably a white woman, but I remember it like blowing up on Twitter like.
772
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Raeanne Napoleon: Jay Z had a little girls when blue Ivy was born and like it basically like.
773
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Raeanne Napoleon: Talk shit to him about like think about your lyrics and think about your daughter in the world and, just like laying into them, and it was like it was as if it was as if Jay.
774
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Raeanne Napoleon: invented massage me or something, and it was as if Jay was the first as if I know him as if he's a close friend Jay Z.
775
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Raeanne Napoleon: was like the first person ever to like have a daughter after living in this like.
776
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Raeanne Napoleon: Messiah misogynistic world and and and and and you know sharing that, so I hope nobody speaks that article out Nicholas right, but just remember like what, why are we are we doing this like.
777
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Raeanne Napoleon: And that grows like now that he has a daughter I hope he grows like and it's too bad that it took a daughter to maybe see that i'm like you know when it'd be nice that like.
778
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Raeanne Napoleon: Women are like that people would think that before having a daughter or or you know you don't need a sister or a mom to think about this stuff right, but like.
779
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Raeanne Napoleon: yeah but and like also like maybe he'll I don't know Jay Z maybe he continues to be misogynistic after having a daughter there's lots of misogynist in the world with daughters right, I mean women are misogynist right.
780
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Raeanne Napoleon: Right, so you know I just I just found it like kind of interesting than an article like that was like calling Jay Z out just because this very public announcement of his his daughter at the time.
781
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Akil Hill: yeah I I saw on the show it's called the shop and they just recently interviewed that show on HBO with I think it's.
782
01:34:35.130 --> 01:34:38.880
Akil Hill: The brawn James a barbershop yeah yeah and they just recently had Jay Z on.
783
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Akil Hill: And he kind of actually address that you know how he's kind of shifted it alive in his ways and thinking.
784
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Akil Hill: Because he you know people evolve, you know, like you know people evolve people change and people have different experiences that kind of give them openings to.
785
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Akil Hill: look at things differently and that's the piece to like you know that we, you know that I appreciate about hip hop is that people are a rapping about their limited realities and experiences, you know and.
786
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Akil Hill: In the in the speaking to the point of you know just the the misogyny like people grow up in toxic environments like that.
787
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Akil Hill: And then in there and and they're expressing like what they're witnessing you know and it's it was great to hear him talk a little bit about that how he is shifted and changed because of having.
788
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Akil Hill: You know, children, you know and and girls and girls in particular, you know and.
789
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Hong Lieu: And that is the true end game of of it all, because you know, in terms of the.
790
01:35:36.150 --> 01:35:41.520
Hong Lieu: Music and stuff it's a lot it's a lot more because there's such a wider swath of music being released was more voices being out there being heard.
791
01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:45.990
Hong Lieu: But in terms of trickling down into the streets that's what I would like to see because, as someone who kind of.
792
01:35:46.290 --> 01:35:50.610
Hong Lieu: You know I came up in the streets, I was wrong I was walking around you know roaming the streets with those with those people like.
793
01:35:50.970 --> 01:35:56.340
Hong Lieu: There was a conscious break you know where they were they would split the music, they would say you either conscious hip hop.
794
01:35:56.700 --> 01:36:02.970
Hong Lieu: or you're like street rap and and and and in terms of like the street rappers would quote unquote broadcast what's going on their community.
795
01:36:03.150 --> 01:36:09.000
Hong Lieu: But they would only do it in terms of the language of the streets, you know you're this you're that you're this should be word whatever and it's like.
796
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Hong Lieu: When you try to show street street kids conscious music they're like Okay, I like that, but that's conscious music i'm a street dude you know, like, and it was just this inability to grasp hip hop.
797
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Hong Lieu: Has a wider like this, this wider culture, you know, like the street Dudes and even even street Dudes that I still like you know I don't I don't associate directly with that many St jude's anymore, because i'm.
