Akil and Hong welcome John Connelly to the show! John is the director of the Atkinson Gallery here on campus, and along with discussing the gallery and how students and community members can come visit, the trio also touch on topics ranging from one's "curatorial eye" to Japanese food, Ke Huy Quan, Robert Glasper, and various things in-between.
Mentioned in this episode:
Atkinson Gallery - http://gallery.sbcc.edu/
Andrea Rosen Gallery - https://www.andrearosengallery.com/
Felix Gonzales-Torres Foundation - https://www.felixgonzalez-torresfoundation.org/
“What is America?” Show - https://www.independent.com/2022/03/13/what-is-america-at-sbccs-atkinson-gallery/
SUNY Purchase - https://www.purchase.edu/
Email the Atkinson to learn more about parking - http://gallery.sbcc.edu/
Atkinson Gallery Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/atkinsongallerysbcc/
Santa Barbara Museum of Art - https://www.sbma.net/
AD&A Museum UCSB - https://www.museum.ucsb.edu/
Izakaya Full Moon Ojai - https://www.fullmoonojai.com/
Rory’s Place Ojai - https://www.rorysplaceojai.com/
Sun Sushi - https://www.sbsunsushi.com/
Santo Mezcal - https://www.santomezcalsb.com/
Bell’s Los Alamos - https://www.bellsrestaurant.com/
SY Kitchen - https://www.sykitchen.com/
Kazunori - https://www.handrollbar.com/
Shalhoob’s at the Market - https://shalhoob.com/public-market
History of the Smash Burger - https://www.bluemaumau.org/story/2012/03/26/real-story-smashburger
Shoreline Cafe - https://shorelinebeachcafe.com/
The Land Shark - https://www.landsharktours.com/
Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler - https://www.octaviabutler.com/parableseries
Kindred by Octavia Butler - https://www.octaviabutler.com/kindred
On Tyranny - Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century by Timothy Snyder - https://www.timothysnyder.org/books/on-tyranny-tr
The Book of Hope by Jane Goodall - https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250784094/thebookofhope
Vanderbilt: The Rise and Fall of an American Dynasty by Anderson Cooper and Katherine Howe - https://www.harpercollins.com/products/vanderbilt-anderson-cooperkatherine-howe?variant=39314559729698
Downton Abbey - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/downton-abbey/#
The GIlded Age - https://www.hbo.com/the-gilded-age
Getty PST Program - https://www.getty.edu/foundation/initiatives/current/pst/art_science_la.html
Cochineal Stolen from Aztecs - https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2015/julyaugust/feature/red-all-over-how-tiny-bug-changed-the-way-we-see-the-world
Harmonia Rosales Show - https://www.museum.ucsb.edu/news/feature/929
Through Vincent’s Eyes: Van Gogh and His Sources at SBMA - https://www.sbma.net/exhibitions/vincentseyes
Antiques Roadshow - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/
Santa Barbara Urban Flea Market - https://sb-urban-flea-market.business.site/
The Persuaders - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Persuaders_(R%26B_group)
The Independents - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independents_(vocal_group)
The Brothers Johnson - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brothers_Johnson
Rose Bowl Flea Market - https://www.rgcshows.com/rose-bowl/
Old Town Antiques - https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Antique-Store/Old-Town-Antiques-SB-223790854704577/
Everything Everywhere All at Once - https://a24films.com/films/everything-everywhere-all-at-once
Ke Huy Quan - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0702841/
Wong Kar Wai - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Kar-wai
Dark Metropolis: Irving Norman’s Social Surrealism - https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Metropolis-Irving-Normans-Surrealism/dp/1597140414
Pasadena Museum of California Art - https://www.lamag.com/article/pasadena-museum-of-california-art-closing/
The Photograph Original Motion Picture Soundtrack - https://open.spotify.com/album/4SndzVji10UbsG89tvlAJ3
Robert Glasper - https://www.robertglasper.com/
Terrace Martin - https://soundsofcrenshaw.com/terrace-martin
The Current: Minneapolis Public Radio - https://www.thecurrent.org/
Dua Lipa - https://www.dualipa.com/home/
Atkinson Gallery Internships - http://gallery.sbcc.edu/internships.html
Federal Work Study Eligibility -
https://www.sbcc.edu/financialaid/federal_work_study.php
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Hong Lieu: hello, and welcome to another episode of SBCC Vaquero Voices - a podcast highlighting the unique voices that comprise our campus culture and how we're all working together to serve our students and the community at large, as usual i'm joined by my co host akil hill.
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Akil Hill: or a school yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And today we're honored to welcome john Connolly to the show welcome john.
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Akil Hill: Welcome john.
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Hong Lieu: Please so you're the director of the atkinson gallery in the humanities, building on campus.
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Hong Lieu: And in terms of I mean i'm sure you came from other art galleries before or worked in other art galleries before you came to that consent.
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Hong Lieu: Is there a huge difference in terms of running the day to day of a gallery that's on campus versus a net gallery in the Community or is he kind of very similar in a lot of ways, or you know I guess just expand on that a little bit of good.
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John Connelly: Yes, it's it's there's a big difference I.
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John Connelly: I started out working in galleries after I graduated undergrad in the early 90s working in galleries and so commercial galleries.
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John Connelly: I graduated into every session so it was hard to find a job at first for scout they work for closed after.
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John Connelly: A year and a half, that I was working there, so I was on unemployment for a year and I was going to Grad school and I got a job at another gallery and work there for almost eight years and.
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John Connelly: started off as the front desk person just you know greeting people answering questions doing labeling slides things like that and move my way up to being an artist liaison where I helped the artists with running their studios and doing consignments for museum shows or gallery shows.
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John Connelly: And then actually became one of the directors, with the gallery.
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John Connelly: And while I was there I started creating my own exhibitions under the name john Connolly presents and I was doing that in New York in sort of different spots around the city.
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John Connelly: sort of the nomadic curatorial project, and I was introducing artists that at the time didn't have New York representation to a New York audience and it was a basically a lot of series of three person shows cleverly like that dynamic.
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John Connelly: And so that's you know, that was a commercial galleries that, and so we were selling art and that's how we survive.
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John Connelly: it's a lot about nurturing the artist's career.
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John Connelly: getting them into a museum shows connecting them traitors etc.
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John Connelly: I did ultimately leave my director ship at the country rosen gallery I opened my own gallery and I have my own gallery in New York for 10 years so.
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John Connelly: That ended when I took over the directorship of the Felix Gonzalez Torres Foundation, which is an artist that was represented by Andrea rosen gallery and an artist that I worked closely with for two years before he passed away in 1996.
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John Connelly: And when I moved to Santa Barbara I left that position and came here and for about four years was doing art advising advising building collections curating independently.
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John Connelly: And then I saw the position for the directorship here at the atkinson who have been here come here on number times, particularly liked roughest bars as show that I saw here in.
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John Connelly: and apply for the job and was hired in August of 2019 so had about six months of programming before coven hit, and so we had to sort of pivot but so it's been.
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John Connelly: A learning experience from day one in terms of working in a academic institution versus a commercial environment.
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John Connelly: But then also having to deal with the whole coven situation so it's been it's been challenging for everyone, but that that's been my own personal challenge for the last two and a half, almost three years now.
