Akil and Hong welcome Dr. Kathy Scott to the show to talk about how being EVP at SBCC is like working multiple jobs, and then segue into her path to Santa Barbara. From there, the trio discuss: the benefits of eating a Mediterreanean diet, tea, coffee, what it means to be able to name intersectionality, and choice works from James Baldwin, Zora Neale Hurston, Jocelyn Enriquez, and Buffy. Akil closes the show with a discussion on the benefits of traveling, and why Turkey is a must-visit bucket list destination.
Mentioned in this episode:
SBCC Executive Vice-President - https://www.sbcc.edu/executivevicepresident/
Committee on Online Instruction (COI) - https://www.sbcc.edu/coi/
And Their Eyes Were Watching God by Zora Neale Hurston - https://www.zoranealehurston.com/books/their-eyes-were-watching-god/
Mediterranean Diet - https://www.webmd.com/diet/a-z/the-mediterranean-diet
Cantonese steamed whole fish - https://thewoksoflife.com/steamed-whole-fish/
Fried fish - https://thewoksoflife.com/pan-fried-fish/
Sea Bass with Brussels Sprouts - https://paleoleap.com/grilled-seabass-caramelized-brussels-sprouts/
Fried Kubocha Squash - https://www.thespruceeats.com/kabocha-tempura-recipe-2031602
Los Agaves - https://los-agaves.com/
Cesar’s Place - https://www.yelp.com/biz/cesars-place-santa-barbara
Tea - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea
Community Tea - https://www.communitycoffee.com/products/tea
Persian Tea - http://www.mypersiankitchen.com/how-to-brew-persian-tea/
Hochaya - https://www.hochaya.com/
Phresh Tea - https://www.yelp.com/biz/phresh-teas-goleta
Boba Time Ventura - https://itsbobatime.com/
Cafe Touba - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caf%C3%A9_Touba
Cafe du Monde - https://shop.cafedumonde.com/
Intersectionality - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality
Facing It by Yusef Komunyakaa - https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47867/facing-it
To Live in the Borderlands by Gloria Anzaldua - https://powerpoetry.org/content/live-borderlands
Sonrisas by Pat Mora - http://lauramalafarina.com/blog/2020/6/8/sonrisas-by-pat-mora
Sonny’s Blues by James Baldwin - https://uwm.edu/cultures-communities/wp-content/uploads/sites/219/2018/01/SonnysBlues.Baldwin.pdf
Minding the Obligation Gap in Community Colleges and Beyond, by Jeremiah J. Sims, Jennifer Taylor-Mendoza, Lasana O. Hotep, Jeramy Wallace, Tabitha Conaway - https://www.peterlang.com/document/1111213
Albuquerque by Rodolfo Anaya - https://unmpress.com/books/alburquerque/9780826340597
El Tonto de Barrio by Jose Armas - https://www.bartleby.com/essay/Jose-Armas-El-Tonto-Del-Barrio-PK5QUAVK6ZKQ
Freestyle (Dance Music) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_freestyle
Jocelyn Enriquez - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocelyn_Enriquez
Buffy - http://musicrareobscure.blogspot.com/2009/05/buffy.html
Kai - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kai_(band)
Bulletin Board Systems - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system
Hagia Sophia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia
Topkapi Palace - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topkap%C4%B1_Palace
Rumi - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi
Doner Kebab - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
Fez, Morocco - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fez,_Morocco
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Hong Lieu: hello, and welcome to another episode of SBCC Vaquero Voices - a podcast highlighting the unique voices that comprise our campus culture, and how we're all working together to serve our students and the community at large. as usual i'm joined by my co-host Akil Hill.
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Akil Hill: that's good yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And today, we are honored to welcome Dr Dr Kathy Scott, to the show welcome Kathy.
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Akil Hill: it's Dr Scott.
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Kathy Scott: Thank you very much, both of you hung and Akil i'm very happy to be here with you, thank you.
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Hong Lieu: So your email signature says, you are the executive Vice President, and I, and I get I feel like I should know what that entails, but I have probably very, very little idea.
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Hong Lieu: So you can just.
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Hong Lieu: kind of run through you know, because you know, we had we had Dr Maria and your superintendent President oh yeah the buck stops there, etc, etc.
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Hong Lieu: But in terms of executive Vice President, I mean I know you deal a lot with faculty is that, like exclusively your purview or is there, like a lot to it, or if you just run through kind of what what that job entails.
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Kathy Scott: i'd be happy to thank you all right, the executive Vice President at Santa Barbara city college means that the person oversees both the academic side and the.
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Kathy Scott: admin side as well as student services so typically colleges have a Vice President of instruction and a Vice President of student services, we have one Vice President that oversees both areas, and that makes it a very large job.
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Kathy Scott: And also athletics reports to me and institutional research reports to me so it's it's quite an extensive area and it's it's it's it's a lot.
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Hong Lieu: So, are you saying that you kind of do the work of two to four people is that is that whatever.
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Akil Hill: Yes, why you're here to say.
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Kathy Scott: Well, thank you and I appreciate.
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Kathy Scott: That empathy.
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Kathy Scott: It is a lot, I mean, I have to rely on on people like paloma and Christopher to help with the student services side because that isn't not the side that I come from.
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Kathy Scott: I come from instruction I was a faculty Member for almost 15 years I was an academic Dean.
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Kathy Scott: So I don't know that side of the House, as well as I know, the other side, so I rely on them and I rely on the deans because it's really hard to do both of those areas that's why most colleges have it separated.
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Kathy Scott: And it may be something we do down the line I don't know but.
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Kathy Scott: yeah it's a lot it's a lot of question.
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Akil Hill: I always wondered about that you know even with former Dr Austin I was like that I must be a tight rope because you're balancing faculty and the students service side of everything so yeah I Hats off.
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Kathy Scott: My Hats off to you.
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Kathy Scott: Know that's true definitely a lot, and that the executive Vice President is usually the person that steps in.
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Kathy Scott: For the President if the President is out, or you know what happened when I got here, I think I was on my fifth day and I became the acting superintendent President.
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Kathy Scott: Because the board policy says that it's the person in my position so, even though I had less experienced in any of the other Vice Presidents it felt to me just by just because the position.
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Hong Lieu: Is I just thought let's just throw more on get he played.
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Akil Hill: put her to the feet, to the fire.
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Kathy Scott: it's kind of strange, the same thing happened at long beach, where I was the VP there for four years before coming here and that same thing happened by the president left.
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Hong Lieu: And so, so you had some experience, but at the same time, each each campus is different and each kind of situation is different, so in terms of your day to day, is it is it like.
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Hong Lieu: Imagine is meeting intensive but I mean, is it an equal balance of like kind of faculty kind of instructional stuff and then student services or does one take more of your time, or is it like kind of it just depends on the day or.
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Kathy Scott: You know, it does depend on the day I have a lot of meetings, obviously, and I go from meeting to meeting to meeting and.
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Kathy Scott: there's a lot of things I want to be involved in, I want to be part of certain committees, I want to see how things work here.
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Kathy Scott: You know, like going to the coin, you know, the Committee on online instruction or going to equity.
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Kathy Scott: You know, student equity Committee, and you know I want to go to those things I want to see what's happening.
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Kathy Scott: And in regards to whether or not it's equal you know it sort of depends there's an issue with a student and the student services area.
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Kathy Scott: Sometimes we just have to drop everything and that becomes a major issue, and you know, particularly there's a student that's a need.
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Kathy Scott: We have to, we have to stop and help immediately, so it all depends on what's happening, but you know similarly something can happen in the classroom that that it's you know a lot of attention as required at that moment.
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Kathy Scott: So there's a lot of things like that, and then I do email at night because that's really pretty much the only time to do it, I try not to send.
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Kathy Scott: emails to people on the weekend or not Nice.
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Kathy Scott: Nice to send emails on a Saturday.
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Kathy Scott: or Sunday, maybe worse, but sometimes I do because i'm just it's just so hard to keep up.
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Hong Lieu: I was like I hope your Union representative isn't listening.
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Kathy Scott: But I have this little thing that goes at the top of it, this is for Monday.
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Hong Lieu: yeah but sometimes folks don't listen cuz I know personally I don't like stuff hanging over my head, so when that email comes into my box like.
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Hong Lieu: weapon or do something at least because they it just.
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Hong Lieu: It just like sits there in the back and they're like periphery it's not like all the way in the front, but it does kind of I do think about like oh I should get to that because I don't want that piling up on Monday so.
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Kathy Scott: yeah that's true I did the same thing and i'm a bit different i'm like look.
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Akil Hill: i'm not even i'm not even deal with that until Monday.
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Hong Lieu: I wish that's a steal to me that the true skill, because, like I.
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Hong Lieu: I wish I could wall off parts of my brain that I can really kind of put put related my my mind, is always like get it done get it done get it done so it's not like like like piling up but yeah.
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Akil Hill: I mean also I think too it's about kind of working relations, you know, sometimes if I know it's something super urgent i'm in my boss.
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Akil Hill: I know if it's super urgent like around athletic eligibility time he'll send me a text over the weekend and i'm okay with that.
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Akil Hill: And so, then I know that that's kind of urgent, we should look at that, but if it's an email on my kind of like all right, you know it's an email, but if it's a text it's like are you going to handle that real quick.