798
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Hong Lieu: i'm i'm an old Asian dork dude and they look they look right through me they can see right now we're at the Youth on my side before but it's hard to get that message across, where it's like.
799
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Hong Lieu: You don't have to be like you don't have to be like this, you have to treat women like this, you have to treat certain people like this to be street.
800
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Hong Lieu: You know, like street culture was about respect it was about you know, like people respecting you like, if you didn't get that respect and you were trying to go get it and stuff like that and and it's just is it just got.
801
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Hong Lieu: distorted I don't know if it's from corporate machinations or from anything else, but it's just like.
802
01:37:00.060 --> 01:37:06.690
Hong Lieu: St St folks did not want to hear anything but kind of that street kind of life and that street life was kind of.
803
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Hong Lieu: They would talk like that and that just kind of proliferate itself so that's where Jay z's able to get out of that you got the other side, he looks back like that's stupid why Why was this, why is this pervasive for so long, you ever look when you look back on it.
804
01:37:19.950 --> 01:37:26.790
Hong Lieu: And you can reflect the folks that are in it and stay in it, they never get to reflect and I don't know if there's a if there's a way to.
805
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Hong Lieu: get through to them in a way to make them reflect in the moment without them losing their street cred you know, because that that's number one that's what keeps you alive in the streets.
806
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Hong Lieu: Is your street cred your your hood past whatever you call it, how do you get that in the moment in their in their minds, you know, without without making them seem quote unquote week or anything else you know so.
807
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Oh.
808
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Raeanne Napoleon: Sorry go ahead.
809
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Akil Hill: No, I was just gonna say real quick, I mean, I would also even say a lot of street hip hop is actually conscious hip hop I think of ice cube.
810
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Akil Hill: And people he's notorious for being from the streets, but if you really listen to what he's saying like he's challenging the paradigm of structures and inequality, you know at the root of his music, you know.
811
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Akil Hill: So I think you can stand in both places, you know what I mean like and that's what you're saying on you're alluding to about why do we have to pinch in the whole people either to one type of.
812
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Akil Hill: One one genre music either your conscious rapper your gangster rap and and but, at the essence of gangster rap I did get started, because of injustice by the police.
813
01:38:27.420 --> 01:38:31.620
Akil Hill: You know, if you look at nwa and ice cube all that started by injustices, you know.
814
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Hong Lieu: It was just bringing that bringing what was going on in their lives to light and bring it in and get it to a wider audience and that wider runs ended up becoming mainstream audience ended up going, like all the way to the top, which is crazy but yeah.
815
01:38:42.240 --> 01:38:42.660
Akil Hill: yeah but.
816
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Raeanne Napoleon: I also think you, you spoke to it a little bit like why why why can't they think about this like when thing like I you know when things are life and death and paycheck to paycheck like like you don't you don't got time to think about that stuff.
817
01:39:00.780 --> 01:39:01.260
Right.
818
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Raeanne Napoleon: So I went.
819
01:39:05.220 --> 01:39:10.860
Raeanne Napoleon: I went back home, a little while ago, and my particular area.
820
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Raeanne Napoleon: is predominantly Puerto ricans and so um I remember going home and in this area like I remember.
821
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Raeanne Napoleon: seeing a friend outside of a bar down there they were smoking cigarettes were catching up.
822
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Raeanne Napoleon: And like we were talking and and I said some about latinx right and like they like didn't really know what that was or like.
823
01:39:40.950 --> 01:39:41.400
Raeanne Napoleon: and
824
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Akil Hill: thought was hip hop group.
825
01:39:45.540 --> 01:39:57.240
Raeanne Napoleon: didn't mean anything to them right and yet here, I thought I was like like being respectful right and using preferred nomenclature and like.
826
01:39:58.860 --> 01:40:01.860
Raeanne Napoleon: You know and and because that's I mean that's what we've been saying.