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Hong Lieu: So, so in terms of an academic gallery versus commercial gallery is the big difference that, like the selling of the pieces, not as important or is that a big part of.
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Hong Lieu: The work not analysis.
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John Connelly: I mean we do we do sell some support, help fund the gallery, but it's not our primary mission, our primary mission is to.
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John Connelly: Support the students and support the Faculty and support the Community both on campus and off in terms of getting them.
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John Connelly: involved in the arts and getting them excited about the arts and getting students to see real life examples of what they're learning in the classroom things like that, and so we are sort of still nurturing of supporting artists careers, but not as intensely it's more of like.
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John Connelly: This is what's going on out there in the world and we're sharing it with people rather than trying to make a break, you know, an artist career.
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Akil Hill: I had a quick question for you, you talked about earlier about the the three person dynamic you prefer that or you really like that can you like spend a little bit on that I was kind of curious to know why you prefer them that method.
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John Connelly: it's not a it's not a preference purse for per se, I mean it's something that I like I like the dynamic and I don't um it's something about it, that when you're curating and you're putting three artists together and creating a dialogue, having three different voices.
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John Connelly: Just creates that the diversity of voice that I think is important it's just something that I started experimenting with early on, with my.
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John Connelly: My program and it's just something that i've continued with the last show that we had here was called what is America and it had field, since all those tourists.
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John Connelly: Can log on, and so we webinar so three artists and similar generation three artists addressing American identity in their work in very different ways, so I think.
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John Connelly: In that sense that's a good example, but we will be having a two person artists to alumni in the fall so it's not wedded to just the 3%.
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John Connelly: exhibition, and we also will have a works on paper show, with at least five or six artists, so I like the big group show dynamic as well it's just I enjoy the sort of intimacy three threes three's company.
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Hong Lieu: I can definitely relate, because I did two shows a little while you know around there and sometimes you'd have like five or six band bills.
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Hong Lieu: And it'd be it'd be hard to kind of like it'd be a lot for people to take in and for you know for for just just the art in general, just it's a lot of bands.
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Hong Lieu: So, like a two three band bill is really tight you get each artist gets kind of a moment to shine and then as as.
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Hong Lieu: Someone listening or someone attending the show it's easier to kind of taking like boom boom boom, as opposed to like it's almost like overloaded times when it's too many so, then I see I see we're trying to find that that sweet spot.
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John Connelly: And that's a good analogy yeah.
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Hong Lieu: So I guess in a lot of ways, it sounds like you're like the Platonic ideal of an art gallery like you get to take the current like the need to sell out of it.
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Hong Lieu: And you can really work on the curation you can really work on like fostering that artistic like ingenuity and show them like the true kind of purpose of like.
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Hong Lieu: The galleries here to exhibit and to kind of get this are out in the Community and it's less about trying to like push it on people to kind of.
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Hong Lieu: You know, sell something to meet a bottom line or two to really keep these are as alive, where they're still kind of up and coming.
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Hong Lieu: And hungry just create so that there's some pretty cool to me just just listening, how you describe it, but I don't know if if that's what the reality is or if it's just you know it's got its own darkness as well i'm sure.
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John Connelly: there's always.
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John Connelly: unique challenges each job, but no, I really love to curate that's the way that I feel like I can be creative I I.
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John Connelly: You know I consider myself an artist sort of but I I I didn't want to be an artist and knew that early on and took my first art history class my undergrad my freshman year I worked at the metropolitan museum of art and actually the Van Gogh gift shop at the time.
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John Connelly: that's when I decided I fell in love with art history, and I want to just study our history, but the school, I was going to was fordham University, which is in the bronx in New York City, which is a Jesuit school, it was great it was one of my best teachers were the Jesuits but.
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John Connelly: The student body was little conservative and so I realized, I wanted to be around more artists, and so I transferred to a school called suny purchase, which is in westchester county.
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John Connelly: Which is about 45 minute drive from the city and when I was in the bronx it was still like a 45 minute.
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John Connelly: You know ride on the subway to downtown so it's equally distant from city, I was around a lot of creative people they have great program in the Fine Arts but performing arts film.
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John Connelly: And then they have their local you know the sciences and everything there and great facilities so it was one of the best decisions I ever made actually because.
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John Connelly: Even though it was a state school and I was paying out of state tuition it was still more affordable than the private university and it's going to the city.
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John Connelly: And yeah I was really happy with that decision, so I did take our classes, while I was there in in tandem with my artistry classes and.
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John Connelly: When I actually discovered the concept of curating I know they had a in the program at suny purchase.
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John Connelly: and your senior year year or you could create a show at their museum, if you your your proposal was accepted mine wasn't accepted so I was kind of devastated, this time, but I went on Chicago.
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John Connelly: challenge and.
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John Connelly: Actually became a curator and again that's the way I feel like I could be created by bringing these different voices artistic voices together just make a statement or two.
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John Connelly: Just to show off, you know what's being with what's out there what's being done with I think it's interesting.
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Hong Lieu: To kind of kind of speaks to like the ability to zoom out on your life, like in that moment that that that matt moment was probably devastating there.
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Hong Lieu: And then, like your ability to pivot and do something else with it in the Grand scheme of things it's like now, just like a blip on the windshield live in the moment is probably like everything.
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Hong Lieu: But you being flexible working with it, I mean look and look at which card after yourself, you have a career path you know, like everything everything's good you know so yeah it's.
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Hong Lieu: it's it's kind of a good lesson for students, that are coming up like those moments that you think are so like they are very profound they are very important.
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Hong Lieu: But in terms of the magnitude of effect they have in your life like one's life is very long, you know, like it can be, if you let it.
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Hong Lieu: And and yeah you can just as long as you keep pivoting and keep going and keep keep grinding to you know put out of the way, like things will work out at some point, you have to work out, you know so yeah.
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Hong Lieu: So the current show going on it's just wrapping up is the the student show right, could you speak a little bit more about what about kind of what's going on there and it with the kind of premises, you know of what what folks are submitting to you know.
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John Connelly: And what's an exhibition that we have every year or annual student exhibition.
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John Connelly: always happens in the springtime.
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John Connelly: We had to push it back a little bit this year because of the oma cron surge in early January.
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John Connelly: Actually, this is the first in person, students, show that i've worked on, since I started, you know and almost three years later.
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John Connelly: And so that was interesting for me i've never really worked on it well i've worked on shows this large but.
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John Connelly: You know so many moving parts it's it was it was interesting and getting the students engaged and getting students to apply was a bit challenging the coven and covert fatigue and things like that.
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John Connelly: So it was an interesting interesting experience but i'm really pleased with the energy of the show, and I think get a good turnout for that opening and.
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John Connelly: We also always announced our scholarship awards ortiz during the ceremony, and I was really pleased adopted MURILLO was able to come and attend.
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John Connelly: And we have a president President, Presidents award purchase the word so she chose to pieces, for purchase through the foundation that she will be putting in her office, so that was it was great it was great time.
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Hong Lieu: So I guess when when they weren't in person, where you just kind of like doing it through zoom be like a camera person that would go round or how would you kind of.
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John Connelly: You know the first year we just cancelled it out right because that was April 2020 and things were just really the second year, we had we just had it online.
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John Connelly: Which turned out to be really, really a great experience and we had some really great submissions and then this year was the first year that we're back in person, since 2019.
