Akil and Hong welcome Chris Phillips to the show; Chris is the director of the Career Center, but wears many hats on campus. The show begins with a discussion about the Career Center and how it attempts to help students holistically discover what career path is best for them; the conversation then shifts to the fundamentals of sourdough bread baking, Coca Cola wings, and Korean fried chicken, before ending with Marshall Mcluhan's The Medium is the Massage, Alex Garland's Devs, and Misha Green's Lovecraft Country.
Mentioned in this episode:
SBCC Career Center - https://www.sbcc.edu/careercenter/
Coca Cola Wings - https://thewoksoflife.com/coca-cola-chicken-wings/
Gentle Chic - https://www.yelp.com/biz/gentle-chic-los-angeles
Vons Fried Chicken - https://www.yelp.com/biz/vons-chicken-isla-vista
Sourdough Starter - https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/recipes/sourdough-starter-recipe
Medium is the Massage - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25955.The_Medium_is_the_Massage
Devs - https://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/devs
Lovecraft Country - https://www.hbo.com/lovecraft-country
H.P. Lovecraft the Racist - https://www.vox.com/culture/21363945/hp-lovecraft-racism-examples-explained-what-is-lovecraftian-weird-fiction
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Hong Lieu: Hello and welcome to another episode of SPC bacchanal Voices Podcast highlighting the unique voices that comprise our campus culture and how we're all working together to serve our students and the community at large, as usual. I'm joined by my co host to keel hill.
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Hong Lieu: Hello, and today we are honored to welcome Christopher Phillips to the show. Welcome.
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Chris Phillips: Honored might be a little bit strong language, but I'm very happy to be here, guys. Thank you.
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Hong Lieu: true honor a true honor
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Akil Hill: Honor all absolutely
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Akil Hill: Through and through
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Hong Lieu: And Chris, you are the director of the career center here that's BCC.
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Chris Phillips: That's right. Yeah, I'm the director of the Career Center. I'm a professor and a counselor. So my role is a faculty position on this campus.
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Chris Phillips: And in part of it is to, you know, see, and have vision for the Career Center. And what we're doing. I also teach career planning is. And I also meet with students, one on one counseling.
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Akil Hill: He is a one man band. Did you
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, unique
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Chris Phillips: I need to be because we don't have any staff in the cruise
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Hong Lieu: And it's good that you have the faculty and the
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Hong Lieu: Staff perspective in tune in terms of, you know, when running the running the department at the Career Center. And when you're teaching your classes, you can kind of, you know, because
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Hong Lieu: A lot of times, we do have that not divide, I would say, but it's kind of a peeking over the wall so to speak it with faculty, you're doing and vice versa for staff so it's nice to kind of dip your toes on both sides and have an awareness of things that are going on both sides.
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Chris Phillips: Yeah, I mean, that's the college that's higher education is that wall between
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Chris Phillips: Faculty and everybody all the sudden I think we're no different in some ways.
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Chris Phillips: And I think, yeah, whenever you can kind of bridge the two and I think now more than ever we need to do that, like, so I do find that I'm in a nice place to be able to kind of have that balance.
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Hong Lieu: So, so the Career Center. Is it the kind of thing where if I'm a student, am I going in there, looking for a job or my going in there to kind of
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Hong Lieu: guide my search or kind of figure out what I want to do. I mean, where, where does the Career Center fit in in that kind of that process of starting a career as a young person in school today.
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Chris Phillips: Yes.
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Chris Phillips: Yeah, I think that's what the the unique thing about the career center. I think all the centers on campus have a diverse range of things that they're doing.
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Chris Phillips: But the Career Center as far as accounts. So we're counseling office. You know, like that. We're here for students and we have counselors.
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Chris Phillips: But the range of things that one of our career counselors can do is pretty incredible it's anywhere from just like
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Chris Phillips: You know, I'm not sure what major I should be doing. I don't even know how to approach that
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Chris Phillips: I'm interested in this major what careers are related to it. Um, how do you, you know, like you said, how do you find a job right now because I needed a job to be able to stay into school
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Chris Phillips: How do you go through the process of writing resumes preparing for interviews a job searching online.
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Chris Phillips: And then just playing kind of work based learning kinds of things trying to get students connected with actual employers in our area.
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Chris Phillips: By panel discussions by networking opportunities.
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Chris Phillips: And we really there's there's so many different schools within our one school. You know what I mean. And trying to like figure out, okay, what are the different areas of the school that need a particular
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Chris Phillips: Service kind of be spoke to, like, what their needs are and then we're trying to reach out to you know nursing
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Chris Phillips: Or automotive students and their needs are different than a freshman coming in looking to figure out what major they are so the the sheer diversity and challenge of like
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Chris Phillips: Like what needs could be coming to one of our counselors is pretty exciting. You know, and I think you have to. There's a lot more skills, not only do you have to have good counseling skills, but you also have to know the labor market for example.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, I mean, in your estimation is it our folks coming in.
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Hong Lieu: They kind of have an idea what they what they want to do and they've had a few jobs before. Are these people kind of pretty new to kind of the workforce in general and just kind of looking for like basic starting kind of tips or is it just just runs the gamut. No matter what
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Chris Phillips: Well, the first thing I'll say that I think is very important when you're thinking about a community college career center is that
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Chris Phillips: It's not happening in a vacuum. It happens that when the students are going to school.
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Chris Phillips: When they're trying to be successful in their classes in this semester. They're trying to go from this semester to next semester. They're trying to reach their goal. Getting your certificate or transferring
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Chris Phillips: And career counseling in that context is also an effort to support them in that
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Chris Phillips: You know, it's like we we need it. We can't just say, oh, what job you're interested in, like, we have to understand, well, what are your approaches to your education.
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Chris Phillips: You know, what are your values around that. What are your maybe limiting thoughts about like what you can or can't do, and your education.
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Chris Phillips: You know what kinds of messages if you had about careers. Oh, like you should be a nurse, because there's so many jobs and then you're just like, Okay, cool. I'm going to be a nurse.
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Chris Phillips: And unfortunately you pass out at the sight of blood, you know, so there's not going to be a good career for you. And so, like so many students even when they think they know something, it's under very limited information.
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Chris Phillips: And so one of the things we're trying to do is like it you know get information out there and then we're trying to think about speed, like for example like
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Chris Phillips: first generation college students oftentimes don't know anything about the culture of education and we think it's so easy because we live with the acronyms and the systems and the 10 step process and we think it's all like that, but
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Chris Phillips: They don't even know what what's what's going on there. You know, so we need to talk about, hey, you know, how is that going for you and then
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Chris Phillips: Are you limiting yourself of what you think you can do in your education and career talk about social mobility talk about how much money you're going to be making like so all those things come into the conversation, too.