827
01:40:03.150 --> 01:40:08.130
Raeanne Napoleon: For a while and like and it's you know it's gender neutral and all of this stuff.
828
01:40:09.510 --> 01:40:16.650
Raeanne Napoleon: And like they did not know what that was and like it did not apply to them like that was not their word right.
829
01:40:17.220 --> 01:40:21.720
Raeanne Napoleon: And, and this particular person, you know somebody knew from high school like.
830
01:40:22.050 --> 01:40:37.410
Raeanne Napoleon: graduated high school with me, and that was it right and like still in our hometown so has like so worked for the same company so as the same job like as a sweet ass car because, like that's his thing right and like that's it and, like I just thinking like.
831
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Raeanne Napoleon: Like.
832
01:40:41.430 --> 01:40:46.290
Raeanne Napoleon: My friend who stand outside a bar with me smoking cigarettes like doesn't give a shit about some of this.
833
01:40:47.490 --> 01:40:49.230
Raeanne Napoleon: Like academic.
834
01:40:49.260 --> 01:40:49.710
Hong Lieu: Common.
835
01:40:50.190 --> 01:40:50.970
Hong Lieu: sense about my.
836
01:40:51.480 --> 01:41:08.280
Raeanne Napoleon: brace you know what I mean or like misogyny or the intersection there and that's almost like that's almost like you know, a place of privilege to be able to think about these things as, like in terms of academics and in.
837
01:41:08.280 --> 01:41:10.110
Hong Lieu: terms of in terms of the theoretical.
838
01:41:10.440 --> 01:41:10.650
Hong Lieu: And the.
839
01:41:11.460 --> 01:41:14.520
Hong Lieu: And the practical application, I mean just just a practical applications.
840
01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:23.370
Hong Lieu: Like just respect you know respect folks how you want to be respected and treat people right and it's like even that is hard to get through young kids because the struggle is is.
841
01:41:23.790 --> 01:41:41.610
Hong Lieu: Even realer now because the income disparity is only getting wider and you're only being inundated with the images of the that 0.1 is it a 1% anymore, it says 0.1% making you know hundreds of 10s to hundreds of billions, you know, like it yeah it's just it's tough it's it's.
842
01:41:42.090 --> 01:41:55.980
Raeanne Napoleon: yeah and I, and I had another conversation with somebody else it's like a rich white friend here in town and he would identify as such and and he and I refer to like that we're both now rich and white right and he.
843
01:41:57.120 --> 01:42:07.350
Raeanne Napoleon: He he doesn't like that i'm apple maps or Google maps doesn't pronounce the street names in the in like the proper like.
844
01:42:08.430 --> 01:42:27.210
Raeanne Napoleon: Spanish pronunciation and and it really drives them NUTS apples it, you know apples a California company, they should get the pronunciation right and doesn't this like dry like Spanish speakers nuts and i'm like no, I think I think like you know, racism and like.
845
01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:44.310
Raeanne Napoleon: And like getting by is what you know they don't really care how you pronounce or mispronounces a street name, you know what I mean it just like always makes me think that like there is no yeah there is this like.
846
01:42:46.080 --> 01:42:51.540
Raeanne Napoleon: And I think about this in terms of our campus to okay to water and just a second friend, let me finish the side okay.
847
01:42:52.950 --> 01:42:56.340
Raeanne Napoleon: That there's this level on campus of like.
848
01:42:57.450 --> 01:43:05.190
Raeanne Napoleon: Some of the fights we have, and some of our conversations is because, like we have a certain level of security as bcc.
849
01:43:06.390 --> 01:43:14.970
Raeanne Napoleon: And we can you know we can have these moments of whatever because.
850
01:43:17.040 --> 01:43:25.260
Raeanne Napoleon: of certain charities that we all share, I mean not always right now, and our students, a lot of our students definitely go, but like in terms of the academic.