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Akil Hill: Can you tell people where you're actually located, so I know, sometimes people can be like where's that at.
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John Connelly: yeah that's one of our biggest issues a lot of people to a know that we exist be we can't find is if they know they exist.
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John Connelly: This even if they've been here before there's a you know, a black of signage there's a sort of lack of way finding in general.
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John Connelly: around you know a lot of things, but particularly the gallery so we're in the humanities building we're on the second floor room h2o to.
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John Connelly: A little confusing because the humanities building is three stories and it can seem like the ground floor is the first as far seems like the second floor is the first floor but.
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Hong Lieu: it's yeah i've run into that a lot.
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John Connelly: yeah so.
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Akil Hill: Why is it like that.
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John Connelly: that's the way the building was designed I don't know the building was built in 1975.
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John Connelly: The Galileo was named after one of the first full time faculty members whose name was Charles atkinson I think he was hired in the mid to late 50s passed away in the late 60s.
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John Connelly: And they named the gallery after him when it was the building was inaugurated building was renovated in 2013 2014.
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John Connelly: And we're we have a beautiful 850 square foot space we have an 850 square foot terrorists that looks over the Santa ynez mountains it's really a gorgeous location, and you know truly is a jewel box of the College and anything to get the word out about that we exist.
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John Connelly: There are various hours are Monday through Thursday 11 to five and Fridays from 11 to three.
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Akil Hill: That patty you have you been there on that.
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Hong Lieu: path oh yeah.
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Akil Hill: Like you walk out and it's like I hadn't even.
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Akil Hill: had never been, and then I went and I I was shocked like you walk out on that patio and it's just like what the views actually studying.
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Hong Lieu: It is a beautiful building it is, it is a wonderful kind of area.
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Hong Lieu: I guess I guess that a question, if you or someone from outside, like students can come and visit the gallery, you know they know where to park and stuff but if you're coming from.
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Hong Lieu: Just a Community Member Why is he the pieces in the gallery what's the best place to park what's the best kind of like navigation, I mean he's going to park in the student lots download.
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Hong Lieu: and walk up or can they park in the east campus labs for certain amount of time or what what's the gym below that and then.
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John Connelly: yeah that's a great question and another issue that we've sort of phase specially in the past, the parking was a huge issue before covert.
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John Connelly: People that wanted to come to the gallery to to be able to park closest to the gallery, would have to.
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John Connelly: notify us that they were coming are still do they can get a parking pass so they can parking lot I think it's one day or when be down here by the winslow Homer outlook.
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John Connelly: what's called me.
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John Connelly: We do have two dedicated two or three dedicated parking spots behind the vanities building.
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John Connelly: So the for some reason the parking lot is called student parking lot or employee parking lot i'm sorry um.
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John Connelly: We do have three spaces available in the back so there's always parking and then also by the medical building need is the student services building there's 30 minute needed parking as well.
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John Connelly: And i'm i'm working on a one of my goals is to work on a new map you to guide people as a parking and even when they come on campus universe, the two entrances so.
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John Connelly: That ultimately they go to the West campus entrance versus the East campus campus entrance so it's you have to because you have to pull all the way around to get to us so there's a lot of challenges there.
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Akil Hill: Full disclosure I was ticketing, and when those spots before.
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Akil Hill: I couldn't find any parking I get I was like circling the warehouse circle around and then I.
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Akil Hill: I I was like oh.
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Akil Hill: Oh, and he acts and go yeah yeah.
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John Connelly: yeah I got a ticket there.
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John Connelly: I couldn't find parking one day and I was just like I have a meeting I got a.
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Hong Lieu: Even they're not calling okay so i'll put i'll put the links in the show notes, you know, to the gallery website and email address because it's worth seeing the galleries a lovely space humanity buildings, a beautiful building, but the galleries just a lovely space.
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Hong Lieu: yeah and and all the exhibits that i've i've ever seen have been just just really nice in there, so.
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John Connelly: yeah and just in general, we have about up to six shows a year, you know, international, national and local artists fair it totally varies, we have three we averaging about six artists talks that we sponsor a year now three per semester.
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John Connelly: And then we have other other programming as well, so there's a lot going on to when we're in the process of trying to update our website as well.
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John Connelly: that's a great way to keep in touch with us, we also have a Facebook page, which is linked to the instagram so it's usually both.
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Hong Lieu: Something but in terms of as a curator a curatorial I are just like to increase someone's appreciation of art, are there any tips, you can give like i'm a lay person with our I can look at a piece and kind of like I have feelings about it.
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Hong Lieu: But in terms of like a curatorial I or just a just expanding my third eye a little bit of how I view, are there any like kind of basic tips, or is it just kind of getting in there and getting exposed to as much as you can and figure out what you like individually.
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John Connelly: Yes, I think that's a great question I when I graduated undergrad I started going to galleries in New York, and so there was a few guys Chelsea at the time.
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John Connelly: And I was really puzzled by contemporary I was like what is so you know I get it, and I just kept looking you know and talking to my friends talking to other artists reading art magazines reading the paper reviews and the paper.
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John Connelly: And slowly you starts to you realize that these artists are making art that is commenting on what came before in a new in a new way usually.
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John Connelly: For instance, when I ended first interviewed for the gallery, that I worked for for eight years under heroes and I was in the director's office or the owners office, and there was a piece by an artist named Andre as a tell who works with.
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John Connelly: And so it was it was truly a thing of design that you come up with for saving time like taking a shower and washing your dishes at the same time and.
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John Connelly: That piece really stuck with me and I just found that those things that are you know are strange sometimes are the most interesting and then can really pull you in.
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Hong Lieu: So I guess I say when that in my next question in terms of you coming from New York and coming to Santa Barbara in terms of how did you kind of adjust to the not lack of galleries, but the specific focus of most galleries to be like just coastal landscapes, like a lot of.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, did you just have to get out of the city or just have to like kind of create Dar where you can find it in town here or.
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John Connelly: it's hard, because to get around in La it just takes so long, so we find that we we do is we just targeted neighborhood get really focused and you know just go to the galleries in that area or the museums and eaten that area and then leave.
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John Connelly: And if you time it right, you can get home, you know, an hour and a half hour to 45 minutes.
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Hong Lieu: But you just got to find oftentimes and you're really doing it the right way, because we're a lot of folks do go wrong is they.
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Hong Lieu: They have like a list of the must see things I have to do in La and they think Oh, and they look on the map oh it's only 20 miles away 25 miles away, we can definitely go here and go here.
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Hong Lieu: Because that's really how I when I grew up was able to explore because I wasn't driving that you can imagine how that having a carnal age nightmare So when I took the bus I had to be really like.
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Hong Lieu: And then take the bus back so it was it was all those things where that that was really where I was able to stretch myself and certain neighborhoods at a time.
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Hong Lieu: It really made the city feel smaller, which was nice, because then, I had a good awareness of various places, and I could.
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Hong Lieu: I could kind of connect the dots but just for folks is traveling in i'm doing weekend at La Let me try to go from.
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Hong Lieu: You know, West Hollywood to East la to sunset junction it's like you're going to have a bad time and then those are the folks are like I hate a leg and it's like.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I mean I definitely understand where you come from, but it's like yeah you have to be a little more nuanced for sure, because you in the nfl in New York, the same way.