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Akil Hill: I like that a lot. I it's like a whole like a holistic approach in terms of assisting the student and figuring out what is the best fit. I mean that's that's right on with that I really I'm feeling right now.
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Chris Phillips: So for example, I like to talk to people. We all have these we have like negative thoughts about our career or our ability to be successful and something may be very challenging.
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Chris Phillips: Or wise for students. They might say something like, you know, like, how am I going to possibly pick a major when there's so many of them, you know, or like I have no idea. You know,
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Chris Phillips: We know what you would do with any of these majors. So how could I even pick one now and you're asking me to pick it and then like taking a step back and trying to reframe that as, like, Oh, well,
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Chris Phillips: Right now you don't know about the majors, but there's some specific things you could do. To learn more about them or learn more about yourself and use tools to see how those things are connected to a wide range of
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Chris Phillips: Majors so like trying to like understand how our kind of negative thoughts about how well we're going to do or not do an education can actually change our decisions and move us away from things that we might want to do and it really kind of like
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Chris Phillips: It just sneaks up on you, you know. And so those are a lot of the like I'm really curious about, Hey, what are you hoping to get out of your education, you know, what are you doing here. And how do those things.
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Chris Phillips: Connect maybe down the line to a range of careers and not trying to like nail somebody down to like
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Chris Phillips: You're going to be a dentist. You know, you're going to be a you know, a doctor, you're going to be a construction worker. Well, you know, like there's more to the conversation than just picking a single thing and then feeling like you're
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Hong Lieu: I know. And I feel like that's what was missing from my kind of what the people taught me when I was growing up, because
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Hong Lieu: In LA at my high school. We did career stuff freshman year. So freshman year high school your 14 year old.
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Hong Lieu: You want to learn about what you want to do when you grow up, I mean basically at that age are just like I can do anything. I just want to make the most money.
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Hong Lieu: So you look at all these jobs where you make the most money you're looking at optometrists dentist, yada, yada. That's where I was going up, I'll be programmer. I'll be a medical person and then
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Hong Lieu: And then we never touch it again until I got to college. So the freshman year requirements do the career stuff. And that's it. And by the time I got out of high school and into college.
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Hong Lieu: It was I wanted it was my mindset was totally different. And then even two years, three years in college, my mindset shifted again.
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Hong Lieu: So it's one of those things where all the things I looked up and I was like, kind of not set on I wasn't like really hammered into stone. The things that in the back of my mind. I thought I wanted to do.
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Hong Lieu: By the time I was of Asia start building to that I didn't want to do any of that stuff anymore. So the stuff that I was looking into was totally new and kind of having to start over.
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Hong Lieu: And I mean I just kind of stumbled into the path I ended up in to get here today, but if not for a couple lucky break something, where would I be so it's one of those things where
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Hong Lieu: Just being aware of that fact that, you know, we're i mean i mean everyone's aware, the fact that we're as individuals. We changed a lot over the years, of course. But in terms of your career and in terms of the things that make i mean
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Hong Lieu: I was gonna say make you happy. But there's no guarantee your truth and makes you happy, but your career allows you to do the things that make you happy. You know, like, you may not have
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Hong Lieu: Like the old saying, You do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life. It's like, no, you can do something you eight so that you can do the things that you love every day.
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Hong Lieu: You know, there's, there's, there's all kinds of different ways to look at it depends. So it depends on your
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Hong Lieu: It's a personal approach in terms of your mindset, things like that. And that's why your holistic approach in terms of letting people figure out what they want to do what they do best. Is it sounds like, right on the money like you're saying, absolutely.
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Chris Phillips: And then the key to that is
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Chris Phillips: To teach about skills and competencies that you need as an adult to navigate your career development okay and and the skill isn't to likes to take a test and say, Okay, I'm going to be a web developer. Now you know the competencies are more about
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Chris Phillips: self assessment, for example, or do you have the skills to really kind of get in tune with like what your interests are.
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Chris Phillips: You know where your skills lie. You know, like that you're having a reasonable self assessment about kind of values and skills and preferences that you have
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Chris Phillips: You know, that's a skill and a lot of the students. I work with, they don't have that skill quite yet. As far as they know who they are, but it's difficult to articulate what that is. Oftentimes there's
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Chris Phillips: vocabularies missing or there. You just don't know what you don't know. You know, so you know you're trying to like engage and then, for example, decision making is another skill set and you know I always ask
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Chris Phillips: students in my class. Like, how many of you have that actual class content on
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Chris Phillips: Skills to develop decision making. There's different decision. It's a science like you can get a PhD in decision making and they're coming up with breakthroughs in cognitive processes and decision making all the time. It's a literal science hard science right and
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Chris Phillips: Then no student raises their hand. They say I'd no one's ever talked to me about making decisions, you know, and so that's a whole like
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Chris Phillips: How do you frame a decision. What's, what's your kind of cognitive process in that. How do you incorporate your thoughts and feelings with actual data from the career about Outlook and salary and things like that.
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Chris Phillips: So it's really trying to like teach skill building and not like you should be this or you should be that because
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Chris Phillips: You'd like you said you're going to change throughout your career like this, you know, the average is show that people have
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Chris Phillips: You know, eight to, you know, 12 different jobs in their career and they might even shift like actual careers, two or three times in a lifetime. So that's just bound to happen so
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Chris Phillips: Yeah, we need the skills to be able to navigate that not just like here's something to tell you what you should do.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, I mean I that's so i can't i can't agree with you more than that. I really, I mean I'm just thinking back. I mean, I have a daughter, she's
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Akil Hill: 16 and she's getting ready in a couple years should be going to college. And I think for like most people, it's like okay you graduate from high school.
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Akil Hill: You go to college, you get a job. But along the way, if the parents aren't actively trying to engage and giving
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Akil Hill: Your child or even yourself ever been given that opportunity when you were younger, to make decisions and
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Akil Hill: And the effects from the decisions that you make, like, where is that word, that is, is what I'm saying is it's like it's like a trial and error. And then some people figure it out a lot earlier and then some people figure out a whole lot later.
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Akil Hill: And so, I mean, I just, yeah, I just, I'm just filling all of that because I really feel like that's, that's, that is how you give a student, a holistic experience in education as an institution that serves people on education.
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Chris Phillips: Yeah. And you said something really, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
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Hong Lieu: No, no. Go ahead. Go ahead.