851
01:43:27.900 --> 01:43:33.750
Hong Lieu: Because a lot of those academic conference you don't even trickle down to students yeah they don't let them don't notice don't know what's what's happening there, so yeah.
852
01:43:34.020 --> 01:43:46.380
Akil Hill: Well, also I mean, I think I was, I was kind of thinking a little bit about that your piece that you're talking about your friend outside of the bar back home, and now you know he just has this nice car and and and that's all you kind of what.
853
01:43:48.090 --> 01:43:54.240
Akil Hill: he's concerned when he, like in terms of like what you're saying, and I think it's also really interesting to mention that.
854
01:43:54.630 --> 01:44:09.150
Akil Hill: You know the way that structures are set up is that you know when you're coming from you know neighborhoods or places where people are are barely getting by they don't have time like what you're saying they don't have time to really analyze you know.
855
01:44:10.950 --> 01:44:17.850
Akil Hill: Certain things around race because they're trying to survive, you know what I mean, and so, then the people that are in positions of.
856
01:44:18.390 --> 01:44:28.290
Akil Hill: Of maybe that life is financially a little bit better for them, they have the obligation to kind of speak up and represent people that are barely trying to make it because we all know.
857
01:44:28.890 --> 01:44:36.510
Akil Hill: That that's also a form of white supremacy just giving people barely enough so they can get by so they're not worried about any other issues than their day to day functions.
858
01:44:37.020 --> 01:44:48.240
Akil Hill: And that's how structure stay in place, you know, so it totally makes sense when you when you make that comment about your friends, not knowing you know what lad next is because he's five like look i'm trying to just live.
859
01:44:49.080 --> 01:44:58.680
Akil Hill: You know what I mean and so many of us are in those positions they're like i'm not trying to say solve the world's problems because i'm just trying to like i'm just trying to live, and you know what I mean.
860
01:44:59.880 --> 01:45:07.170
Hong Lieu: So how you have these conversations matters for a lot in terms of I always try like I always call myself, Mr milk toast middle the road but it's because i'm not trying to like.
861
01:45:07.800 --> 01:45:18.120
Hong Lieu: Go out go out way in front, right at the outset by like offending or or like just like tuning them out, I try to keep people engaged until I can kind of sneak like stealth sneak any points i'm trying to make in.
862
01:45:18.480 --> 01:45:23.730
Hong Lieu: Because I know that I know, like in the streets, when you cut off your cut off for good, you know, like I know people like.
863
01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:31.770
Hong Lieu: Even one bad exchange and i've never met them what that dude again because, like we ain't cool anymore, you know, like when you're not cool with like you're done, you know so it's it's it's just that kind of.
864
01:45:32.250 --> 01:45:36.600
Hong Lieu: You know that kind of mindset always informed everything I do it's it's funny because I consider myself like a total sellout like.
865
01:45:37.080 --> 01:45:44.100
Hong Lieu: You know, like not rich, but like you know i'm not i'm not from not from the streets anymore, but a lot of that ethos still drives me and it's still like kind of informs my kind of work.
866
01:45:44.340 --> 01:45:44.730
Raeanne Napoleon: For sure.
867
01:45:45.900 --> 01:45:50.130
Raeanne Napoleon: And it's funny so my husband calls me on it.
868
01:45:50.370 --> 01:45:50.760
Because.
869
01:45:51.810 --> 01:46:01.260
Raeanne Napoleon: I tend to I tend to be i'm going to out myself may be vulnerable for a second I tend to be a little classes, sometimes because.
870
01:46:02.160 --> 01:46:11.280
Raeanne Napoleon: You know, you know it was like the haves and the have nots where I came from right and I said, like the teachers kids like that's not a very nice thing to call like.
871
01:46:11.550 --> 01:46:12.300
Raeanne Napoleon: My friend yeah.
872
01:46:12.450 --> 01:46:13.080
Akil Hill: High School it.
873
01:46:13.320 --> 01:46:15.450
Raeanne Napoleon: was like they were the teachers kids and.