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Hong Lieu: The subway is not dropping you right off where you want to be so you're taking the subway to walk somewhere, you might need to take a bus connection to like it's it's I felt I felt a lot of similar vibe knows when I was in New York for a little while to.
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John Connelly: yeah and usually, when we're heading into la you have to like an appointment you're late and so that's always frustrating to the traffic but coming back usually we try to break it up and we stop it like westridge for for dinner, and so you make it like you know.
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Hong Lieu: akil is the master of the on the way back from La he's got like thousand oaks spots that are like he's got like yeah read woodland hills, you know, like II II.
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Hong Lieu: II there's little dots along the way, that akil can definitely do the right way to find find that find that good food stop on the way back.
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Hong Lieu: So I guess well might as well segue to our food section.
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Hong Lieu: john if there's any meals you've eaten recently around town or anything you've cooked recently or anything like a deal that you ate growing up or something that kind of speaks to you that you want to want to share with the show the show.
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John Connelly: um well I love sushi and I find that there's not create sushi selections here in town, there is our favorite sushi places in oh hi I don't know if you guys have been there it's like it's kind of full moon.
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Hong Lieu: And they're very good they're they're pretty new I think I think they've only been open for a few years, I want to say.
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John Connelly: They stopped doing that, and they were taking reservations, for a while, but the reservation system didn't seem to work for them so now, you have to go, we actually just went there for my 10th wedding anniversary.
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John Connelly: And we got there, I think, for 35 or something four or five o'clock seating because you have to you have to go and stand in line unable to be sure that you can table so it's it's quite popular and really great great sushi really great mooney.
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John Connelly: So that's when my favorite places I don't know if you've been to for us yet in Ohio just oakland and then the playhouse we had dinner there for my birthday back in March, and that was really great was quite a quite a scene, you know but.
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John Connelly: Those are my to play probably current favorite places in Ohio I did discover a new sushi place it's not new but it's new to me it's called sudden sushi on upper state.
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John Connelly: And there's a former faculty Professor named RON Robertson and his daughters just donated some work through the Foundation to the College, and so I met with them at his storage space to choose a few works and one of the daughters is a.
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John Connelly: chef chef ED shoes to run the sojourner her will be the chef the soldier topic.
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John Connelly: So she recommended that we go to some sushi so we just went there for the first time, recently, and I thought that was pretty pretty good.
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John Connelly: And then there is um let's see well I like I like I love Mexican food, but like sentiment score is pretty good, I think that we go there a lot are used to have it's always pretty crowded.
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Hong Lieu: folks from out of town they usually go to sit on this couch with a nice kind of outdoor seating good vibe and like good location it's really nice.
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John Connelly: bells and Los Alamos and that's why kitchen in Sandton ends, but I mean I don't have any secret secret spots that nobody knows about.
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Akil Hill: So the next time you're in La there's you know i'm a big sushi guy I was born in Japan, and so I.
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Akil Hill: You know roxanne and I went there I took her there, and she was like you know talking a little bit about.
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Akil Hill: I have high sushi standards and this and that she's given to me i'm like listen, you know just wait just wait, are you sure it's gonna be good next thing you know she's on the phone and texting her mom.
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Akil Hill: This is the best sushi i've ever eaten so next time you're not like look for those two spots you'll definitely be pleased.
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Hong Lieu: Are there certain dishes that you feel folks have to recommend if they go there, because a lot of folks might just be going there once and be like it's to pack on coming back, but what, what do you folks have to hit they go to some of these restaurants, that you that you like.
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John Connelly: Well, that I do any had role at it's a kiah is really to die for rory is Emily not one, so I don't really have a go to.
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Hong Lieu: can't go wrong with the to each other, that is, like so good, I mean yeah you say you did you say you didn't you don't have any secret spots, but the all the restaurants, you outline are pretty much like a.
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Hong Lieu: Like upper Echelon in terms of flavor in terms of all the restaurant the tally bells is just doing amazing food right now, and the people that bringing in that predatory Barbecue stuff that he pop ups around the area.
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Hong Lieu: that's why kitchen is is kind of new but, just like they really been really knocking things out of the park, I mean settle miscavige little guy.
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Hong Lieu: Then the other one is a guy and I haven't been to worries at all I don't know much about it, I definitely check it out my wife's grandmother down oh hi so you out there, quite a bit actually that kind.
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Hong Lieu: All right, thank you for those PICs i'll definitely put them on the show notes, because, like, I said that is a fount of knowledge for folks that want to eat, like some of the best restaurants in town, like you, pretty much nailed all of them are fixed.
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Hong Lieu: I will definitely get all those in the show notes and.
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Akil Hill: burger joint that just newly opened in the public market menu is fairly simple they kind of specialize in smash burgers so you get the crispy edges.
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Akil Hill: And that's that's my choice super good spot I would what I think the single is to patties right on and that the double is three patties.
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Hong Lieu: And those $12 so we talked about how about top shelf that's that's kind of get into that upper level for a burden for me turn that off, but I guess with inflation and stuff I guess I should.
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Akil Hill: The eliminates really good from shout lose don't overlook it but it's just classic burgers you know it's for Santa Barbara it's kind of hard to find that smash burger crispy edges not too many places that can do it right.
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Hong Lieu: They don't put tomato in it, they don't let it and I love this match but you're not seeing any bad about it but it's like ipas you know, like like we were la was not a beer area so.
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Hong Lieu: it's like 80 90% ipas and I, and I do like ipas but you know this pills nurses and sour beer and the like, I feel like ipas and smash brothers are just like the gateway that entry point and then like that there's room for other types, but.
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Hong Lieu: There the the best match burger in town, so if you do like smash writers, are you like a general it's definitely the spot, but yeah I did I didn't I didn't want that to become I like point for a rant about against against the smash but.
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Hong Lieu: I I have, I have a couple classic places not nothing, nothing to best ever anything but.
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Hong Lieu: we've been going to shoreline CAFE a lot, which is right by us bcc you know right on the harbor yeah in terms of.
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Hong Lieu: We wanted a place that still does outdoor dining that you know pretty pretty good food with a diverse menu that everyone gets something and yeah my wife and my son and I we go to shoreline a lot.
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Hong Lieu: He said right right by the beach in terms of bringing folks from out of town to Nice place to go and and you know as a good history, etc, because you could you could walk down there get lunch and come back and make it within that.
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Hong Lieu: yeah you can call definitely you could definitely call in order walk down pick it up and walk back, but yeah if you're eating there then yeah you better like it becomes a meeting at that point so.
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John Connelly: We go to shoreline all the time and I hadn't been here since 2014 and never been there, we always thought it was like a diet, I didn't think David had a bathroom.
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John Connelly: And until I started working at here at the College and my husband he grew up with me so he had never been there as well, and so now we end up going at all times it's like he's the food squirrely know find the food you get a great drink.
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Hong Lieu: And in terms of in terms of eating somewhere that's connected to the beach like you talk about henry's.
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Hong Lieu: hendry's is a great place to end a good view of the beach, but if you're trying to like eat and then like hang out on the beach it's it's kind of a it's kind of disconnected you know you can't go.
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Hong Lieu: But if I because I have an eight year old son, so if I sit down at a table and he wants to go play the beach, you can run to and fro and I can keep an eye on them like it's easy to see.