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Kathy Scott: So.
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Akil Hill: it's true and.
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Kathy Scott: A lot of eligibility is one of the ones that will cause an email over the weekend.
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Kathy Scott: Yes, yes, what we write a keel.
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Kathy Scott: And i'm not very good at work life balance, I have to say.
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Kathy Scott: I need more of the balance in there, I spend too much time doing emails and I tend to work way too much, but.
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Kathy Scott: yeah that's The thing is, otherwise you go in on Monday and you feel like you have the weight of the world on you, because you know you didn't spend enough time on the weekend getting through emails.
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Akil Hill: yeah yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And I guess that's that's a question for me in terms of.
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Hong Lieu: Do you have any advice or kind of tips in terms of where you are now into like you had an idea of what kind of that elevated position would entail.
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Hong Lieu: You know and and now you're now you're like stuck in meetings it's like meetings emails and texts.
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Hong Lieu: In terms of your youth other side of you that wants to change the world, so to speak, you know, like in a very simple terms, is there some something that helps you kind of reconcile that or is it, do you really kind of get that kind of value from the meetings and the emails and texts.
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Kathy Scott: You know it's hard to remember a pre code world isn't it in some ways.
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Hong Lieu: yeah.
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Kathy Scott: Yes, it's like it's been so long since we've been doing this, so I mean back in pre coven you would go to meetings, but you would see people.
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Kathy Scott: You know and you've got it you'd walk around and you go to a different building and walk outside you go here you go there, different people different subjects.
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Kathy Scott: And now, when you're on zoom it's just one meeting after zoom after zoom after zoom after staring at the computer and.
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Kathy Scott: I get that you know a lot of people have had a lot worse problems and having to look at zoom all day, but it is hard you know it's wearing on on on people in a way that going to meetings was not to the same extent.
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Kathy Scott: yeah, in my opinion.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I mean there's it's very efficient, but there is definitely a limit in terms of how efficiency kind of feels to the human condition.
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Hong Lieu: And I can definitely see many ways, how it's too, efficient and and we may be moving to figure out kind of a way to step in and put in some human bear and say hey let's just.
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Hong Lieu: pump the brakes manually here and see what we can do to kind of balance things out a little bit, so I definitely see that there.
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Kathy Scott: Well, I know, and I like going, I mean one of the things are going to meetings and sometimes you talk before the meeting or after the meeting and you really get to know people let's walk over here let's go get a cup of coffee.
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Kathy Scott: And you kind of miss those things it's not quite the same monsoon and when when when you're new it's hard like there's some build buildings i'm like witness that.
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Kathy Scott: And I don't really even have the kind of sense of the campus that people do when they're there in person, you know only because i'm there for days a week, but I don't go I don't leave my office sometimes the whole day yeah so it's just very it's kind of weird it's kind of odd still.
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Akil Hill: i'm thinking about that makes me think about the trade offs right, so you know I mean i'm on campus I tried to come on you know i'm slated for like I think.
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Akil Hill: Two days a week, but I I try to come in four days a week, just because I just to be fully transparent i'm much more productive when i'm in the office, although I do like balancing doing laundry.
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Akil Hill: Sometimes and and and and working at the same time, but what I really think is so special about our campuses the Community piece and that's what i'm hearing from you is that.
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Akil Hill: You know, like yeah zoom is great, but you know to be in community with your co workers and and just picking up just being in each other's presidents, you know i'm in Hong and I meet up a few times you know.
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Akil Hill: You know, outside of work and it's not the same as how it is when we're you know conducting you know zoom.
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Akil Hill: You know interviews for for the podcast So while I like being in the comfort of my own home I also miss community and a lot of ways, and I think that's what I hear you what you're saying to as well.
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Kathy Scott: Now, I completely agree, I mean I like being people.
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Akil Hill: And I like.
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Kathy Scott: talking with people and seeing people, and you know let's go to lunch or and and kill I don't think i've ever seen you I mean I remember talking to you on the phone about an incident.
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Kathy Scott: When I first got here, but I don't think i've ever seen you yeah i'm you know so it's anyways and i've been here for a while and you seem like a really nice guy kyla.
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Akil Hill: Yes, we would be definitely friends and.
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Akil Hill: He believes next.
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Akil Hill: One is times i'll stop by and say hello.
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Akil Hill: I think that's what we kind of need to do and i'm looking forward to, hopefully, you know when spring semester, hopefully, our numbers can increase it will be on campus a little bit more and and so maybe some people would disagree with me that but i'm ready to go.
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Akil Hill: I go CAP is you know.
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Kathy Scott: yeah I agree.
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Hong Lieu: I know those conversations ongoing we're not gonna we're not gonna you know gentle people don't tell tales outside of school so we'll let you do your work, Dr Scott, but we look forward to seeing how things go.
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Kathy Scott: Wrong I think i've only seen you like.
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Kathy Scott: One of them was it beach.
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Hong Lieu: And, and my desk is my desk we actually upstairs and where you are so theoretically, we should have some random encounters walking through the hall, but we.
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Hong Lieu: there's just not that much we can walk through the halls anymore, because.
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Hong Lieu: Now I I sometimes feel like i'm making beautiful looks like sometimes i'll try to say hi to JASMINE but she's gotta like unlock the door and open it, you know and then like yeah so it's one of those things are now is go get my water from the water fountain that's.
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Kathy Scott: Unfortunate water fountains like what is it three feet from my office to.
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Hong Lieu: work you have the best.
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Hong Lieu: Water found in terms of me I haven't done a comprehensive ranking of all the waterfalls on campus.
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Hong Lieu: But That to me is the number one so far, because it has a water bottle filter and the filter there actually seems like it's been changed in the last you know, two or three years, like that water is Chris like I have one upstairs but I will always go down to.
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Kathy Scott: yeah yeah, we have to go, he was right there to you.
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Hong Lieu: yeah for you, you got a pretty good.
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Hong Lieu: So.
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Hong Lieu: So, speaking of a pre covert times, etc, etc, in terms of what brought you to SPC where were you before or what what what what was the path that kind of led you here and it brought you to us today.
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Kathy Scott: Sure, I started I started as a as a part time faculty Member at ventura college about 26 years ago.
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Kathy Scott: And I did that, for a while, actually, I had a job, where I work, four days a week, during the day as sales administrator for high tech company, and then I worked two nights a week at ventura college teaching the lowest level of English to.
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Kathy Scott: All esl students it wasn't an esl class, but it really was and then I taught two nights a week at cal state northridge, and so I am I have some empathy for the lives that are part time faculty how it's it's hard it's hard.
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Kathy Scott: But I did that anyways I became full time at venture, I became department chair became beam I ended up going to so I was there for 20 years about.
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Kathy Scott: yeah about 20 years i've actually been the system about 27 years and then I went to pasadena city College as the associate Vice President of instruction.
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Kathy Scott: And I was there for three years, that was a really good experience to because it's a big college it's a single college district like us.
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Kathy Scott: And then I went to i'm going I was, I went to long beach where i've been for the last four years, and then I retired on June 30.
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Kathy Scott: And then someone called me and they said, well, we have these jobs and we'd really like you to consider it and they said, well, we got this job over here, and it was somewhere in the La orange county region, I said.
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Kathy Scott: No, and then they said, we have we have this one over here, I said no, and I said, we have this one over here, I said no, and they said, well then there's Santa Barbara I was like oh no Santa Barbara.
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Kathy Scott: always wanted to work at Santa Barbara and I was like oh i'm gonna have to do it, I knew that second I was going to apply.
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Kathy Scott: I said, what do I have to do, let me see do you have to have your CV done in three hours your resume I was like yeah no problem.
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Kathy Scott: I will get it redone in three hours and get it to you and then within two or three days I was sitting in an interview, and that was it.
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Kathy Scott: I think it was a really good fit for me and for the institution because i've been an executive Vice President, I have a lot of experience, I could walk right in.
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Kathy Scott: And I just always wanted to be here, I just i'd never applied here before the timing wasn't quite right, but.
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Kathy Scott: When you work at ventura college you hear all the time about Santa Barbara Okay, you always hear in the new year they won the Aspen.
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Kathy Scott: And then you hear all these chancellor's office of words and you know this is one of the best in the greatest colleges in the system, no question.
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Kathy Scott: it's got a long history of being really good and there was no way I was going to bypass this opportunity, so I unretire I was retired for four days.
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Kathy Scott: But I had just been working at a college dealing with all the covert staff, so it wasn't like I mean I just went from one college of another with basically all the same stuff happening yeah.
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Kathy Scott: You know that is pretty much very similar from college to college, what are we going to do we're going to be wristbands you know all that was very, very, very simple.
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Hong Lieu: It actually having some precedent, it gives you a leg up because a lot of folks came into this, you know unprecedented know kind of idea of how to proceed.
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Hong Lieu: And the fact that you've done for actually does is a huge advantage and help probably helped us a lot I don't know you know, I was there for how the sausage was made and i'm sure it helped a lot so.
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Hong Lieu: You know I used to live near PCC I can attest that's a great campus as well in long beach as well.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, is there a kind of a secret to your success, or is it is there a little bit of luck involved or did you really have to kind of commit to it and, like kind of grind and focus on, I mean.