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Chris Phillips: He said something really important about decision making it because problem solving is just saying, Okay, I've got a problem. And what should I do
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Chris Phillips: And I'll do that. And it's done and decision making is actually incorporating, like you said, like what's the impact of this decision. What are the consequences been
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Chris Phillips: How is it fitting with the reason I even made the decision because presumably you were in touch with your values and like you know what was important to you when you made that decision.
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Chris Phillips: It isn't like you thought it was like really evaluating the outcome of that decision and then nobody talks about that.
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Chris Phillips: And and that's where we get guilty about changing course or something like, well, you know, I've done this and I can't change because
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Chris Phillips: I've made that big decision and it's not a one time deal it's a it's a cycle that you can keep kind of looping through. So, you know, I really
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Chris Phillips: Appreciate what you said is we also have to teach people to say, Hey, it's okay to evaluate and maybe shift course, even if it's just incrementally or a little bit or stacking things on it's important to think of like, like what happens after you make a decision.
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Hong Lieu: And that's the part that is it's tough in terms of at school when we're given problems or we're giving things to solve.
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Hong Lieu: There is an answer and you you're working your way, figure out a process to get to that answer. And in terms of these kind of decision making that we're touching on
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Hong Lieu: There are multiple answers and they're all correct, to a certain extent. So it's an it's an assessment, like a 6040 7030
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Hong Lieu: And everybody when we were trained going up from jump to go for 100 zero and you're looking at a 6040
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Hong Lieu: And your heart does not want to do that to the 40, you know, or the 30 you know like you want everyone to be happy. So it's
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Hong Lieu: It's hard to make those decisions and then own those decisions. So what happens on the other side is you always
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Hong Lieu: You own it with a hedge. You know, like, well, we'll do this, but then we'll revisit or we'll do this and then we'll do this and we'll do this and then it becomes just muddled so
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Hong Lieu: So in terms of making a decision owning it stepping forward that those are, I mean that's that's a lifetime skill that's something that I mean
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Hong Lieu: I'm not even sure it's something that is not like taught in a process is something that you either stumbled on and you don't almost. It's like, yeah, it's like black magic in a way
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Hong Lieu: In some ways, but it but it's, it's, I mean it's it's a tough. It's a tough nut to crack.
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Hong Lieu: But I was also going to say that I can absolutely vouch for your idea of skills because
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Hong Lieu: I graduate black pashman philosophy and that did not kind of lead me on the path. I'm on today, but you via skills that I had picked up along the way.
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Hong Lieu: I was able to take up some other jobs that kind of built that that back end experience allowed me to get a job and kind of a more technical field. So the idea of skills. I can also vouch for that. Yeah, absolutely.
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Akil Hill: I was going to ask you, Chris. I'm isn't there a test that you guys like proctor to as well to for students that are
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Akil Hill: Trying to figure out what is the best fit for their skill set, or what they're passionate about. I keep hearing this test that's that's proctor D. Can you speak a little bit on that.
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Chris Phillips: Yeah, well one I'm going to apologize. I have to correct you, and that is not a test.
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Chris Phillips: Okay. I mean, that very lightheartedly because that is like in in the culture. That's what 100% of people say
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Chris Phillips: Yeah, but it's like what we've just been talking about. There is no right or wrong to who you are and so
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Chris Phillips: Any of these. And so the way I'd like to call it is an assessment, right, or a self assessment and
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Chris Phillips: Each one of the self assessments is kind of has a foundation of a career theory, like, okay, it's good if somebody understands what their interests are.
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Chris Phillips: And then I create a system that connects that to specific interest areas in the environment.
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Chris Phillips: And that's going to help somebody like simplify this process. Right. And so you have things like the strong interest inventory or the Myers Briggs Type Indicator
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Chris Phillips: And then our counselors use those ideas, even, you know, separate from the assessment.
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Chris Phillips: It's just, it's an idea about how like for the Myers Briggs is a personality preference and it's just, it's like how you kind of like operate in this world and to
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Chris Phillips: Some degree that's innate in some degree it's learned and it helps in that that the skill. The, the competency. I was speaking of that, that self assessment.
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Chris Phillips: Competency that you need to have, you need to be self aware, you need to understand, you know,
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Chris Phillips: what your interests are and where you're going and that that's a skill and these are tools to help you kind of like artificially like let's just look at your interests.
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Chris Phillips: Take those out, we're going to study those and then we're going to stick them back into your whole life because, you know, back to the idea of holistic, there is no test or assessment that can tell you who you are.
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Chris Phillips: It can only work if you're saying, Okay, I'm buying into their main idea here that there is a connection between my interests and things I'm going to be satisfied. Doing it work if you don't buy into that I didn't get to do you any good. Right.
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Chris Phillips: Yeah, and then. And if you're not, if you're not understanding what the limits of such you know systems are, it's not going to do you much good because you're going to be looking for an answer in it. And the answer is there. It's a tool.
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Chris Phillips: You know, and to be used and to incorporate new ideas and then also it's amazing the kind of the database age, you know, then very quickly you can do assessment and then
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Chris Phillips: Have like hundreds of examples of things that might be related to it, but everybody who is that like personality preference or personality code they won't be interested in every, same thing, right, like, though it because it depends on who you
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Chris Phillips: The best tool for the Career Center. It's called Eureka. It's a free tool for students, the Career Center pays for it and you can access it online 24 seven. So that's become our main kind of assessment tool. And the thing I like about that is it's 100% free for students.
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Hong Lieu: So touching real quick on you mentioned what what is out there. I mean, do you have any sense of what is out there for young folks day because it just seems like there's a lot of gig economy stuff. There's a lot of
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Hong Lieu: Temporary kind of short term jobs, but in terms of starting a career for a young person today. I mean, do you have any kind of tips or advice in that kind of respect, or is it just kind of always
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Chris Phillips: Going to give you like. And so again, but again, that goes back to you being in touch with your values and saying, okay, living in Santa Barbara is my number one value. I've got family. I've got connections. I'm going to stay here.
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Chris Phillips: But now you know maybe things do change all the time like with the pandemic. Maybe nobody needs to be anywhere and you do anything. You know, like this. Um, but I take the approach least the kind of moment that I'm working with students usually is to take an approach of, like, hey,
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Chris Phillips: And then, then, but also incorporate like labor market information and hot careers and but like you said, it's a dangerous track to like turn people on to like here, the top 10 careers in 2020
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Chris Phillips: You know, and the thing is, we want the answer to this problem. We want somebody to answer it for us. We want it to be a for sure guarantee and there is no guarantees, even in the hot careers, you know, and so it's it's a false hope. But again,
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Chris Phillips: You have to look at the data, you have to look at the labor market. You have to, you have to be in tune with those things, but it shouldn't be the thing
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Chris Phillips: That is, at least in my view, maybe there's the guarantee you there's other views on this, but like that.