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Hong Lieu: Like if I take him a hendry's there's like a glass partition where i'm trying to like peek over people like waiting in line of stuff so.
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Hong Lieu: In terms of that beach restaurant connection it's a seamless transition, so I really like that, and then they do like they do the nachos and they have the grilled fish, and then they you know they have.
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Hong Lieu: And that chicken mayonnaise is it's like just like a cilantro beta kind of simple marinate but the way that that you can hit with a nacho because i've tried to knock this out be trying to be like save a couple bucks or something.
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Hong Lieu: it's a it's a reasonable discount where and it's it's a smaller portion so it's more sensical for for you to eat just a plate of nachos but yeah those nachos if lb down.
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Hong Lieu: And I just yeah I never bought there's two two things that I thought were tourist traps and it really turned me around.
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Hong Lieu: shoreline cafes one of them were like I was like I don't I don't either, where do I live right by the beach anywhere and it blew me away because just the experience was was was good for me and my son, and then the land shark.
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Hong Lieu: The land shark I was like you'll never catch him in the last part that is like no way, no, but I did Atlanta shark with a large group, and it was pretty awesome like.
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Hong Lieu: In terms of like entertaining and and because you can you bring your own alcohol bring your own whatever whatever you know libation you're using new vibe you bring your own so it ends up being very cost effective as well and it's the night, they do a nice round so.
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John Connelly: where's the lamp stack i'm not sure.
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Hong Lieu: If the if the half boat half car, so they do like the tour, you know really drive upstate.
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John Connelly: So you just bring your food.
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Hong Lieu: Well, if you if you have like a group, like you know you get like a you know, a large group, then you can bring whatever food you want whatever drink, you are they have I have coolers.
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Hong Lieu: And they just.
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Hong Lieu: They do the land shark tour while you're just hanging out there, and you put the music playlist on, and the fact that they go in the water is about to go on land.
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John Connelly: With my nephew and he knows it's kind of fun yeah.
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Hong Lieu: So so yeah just even the tour is nice, but when you get it with a big group in China, like a party like in terms of holiday parties knew that like I was like no you never catch your lunch hour, but now, like every time that's my first suggestion like.
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Akil Hill: yeah he.
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Akil Hill: Has the one yelling at the cars.
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Akil Hill: Halfway off the boat dude.
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Hong Lieu: I i'm the one that's that you know, like yeah okay I because I like to get down, but I like to you know I I kind of hold it in and and I tried it yeah I try to protect others to.
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Hong Lieu: I feel like I owe that to be well you know that's what I get, for you know certain a drink too young.
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Hong Lieu: All right, signaling say as a segue into our culture piece.
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Hong Lieu: john if you kick us off again any.
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Hong Lieu: Any kind of peace book music movie TV art anything that's moved your music that you want to want to share with the group.
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John Connelly: um well i'm i'm really slow reader.
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John Connelly: But I have a bunch of books, I have my my table.
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John Connelly: start a big SCI fi fan, so I recently discovered a trivia Butler I read the parable of the sower reading kindred now oh yeah for my birthday I got a couple books.
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John Connelly: one's called on tyranny 20 lessons from the 20th century by Timothy cider it's the illustrated version and it's a.
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John Connelly: it's about how to resist authority or terry's ISM in the 20th century, using a lot of examples from the last 20th century it's kind of interesting everything from Nazi ISM to communism.
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John Connelly: And then the the person that game that book she's like read this one first and then read Jane goodall's book the Book of hope.
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John Connelly: So that's what my desk I haven't started it yet another gift I got was vanderbilt the rise and fall of America dynasty about cornelius vanderbilt I don't know if you guys are.
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John Connelly: downton Abbey.
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John Connelly: That kind of crowd, but if you haven't watched gilded age it's a.
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John Connelly: And then I have some books that were reading related to our our getty pst project that we that we have going on, we received a grant from the getty foundations do an exhibition in 2024.
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John Connelly: For the Pacific standard time project they do every four or five years and the theme this year are coming up in 2024 is art and science in La and we propose an exhibition around indigenous knowledge is and the intersection with contemporary art.
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John Connelly: And particularly around natural botanical dies and weaving techniques and the relationship to indigenous Cosmo visions so.
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John Connelly: You know i'm reading everything from like the history of coach Neil, and how it was stolen from the aztecs and 1520 and change the whole history of art.
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John Connelly: When it was brought to to Europe to this oral history of native American gardening that was done in the turn of the century in the early 1900s so Those are the kinds of things that i'm that i'm reading right now.
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John Connelly: And then, in terms of shows, I would say that's Mona Kuhn show at ucsb and the harmonium Rosada show they're coming down soon, so if you guys haven't seen that I would definitely go see that.
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John Connelly: This weekend I think it's coming down, really, really soon.
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Hong Lieu: At the at the galleria ucsb.
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John Connelly: Yes, the DNA museum.
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John Connelly: And I haven't seen the Van Gogh show there's to save them.
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Hong Lieu: I still haven't been either it's it's been pretty busy but i'm I think i'll go on a weeknight nice check it out, because.
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John Connelly: right here it's really amazing I mean it's got a great reviews from.
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Hong Lieu: It is one of the things where like you see paintings in pictures and books and things of that sort, but to see them in person and it's kind of.
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Hong Lieu: You can actually see some of the brushstrokes and and just kind of the lay of the land of it really is.
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Hong Lieu: Very amazing especially like larger murals and things of that sort of like amount of work to make some of the larger murals that you see kind of as like little postage size stamp pictures and books and then you seem like holy cow that's unreal.
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Akil Hill: yeah I think I when I was in I was in New York Winston went to moma and saw starry night, and I was looking at it and I was like I can't believe that's really it.
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Akil Hill: You know, because you just see it so like in Sweden places, but when you're actually looking at the original and you just like exact really it I can't believe it.
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John Connelly: that's the cool thing about paintings, is that there's they're completely one of a kind, the other one like it in the world and have a big antiques roadshow nerd as well, so whenever whenever the paintings can happen like that's gonna be the biggest the biggest haul.
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Akil Hill: hey so do so, do you ever have you ever been into the Santa Barbara flea market it's the store on state street that has just basically like a flea market.
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Akil Hill: it's like a vintage like 1970 vibes the whole bunch of different.
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John Connelly: yeah I love it.
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John Connelly: And she bought a print there that I found of a Russian grey hound I think I actually advise clients in the collection so so I bought it for for collection paid very little for it, but it had some condition issues but yeah there was one other thing for you had a good find.
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Akil Hill: There yeah I found some a couple of paintings.
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Akil Hill: That i'm still trying to figure out like more about the artists, but they look like they were done it totally has that art DECO 1960 vibe so i'll send i'll send them to you to see but totally in love with them got them for still there, like $60 apiece.
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Akil Hill: But then she gave me a little bit of discount but I love stuff like that, like you know just flea markets finding our stuff like that is just such a good thing you know upcycling I guess is what.
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Akil Hill: They call it right, is it upcycling.
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Hong Lieu: And anti with music it's like digging in the crates know you dig in the crates yet to get the yard sales and.
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Hong Lieu: Like oh man, so you know it's good to have that I for things.
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Akil Hill: And then you try to play a cool like like it's not special but you know, like.
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Hong Lieu: yeah and you always do the new stories like someone pulled out like an old Picasso they didn't know they had in the back of the garage sale, so you always have to be that.