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Hong Lieu: Is there a path you know, in terms of for current part time back to your stuff looking to make that kind of jump is what does that process even like.
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Kathy Scott: You know I just always really love to students I just love being in class I taught the lowest level students at ventura, the ones who work there was a night class and a lot of them work during the day in the fields.
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Kathy Scott: It was, I mean I they were so excited about coming to class and I love that population, I always taught that population and.
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Kathy Scott: And I never saw myself as being an administrator ever I was just so thankful to have got a job as a full time faculty Member I was like so thankful.
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Kathy Scott: And then, a President, you know the so called tap me on the shoulder and said you would be a really good Dean and.
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Kathy Scott: i've tried to do the same thing for other people now because someone did that, for me, and I would never I didn't have the confidence to become a Dean, I just I would never have even considered it someone hadn't said something to me so i've tried really hard to do that with people.
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Kathy Scott: You know people that maybe they don't see themselves in certain walls i've mentored people i've done mock interviews with people to try to help them, because some of those interviews are really nerve racking and.
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Kathy Scott: And I get really nervous myself so i've done some of those i've helped to other people get Vice President of instruction positions.
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Kathy Scott: And so I I do think that's really important but.
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Kathy Scott: My other background is that I, my masters were which I did at cal state northridge it was an English but.
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Kathy Scott: All of my thesis work was in the area of African American lit and I did my thesis on zora neale hurston and I really loved that to that this day that's my favorite book their eyes were watching God.
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Kathy Scott: But I got a chance at ventura to teach African American literature, because there wasn't anybody, but me to do it, because no one else had the educational background.
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Kathy Scott: I mean we should have done a better job trying to recruit but, at the time I was asked to teach it and my first thought was i'm white what are they going to say.
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Kathy Scott: You know what are the students going to say and what are other people on campus going to say, and so I went and I talked to the African American history faculty.
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Kathy Scott: And even though I didn't need their approval, I wanted there Okay, I want them they talked to me about my background how I would approach the class this and that and.
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Kathy Scott: I went in with their blessing, so to speak, so I think you know that work really and the way that I taught my thought my classes, you know when I taught regular literature.
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Kathy Scott: Not not connected to that, but looking at accelerated instruction and how to help a lot next students get through English, the English sequence, so I tried to do work in the area of the Ai and it's been really important to me i've only ever been in the Community college system and.
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Kathy Scott: I can't imagine being anywhere else it's been very meaningful to me my whole life yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And I feel like I feel like use all those answers that you gave are really helpful because it's not like it was like a focus thing, where, like you, you took this.
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Hong Lieu: You did this like it wasn't like you, you did things to like further a point you.
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Hong Lieu: You kind of just went about things the right way, you know, like you, you asked for that cosine you asked for that cosign for you taught the class you try to help other people come up the way you came up it's not like.
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Hong Lieu: see a lot of times we do like we try to train and workshop things out and do things to that effect and that's it's almost to direct sometimes where.
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Hong Lieu: we're just teaching you how to how to live correctly and be good human beings counts for a lot and it just sounds like.
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Hong Lieu: you're just a good human being, wants to wants to bring people up like you got you came up, I mean.
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Hong Lieu: I mean that's right there's like that that's a big part of it actually just you need someone to take a chance on you.
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Hong Lieu: And the fact that you need people willing to take chances on the next generation of folks you know so just just knowing just just having that kind of paid forward mentality counts for a lot.
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Hong Lieu: You haven't you going to get a cosine from folks when you don't have to do that, but you just felt like it was the right thing to do.
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Hong Lieu: To kind of get get that kind of cosine I mean that counts for a lot just just having that conversation with folks counts for a lot when you know, regardless of what you do with any feedback you get.
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Hong Lieu: Just reaching out accounts for a lot so so those kind of those kind of like life skills and human skills, I feel like we don't have enough and it's good that you highlight those Nancy gave, so I do appreciate that, thank you very much.
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Akil Hill: You talk about a little bit is how you start as an adjunct and you know, and you know I deal with faculty.
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Akil Hill: that's one area to you know that I feel like you know we have to do a better job at onboarding and our faculty I mean some of the stuff that I get from them.
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Akil Hill: are questions that I get from them i'm like you know I wish there was a way if somehow we can you know, make them feel more included in the process.
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Akil Hill: As well as also recognizing you know the talent of you know people that are employed by our institution by moving them up and seeking them out saying like this person.
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Akil Hill: that's something that it that just really hasn't come into fruition all lot so it's it's refreshing to hear that there's people.
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Akil Hill: You know that are looking at it, I think you know when kendra it was on our show Dr Maria Maria was.
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Kathy Scott: Thank you, I appreciate your comments and hung I appreciate years to and and some of the best faculty we have our part time faculty.
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Kathy Scott: And sometimes people don't know how good they are because they don't have the opportunity to see them in the classroom and.
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Kathy Scott: When i've seen part time faculty and I evaluated them as a Dean Venter and I was like wow or even pasadena evaluated some part time faculty and it was just you just have no idea how great some of them are, and it would be you know I wish we had more opportunity.
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Kathy Scott: But another thing I wanted to mention that I didn't get in this other part was that I didn't go to school, until I was in my late 20s I didn't go to college until I was in my late 20s and I went to moorpark that I was a Community college student I didn't I transferred in my mid 30s.
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Kathy Scott: Everything always seems to be a little late, but you know I when I went to get my doctorate I was in my 50s and I had to think about.
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Kathy Scott: Is this going to even pay off what I pay for tuition is it ever going to pay off, I mean but it ended up paying out an awful lot because I don't think I would have ever got hired as a Vice President anywhere, without it, but.
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Kathy Scott: So I, I feel, in some ways i'm a little bit like our students and then i'm not I was a non traditional student I was scared because I was.
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Kathy Scott: You know I would go into school wearing a suit because I had to go to work afterwards and nobody else was there in a suit and I felt older than everybody, and it was just kind of anyway, so I have empathy for for for our students and what they go through.
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Hong Lieu: I mean my heart goes out to them, I just really admire the strength and the resilience because because it's easy to say okay let's drop one or the other but, but some people don't have that choice.
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Hong Lieu: So, to really kind of put yourself through that kind of grinder I mean I mean you, you did you did the thing.
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Kathy Scott: You know I didn't struggle, as much as a lot of our students struggle yeah and so yeah I have much, much more empathy for for for many of other people.
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Akil Hill: But also the piece that I think is important to mention about that is that That to me is what's so special about Community colleges that.
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Akil Hill: And then you have these dialogues and discussions in the classroom that it's so enriching versus you know you know the standard, you know I graduated from high school I go to the four year.
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Akil Hill: i'm 18 everyone pretty much around me is 18 but just that you know, like or even you know.
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Akil Hill: Another aspect is the international student component to is that now you're sitting next to students from Sweden and all over like it's so enriching and that's what's so special about the Community college that we, you know that that we work for so.
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Kathy Scott: No, I agree, I completely agree.
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Kathy Scott: Just I can't imagine being anywhere else and yeah it's it's amazing when I was teaching I would have students, I had a student wants it was I think 12.
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Kathy Scott: And all the way up to you know 60s and 70s and they could be in the same class, and you know all different backgrounds races ethnicities yeah it and always It made it everything never know what would happen on any given day, and it was it's.
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Hong Lieu: it's great yeah as as I, as I get older and meet me more and more people I see the the true value of of the knowledge of life experience.
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Hong Lieu: Just the things you go through in life outside of school outside of work just living your life there's so much to learn so much knowledge to gather in that respect.
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Hong Lieu: And I feel like you know Community colleges NSPCC in particular it just is it's just such a rich kind of.
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Hong Lieu: fountain of knowledge to be able to to be in class with folks that have life experiences that are you know depth and breadth that on a different level than yours.
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Hong Lieu: Or maybe you're you're providing that to someone else you know you got to mix the of 18 year olds, you know mid 20s late 20s.
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Hong Lieu: I have friends that just got their degrees, you know their their their 40 like me and just came two degrees some folks getting their PhDs and it's just.
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Hong Lieu: That life experience counts for a lot, and you don't let you know when I went to school, you know when I was 18 and it started college.
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Hong Lieu: I didn't think about it, that much because we were all kind of on that same level, where we were just kind of peeking out and seeing like living on our own, for the first time.
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Hong Lieu: And so, so having folks kind of had done that been there for a while and show you the ropes and say hey do that but don't do this, be careful with that, I mean that's all that stuff that's that's a lot of true wisdom right there as well, so.
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Hong Lieu: And, and I do, I will say that you know as great as it is that you do help kind of bring people up and with people up and give them that chance tap them on the shoulder.
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Hong Lieu: I wish, there was a system that was more kind of democratized where everybody gets that chance and it's equal.
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Hong Lieu: But you know until we get to that point, you know, hopefully in our lifetimes until we get that point again I do I do appreciate you you trying to look people are making that a conscious effort on your part, so thank you.
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Hong Lieu: And with that we will, we will kind of segue to our video portion which originally sky, you said you didn't you know you weren't sure, which means you want to share, but then you decided, you did have something you wanted to share so if.