874
01:46:15.630 --> 01:46:17.310
Raeanne Napoleon: Those kids over there report, like.
875
01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:18.660
Raeanne Napoleon: The reality is we're.
876
01:46:18.780 --> 01:46:19.380
Raeanne Napoleon: All poor.
877
01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:25.590
Raeanne Napoleon: Right oh like barely getting our families were barely get by.
878
01:46:26.580 --> 01:46:38.550
Raeanne Napoleon: And, and that drives a lot of the things I think and say and do, and like now now i'm i'm i'm rich and i'm a professor and I live in Santa Barbara and like.
879
01:46:39.180 --> 01:46:51.450
Raeanne Napoleon: I go to yoga right and like i've I forget that i'm not that kid and so i'll i'll say something, and my husband will call me on it, you know and he'll be like.
880
01:46:53.010 --> 01:46:54.120
Raeanne Napoleon: You go to yoga.
881
01:46:54.210 --> 01:46:55.230
in Santa Barbara.
882
01:46:56.790 --> 01:46:57.180
Raeanne Napoleon: i'm like.
883
01:46:57.240 --> 01:46:59.430
Raeanne Napoleon: shut up shut up no.
884
01:47:02.430 --> 01:47:06.240
Raeanne Napoleon: that's not me, you know it is, it is.
885
01:47:08.250 --> 01:47:08.490
Akil Hill: and
886
01:47:08.550 --> 01:47:11.910
Raeanne Napoleon: And, and I don't know what your experiences with that Hong but like.
887
01:47:13.770 --> 01:47:23.460
Raeanne Napoleon: There is this weird like this is this is something I think has really like shaped me as an adult and like has driven like a lot of loneliness is like.
888
01:47:25.170 --> 01:47:36.750
Raeanne Napoleon: I feel like I don't fit in like with the academics right like I don't feel polished like I don't play by their rules, I don't understand their rules like um.
889
01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:47.220
Raeanne Napoleon: And yeah i'm one of them right, like any I have a PhD and yet, like my my my socio economics, you know that that is, that is where i'm at.
890
01:47:47.640 --> 01:48:02.100
Raeanne Napoleon: But then when I go home like I mean I don't have like a good relationships with with friends or family anymore, because there came to be like the certain point of my education, where like I mean clearly I changed but also like it was like.
891
01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:05.940
Raeanne Napoleon: I got too big for my britches.
892
01:48:07.320 --> 01:48:07.650
Hong Lieu: yeah.
893
01:48:07.830 --> 01:48:09.030
Raeanne Napoleon: What I mean so it's like.
894
01:48:09.690 --> 01:48:15.000
Raeanne Napoleon: I can't go back home, you know, like I don't quite fit in and it's like I don't.
895
01:48:15.900 --> 01:48:20.580
Raeanne Napoleon: I don't know how to handle that sometimes right and like I try and go home and.
896
01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:31.200
Raeanne Napoleon: When I see friends or you know and like superficially, it can be fun, you know you have too many drinks, with a friend from high school and you stand outside and you shoot the shit you talk about stuff from years ago.
897
01:48:31.770 --> 01:48:41.490
Raeanne Napoleon: But you know, in terms of like long term friendships it's been really hard to maintain those because, like I don't have anything in common with them anymore I go to yoga.
898
01:48:42.060 --> 01:48:45.900
Raeanne Napoleon: Right, like my friends that had kids back home like.
899
01:48:46.860 --> 01:48:57.960
Raeanne Napoleon: They had to they had to lie my female friends have to lie to their doctors about where their bodies were at so that they could go click get cleared to go back to work because.
900
01:48:58.500 --> 01:49:08.550
Raeanne Napoleon: They needed they needed their paycheck right and like that was not my reality my reality was I could take off as much time as I wanted right and so anyways it's just this very like.
901
01:49:09.720 --> 01:49:10.950
Raeanne Napoleon: we're not the same and.