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Chris Phillips: What kinds of things might be related to that, how can you get engaged and maybe testing the waters and that with an internship or a mentor.
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Chris Phillips: And let and then focus on what are you going to do next, rather than what are you going to be doing in 10 years you know if you get this ideal career. So it's always just as tricky balancing act with the assessments.
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Chris Phillips: And with the labor market information because people just want the answer. It's like, oh, you know, nursing is good. Okay, I'm going to do it. And that's some works for some people, a lot of people, it doesn't work at all.
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Akil Hill: Yeah. And then that even affects I'm thinking about that that nursing. Because I've heard that so many times it. There's so many jobs, it pays well
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Akil Hill: And then like they don't they don't even really want to do the job. They just want to get the job right. And so, you know, then you see people, you know, certain nurses in the hospital. Give me just horrible service and and that affects it just trickles down from there, I feel, you know,
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Hong Lieu: In terms of following your passion and when I got to school. I want to do video games. So I went and go went to work to the video game industry for a couple years.
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Hong Lieu: But the thing is how that sausage is made. Once you start getting like rubbing up against friction in that respect.
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Hong Lieu: Doing that as much as you did before. You have the job. So there's pitfalls to both sides. Like, I know a bunch of people have did went into art and writing after school and and the process of making money doing what you love and those those avenues.
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Hong Lieu: It burn them out to a certain extent. So there's I mean there's definite dangerous to both sides. You don't want to chase the hot career, just for money.
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Hong Lieu: Because it's going to be, you know, pretty passionate that's there. But if you chase your passion and that gets rubbed the wrong way by hired by certain decisions above you.
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Hong Lieu: And that goes back to, so it's really just about finding that balance and realizing that you know the the careers that are you looking for a year.
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Hong Lieu: You're really just think for some security and comfort for yourself and for your family, whoever you're supporting
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Hong Lieu: So you're looking for for a nice balance. There's not going to be some 100%. Good answer. You're looking for the like a decision making scenario you're looking for the 6040 to 7030 but it's a little more beneficial to you.
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Hong Lieu: That not and you go, that path because the 8020 9010 they're super rare.
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Chris Phillips: Exactly. And then, don't get me wrong, I really believe we need to be talking about money.
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Chris Phillips: We, we encourage people are just across the board and community colleges. We encourage people into programs that might not actually make them very much money.
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Chris Phillips: And and we're telling them, hey, it's so good to be in school. It's so good to get your certificate
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Chris Phillips: And and and you know you should you should complete this and they should. I'm not naysaying completing a certificate. But so many people don't go into that they have no idea how much they're going to make
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Chris Phillips: In that's with that specific degree. None. No one's ever talked to them. No one's even or or locally, and so we try to have some resources on that we try to, like, say, hey,
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Chris Phillips: To end be encouraged to and be supported to get those kinds of things. And, and so many students there. They don't have those messages they might have messages like what are you doing in school.
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Chris Phillips: And after they're done, they can make the same amount of money as they would have if they weren't in school. We've got problems there. We got it, we got to talk about maybe we got to talk about what do you stack on top of that, after you get
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Chris Phillips: That the certificate. Let's talk about maybe stacking on the degree to that list, maybe stack on maybe talk about transfer or another degree that you can get to
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Chris Phillips: Start trending upwards, as far as how much money you're going to make, but at the end. So like, believe me. Like I it's ridiculous, not to talk about money.
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Chris Phillips: Especially around here and it's a very rich conversation. It's not superficial at all. But then again, you need to, like you said, Hong. It's a percentage of how you make a decision, but you do need to know that information.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, absolutely. Poor, poor first generation college students here absolutely that money conversation is a critical aspect of things.
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Hong Lieu: And. Something I was not aware of in college because you know my bachelor's of philosophy. If I told my mom about that she would have
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Hong Lieu: But I but I started as an engineer and couldn't cut it. So there was a lot of. There's a lot of in between hedging and decisions that I had to make
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Hong Lieu: And you know, you make the best decision you rely on some skills and you do the best you can. The thing I was kind of mentioning us thinking about also is
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Hong Lieu: In terms of career paths you know that in with the gig economy, the gig economy.
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Hong Lieu: Classically, like with within the game industry, for example, word that I was in, you started as a tester and you worked your way up. And if you put in the time and you did the work. You would move up.
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Hong Lieu: And and these gig economy jobs, there is no up, you just do the same job you make the money and it's just that transactional element of it. And that's it.
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Hong Lieu: And that's what kind of I feel is missing for a lot of entry level jobs for young folks today is a lot of them are are built or built without that path because that path.
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Hong Lieu: Has become too expensive to manage for some reason or some analyst or stock broker doesn't think it's worth the expense to boost people up, but so you have a lot of these not quite dead end. But they don't go much of anywhere jobs.
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Hong Lieu: And so they're not like traps because you make money. But how do you get out of that circle that you know that constant churn. It's, it's, it's an interesting place to be. Just looking at what the market is like for young folks today.
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Chris Phillips: Yeah, or like you mentioned the video game industry, you get into like industries and all of a sudden you have like all this crunch that you've got to do. And all of a sudden you're realizing
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Chris Phillips: You know, a union paid extra but yes what your bosses and on Saturday and Sunday, and so are you. And then you start to get overwhelmed by the the workplace culture because yeah you're nothing. You're just like somebody who is like
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Chris Phillips: A consultant or like you said gig economy and then you start to see some serious abuses in like, especially in, you know, video games and programming and like editing and things like that is rough
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Hong Lieu: I mean, I knew about the crunch. So I, I was kind of prepared. I mean, it was still rough. I mean, there were 24 hour shifts, there were 80 hour workweeks there was. I mean, it was, it was gnarly at times.
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Hong Lieu: That was really important. But now, a lot of times, I don't know. I mean, I've been an industry for over 10 years now. So I'm not sure if that test your
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Hong Lieu: Test your path still even exist because that was the the entry way if you love game you start a test of you work the way up.