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Hong Lieu: kick us off.
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Kathy Scott: Oh, Sir okay um all right, I told you, before we started okay I don't eat meat and haven't been made in probably about 30 years my I have a 23 year old 23 year old daughter has never had a burger, believe it or not.
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Kathy Scott: And I eat fish, and so I guess I eat what people call the Mediterranean diet, although what the exact definition of that is I don't really know.
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Kathy Scott: I have a bike I live by cal Lutheran university if you know what that is.
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Kathy Scott: But anyways i'm trying to ride my bike there's a lot of hills over there, which is why they're out there, because in the middle of nowhere but.
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Kathy Scott: So I try to I try to exercise now getting older, I tried to eat reasonably well I like to eat fish and vegetables and and that's primarily what I eat I guess.
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Hong Lieu: So, so are you are you a whole fish person or you just falaise when you say you eat fish.
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Hong Lieu: Fish or falaise.
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Kathy Scott: So I like salmon I like I, like most fish, you know each Ram.
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Hong Lieu: I will eat on it manually I mean my mom is the one who cleans the fish, because I that's that's a bridge too far for me, but but because she was like she's full blown like the scaling and then cleaning like boom boom boom very fast like she Let me try it but i'm too slow, too slow and.
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Hong Lieu: I never I don't think fish stink, but when you are D scaling and then cleaning them they do kind of smell a little bit, so I will concede that point.
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Hong Lieu: But yeah I do, I mean there's so much good stuff in the fish head and then, if you if you eat fried fish, like the tail part can be crispy you can snap it off and you'd like that little tail spot oh yeah.
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Kathy Scott: person I am I haven't done it I don't know I wouldn't be opposed to it, though, but I don't I would need a good recipe I would need to know how to do it exactly.
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Hong Lieu: it's it's easy to pick out bones in a steamed fish because, like yeah everything's the media squishy and the bone they're not.
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Hong Lieu: gonna get rid of them are and then fried is just yeah you can't go around the frame basically anything on this planet, so be frying a whole fish and then just just picking it afterwards oh yeah that's that's pretty much my.
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Hong Lieu: The part where you open up to clean it in the stomach area, you have to kind of peel it back and there's this like visceral poll that it's like it's it can be tough to do so.
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Hong Lieu: Like when you steam it i'll lay like scallions green onions on top with like a soy sauce soy sauce diluted water base and then frying is just yeah just fried as is and then maybe salt half.
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Akil Hill: to share recipe recipe for sea bass and I made a last weekend to share with you it's super simple it's just like.
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Akil Hill: I got the sea bass actually you can get at costco just you know some olive oil fry it up for like five or six minutes on each side and then just make a simple.
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Kathy Scott: that's gonnAkil me that sounds actually really good I love soy sauce but yeah and Brussels sprouts I mean they're cooked right they are fabulous.
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Hong Lieu: And I will I will give plus one to the Mediterranean diet, because when I was growing up everyone's always talking about if you want to live longer, there were two diets to files Mediterranean diet and open now and diet.
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Hong Lieu: extend your life, then sounds like you're doing all the right things you're exercising riding your bike you're you're getting outside you're eating eating good things yeah so.
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Kathy Scott: mean I love I love doing something like that, and then the keynote the front desk but all these spaghetti squashes and.
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Kathy Scott: yeah those look well I took one of the spaghetti squash is I haven't gotten to yet, but it looks yeah that's gonna be shot I don't cook one of those in a while, but yeah.
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Kathy Scott: yeah a lot of sponsors are like that the acorn squash kind of freaks me out tickets are afraid to cut it yeah.
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Akil Hill: The same way with kabocha to Hong.
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Kathy Scott: Well, aside from that, I mean if i'm going to go out I love Mexican I mean that's probably my favorite.
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Kathy Scott: And I was trying to think of the name of when I did go to one here in Santa Barbara early on.
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Kathy Scott: And it was really good, and it was a lot of fish, and I remember having this I had scallops I found the county is trying to get me over guys and scallops and it was really very, very there.
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Akil Hill: That, but now they don't have a patio.
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Hong Lieu: All right, so yeah Thank you, thank you, Dr Scott for sharing see the plenty yeah that was that was an excellent choice.
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Hong Lieu: yeah because the ares ares ares are we were more basic because i'm talking about teeth.
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Hong Lieu: You know, after after getting getting you know getting some shade about my high tea.
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Hong Lieu: I do want to like give a shout out to T as as a Chinese man, I feel like I feel like I feel like I should should give some love to tea which wasn't you know first drank in China.
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Hong Lieu: I guess thousand years ago, or 1000 BC supposedly someone had boiling water sitting under trees and we fell in it, and that was that was it.
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Hong Lieu: And for me, I feel like tea is is is nice, because the caffeine I love coffee, but I can't drink coffee all the time, because I, I do get pretty wired from it, so I feel like going to pace myself but tea.
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Hong Lieu: yeah so, so I do like the Chinese to wear T is a hot tea, but then in terms of like regular ice and really i'll go anywhere.
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Hong Lieu: Special shout out to Community which I first had in New Orleans it's a it's a company called Community, I guess, but there he has this kind of little.
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Hong Lieu: Like Pico hint to it that I really like community and then yeah, of course, the classic leptin PG tips all the all the regular standards but.
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Akil Hill: that's yeah yeah presidencies definitely.
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Akil Hill: If if you're a tea drinker you should definitely put that on the list and then there's two different types there's there's some sherry and then there's our Earl grey and Earl grey is definitely one of my favorites it's just really flavorful so.
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Hong Lieu: Throughout the world yeah Moroccan minty all the tea in China.
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Hong Lieu: I know even the American sweet tea and and and I see I feel like I see is a very, very good so in terms of high tea, if we are talking it in town, a lot of places will do it ever since on state street will do it my wife's pick she's the true expert she says Ellen canto the hotel up there.
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Hong Lieu: tease you know the biltmore yada yada she says on content in terms of you want that, like nice experience Ellen controls the one but.
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Hong Lieu: They just opened up a new bubble place can delete a combo China and evidently they have a location, also in La where I grew up in St Gabriel.
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Hong Lieu: So they're bona fides are there and they're they're boba is pretty on point so yeah and even even do the cheese phone.
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Hong Lieu: which a lot of folks were doing for a while, because it just sounds terrible like Do you really want to tea drink with cheese foam on top, I mean, but I think it's just a mistranslation as opposed to like.
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Hong Lieu: moose until you know they called various thing, but the first name needs to call it cheesy so are you going order I want the cheese tea and they'd be like yeah but but it's good so yeah how China and glean i'll put that in the show notes as well.
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Akil Hill: yeah where's where's the word and.
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Hong Lieu: Okay yeah so it's in there right next to the Pickles Pickles and Swiss francs that PIC also a sandwich shop right there.
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Akil Hill: I will definitely work that out yeah.
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Hong Lieu: it's pretty good I mean i'm an ice cream tea person I don't do the boba milk tea, but my wife, does the bowl of milk tea and she says it's it's it's up there in terms of the best in town.
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Kathy Scott: Yes, where's looking for.
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Kathy Scott: yeah my daughter is a fanatic.
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Hong Lieu: So whole child will be your bed a whole China, and I would say fresh tea that's next to you know boil and Greta and they're both and delete it and they're both probably your best best in town, I mean there's like basically it'll five boba.
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Hong Lieu: Always scratch the itch but the two absolute best in town be fresh tea with glitches phr fresh tea and then whoa chaya.
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Akil Hill: yeah i've tried for us to yeah.
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Akil Hill: Very good, it is, and if you're in like the voluntary area to like there's a spot in the collections on the way down there it's called boba time.
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Akil Hill: it's kind of right by the movie theater down in collections.
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Akil Hill: it's not bad, you know so that's another good spot.
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Akil Hill: I remember now yeah because we know we have a lot of people commuting to city college or their live in ventura as well, so um yeah I think it's boba time.
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Akil Hill: I got i'm taking everyone to West Africa shout out to West Africa Center goal.
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Akil Hill: i'm going coffee.
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Akil Hill: One of my i'm not a big coffee consumer, but this coffee, I will always drink and so it's called CAFE tuba to buzz a city in cynical.
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Akil Hill: It actually it's an to was actually an Arabic work but it basically translates as to felicity or happiness or so, hence the name CAFE tuba and it's basically.
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Akil Hill: it's coffee, obviously, but then it's roasted it's roasted with like close certain type of pepper called Guinea pepper grains of selman which is kind of like.
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Akil Hill: kind of like an hour don't say herb but it's from a tree that's indigenous to the area and then African nutmeg and it's all blended up together and then.
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Akil Hill: It has like a sweet kind of smoky pepper peppery taste, it is literally like the only coffee that I can like just drink black so.
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Akil Hill: I don't know where are you i'm trying to think, where people would get it from I mean other than probably Amazon, I mean you have to kind of like know somebody or maybe for down in La and you kind of hit up the you know the African markets.
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Akil Hill: CAFE tuba is literally one of the best kept secrets in West Africa it's a traditional their church traditional drink, I now, I also think they.
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Akil Hill: drink it in Gambia as well, but CAFE tuba is my selection for the week.