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Hong Lieu: Old records to like some people don't know the values and the goal of the records are like the punk 45 were like you know there's.
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Hong Lieu: there's like other the pilots corner my son saying let's throw it out here, take them all and those 40 fives are worth a lot because yeah that.
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Hong Lieu: The limited pressing the fact that Muslim got destroyed and then like yeah the fact that they were they were like people abroad appreciate them a lot in terms of owning those.
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Akil Hill: Those copies as well you know I I talked to my mom that's one of the things i'm like yo that record collection, you know.
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Hong Lieu: My mom's got some.
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Akil Hill: Of this way.
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Hong Lieu: She would bring records into play when we were at the library and some of those, like those that will then I would buy copies after I saw I saw her record i'm like Okay, I need a copy it's like the persuaders independence.
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Hong Lieu: All those old artists were like yeah yeah your mom's got some classics.
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Hong Lieu: brothers Johnson record she got.
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John Connelly: yeah and sometimes they don't know what they have like even in New York, I to the studio visit with an artist and he told me.
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John Connelly: In this Chelsea flea market there were some warhol flower prints and he saw his friend his friend was like go, you should go buy those they're going to say that they're not real that they are, and so he went over and he bought them and they turned out to be real yeah so.
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Akil Hill: I love stuff like that.
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Hong Lieu: I mean that's right antiques roadshow such a good show so.
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Akil Hill: i've been trying to get to the pasadena flea market for quite some time now, you know.
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Hong Lieu: Be careful with that one.
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Hong Lieu: yeah be careful, the Rose bowl one is.
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Hong Lieu: yeah huge thing it's like if you go on the wrong day like if it's too hot by the military you'll be you'll be like halfway to the heat stroke if you're not.
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Hong Lieu: Careful you got to plan it right go the fall go in the winter because it's an all day thing and.
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Hong Lieu: It just enormous like or bring a bike I don't know that i've i've tried to do it, a couple times, it is definitely beat me like yeah like oh yeah i'm gonna dig in the crates like first few vendors in after all my home and when did.
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Hong Lieu: You doing this, you know did this guy's got too many records I can't you know so yeah no.
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Hong Lieu: yeah definitely definitely a great one roseville flea market just just a lot, though.
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John Connelly: We weren't eating downtown at the Chinese restaurant and notice those new I don't know if it's the one that moved from the leader but there's a new antique shop next.
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John Connelly: noon or 400 calories to be.
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Hong Lieu: yeah old town antiques.
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Hong Lieu: They used to be, where you know that would ease that turnpike that magnolia Center yeah.
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John Connelly: yeah we bought a few things from them are out there and.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I always wonder about like antique stores around here because covering rent in this town is so tough.
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Hong Lieu: That it's the you really got to be like I don't know how you kind of make it work in terms of making sure you're bringing more stuff in and selling enough to just cover ran and make sure you keep the lights on it's it's yeah.
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Akil Hill: um you can go.
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Hong Lieu: All right, I have a couple PICs by the time this this episode is posted it will be May, which is a API plus Asian Asian American heritage month.
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Hong Lieu: So I wanted to shout out that the new the new Michelle yeoh movie everything everywhere all at once.
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Hong Lieu: it's in theaters now and it was directed by the Daniels whose last film was.
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Hong Lieu: Swiss army man, which is also an excellent film, they also did the turn down for what music video if you if you're a little john fan.
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Hong Lieu: that's where they kind of got their break I guess the number of music video directors that have gone on to have great kind of film careers is.
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Hong Lieu: Pretty large now you know spike Jones Michel gondry and all that you know, so the Daniels or I mean it's just just a great film, probably the.
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Hong Lieu: The best film i've seen in a theater you know because I haven't been here in a while, but then I did catch a few films know the last six months or so I saw dune spider man and stuff but.
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Hong Lieu: yeah it's an amazing film really good and in terms of representation for the Asian Community it's another kind of notch in the belt that crazy rich Asians kind of set the tone and and just been riding that wave the guy.
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Hong Lieu: key way Kwan he was known as Jonathan quiet in the 80s, he was short round and you Nina Jones and temple of doom and he was data and goonies you know you've talked to talk about Asian representation, he is a.
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Hong Lieu: Late 70s early 80s, just like my family So when I first saw him on screen, I mean I was way too young to be watching temple of doom because.
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Hong Lieu: That part where the guy gets his heart ripped out still gives me nightmares to this day, but at the same time, seeing him on the screen in both those films was really because.
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Hong Lieu: It was one of those like one of those first like he's just like me, you know he grew up he grew up just like me, he knows what it feels like.
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Hong Lieu: He knows he went he went to high school, which is right next to senior high school where I went so we were crosstown rivals in terms of schools like yeah he was the first kind of like piece of like I see myself.
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Hong Lieu: In him on the TV so having him makeup make is I can come back and movie because I guess.
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Hong Lieu: He took a break in the 90s as roles dried up he went to work for Korea and doing action choreography in Hong Kong and then he worked for Wong Kar WAI for a while he was a.
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Hong Lieu: I think an assistant director on 2046 which one car, why is just like a hallmark you know, like in terms of Asian Asian film directors like you know you hang Lee john woo you got up along.
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Hong Lieu: The way up there as i'm in terms of chungking express and I guess all the great films in the name in the mood for lover like it.
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Hong Lieu: He just yeah so he came back to do to act in this movie and he's if he doesn't get a best supporting actor nominees for this movie i'll be very.
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Hong Lieu: very upset because he plays like is this role is very kind of multifaceted here, and he nailed it he did a great job and.
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Hong Lieu: I was surprised that he played Michelle yos like spouse, because I thought they were like two different generations but I guess they're only like you know eight or nine years apart, so I guess.
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Hong Lieu: know and yeah it's just a great just a great feel like I don't want to get any plaque is worth pointing fresh but it's also a great film the scene that theaters because, in terms of audience interaction like.
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Hong Lieu: Like everyone's laughing and having a good time like it's a good a good theater film and in terms of Kobe Kobe worries it, whether you have them or not I I went in watch the whole movie fully masks.
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Hong Lieu: And no issues I don't know you know where case numbers will be whenever anyone else goes to see it, but, for me, I felt very safe with a mask on, and it was fine and it was.
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Hong Lieu: A great film yeah definitely worth watching everything everywhere all at once, and then because john's here, I wanted to shout out on.
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Hong Lieu: An art book a dark metropolis by the work of Irving Norman.
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Hong Lieu: Irving Norman is a 20th century early 20th century born in Lithuania, I think that emigrated to New York and then ended up in the Bay area, but he did a large murals.
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Hong Lieu: Social commentary, I mean he got on he ended up on like FBI CIA watch list, they were watching this male like the 70s, but he was a muralist and he and his stuff is very.
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Hong Lieu: Big and very detailed and it's uh yeah he does things on a very grand scale like very can be some dark macabre imagery because he's very concerned with intellectualism.
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Hong Lieu: And authoritarianism like you were mentioning john and in your and you know table and also some of the some of that work and.
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Hong Lieu: And it just when I saw that work in person was like we were talking about seeing art in person, I went to an exhibit.
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Hong Lieu: of his that he did a passing the Museum of California art and you know, like you know 1015 years ago and seeing some of those pieces live.