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Hong Lieu: Now, I mean you have a lot of folks company with game design degrees coming in with specific degrees targeted to that. So they come in right out of school and you're boosting up right away. So it creates it's not only
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Hong Lieu: I don't. Not, not only that path might not be there. But then this the schism that is presented by folks that are new out of school, trying to get into that industry and in writing that crunch.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, it's a it's a lot to acclimate yourself to, you know, it's not an easy kind of thing to jump into an ADR work we coming out of school hearing about it and then doing is, you know, so, so there's a lot going on there. But yeah, it's it is definitely one of those things to consider.
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Chris Phillips: One of the things that's like it's a it's career counseling one on one, essentially, like, it's like you learn this, but first day of career counseling school is the idea of information interviews is where you know you're trying to encourage people to reach out
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Chris Phillips: Now, sometimes there's barriers to that because they're working so much or or they're hard to whatever like you. There's barriers and everything in life and you figure it out and you you approach it.
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Chris Phillips: But the thing is, nobody knows, like so. How many, how many people go to law school and they have no idea what law school is like
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Chris Phillips: And then you think you're done you pat yourself on your back. I made the decision. Like, I'm out. I just, I did it all.
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Chris Phillips: And but you need to talk to people, you need to try to like penetrate that the culture of a workplace and understand. Hey, what are you, what's your day like you know because it's funny because we put so much emphasis on getting a job.
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Chris Phillips: You know, like, you gotta get a good resume and you got to like train up on your interviewing you got to do the research for the company. You gotta, you gotta do your LinkedIn networking, you know, like it's
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Chris Phillips: You know 99% of the focus is on getting the job and then you get it, and you're like, oh, this is hard. This is a lot harder than getting the job and fact
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Chris Phillips: You know, and so you've got to like be thinking about that like to like give some information about what, what is this job. What are the problems of the job. What are the hours of the job. What are the pay of the job.
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Chris Phillips: And you can do that by talking to people who are doing it, but a killer Hong. How many people think you think want to do this thing.
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Chris Phillips: And then you by not doing something you you didn't get that information that might have changed the course of your career. So I'm trying to get people to reach out
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Chris Phillips: To people who are doing jobs, bring them on campus. That's that because you can be like, you know, doing self assessments all day long, but it's not until you start talking to people and figure out how you might fit in somewhere.
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Chris Phillips: That it really opens up and then you're making networks and you're making connections and then people send you things about internships, like it. You got to talk to people. That's maybe my number one you know thing, you know, to suggest to people is
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Akil Hill: That's on that point, it made me think about the younger generation. You know how, you know, in some ways, in some regards, you know, like
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Akil Hill: Everything is on the phone. You know what I mean. And I wonder if that ever poses challenges for them to in terms of you're just coming out of high school, you're 18 years old, you got and people are like, look, you need to reach out and communicate
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Akil Hill: I don't know if I don't wanna say handicap some or, or, in some ways, but I mean, definitely.
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Akil Hill: The impact of, you know, cell phone use and not being able to actually engage with them, but people when they're fat that plays a part of that as well.
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Chris Phillips: Like you can do a lot with LinkedIn. LinkedIn is amazing. I mean, you can you can network. You can search for jobs you can like tend to your site and express your interests and the things that you're
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Chris Phillips: Excited about on your site. And then when you're truly expressing those interests and passions. Other people connect with that. And it's kind of amazing how what a great tool that can be and how that can lead to
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Chris Phillips: In person contact as well, like so. Yeah, exactly. You got to figure out what what's your way into it with and then train people to be authentic to themselves like I think sometimes when you say like networking. People think like, Hey, I'm Chris. Here's my card. Yeah. And we're going to
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Chris Phillips: Like no, it doesn't. It does not have to be like that. You, you try to find out how are you going to do your authentic networking and who you're going to do that with and you know it takes some time and some hopefully some support from, you know, career center kinds of activities.
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Akil Hill: Like, that's when you said that I was like that's the old school like that's kind of like generational how you you grew up where you go in, you're like, Hey, my name is to kill I'm this I'm at. And it's probably not like that anymore.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, I feel like young folks. There are a little better than networking than, than I was. I mean, I grew up thinking about the meritocracy. So I was like, if you do work hard, do your job, do your best, you will
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Hong Lieu: I'm keeping that machine chug. They'll just look at me and realize how good of a job. I'm doing
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Hong Lieu: And the worry about networking. You're crazy. And you because they worked in TV and stuff. So I was like, oh, that's just a Hollywood thing that's an entertainment nonsense networking i i do this kind of work I need they look at my work. And you know what they don't look at my work.
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Hong Lieu: They do, they do.
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Hong Lieu: They do. But if it gets done and done well that's all the matters. And then so so you know like so that so that aspect of it and see that I'm no social media no LinkedIn know anything
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Hong Lieu: And I'm still that way to my detriment. Probably, but you know it's one of those things where I
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Hong Lieu: I've seen that where once again back to balance this holistic approach. It's not all about meritocracy work. It's not all about networking connections, because if you got a ton of great network and great connections that you
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Hong Lieu: You're not going anywhere, either. So you need that balance you need you need the skills and the networking. It's got to be the total package, which is why
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Hong Lieu: You know that things are the way they are, where even college admissions. If you don't have the clubs, if you know this, they want that total package, it's not always the best way to evaluate for being completely honest, but same time
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Hong Lieu: It's, you know, the, it's the problem the decision making, going back to the decision making process discussing before
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Akil Hill: I'm curious to know like how did. So how did you end up at Santa Barbara City College. And what was your path, Chris.
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Chris Phillips: Well, I was a student before I was an employee and I was in the in the culinary program at Santa Barbara City College, back, back in the day.
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Chris Phillips: You know for some time, but I decided that it wasn't quite, you know what I was after. And I've always was just kind of a seeker in like I want to do something that
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Chris Phillips: I out of that internship. I got my first job in the field at University of Oregon. I worked there for about five years. And then the director position came up at SPC CC or one too many seeds there.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, it's really nice. Now you've been recently to the show or anything like they really got heated up. So it's pretty nice.
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Akil Hill: A quick plug for the movie The wood. I don't know if you've seen that, but I'm sure both. You guys have. But yeah, that that will be great.
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Chris Phillips: It's really cool.
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Hong Lieu: I just wish there was a point where I, I, at some point I would transition it and feel like a Santa Barbara local but i don't i don't think it's been long enough for me. I don't have that. It's just, I feel like I need to know more.
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Hong Lieu: I guess I guess that's a nice segue into our food section, though.
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Hong Lieu: Anyone want to lead us off in terms of things we've been eating or things we've been doing lately. I can, I can start if we'd like.