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Akil Hill: I was when I was in I was in West Africa, I didn't have the great fortune to visit cynical, but I was in winter tonia which is right next to Senegal.
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Akil Hill: And I didn't realize how close I was to the border of sin ago when I was in kiva, which is in motor tonia but.
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Akil Hill: I haven't got a chance to go there, but some of my dear friends are from Senegal So hopefully that is definitely on the bucket list for me to get there and but yeah that's my selection coffee CAFE tuber we can probably find a bag, you can basically.
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Akil Hill: fix it just how you would fix any normal coffee so.
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Akil Hill: that's that's my choice.
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Hong Lieu: In terms of the roast would you put it as like a darker roast lighter rooms.
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Akil Hill: it's more of a darker in between it's not super dark dark roast but it's not light so it's kind of in between, but it has like the flavors man it's just so it's really, really wonderful I can't really i'm trying to give like the best of its kind of like a sweet nutmeg bitter.
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Akil Hill: But spicy it just has it hits your palate on the right places.
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Akil Hill: So and i'm not a coffee guy but this Mike in time, some of my friends are in West Africa, like you'll bring me back to when that CAFE tuba.
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Akil Hill: And stuff, and so I was thinking this morning, my what am I going to share this morning and I looked in the pantry and I saw my friend just got back and he brought me some so my arm to talk about caffeine, too, but so you know that's what it kind of looks like over the years.
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Akil Hill: But.
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Akil Hill: that's the kind of like the texture.
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Akil Hill: So i'm you know, looking forward to Saturday I don't really drink it during the weekdays just because you know it's too much going on, but on Saturday and Sunday that's you know that's what i'm doing.
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Kathy Scott: Well, it sounded like an extremely lovely mixture.
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Kathy Scott: And that sounded great.
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Kathy Scott: And yeah let me know if you want to give me a sample sometime.
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Akil Hill: Absolutely.
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Kathy Scott: So i'm always.
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Hong Lieu: You know the CAFE du monde that chicory root coffee that that.
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Hong Lieu: had to coffee like that to do like like I really love the chicory coffee CAFE du monde with the vineyards in New Orleans with stuff it's great experience and i'm like you know, like.
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Hong Lieu: I say my coffee for the weekends, because I, I guess it comes from, maybe do some training, where I you know I drink tea like you know, because he has refills.
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Hong Lieu: So in the weekends, when I drink coffee I go to like diners replaces it gives me chills on coffee let's avoid CAFE in town.
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Hong Lieu: They have good coffee they use have a bar they'll let you have refills when you get breakfast so i'll drink like two or three cups which is great in the moment but by like two or three in the afternoon i'm crash now i'm like i'm out i'm out of gas.
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Hong Lieu: You know, like i've been i've been revenue to do art I need.
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Hong Lieu: I need to rest so that doesn't work during the week, but on the weekends oh yeah it's a good time.
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Akil Hill: yeah I mean, and also to the thing also, I think you know, obviously has been living in America is like I.
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Akil Hill: So many different things, and you start to think about your taste buds and what you're actually it's actually to me like if you're not constantly seeking out like different cultures and different types of food your.
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Akil Hill: Your taste buds are you're depriving your taste buds you know what I mean like I when the first time I took a SIP of that i'm like what is this, you know and.
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Akil Hill: If they're like it's coffee i'm I no way this is coffee because we're used to like starbucks or you know, whatever our general coffee is it's kind of like oh man we're depriving ourselves.
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Akil Hill: So you know i'm not endorsing Amazon, but I do know you can get it on Amazon so but but yeah it's just good opportunity.
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Hong Lieu: And it does bear mentioned that coffee culture really accelerated very fast like from like the MID 90s on like before that.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I mean my parents were drinking full it was folgers in like you know, like that was it folders and Maxwell house, whatever it was and then yeah Juan Carlos during the.
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Akil Hill: Should I remember the days go into the store my parents like you'll get some go get some soldiers, it was literally folders Maxwell house and then the black and white, maybe i'm dating myself but black and white generic and just had coffee.
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Akil Hill: It was.
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Akil Hill: And then again like you look now dude it's just like no wonder, people have anxiety about like.
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Akil Hill: Too many options there's like you would you want you want you want dark chocolate you want caramel you want, like all the options are endless now.
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Hong Lieu: I mean yeah folks the folks on the east coast that grew up in this subject for dunkin donuts like you gotta try the Duncan coffee, so I finally got to try the dungeon coffee and like tastes kind of like starbucks or like mcdonald's coffee now because because coffee is caught up so.
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Akil Hill: quickly.
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Hong Lieu: We get everybody has coffee now and they're trying they're trying to explain to me well you know Duncan was the only coffee in town.
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Hong Lieu: That tasted like this everything else was swill until we had this and that's where they started concerned with like.
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Hong Lieu: yeah thanks for telling me that, but I have no reference reference there so so and they're doing it sounds good, to me, so I don't need I don't need yeah but the dunkin donuts breakfast sandwiches are pretty good for the record So yes, well.
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Kathy Scott: I think agree with you, I think we are departing our taste buds because there's so many different companies to try and do we get stuck in a rut I am stuck in a rut.
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Kathy Scott: yeah there's you know that's that's the kind of thing I have on my bucket list trip when I actually retire is trying different coffees.
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Hong Lieu: And there are a lot of coffee places Oh, do you like coffee tasting so I know blue bottle in the Bay area they there roasting rooms are always doing tastings and stuff so I guess that is.
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Hong Lieu: That isn't the thing about to because i've done a lot of tea tastes, but I haven't done very many coffee tasting yeah yeah.
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Akil Hill: Well i'll definitely have to bring some by for you, then so.
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Akil Hill: Please yeah I will.
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Kathy Scott: If the light is on in my office knock on the door and i'll come and go, but unfortunately.
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Hong Lieu: Then all right.
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Kathy Scott: Now please that'd be great yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And, and in terms of something to bring with that coffee we're going to move on to higher learning, but then like you know a good piece of culture with a good cup of coffee.
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Hong Lieu: So, Dr Scott, if you want to lead us off again book movie TV show anything that's kind of moved you throughout your life it doesn't have to be within recent memory could be you know throughout your life there's one you want to talk about let's hear about it.
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Kathy Scott: there's a couple of things I would one is that the way that I taught that when I was teaching I really like to look at people living between two or more worlds.
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Kathy Scott: I that was how I themed my classes and the students really seem to enjoy that because I would theme it on things like you know that.
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Kathy Scott: That kind of gap between adult childhood and adulthood, or people living in two worlds, you know it's today it's called intersection ality back then I don't I don't know what it was called but.
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Kathy Scott: I themed my entire class on things like that, and I just I don't know I still look at, I still look at it and who's who's you know I look at literature from that lens.
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Kathy Scott: And there were certain things like this really liked about that, but I remember you know, there was a film called facing it about Vietnam in coming back and feeling like it was an African American writer you stuff and I can't and i'm probably not going to say his name right kuma yaka.
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Kathy Scott: But he wrote very first line of it is my blackface fades into the Granite when he's looking at the Vietnam memorial.
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Kathy Scott: And he talks about he thinks he sees himself in the wall, but then he's not sure he sees himself from the wall, but it really belongs on the wall, because his friends were all on the wall and.
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Kathy Scott: But I just always like that theme and.
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Kathy Scott: I don't even know what i'm going to say about that, but.
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Kathy Scott: Oh, and then Oh, and then poems like to live in borderlands.
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Kathy Scott: Where you're looking at people who live between different worlds.
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or.
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Kathy Scott: You know Gloria and answer to do and then pop more and so he says, where someone in an educational world is living between.
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Kathy Scott: This world over here with the women who are working in the cafeteria and this world over here, where she actually is some kind of.
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Kathy Scott: A new teacher or something like that, and she feels torn he doesn't really belong with the teachers and she really doesn't belong in the kitchen she's really torn between those things so.
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Kathy Scott: I just You know, as I listened to all the work these days when intersection ality I think about that and.
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Kathy Scott: Anyway, students back when I was teaching things they just really like that.
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Kathy Scott: So my favorite things I don't know I only get to talk about what i'm to.
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Hong Lieu: keep going.
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Kathy Scott: What we're here for you, I really liked their eyes were watching God, as I told you.
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Kathy Scott: My favorite short story is studies blues.
462
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Kathy Scott: Just my all time favorite short story.
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Kathy Scott: So I just really liked that and.
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Kathy Scott: And in terms of my work as an academic person and a leader, the book that i've really been paying attention attention to lately is this one, I know you can't see it but.
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Kathy Scott: And it's called money, the obligation gap and Community colleges and beyond, and really looking at the different kinds of gaps, the pedagogical gap and looking at how we say things, it is the obligation gap it's it's our responsibility to try to close that gap.
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Kathy Scott: I don't believe, as I don't think many of us do it on it's not the students fault it's up to us as educators to figure out what to do to help students and to meet them where they are so those are been books that have been really important to me lately.
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Kathy Scott: yeah I had done a lot of work with faculty and particularly my last College on trying to close the obligation gap and I heard.
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Kathy Scott: Your your talk with Dr Maria and I know that she's really been involved in this, too, but that's something that's really important to me and actually to the writers of this book.