902
01:49:12.270 --> 01:49:13.140
Raeanne Napoleon: things get lonely.
903
01:49:13.980 --> 01:49:16.410
Raeanne Napoleon: I was like you're rich and you're right now.
904
01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:19.230
Hong Lieu: You need yeah and that's and that's and that's like it's it's.
905
01:49:19.320 --> 01:49:23.670
Hong Lieu: Used it's kind of does like kind of show you where your APP it's also it doesn't help because, like yeah that's.
906
01:49:23.910 --> 01:49:31.140
Hong Lieu: it's isolated, because you don't fit in with that crew either I I feel you wonder percent like in terms of the professional stuff I spent a lot of my.
907
01:49:31.470 --> 01:49:36.090
Hong Lieu: younger parts of my educational career like trying to be more kind of into that world like.
908
01:49:36.330 --> 01:49:45.600
Hong Lieu: I write you know really nice legal like technical writing you know, like my writings really concise and I say those words like a preponderance of evidence or circumstances and that.
909
01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:50.370
Hong Lieu: But i'm a street kid you know, so I spent a lot of time trying to fluff up that part of me.
910
01:49:50.580 --> 01:49:53.460
Hong Lieu: I spent a lot of time trying to fluff my street side to be this and that.
911
01:49:53.640 --> 01:50:00.090
Hong Lieu: But now now like yeah i'm in Santa Barbara material sell out to everybody, you know, like I don't fit in with Santa Barbara they look at me like i'm.
912
01:50:00.270 --> 01:50:09.480
Hong Lieu: i'm still some kind of vagabond ragamuffins But then when I go home and, like my day one friends of my day one friends are always will always be cool you can that but if I talked to my certain things, and they start talking, you know.
913
01:50:09.900 --> 01:50:15.540
Hong Lieu: When they get start getting to hood I have to check myself and not be like that is inappropriate conversation right now.
914
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Hong Lieu: We should not be you know, like I I can't do that, because then they'd be like oh you change you don't change, you know.
915
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Hong Lieu: change but.
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Hong Lieu: But at the same time, like and i'm happy about it because, like yeah you know we use the first one, the landlord is just know he went away Christmas missed us.
917
01:50:30.150 --> 01:50:36.660
Hong Lieu: were like i'm not living that life anymore, but like at the same time, like I I don't yeah I don't have.
918
01:50:37.110 --> 01:50:45.750
Hong Lieu: I don't have that like rock of like I don't have that foundation like that was the chip on my shoulder that drove me, you know so like now my chip on my shoulder is like.
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Hong Lieu: You know, like yeah I don't even know like yeah like I don't even know like i'm almost to content in some ways we're like I don't know what's wrong with pushing me and I just kind of just i'm just like you yeah so.
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Raeanne Napoleon: But yeah yeah and yeah very similar very similar yeah but.
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Hong Lieu: But yeah that's that we went back a lot there's a lot, a lot more, we can go, but in the interest of time I feel like we should let you go because we run you through the wringer already we.
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Hong Lieu: Thank you.
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Hong Lieu: very much.
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01:51:17.910 --> 01:51:27.480
Raeanne Napoleon: As usual, I probably said a couple of things that that somebody will repeat back to me and and i'm going to be like oh oh God did I really say that but.
925
01:51:27.510 --> 01:51:33.510
Hong Lieu: In the in the context in the context of this episode, if you if you take the time to listen to the depth and breadth of all the things that we.
926
01:51:33.990 --> 01:51:39.150
Hong Lieu: dove into today like, no, no one can fault you for anything you know, like i'm always screaming that stuff too it's like.
927
01:51:39.420 --> 01:51:47.970
Hong Lieu: ain't, no, no one should be able to follow the reigning because you came with truth and you came with you know facts and and and good points like we know and there's a great conversation.
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Akil Hill: yeah well.