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Hong Lieu: And I know going into this week, Chris. Want to talk about some home cooking stuff. So I wanted to lead off with
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Hong Lieu: Something I made recently that I, I didn't grow up with it, even though it is a kind of a Hong Kong Cantonese staple of Coca Cola winnings.
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Hong Lieu: Basically, it's like a braised style chicken. I have. I have. I love wings always lovelies my whole life and mostly just had the deep fried buffalo style.
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Hong Lieu: So the braised wing is something that my mom. I grew up in my mom making and I guess in Hong Kong with the first introduced Coca Cola in the
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Hong Lieu: Want to say 70s or 80s folks are using is like a simple syrup kind of thing. So they poured into the brace and just use that as the bracing fluid and so
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, what you do, basically you get wings for I'm a full size 33rd crispy you throw coke in there, he breaks it down to, it's just almost nothing then you turn the heat to high toss them in that picture this lesson service is
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Hong Lieu: There's a lot of posts online about kids growing up nostalgic for the Coca Cola wings that the parents are making like as a treat. So
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Hong Lieu: I I'm Cantonese ethnicity, but I didn't. My mom didn't really do that growing up. So I want to try it and they are delicious. Absolutely.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, you could probably do the same thing with any sort teriyaki or any kind of just thick sugar based kind of sauce, but as a quick. I mean, I was thinking about this and
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Hong Lieu: There's there's those kind of simple one kind of like quick to prepare dishes in every culture like in college. Some someone showed me like the cream of mushroom soup with a hamburger patty and
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Hong Lieu: You know, it's a similar kind of thing where it's really good, really filling and not hard to make. So yeah, all you need chicken wings.
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Hong Lieu: Can Of Coke, you can add whatever other season you want garlic, soy sauce. Whenever you else you think would be good with it.
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Hong Lieu: But you throw the chicken in there. Throw the coke in there, put a lid on it, come back when it's when it's reduced and toss it up and serve it. That's it. So it's a really nice dish. Now, Apple a recipe in the show notes.
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Chris Phillips: Aren't. That sounds so good. And I think, you know, people use Coke for cooking more often than you think you know like the other thing is coca so acidic.
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Chris Phillips: Well, it breaks down like the proteins of meats and makes it really tend to us a lot of barbecue if you're doing
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Chris Phillips: You know, or you know there's there's coconut and it and it just the sugar and then the you know the guy if you're in a lab and you do like an acidic test on a Coca Cola. It's like, it's like, oh, I'm drinking that
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Hong Lieu: They put the tooth in it, and then a week later, there's like nothing left. Yep. That's the first time I heard was, please tell me for coke down the toilet cleaning a toilet or something that's
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Hong Lieu: That. And I was like, what do you, but I love to drink this stuff. I'm not gonna waste it like that, but it does work. So, you know,
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Akil Hill: That makes me not want to drink Coke.
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Hong Lieu: I drink a lot of cells are now. And I wondered about the carbonation effect with just just no sugar added Seltzer. Like, am I doing
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Hong Lieu: Myself. That way I don't know, but I can't help it. It's like, it's like the nicotine patch for my soda addiction. You know, I used to be a soda junkie. Like I was drinking unbelievable amounts of the stuff
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Hong Lieu: But switching to sell through. I mean, I've been able to cut it out just switch to sell sooner but I know there's price will bad stuff there too, but I can't help myself.
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Chris Phillips: Everything we do is bad for us. You know, it's
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Hong Lieu: Balance and moderation that that should be a theme of this episode is the whole that holistic approach find that balance find things, you know, the 6040 7030 decision making, you know, absolutely.
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Chris Phillips: All jokes aside, I couldn't agree with you more. And like that that's that's the, that's the goal right is finding some balance and it seems harder and harder to do.
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Akil Hill: Well, I, I'm gonna I'm gonna piggyback off of
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Akil Hill: Hong because maybe about it. I think it's about a couple weeks ago, actually. Yeah, I think it was beginning of September.
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Akil Hill: You know, we usually
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Akil Hill: Go to LA markets or the Korean or Japanese markets and usually stockpile for the month. So we do it usually every month. And this time.
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Akil Hill: Pretty hungry. So I was like, look, I'm gonna stop and get something well didn't really was looking at the you know the traditional Korean food like there'll be been bought and the job che and all that, but
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Akil Hill: I ran into in the food court, there was a restaurant called a gentle, gentle chick and it specialized and chicken and fried chicken. So I got I got two things. I got a chicken sandwich was a waffle chicken sandwich.
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Akil Hill: Crazy good of the outside in lieu of the bread, they did the the waffles. The chicken was obviously fried and then it had, like, like a spicy sauce on it with cabbage and that was really good. I sent picture I sent a picture to Hong. He was like, Yo where you at, where you
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Hong Lieu: Does that kind of thing. You know, it's like an LA thing. So it's, it's, yeah.
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Chris Phillips: But on in chicken.
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Akil Hill: The sandwich wasn't. But what I really want to rave about was the wings, because I got just, I got you know I can't go to a wing joy and I get wings. I'm a wink do too.
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Akil Hill: And then when I say wing. I mean wings like no gristle like just leaving the bone.
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Akil Hill: Some people like I'm a wing person and then you watch them eat.
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Akil Hill: And you see all the cartilage. You see the gristle like no you're not a weak person. My bad.
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Akil Hill: I am a wing, dude. And so I got it was. It's a Korean own company, and it was. They're called like Korean Fried wings and it was like, I think they do them in like rice flour.
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Hong Lieu: You can fluctuate. It's like a lot of times, like potato starch wheat.
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Hong Lieu: Flour. I mean, Korean Korean chicken is kind of having a moment, and then I think about is not just the breading but they fry it twice. It's like the stuff right that's right twice. They do a quick fry and they do a second fried for that extra Christmas. So let's just
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Akil Hill: Man, it was all that all that crispy on the outside, moist juicy on the inside and the flavoring was a real good. I
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Akil Hill: There's, you know, like sometimes like it's overwhelming for me when I go to the wings spots because there's like 20 different
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Akil Hill: Options and it's this. And then there's different ranges of heat and all that. So I just asked the guy. I'm like a tell me what's good pick it out.
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Akil Hill: So I don't even really remember what flavor was, but it was like, I know it was like a it was. I remember chili coming through garlic coming through and man like I'm not even gonna lie. When we get paid. Next week I'm going back
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Akil Hill: Those wings are good, like one of the best ones I've ever had. Gentle chick. I don't even think they have a website. I just think it's
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Akil Hill: A mom and pop shop in the grout Galleria in Northridge in the Korean market area just in the food court. So I've been trying to find a website, I don't. I didn't see anything on them, but I've seen like their reviews reviews on them on Yelp and stuff.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, but I don't. I didn't find an actual website. So that is a good sign of being authentic to as well was when you can't find a website for them.