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Kathy Scott: Dr Jennifer tillman and those that and JEREMY wallace I brought them to my last college to have them be the keynote speakers for that all college day.
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Kathy Scott: And to really talk about that, and so, when you're in a position of power, you have the ability to bring people on the campus to really do things that are important for everybody to hear and.
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Kathy Scott: So those are just a couple things.
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Akil Hill: Great yeah.
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Kathy Scott: Great i'm happy to talk about any of it, oh whenever you were talking to kindred about plus me ultimate.
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Kathy Scott: And also really liked the book albuquerque.
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Kathy Scott: By Rudolf again about a kid that's living between these two worlds.
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Kathy Scott: So, because I think in some ways we all live between one and two or three or whatever number worlds.
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Hong Lieu: Oh yeah.
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Kathy Scott: You know, we just do and that's that's America isn't it.
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yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And it's nice to have a term like intersection ality you can use to have these these conversations I mean for folks that are just kind of in it is just life you're just living, you know so it's.
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Hong Lieu: I, I wonder if there's ever a way to kind of move those discussions you know and and let people have those discussions in the moment, or is it something where you have to be kind of, on the other side of something.
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Hong Lieu: Before you can even look back and see that your life is is different because I know for me growing up, it was there was a lot of.
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Hong Lieu: of you know we like sections of my life were boxed off, you know, like walled off to certain pieces I had my school life.
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Hong Lieu: I have my work life, I have my life on my friends and I had my family life.
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Hong Lieu: And, and it was like so natural walls and barriers and things I would talk about and wouldn't talk about depending which which area, I was in.
486
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Hong Lieu: That was just so like second nature that I, I will I mean, even now, looking back on it it's hard for me to kind of.
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Hong Lieu: Talk about in any sort of like kind of Meta narrative sort of way.
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Hong Lieu: it's just you're in the thick of it and you just kind of you're doing it to survive, so to speak, or.
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Hong Lieu: or to make your life, a little easier because there are certain conversations I didn't want to have in my family that I could have in my friends and I didn't want to have at school, that I can have it work and vice versa.
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Hong Lieu: So I mean but but, but those but, but it was kind of stressful it's very stressful life, it can be damaging in certain ways, so if there was a way to have those conversations in the moment with folks were the way to listen, but.
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Hong Lieu: I don't know if there is even because it's yeah it's so much effort, just to kind of sustain that kind of existence that that the the additional effort to talk about it is, is a lot is a lot so yeah.
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Kathy Scott: yeah I really liked this conversations and students seem to like those conversations and I think I still think as a teacher, even though I haven't taught and in many years.
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Kathy Scott: But I still think of what I would do in the classroom with something when I read it and and and the students really live in these different worlds and how do we help them to feel that having these pieces is a whole, you know that they are whole and and.
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Kathy Scott: That that's what makes them really unique and special and and their experiences different than anybody else's.
495
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Kathy Scott: And I like.
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Kathy Scott: You know, having people read things with that reader response lands where what does your own background bring to any reading because your background changes the interpretation of any given week it.
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Hong Lieu: And shining a light on things you know yeah go ahead and kill.
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Akil Hill: No, I was going to say you know also that's you know, like like what you were saying on like.
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Akil Hill: We did back in the day I don't know if there was actually a term for it now, we call it intersection ality, but I think what is really to me the at the root of it that it's so empowering is the fact that we can see that now and recognize it and call it what it is.
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Akil Hill: Because before you know, like you're just in that space and you're not really knowing what is going on there and then it also to it's almost in liberating that we say okay.
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Akil Hill: You may be biracial you may be multiracial we see you for who you are in that space and we're going to realize like i'm thinking about my daughter in some regards my daughter's biracial.
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Akil Hill: she's half Japanese and then there's other all these different elements right and then so like the fact that we now are recognizing.
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Akil Hill: And we have a term for it and we're seeing people in those spaces, how they how they identify that's really empowering.
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Akil Hill: You know, because before like i'm thinking about me I grew up in the middle West in the 80s in nebraska i'm black.
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Akil Hill: But the crazy thing is my father was in the military was born in Japan everything in our House was Japanese.
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Akil Hill: People would come over to hang out and play with me, they would walk into my house, they would be like what in Earth is going on up in here so here you got this black guy in the Midwest.
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Akil Hill: With.
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Akil Hill: The influence of Asian culture, like all those are parts of me but, but the thing when you're young you just don't know that.
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Akil Hill: You know what I mean and i'm just fortunate that people have put the time in to research and studying and name that because I really think that's where the power lies, and you know.
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Hong Lieu: And I feel like you hit the nail on the head with a naming because I.
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Hong Lieu: I feel like even a story like 70s blues you know, presenting you with with that intersection ality at the forefront, because you know people used to read sonny's blues.
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Hong Lieu: and be like Oh, drug addiction that'll never happen to me i'll drug addiction that's that's all that's for.
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Hong Lieu: For folks over here folks over there, you know the you know, in terms of like at the time it was maybe the jazz jazz Community was a big big thing in that in that era and stuff but.
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Hong Lieu: But whatever it was, but now you know there's that universality to where you can you can you read it, not as a as a document of someone else quote unquote you read as a document of.
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Hong Lieu: Humans around you so so it's more of like it could happen to anyone and and and it's something where you needed a you know that you can prepare yourself for those situations, how can you empathize with folks in those scenarios, how do you, you know how do you.
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Hong Lieu: How would you react when it's something more personal than than simply like a third party account of something else you know, like.
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Hong Lieu: Bringing intersection ality to the forefront allows you to insert yourself into scenarios and that's a lot of times, where I when I was living out.
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Hong Lieu: hanging out with punks hip hop kidz this and that I was trying to live out, I know I was trying to not be a third party and you'll get third party accounts, I wanted to live and feel.
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Hong Lieu: What people were feeling in these communities, you know and and I feel like presenting materials with that intersection ality at the forefront.
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Hong Lieu: I feel like that that kind of helps break down some of those barriers in terms of.
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Hong Lieu: When when I am asked her the question of can you have these conversations, the moment.
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Hong Lieu: I feel like if you're if you're a problem with that and that's one of the goals of why you're presenting certain materials, I feel like you can have those conversations and, hopefully, people will be comfortable enough to share in those moments, you know so yeah.
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Akil Hill: And then the piece to i'll just say this Lastly, when I was thinking about when you're saying, drug addiction it's also worth mentioning like.
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Akil Hill: You know the in the 80s right when you think about drugs you think about what you'd like dare you know you think about the height of the epidemic of the.
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Akil Hill: crack cocaine, but now look, I mean drug addiction can mean a lot now in 2012 where people we know people are literally addicted to opioids and over the counter and all that so.
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Akil Hill: Again, like it that story, you know when you're looking you're reading it or you're revisiting and you're thinking about oh so when strung out on drugs well.
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Akil Hill: It looks a lot different in 2012 and it would in 1980 you know and the way that we see how people are on drugs to as well, I don't know, maybe we're.
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Hong Lieu: yeah.
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Hong Lieu: A little bit yeah and it's it's it's not so much different as more common.
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Hong Lieu: You know, because yeah it's a nice blues felt like you know a thing, where it's like the narrator's perspective on the friend that he meets you know sonny's friend that tells them, you know, like.
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Hong Lieu: Like sonny's friend broke it down for the narrative because narrator was not familiar with that world.
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Hong Lieu: And said, you know Sunday Sunday is going to get locked up Sunday is going to be a lot of trouble he's going to be going through all kinds of crazy stuff with.
533
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Hong Lieu: With all these things and, like those were kind of pride, I mean the point the The goal of the stroh is probably to present kind of a foreign topic because.
534
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Hong Lieu: It was probably well known in certain circles like you know, like I said the jazz circles and this and that.
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Hong Lieu: But it probably was not well known to the general public, so in terms of publishing a short story like that.
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Hong Lieu: It really got that word I like hey this is coming, you know this, this is something that is going to be a problem in our communities.
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Hong Lieu: And we need to kind of get in front of it, you know so so just having those kind of voices and and and.
538
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Hong Lieu: Putting that voice out there as not just this is what's going on in our Community it's this is what's going on in our Community, this is, this is a you know, this is all of us we know.
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Hong Lieu: That we are all part of this of this interconnected web of human existence so so yeah I mean it when you any being able to present those kind of things like that, I mean it's very important.
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Akil Hill: So I suggest.
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Akil Hill: Dr Scott, like whenever like we start to return back, and I think it would be worthwhile if we can be cool to have like kind of like a book club and read.
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Akil Hill: Some of these some of those great literature and just have discussion when things start to kind of open back up, I think that would kind of fun to do.
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Kathy Scott: You know, I think that maybe we can focus on intersection ality.
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Kathy Scott: um and look at some of these you know some of these poems you know i've been around for a long time, I was teaching these poems ages ago but yeah we didn't name him at the time, but you know what does it look like what does it look like today.
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Kathy Scott: yeah because it's really interesting and yeah I would love that looking at these blues and and yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And for my short attention span poems short stories oh that's right in my wheelhouse like I can still read it participate some simple book or bridge too far for me, nowadays, but.
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Kathy Scott: You know, there was another story and I can't even remember the name of it at this point, but there was a story of a guy who grew up in a Latino community and.