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Hong Lieu: You know, we thank you for coming on the show it's an honor to have you any any last words anything you'd like to plug anything you'd like to you know shout out before we go.
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01:51:59.370 --> 01:52:02.010
Raeanne Napoleon: I mean I got Tracy in there yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Yes, chemistry departments good yeah academic senate holding it down with the negotiate noodle conversations yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Okay let's one more shout out one more thing to mention hold on for me i'll get that in there for you, Linda dozer.
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Hong Lieu: Oh yeah.
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Raeanne Napoleon: Here, like.
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Raeanne Napoleon: campus favor right like I always knew you guys have that that had this podcasts and stuff, but it was like when the email went out that she was on I was like oh I love Linda.
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Raeanne Napoleon: And then, like as soon as I was listening I wouldn't be on the show anyways.
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So.
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Raeanne Napoleon: If I feel like the reason why I like email you guys are awesome.
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01:52:45.150 --> 01:52:46.080
Hong Lieu: Linda is great.
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01:52:46.230 --> 01:52:58.890
Hong Lieu: And yeah as always i'm joined by keel who is who is the rock of SPC as i'm learning over as i've been a very long, but I feel like a kills it kills like Kevin bacon on campus that you it's like it's like 60 degrees, you will be connected to kill in some way for sure.
941
01:52:58.980 --> 01:53:03.570
Raeanne Napoleon: yeah Chelsea told me once that like you guys want to high school together and go.
942
01:53:03.570 --> 01:53:04.590
Raeanne Napoleon: yeah i'm like.
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Akil Hill: yeah.
944
01:53:07.530 --> 01:53:07.860
Akil Hill: yeah.
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01:53:11.220 --> 01:53:20.640
Akil Hill: yo so surprised school I think she was class she was a year younger than me, I think, but we yeah we we walk them hallways pass them letters pass those mixtapes.
946
01:53:23.460 --> 01:53:24.750
Akil Hill: It was a thing in the 90s.
947
01:53:25.950 --> 01:53:27.330
Akil Hill: Have the trapper keepers and everything.
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01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:29.190
Raeanne Napoleon: That was a thing in the 90s, yes.
949
01:53:31.410 --> 01:53:35.340
Raeanne Napoleon: And you made it off of the radio and you had to like hit it at the right time right.
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01:53:35.340 --> 01:53:37.860
Hong Lieu: yeah yeah hit the record off the boom box.
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01:53:39.870 --> 01:53:40.110
Hong Lieu: i'm gonna.
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01:53:40.350 --> 01:53:52.500
Akil Hill: i'm gonna give a special shout out to rants children who have been extremely wonderful drain this recording the listeners can't see but they've been really good so shout out to right.
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01:53:52.500 --> 01:53:53.100
Hong Lieu: and very.
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01:53:53.130 --> 01:53:54.660
Hong Lieu: very understanding very.
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01:53:55.050 --> 01:53:57.630
Akil Hill: waving hi nicely.
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01:53:57.750 --> 01:53:59.670
Raeanne Napoleon: Our total zoom kids right.
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01:54:00.240 --> 01:54:01.920
Hong Lieu: yeah all right.
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01:54:02.220 --> 01:54:15.480
Raeanne Napoleon: Like lat the last year and a half they've been like I mean it's it's been all of us like they've been under foot this whole time so yeah they know, and this is why franny's here because she knows that we're gonna say goodbye, and so she wants to be here for that.
959
01:54:16.620 --> 01:54:18.720
Raeanne Napoleon: She wants to say goodbye, can you say goodbye.
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01:54:22.650 --> 01:54:25.260
Hong Lieu: And thank you Ray and it was an honor and.
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01:54:26.070 --> 01:54:27.120
Hong Lieu: feel, as always, and.
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Hong Lieu: This was Vaquero Voices - take care y'all!
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01:54:30.180 --> 01:54:30.570
Thank.
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Raeanne Napoleon: You.