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Chris Phillips: But how does their chicken sandwich compare with the pop is fried chicken sandwich.
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Akil Hill: You know what I here's my thing on the on the Popeye's fried chicken sounds I tried it. I don't. It wasn't that good to me. My opinion and the reason why is because Popeyes like
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Akil Hill: It did not consistent, it at least my experience with pop is sometimes you can go, it can be really good. Sometimes it can just be horrible.
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Akil Hill: And I think I just got I went on a horrible day and cuz it just, I was. I didn't think it was that good, you know,
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Akil Hill: But by far. This place is better people are sleeping on Korean Fried chicken, y'all. Man, like if you haven't been. I mean, I know how knows, but there's like Korean Fried chicken is a real thing and even Japanese fried chickens, a real thing.
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Hong Lieu: And they just we've had, they have a ton of chains. And then there's a keel Jon Bon Sean. There's a ton of LA. They just opened one in Isla Vista Vons fried chicken. I mean, you look it up. You like bonds. But yeah, it's, it's, I guess it's from San Jose.
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Hong Lieu: They opened up. It's a Korean style fried chicken place there where they're doing the whole bird and the wings and stuff so so that's the only place I know I've been town so far that's doing Korean Fried chicken here but it but yeah for that twice fried super crispy kind of
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Akil Hill: But I've just say like, you know, it's just worth this the expression. It is that good. So if you guys ever find yourself in Northridge in the valley get. It's called the Galleria that's like the shopping mall actually right when you walk in, so the left hand side and do yourself a favor.
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Chris Phillips: Nice.
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Chris Phillips: So, you know, the main thing I've been doing this.
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Chris Phillips: I definitely, I definitely bake quite a bit. Just always I was a one of my jobs before this job. I was a baker.
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Chris Phillips: I was trained by a master French Baker, who was literally certified by this country of France as a master Baker and learn how to make
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Chris Phillips: You know, I did that for a while and I really enjoyed it. Some of my best memories of that job, you know, we're like at like three in the morning, breaking into a warm loaf of bread, having some stinky French cheese and a glass of wine.
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Chris Phillips: It was, it's like is the best thing ever. You know you're tired, you're so tired, you're like hallucinating and you're working so hard and
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Chris Phillips: So, but bread is a love of mine and I got back into it. I'd make loaves, but I didn't have a sourdough starter. It was, it's, it's something you kind of gotta like feed and you got to like take care of and baby it and I was just kind of didn't have time for it. But now, now I do
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Chris Phillips: It's been, it's just like it with any kind of like even fried chicken, the rabbit hole. You can go down of the different ways to do it. The techniques, the styles like so. So guys, I'm actually like buying like 50 pound bags of flowers from like artists in flour mills in Petaluma California
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Chris Phillips: That's the kind of thing I'm doing like I'm getting the good ingredients I took me, you know, a couple weeks to create my own sourdough starter. So it's a perfect time because you know
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Chris Phillips: You realize like these national supply food supply chains, they break down very quickly in a bad situation like this, like, you couldn't find flower on the shelves. You couldn't find a commercial yeast on the shelf.
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Chris Phillips: And so I took a step back and was just like wow this is this is really this is worse than not having toilet paper. I can't, I can't get any flour.
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Chris Phillips: There's yeast in the air. Right. It's just it just lives in the air. It's on our skin different regions have different species of yeast.
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Chris Phillips: And all you do is you add flour and water together. In my case, I also added a bag grapes read organic unwashed grapes, because there's yeast cultures on the grape skins to
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Chris Phillips: And it's this incredible process of it just turns into this beautiful smelling wonderful ooze of a thing. But like through that process. Part of it in the time you're thinking, okay, this is going to kill somebody. It's so disgusting.
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Chris Phillips: But then it kind of like evolves into this beautiful natural way to 11 bread. So I don't use any commercial yeast at all. And I'm making beautiful like sourdough loaves.
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Chris Phillips: And and other things, you know, I made a chocolate dark chocolate cherry sourdough low kind of
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Chris Phillips: blew away. The, the, you know, the best thing about making bread, too, is like you can't eat it all so
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Chris Phillips: You got it. You've got to give it to people. So, you know, making having to ride my bike over to my boyfriend's house in Carpinteria and dropping off a loaf of dark cherry, you know, chocolates.
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Chris Phillips: Live on is you pretty popular, you know, in the town. So, and then it's just it's just been an amazing
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Chris Phillips: Thing to focus on. There's something wonderful about making bread, because a lot of times I bake bread. It's like a three day process you
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Chris Phillips: You feed the starter enough where it's going to be ready for bread, then you mix the bread and you prove it. On the second day
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Chris Phillips: And let it like sit for maybe about 12 to 20 hours and then on the third day you're taking those things and you're putting them in the oven and you're making a loaf. And I think especially in this pandemic.
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Chris Phillips: Like having these little like capsules of time that I felt like, Hey, I'm doing something I can see the end of it. And there's a process and the end there's an actual product that you can, you know, get excited about and love and smell. And so it's been a
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Chris Phillips: Obsession maybe is Fair. Fair to say
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Akil Hill: Well, it's just to let you know I'm in car to
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Akil Hill: Shoot you a text my ideas come through.
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Chris Phillips: Because actually, I saw you walking down, London. The other night. And I said, oh, you must live in carp now and so like I need to know this. A key also like
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Chris Phillips: Neighbors. It's happening. Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: So what makes the bread sour just for a layman task. Is it a lay person is it does it the fermentation of the the sourdough starter or is there something you add to it.
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Chris Phillips: No, it's purely so when what you have in a sourdough starter is water flower yeast and beneficial bacteria.
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Chris Phillips: And they're what they eat is the sugar in flowers in the flower that you're putting in, and they react to different flowers in different ways. So like a unbelief white flour versus arrived flower. A whole week they have different kind of like
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Chris Phillips: Ways, they respond and then you when you they say something about feeding a starter you put in more flour, water.
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Chris Phillips: And then the yeast and the beneficial bacteria is they start to eat that up. They're having their lunch and they're they're feeling strong
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Chris Phillips: And that's when you see the byproduct of that eating that is is gases and other things that actually make the dough rise, it's, it's your level.