548
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Kathy Scott: He goes off to school and it goes to Harvard and he comes back to visit family and he's so change that the family, the whole Community looks at like who are you.
549
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Kathy Scott: yeah and.
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Kathy Scott: And he's he's really lost part of his culture, which in some ways, is what happens to the narrator and settings blues and.
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Kathy Scott: And you know just it just the disconnect he has you know, he was forever changed from that experience the educational experience and.
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Kathy Scott: You know some of our students are or have that you they're afraid that you know school is going to change the way that they see their families and their friends see them.
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Akil Hill: yeah yeah.
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Kathy Scott: yeah yeah anyways yeah i'm all in favor of that all help we'll do a intersection ality book club poems and short stories preferred.
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Hong Lieu: don't do anything my account I would appreciate it, but no, I mean there's there's plenty of folks that have that have the you know ability to persist and keep going with it, but yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Thank you very much, I love those PICs i'll get them on the show notes so folks can kind of sample as well, because a lot of them are poems and short stories that you can kind of get through pretty reasonably quickly, so if we folks get on board all right all right i'll go next.
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Hong Lieu: It is a Filipino American history month, so I wanted to give a special shout out to this, the musical pick.
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Hong Lieu: Because there's a genre music that I grew up with that I really enjoyed and people used to make fun of me a lot of for enjoy but but it's a joint kind of renaissance.
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Hong Lieu: When when I say the word freestyle a lot of folks think of hip hop but in a brief period in the late 80s early 90s, there was a dance movement.
560
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Hong Lieu: Music called freestyle kind of originated in New York and Miami but it it kind of had a little a little seed in the Bay area as well.
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Hong Lieu: And it's kind of like they called it like high energy music or something like it was it was an offshoot of discover, it was kind of like disco meets electronica so it was kind of not very cool music for a lot of people like.
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Hong Lieu: When I all my punk friends, when I was like Oh, this is this freestyle means like that is terrible give that away from me and even my friends are in electronic dance music video edm at the time.
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Hong Lieu: It was like and that ain't it because you know disco was still kind of maligned and it's not disco disco, but it is disco like a Jason so.
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Hong Lieu: But the barrier a contingent of freestyle artists, a lot of them were Filipino So if you if you ever heard of jocelyn and rick is jocelyn rica's is looking artist she had a couple nights in the mid 90s, but.
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Hong Lieu: Do you miss me is like your big big one, that they had a million remixes up.
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Hong Lieu: And there's a lot of offshoots a lot of a lot of Filipinos from that Jonathan rica's family tree like you know they're not related by blood, but they came up in the same kind of recording studios.
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Hong Lieu: Wednesday buffy there's a boy group in Chi in a song called say you'll stay that was like every like early 90s dance, you know school dancer you rat but so there's a lot of these like like unforgotten little threads and stuff and.
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Hong Lieu: it's not a music that inspires a lot of installed and a lot of people, you know if you weren't really in a glorious Stefan or like you know, like stevie be debbie debbie all those all those like foundational freestyle artists.
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Hong Lieu: This is like the second generations of folks that I really like we're really like looking out for the second generation.
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Hong Lieu: But it really held a special place in my heart, because I really loved a lot of this a lot of this music and.
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Hong Lieu: i'll do what I can to put some like video links stuff in the show notes, but it but in terms of for Philippine American history month I wanted to give a shout out to these folks because.
572
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Hong Lieu: They were a big part of my life, you know my high school life growing up, and I would never discovered them if not for the fact that.
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Hong Lieu: Before the Internet, there were what's called bbs is Bulletin board systems.
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Hong Lieu: And I called one it was would you use your modem and you dial directly to places in La to other people's computers and you would access files and message boards and stuff, so this is pre Internet.
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Hong Lieu: U dub and visual computers that people run them and the guy that ran this Bulletin board system that was called demons down in La you know, whatever.
576
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Hong Lieu: But I would call him and he would chat with me and say hey what's up man, you know, and we would meet up, you would have meetups regular basis kind of get to know, everybody.
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Hong Lieu: So all the members of the board, we get to the meat, so they were all in the cars, even a breakdancing like I was a punk kid punk off, you know that's I was not into this kind of stuff.
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Hong Lieu: So it was a good way for me to get back to kind of some of my kind of Asian roots, because you know a lot of Asian kids that I knew were in the cars and breakdancing stuff.
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Hong Lieu: So the bbs meetups got me into that and then his dad was a DJ and he spun freestyle.
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Hong Lieu: So they got an kind of freestyle so so it's all these weird kind of connections, we talked about intersection ality like me me on these various groups like the same kind of deal but.
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Hong Lieu: that's what got me into it and I was i've been hooked ever since and i'm still down so yeah i'll put i'll put some links and i'll try to drop some knowledge and folks because it isn't it's still pretty obscure but, but he did have a moment.
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Akil Hill: Nice.
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Hong Lieu: i'm gonna kill.
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Akil Hill: i'm excited to check that out because I mean other than stevie B then i'm kind of left out the loop on that so i'm i'm definitely looking.
585
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Hong Lieu: At be debbie debbie.
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Hong Lieu: To cover girls yeah there's just text me some stuff text me some stuff.
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Hong Lieu: I will.
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Akil Hill: I get that and I have to wait for the show notes.
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Hong Lieu: yeah you're probably gonna be like this stuff kind of terrible.
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Hong Lieu: Without them.
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Hong Lieu: Yes, okay yeah i'll send you some stuff.
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Akil Hill: So my PIC i'm actually gonna do something a little bit different I kind of woke up today and.
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Akil Hill: I you know I looked at my Facebook page, and it was a two year anniversary of my trip to Turkey.
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Akil Hill: So I wanted to talk a little bit about that I.
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Akil Hill: Think it's yeah it's two years to the day, you know, there was a Sydney the reminder two years ago, this is where you're at and so.
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Akil Hill: You know roxanne and I.
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Akil Hill: went to Turkey, two years ago and.
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Akil Hill: just some of the places, you know I think i'm a big component and a believer of traveling you know, especially you know, for you know people from.
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Akil Hill: From our country and America, like you know there's so many there's a snot out that you know it's the greatest country on earth, and yes, that may be true.
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Akil Hill: But it's not only until you leave it do you really understand what is actually here or Secondly, what you truly appreciate right and so by traveling I think that's the quickest way of tapping into that you know, and so a couple years ago we had.
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Akil Hill: We had booked some tickets to Turkey, and because we both kind of always kind of wanted to go there and it was just an amazing trip, we started off in Istanbul, we were in Istanbul for a week.
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Akil Hill: We saw you know we went and visited all the great places in Istanbul like that the Hydra Sofia.
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Akil Hill: The cup I can't pronounce my Turkish game is not non existent, but I think it's called top COP key palace.
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Akil Hill: And that has, you know that was where all the soul times and from the Ottoman Empire lived in just the architecture, the colors the design it's just.
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Akil Hill: it's spell bounding you know, and so we were there for a little bit, and then we went to konya which is kind of central Turkey to the high speed train there.
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Akil Hill: We went there to visit a roomie room that's where you roomies Barrett most people know him as a poet, I mean when she was in so we went and visit him and then.
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Akil Hill: Then we went back to assemble for a couple weeks, but there's a couple other places within konya that we went and visit a place called silly where the Greeks and the Turks lived.
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Akil Hill: For you know hundreds hundreds of years and it was really cool they had the inside inside these caves where that carve out, they have underground cities and stuff and.
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Akil Hill: It was just i'm just kind of like going down memory lane, and I just would tell people look if it's not on your bucket list.
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Akil Hill: to travel to Turkey, look into it, or at least put it there because it's this one year dollar, the dollar goes a long way to just the historical.
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Akil Hill: Being in that place that is so ancient as in Turkey and it's just this was a special trip, and so you want to talk about intersection ality like people didn't know what to do with you know my wife and I roxanne and I.
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Akil Hill: You know they're like looking at me like trying to figure this out, you know, like where are these he's black she is the people don't use for most Pakistan.
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Akil Hill: But people were trying to figure out like How are they they're Muslim but they're not but what like it was totally I everywhere all day on the street trying to figure this out.
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Akil Hill: So I left with the conclusion of that people probably thought I was you know, I was her bodyguard or something you know, so we kind of joke about that, but.
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Akil Hill: Man I like hopefully when things start to open up and people start to feel a bit more comfortable about traveling you know if it's in feasible for you, I mean shark is one of those special places where you can be in Asia and Europe on the same day so that's my pick.
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Akil Hill: My thoughts around Turkey.
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Hong Lieu: And from a food perspective it's the birthplace of donor kebab so.
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Hong Lieu: yeah owner donors, as such a big kind of impact, you know, like I have German friends and friends in in in that part of Europe and they everyone is donors, like the late night foods on terms of the home of donors, this is Turkey as well, so.
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Akil Hill: yeah yeah.
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Akil Hill: So that's my PIC and just I miss traveling you know i've no.
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Hong Lieu: Are you a traveler Kathy, are there any kind of spots that you've been particularly memorable.
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Kathy Scott: Let me think about um i've never been to Turkey that sounds kind of.
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Kathy Scott: extravagant i've been in Japan um that was interesting.