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Hong Lieu: Big large kind of murals live was was really moving to me, and it really spoke to me and.
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Hong Lieu: And so I pick up the book then and I just I just hang on to and I crack it open every now and then just to kind of revisit some of those pieces.
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Hong Lieu: So I can like transport myself back to when I was standing in front of them just environment just this the sheer amount of detail that goes into his work and just I mean just, especially when you when you do dark stuff it's a lot of black paint.
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Hong Lieu: The base layer I mean I guess you could work a dark canvas does that's what I did for the Batman animated show, but just that first layer of darkness beyond what else you put in, there is a lot of work and it's you know physically demanding and.
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Hong Lieu: So yeah the book is dark metropolis but just the artist a Irving Norman I feel like he deserves a little more shine shine a light on her.
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Akil Hill: Nice yes.
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Hong Lieu: archaea what you got.
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Akil Hill: Well, I got.
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Akil Hill: i've been listened to quite a bit of jazz lately, so I wanted to drop the soundtrack for the movie.
448
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Akil Hill: The photograph.
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Akil Hill: I haven't seen the movie I know ISA Ray is a main character in the movie but the soundtrack.
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Akil Hill: Man it's such a beautiful soundtrack it's produced by Robert glasbury who's.
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Akil Hill: You know grammy award winner, one of my favorite musicians.
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Akil Hill: Ever I mean I look at him like you know when it's all said and done, he'll probably be up there with coltrane and and Davis and and and you know some of the heavy jazz heavyweights he's just a brilliant musician composer arranger so.
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Akil Hill: The the soundtrack is great man I just been listening to a lot just some really like you know curl curl up in bed with your book.
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Akil Hill: On a rainy night or even not a rainy night but just that type of vibe throughout the soundtrack has a couple others, you know songs and and but it's mostly jazz.
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Akil Hill: All throughout it and it's just a good easy listening soundtrack that puts you in a good space so that's that's that's my PIC.
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Hong Lieu: yeah Robert Robert last year I know rob classroom because he's in a few of those groups with terrorists Martin terrorists martin's these you know big big la jazz guy plays plays live with JASMINE us down because.
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Akil Hill: yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Because la la Jesse you don't terms of those those regular regular weekly shows has been consistent.
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Akil Hill: Throughout.
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Hong Lieu: My life.
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Hong Lieu: Like yeah how about jazz ebbs and flows like you know coltrane thelonious and all that but in terms of like the modern jazz like you know beyond when when marseille's like the La jazz guys like you know thunder cat and all those guys are coming out of that scene.
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Hong Lieu: yeah.
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Hong Lieu: For all turtle yeah but um so.
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Akil Hill: I saw.
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Akil Hill: I saw a robbery glass for in La was the week that he won its first grammy and saw him at the roxbury and it was just like you know it was one of those shows where you know, like everyone was standing up there was you know, and he just kept everyone in their entertainment, we did.
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Akil Hill: Some of his work black radio right, so he has a black Radio one, two and three that was just released this year.
467
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Akil Hill: But man, it was just just a brilliant show like this guy was like on two pianos like just just our spell it spell bounding he's just going back and forth like that and i'm like man like just crazy gifted like.
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Akil Hill: So yeah and then you know, he was bringing out certain artists, you know to perform with them like music sold trial was there marcia ambrosia.
469
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Akil Hill: Was there a DC was there and it was the weekend, I was like Why is everybody.
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Akil Hill: showing up for free like we didn't even know they're they're all just came up on stage and and some like blouse there, but I realized that it was the it was the week of the.
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Akil Hill: grammys right the grammys or that was that weekend so everybody was in town and it was just an amazing show one of the best shows i've ever witnessed but.
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Akil Hill: If you're into jazz every you know it's just the definitely have to listen to the soundtrack or anything that robber class, for me, produces and just super talented.
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Hong Lieu: yeah good PIC until we talked about that curatorial lie in terms of like you just have to kind of get yourself exposed to the things and then.
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Hong Lieu: And then, when you when you see it, you know it, you know, like yeah when you when you see greatness, or when you see like it's really someone who really just cares about their craft creating.
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Hong Lieu: Then it just like it does speak to you know speak to you in on a deep level and that's really what kind of makes it bubble to the top is when it has that kind of.
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Hong Lieu: heart and soul to it in a class for stuff terrace mar and all those all those cats in the new the new generation they're still bringing it like yeah it's it's it's it's definitely worth checking out and diving in deep on for sure.
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Hong Lieu: How about you Johnny much of a jazz person or do you have a music musical style of choice musical genre choice.
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John Connelly: My taste is pretty eclectic I mean I, like everything except maybe heavy metal.
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John Connelly: I tend to listen to this radio station, called the current, which is based in minneapolis I find that they have.
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John Connelly: a really great combination of old and new, music, I mean I grew up with you know new wave and and that kind of thing, so I found the music that you grew up with as a teenager is something that you just always sort of gravitate back towards triggers that those endorphins and stuff so.
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yeah.
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Hong Lieu: yeah.
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Hong Lieu: My older sisters.
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Hong Lieu: I can thank for getting me in a new way like they were the ones that hit me on like the Holy tourney in La is the cure depeche mode and the smiths you know and like.
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Hong Lieu: Like it crosses boundaries like like I would not be able to go out and you still a without getting beat up.
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Hong Lieu: Without being a smith fan, or like having that like i'm just a Rocker leave me alone, you know, like, but that was that was my like my foot in the door, because everyone was down with that stuff in La like it was just it was just the way that yeah that new wave sounds very special.
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John Connelly: yeah huge depeche mode fan, I saw the smiths and I think I was in high school, I must have been in 1982 it was in this teeny theater in DC Washington DC and you know with morrissey.
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Hong Lieu: Care lovely.
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Hong Lieu: Gathering I can't believe you actually saw the Smith, because i've seen morrissey many times, you know, like but to say that you saw this myth is like like my hardest the hardest.
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Hong Lieu: slugger to be that good that I, we just need the same room because.
491
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Hong Lieu: Because they'll never be the same and we get to hate each other now.
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Hong Lieu: You know so.
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Hong Lieu: But it's like yeah like morrissey Johnny marr together playing together oh man that's that's incredible.
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John Connelly: It was one of my first concert so it's pretty.
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Hong Lieu: yeah I I saw ya see marcy a few times last time I saw him was at the Claremont colleges, he played like 9697 I haven't seen words recent run.
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Hong Lieu: It sounds like he still has his voice, you know i've seen the Kia multiple times depeche mode and there's you're doing like a kind of a new way festival crew summer.
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Hong Lieu: In La like next month and i'm going to go to that it's like blondie divo like Berlin like it's just like all like like up and down it's going to be really about houses headlining with morrissey so yeah i'm excited for that, but but.
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John Connelly: You know the whole subculture where.
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John Connelly: that's the next youth are obsessed with the smiths.
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John Connelly: yep i'm.
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Hong Lieu: Like I said that's why the Holy Trinity the.
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Hong Lieu: cache mode and the cure like yeah.
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Hong Lieu: It definitely entrenched for sure.
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John Connelly: I asked one of my friends about that he said it's because it's big this relationship to the mariachi like this sort of sad song kind of thing.