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Kathy Scott: I felt pretty out of place.
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Akil Hill: I was born in Japan and i've traveled extensively in Japan, and I know what I know that feeling Kathy.
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I don't know.
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Kathy Scott: yeah you go into stores and you try to find something and it's like all the dairy looks whatever it looks to can't find anything and.
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Kathy Scott: yeah it's very different so, but that was enjoyable and i've been to New Zealand many several times and I had never been to Europe until like two years ago.
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Kathy Scott: And took my daughter there and I also haven't been to Washington DC my whole life and I went when I was in my 50s and that was crazy, it was so shockingly beautiful I just I had never.
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Kathy Scott: I had never been there, so maybe what I could get from you, since you're both such good storytellers and seem to have traveled a lot, what would you suggest, when I finally do retire, what would be the first place I should go.
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Hong Lieu: akil has the has the knowledge of World Travel because i've done a lot of traveling inside the US, but in terms of outside of US i've just been to you know Vancouver Toronto.
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Hong Lieu: Mexico City Tijuana and then you know, London and Paris that's the extent of my World Travel so i've never been to Japan, I never been to another country.
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Hong Lieu: So, but but i've been i've done extensive travel in the US, I did two road trips I did la to Vancouver and then la to Toronto so there's two weeks and in three weeks, so I got to see a lot of the country here but.
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Hong Lieu: But I wouldn't recommend retiring anywhere and a nice and a lot of those spots so.
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Hong Lieu: So akil might be where you're at and.
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Hong Lieu: i've had a lot of friends tell me.
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Hong Lieu: Portugal and.
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Hong Lieu: Interestingly enough, where.
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Hong Lieu: Were they thinking about retiring and Portugal, but yeah no frame of reference for you there how about you he'll pick a retirement spot what would you go with.
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Akil Hill: A retirement spotter a place to travel, I would say if you're looking for a place to travel, I would highly recommend Turkey on that list, I mean i've traveled you know, like a lot in West Africa, like Morocco and winter tinea for a while, been to Dubai Saudi Arabia.
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Akil Hill: I like Morocco a lot, and in particular fez in Morocco, I felt like I left a piece of my heart they're just how it is the same way with Turkey, what I really loved about turkeys the dollar stretches along way.
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Akil Hill: Like also not when I went and did the money exchange on my arm and i'm living.
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Akil Hill: Good Turkey, and then the hotels it's safe.
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Akil Hill: And then, just the historical the I don't know if you guys have really looked at the aya Sofia, but that was just I just couldn't like.
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Akil Hill: I walked in that place and that was like I was almost hit by like a like a like a like oh no I just felt overwhelmed by this the magnitude of sheer beauty of that place.
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Akil Hill: You know, and then just stunning beauty in Japan was is good, too, but.
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Akil Hill: I just feel like i'm trying to go somewhere where I can get the most out of my dollar and Turkey is definitely one of those places.
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Akil Hill: And there's so much to do, like there's all the old Greek ruins and because Kappa dholakia the hot air balloon rides if you're into that there's just so many different places, and so I would I would lean.
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Akil Hill: towards Turkey, but Morocco was another good place for that I felt really connected to, especially the old city of Morocco, the old capital affairs and Casablanca wasn't too much of a fan of but Turkey your daughter goes a long way, so that's my that's my PIC.
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Kathy Scott: yeah The other thing is that i've always been a being in the instructional side of this this work that we do i've never been able to go anywhere in the fall.
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Kathy Scott: i've always had to take vacations in the summer so.
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Kathy Scott: yeah i've never been to the east coast.
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Kathy Scott: In in the fall ever.
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Kathy Scott: Just was never possible so i'm going to do some of those things and in Hong Where would you say in the US, because I i've traveled somewhere in the US, but not.
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Hong Lieu: I I really I mean, although I will say in the summer, the humanities just crazy that I mean I don't know when you went to.
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Kathy Scott: nc but.
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Hong Lieu: I imagine is pretty humid it feels to.
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Kathy Scott: me know when I went home, it was it was so exciting, I was at a conference I was at a title five grant Conference, because I was a director on a title five Hispanic serving institutions grant and so that's where they have the conference, and it was it was the peak day.
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Hong Lieu: Of the cherry blossom season oh.
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Kathy Scott: Well over I took a million dollars that's great.
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Kathy Scott: um it was so so beautiful.
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Kathy Scott: yeah I just lucked out.
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Hong Lieu: Absolutely DC is definitely up there, for me, in terms of US DC is such a such a melting pot, I mean there is very can be stratified where the communities are very delineated or you know you're jumping from one of the other.
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Hong Lieu: But the same time, the fact those committees, cannot but up next to each other is beautiful I loved Atlanta, I mean basically most of the big cities on the east coast, you know, like Philadelphia New York New York City New Orleans.
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Akil Hill: is no good.
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Hong Lieu: Evil city yeah I mean, but even now, a lot of the cities that have come up in the last 510 years like Denver salt lake city all those towns are really nice I hear.
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Hong Lieu: You know I went to Boise ones in Boise surprise me, but how how kind of progressive and really nice it was there, so I mean yeah.
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Hong Lieu: it's one of things I do love to travel, but the road trips like.
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Hong Lieu: It will take it out of you like, I went with I went with friends that i've known since high school, we were we've been friends, for you know 2030 years at the time we've been friends, for you know 510 years by then the both trips I hated everybody in that band, but then you.
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Hong Lieu: Know like.
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Hong Lieu: And then, when you get home you kissed the ground.
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Hong Lieu: kiss the ground where you live at you know but but yeah those are Those are two of the greatest greatest trips in my life for sure so it's one of the things we're in the moment like oh God, when will be over.
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Hong Lieu: But now I look back on your family every time because it's just one of those things where i'll never be able to do it again, I will have that time.
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Hong Lieu: But it was like really kind of incredible incredible that I could go that long without showering but also incredible that we could get get through and get to those destinations, you know, make it back in one piece, so to speak, yeah.
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Akil Hill: I just remember when I was a reminded me a story about kissing the ground and showering when I was in Mauritania.
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Akil Hill: It was literally like basically you find to know walk shot, which is the capital, and then you took like an eight hour car ride in the morning.
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Akil Hill: To a small town called keef and it's like right through the Sahara it's literally one road both ways eight hours in the middle of the desert and.
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Akil Hill: One of the things that I wrote that was so when I was flying back home, I was thinking about how the children in kiva in the school that area that I was in were so present and, and so, how they didn't have as much material.
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Akil Hill: You know, like materialistic Lee they didn't have as much as what we our kids have, but they were so present and so alert and so.
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Akil Hill: Like it just kind of reminded me i'm like wow you know I just felt like there has been, you know, a job that's been done on our youth where there's so many distractions taking them away, you know but.
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Akil Hill: I just remember, I was grateful to be home, but also, I felt a sense of back to the kind of race, the rat race, so to speak, you know so it's through the opposites it's always to the opposites, do you really kind of understand the thing you know.
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Hong Lieu: Yes, so thank you, thank you for that akil and thank you, thank you, Dr Scott for taking the time I know we're.
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Akil Hill: A.
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Hong Lieu: little late today before we say goodbye is there anything you'd like to kind of quote unquote plug or mentioned before we say goodbye for the evening there.
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Kathy Scott: I don't think so, but it's been a pleasure you two are really knowledgeable.
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Kathy Scott: i'm really impressed by you.
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Kathy Scott: I you know I just i've just been enjoying the College so much i've been here a little over three months at this point and it's been I came to have an adventure and it's been an adventure.
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Kathy Scott: And I just really you know, every time I get a chance to go to another college, I think you know my life is will ever forever be changed from the experience I had there.
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Kathy Scott: And I definitely feel that way about this, you know Santa Barbara is beautiful but you know the people at the college or have just been so welcoming and Nice i've just really enjoyed it so.
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Kathy Scott: i'll just i'll leave it at that and I remember I just put the name of that story about the kid he goes to Harvard i'm just gonna stick it in the chat so you can add that to your list finally remember the name of it.
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Hong Lieu: Is it darker shade of crimson.
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Hong Lieu: No.
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Kathy Scott: Okay i'll talk to your body oh.
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Kathy Scott: And by his they are Moss and so i'll stick that in there.
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Hong Lieu: i'll find.
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Hong Lieu: i'll get in the show notes that have any yeah and you and your three three months, with three jobs that's.
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Hong Lieu: comes out to like nine months so you're in good shape, I will say they've been dog dog.
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Akil Hill: dog years now we're.
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Kathy Scott: Talking hours.
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Kathy Scott: hours but yeah it's been great it's been great and I always wanted to have a chance to be here and I can't believe I got it so.
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Hong Lieu: it's it's we're honored we're honored to have you both on the show, and at the College, both you and.
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Hong Lieu: You have been doing.
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Hong Lieu: Doing wonders and and we hope you stay as long as as long as you'd like so.
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Kathy Scott: On your show is great I listen to song before I came on, and this is super i've never seen anything like this to be doing it.
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Hong Lieu: Without without without guests like yourself, and a co-host like akil, we have not yet, so thank Thank you all.
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Hong Lieu: And until next time this was Vaquero Voices - take care, everybody.
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Akil Hill: See you guys.