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Hong Lieu: And a lot for me a lot, I like like just personally seeing seeing the family structure it's like he certain areas of town in La where you grew up you got two choices.
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Hong Lieu: You can either go.
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Hong Lieu: You know the total life, where you could go the Rocker the raw or like you know record or life so like there was a lot of there's a lot of pumpkin so when you know a lot of scan espanyol.
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Hong Lieu: And there was the the query those studios, which is the classic you know those acoustic that sounds like you're talking about, but that was more for like the MID 80s and the grown ups, like the grown ups were.
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Hong Lieu: Like like our offices and all these you know you talked about but so those were the all these and then the new sound for the kids was that new wave kind of sound so.
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Hong Lieu: So it was like a punk in Scarborough, but a lot of the that was rooted, you know based off of those new wave.
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Hong Lieu: potent know wave post punk sounds well so that I mean the the cure, and the smiths and depeche mode just kind of just like yeah it was a nice segue.
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Hong Lieu: For kids to later experiment in a little bit of a rock in espanol is gonna respond you all.
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Hong Lieu: And it just it just was totally entrenched like there was, it was my way to get into those communities, was that was our common ground to start and then we'll go from there.
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Hong Lieu: Because I got it for my sister's my sisters were you know just listen to the radio station K rock the flashback lunch and so everyone was kind of in there and.
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Hong Lieu: When I was first getting into pocket stuff like they didn't know that much about like the hardcore bands, but.
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Hong Lieu: In terms of we could we would connect with new wave, and then we would go from there and we go to a Scotch or something together, and then it was all peas in a pod from there, but yeah it was definitely it was just just awesome.
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Hong Lieu: Lucy down there for sure.
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John Connelly: And i'm always really fascinated by what I connect with in contemporary music like like i'm really into dance music a good clubs, a lot in New York and.
519
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John Connelly: But I I was huge Madonna fan for four years before she kind of went off the deep.
520
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John Connelly: But i'm like dude lipa I really I really I really like her, that she's got a great poise she's.
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John Connelly: Like yeah work that's like an example of contemporary art styling you know and that second that pop shop.
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Hong Lieu: Oh yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Do the bed that you had a big hit and like yeah I heard live sets are pretty pretty pretty fun to watch.
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Hong Lieu: Yes, great PICs y'all thanks for sharing and kind of see the culture blood in there.
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Hong Lieu: we're we're pretty much done here in terms of what we official things to get through, but john is there anything else you want to close with anything you want to plug or or you know before we leave.
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John Connelly: When we we just rebooted our internship program so we divided our we just have one intern who would.
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John Connelly: create an exhibition of student work every year, and now we've divided our internship into three different internships, so we have our curatorial outreach and education, in turn, when we have an art history and research, in turn, and we have an art handling.
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John Connelly: And exhibition design intern so we have filled the two positions for the art history and the curatorial intern for next fall.
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John Connelly: But we're still looking for an art handling and turn so I want to plug our internship program you have great opportunity to get hands on experience with working with art and artists and learning about our administration curation.
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John Connelly: Research all those kind of things so anybody it's, not just for artists and for our history or people that are in other I think it's really important to encourage people that are studying other topics other areas to get involved with the arts.
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John Connelly: i've heard a lot about like how medical professions can learn a lot about how to.
532
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John Connelly: to analyze things through their experience with the arts so that's a great example for me.
533
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Hong Lieu: So is the requirement, just to be a student or is there there's there's nothing beyond that.
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John Connelly: Just to be a student well The thing is, you have to be.
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John Connelly: federal federal work, study eligible to be paid, but there is an option to do a volunteer internship where you get credit through a work, study program for the College, so you do, you can get credit, even if you get paid through the funnel works, and you can still earn credits for the internship.
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Hong Lieu: And in terms of art handling I mean a it, I guess, if you put in like, if you like this, you might like art handling what What would you would you make.
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John Connelly: You know if you'd like to be handy.
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John Connelly: Do you like to.
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John Connelly: handle art and.
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John Connelly: You know design things um you are currently in turn helps me to decide how the hang the shows how to build the pistols sort of outlay the physical outlay, and also to maintain the space and things like that.
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Hong Lieu: So be kind of like stagecraft and theater and things of that sort.
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John Connelly: yeah.
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John Connelly: And you also there's something it's called registrar you help keep track of what comes into the gallery, and what goes out and condition reports responsible for shipping packing unpacking.
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John Connelly: it's a whole genre of.
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John Connelly: You know the career that some yeah working in our field.
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Hong Lieu: Definitely seems like there's a there's a career path there where we're there's no gallery that doesn't need help with that kind of stuff so if you're interested in starting that path, and that seems like a good way to go.
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John Connelly: there's a really great instagram account I don't know the exact scandal, but it's like are prepared or something and they just have all these hilarious amazing clever ways of like doing stuff you know, doing the whole handy things so it's really entertaining.
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Hong Lieu: No there's no nice DIY aesthetic to it as well, he kind of like figure out how you what you what you're going for and then get there by any means necessary kind of thing.
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John Connelly: that's a really important job you make it, you know you makes a lot of life easier you solve a lot of your problem soccer so it's a really important position.
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Hong Lieu: All right, yeah so definitely is their info on your website.
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John Connelly: As well under website there's an internships.
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John Connelly: tab has information about how to apply and the.
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John Connelly: details.
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Hong Lieu: So i'll think specifically you and the show notes as well, good good to know, hopefully, hopefully, someone listening, will be the one that feels feels the position you're like yep I heard about him to get a voices that's that's how we do.
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Hong Lieu: So, yes john Thank you so much.
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Akil Hill: for being so much done.
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Hong Lieu: yeah and and and opening up a little bit about the gallery and we're glad you're here to everything again Atkins gallery in the humanities building what h2o to crimson yeah h2o to.
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Akil Hill: On the bottom level.
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Hong Lieu: Give me the hours, one more time.
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John Connelly: Monday through Thursday 11 to five Friday 11 to three.
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John Connelly: yeah by appointment anytime.
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Hong Lieu: By appointment anytime if you want, if you're in the Community and one parking then since, in the gallery and email.
563
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Hong Lieu: i'll put all that stuff in the show notes and check it out, because because, like john was saying, the only way to build that curatorial lie.
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Hong Lieu: is to expose yourself to to more and more art figure out what you like and.
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Hong Lieu: I mean that's just be true for everybody, I mean I feel like just like we get so locked in and specialized in this world nowadays.
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Hong Lieu: we're like you from a very young age, you think you know what you want to be, but in hindsight, you get to a certain age, like, I was wrong, I did you like it's only through like that kind of.
567
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Hong Lieu: Renaissance person approach of like like really blast us out there, that you can really kind of see kind of the little nooks and crannies of life.
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Hong Lieu: and art is like an essential piece, I mean we get so hung up on the medium.
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Hong Lieu: But like you know music is art art, you know, like the painting photography film it's, all in all it's all it's all creative expression is in spirits like if you're not.
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Hong Lieu: kind of allowing yourself to swim in all the water than you know, like like what are you really doing you know so so please get out there and see some art.
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Hong Lieu: So all right, thank you, thank you, as always akil thanks again john it was an honor.
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Hong Lieu: until next time.
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Hong Lieu: This was Vaquero Voices. Take care y'all.
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Akil Hill: Peace all.
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Right thanks.