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Chris Phillips: And then there's a there's a taste factor in this too. And so some people use a young sourdough starter, which is maybe just been fed and left to sit for maybe a few hours.
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Chris Phillips: And then you're going to get a barely perceptible almost nobody kind of sourdough flavor. You might not even associated with sourdough at all.
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Chris Phillips: Now if you let that go longer there's going to be more buy products from the yeast being fed and then there's going to be more flavor.
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Chris Phillips: And then if you let it go long enough where it peaks and then it starts to go down, that's when you start to get a little bit of the the funkiness from the, the byproduct of yeast and that's when it gets our and then it can get way too sour.
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Chris Phillips: That it isn't very palatable. So it's really about time and temperature. And when you're deciding, and then also how much starter you choose to use will impact the the flavor of that sour flavor.
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Akil Hill: It's a science.
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Akil Hill: I got one question about that. So if you're gluten intolerant cake. I heard you can actually eat.
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Akil Hill: sourdough right fresh sourdough
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Chris Phillips: I will, you know, I'm not a doctor, I just play one on TV.
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Chris Phillips: So I don't want to give any medical
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Chris Phillips: But
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Chris Phillips: That's what they say, right, they say, because I'm saying this is a three day process. The sourdough starter is alive and it will stay alive for the rest of my life if I take care of it.
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Chris Phillips: And you know, you know what, I totally lost my train of thought, what was your question.
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Akil Hill: About gluten free can, yes.
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Chris Phillips: Right.
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Chris Phillips: And so, the slower rise, the slower process as opposed to like an industrial process is supposed to make the gluten more tolerable for people who are you know intolerant to
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Chris Phillips: Gluten it you know what gluten is is just is a byproduct of flour and water that's it's a it's a
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Chris Phillips: protein chain that happens when flour and water get mixed together and then industrial like baking. They really force that issue. And it's much harder to
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Chris Phillips: Digest and you know most Saturday, you go to Trader Joe's and you buy sourdough turn around, look at the ingredients list can have something in there that says don't conditioner.
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Chris Phillips: And we are like right in the face of it, you know, that's not a good thing.
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Chris Phillips: Like whatever that it's a natural thing. But that's what sour. That's what makes a commercial loaf of bread tastes sour, not a sourdough starter I'll know commercial bread loaf, even though they say sourdough
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Chris Phillips: They use don't conditioner that it gives them a little acidic Tang Enos, but it's not real. And so that, and that again is just like it's it's harder to digest. It's not good. It's not good for anybody really
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Akil Hill: There's a show on Netflix that I think it's called air.
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Akil Hill: Name of that was like air, water and fire, I think, are you familiar with that.
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Chris Phillips: That's really cool.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, he's talking about baking and stuff like that. I thought I was. It was a pretty good show.
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Hong Lieu: Our sourdough is having a moment to where a lot of pizza folks are doing sourdough based crust and sourdough bread loads or
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Hong Lieu: Or just everyone's bacon at home. So it's a nice time to kind of brush up on the kind of basics and this is a good very good fundamental breakdown me if you want to go try to make a lot myself but yeah
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Akil Hill: No, not me. I just want to eat it.
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Chris Phillips: I think a lot of people get turned off by, you know, and it's true to some degree about that you know that it's a science and that it's like it's the strict
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Chris Phillips: But a lot of ways, it's not, you know, like you're dealing with a living thing kind of a living entity.
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Chris Phillips: And sometimes, like if the day is like 80 degrees outside that living thing is going to act differently than if it's 65 degrees.
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Chris Phillips: You have different flowers that absorb water differently, you have different flowers that have different levels of protein in it.
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Chris Phillips: And so to be a good Baker. You also have to experiment, you have to like understand like the fundamentals of why you're doing something, but then you have to be able to adjust it. If it ain't working, you know,
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Chris Phillips: So like there is like a craft and feel to it, though. I also have a scale and like I'm
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Chris Phillips: Weighing my ingredients. Instead of using measuring cups. You know, like, so there there is a science to it. But then you also there's an art and feel to it, which I think gets me more excited about it. And there's a creativity to it. And there's a there's a
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Chris Phillips: There's a learning curve, you know, which is so exciting. It's fun to be get online and you know I listen to podcasts on making bread and
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Chris Phillips: The blogs and talking with people in the community and it's it's just amazing how passionate be and like you said home like everybody's doing it now because it's like, oh, you know, I want to make bread, but you can't buy used to, you know, you can't get flower and all that stuff.
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Chris Phillips: And I make a lot of pizzas with it too. I make pizzas probably like to, I asked my family is like, Is it okay if I make pizza again.
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Chris Phillips: Am literally live off of it.
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Hong Lieu: And they'll never say no pizzas. Always good.
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Chris Phillips: Well, I got teenagers. So they're they're good at saying no.
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Hong Lieu: All right, and that and that brings us to our speaking of teenagers just our third or third up part of the show or last part of the show, which is our culture section. Anyone want to kick us off.
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Chris Phillips: Well, I want to take the guests privilege of going second or third because that I don't know, like, that sounds like a you guys are gonna sound like I don't know. I don't think I'm very cool, you know, so I don't know if, like, I'm gonna have some eggs on cultural
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Hong Lieu: And that's why we do this is because everyone like like we were talking earlier, everyone has an individual is different. So the things that affect you profoundly. I mean,
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Hong Lieu: You never know what it's going to be with individually you talk to and I think for folks who are listening who might not know about something that you really affected you and they pick it up and it affects them in a similar kind of way.
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Hong Lieu: That's kind of what we're going for here where we're kind of just kind of shining a light on things that maybe people might not know about or if they do it and they can live with it too.
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Hong Lieu: But it's what everyone everyone's answer is like always good and correct. So you'll never have a problem there. You know, so
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Chris Phillips: That's why I told you. Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: I'll kick it off. All right, my pic for this week is a book, it's, it's a breezy book because it's, there's not a lot. It's quick to read because it's a mix of images and words.
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Hong Lieu: Marshall McLuhan 1967 wrote a book called The medium is the massage. And I think the original title was The medium is the message, but
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Hong Lieu: I mean the the urban legend around it. Was it came off the printing press was an air.
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Hong Lieu: Massage and send a message and he went with it anyway because in a lot of ways it does fit kind of the story. The point of the book, which is
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Hong Lieu: That it's not just a message that is important and what people are doing. It's the medium that is transmitted upon
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Hong Lieu: And he goes back as far as the invention of the wheel on, you know, to the typewriter. I mean, the book is written in the 60s. So he was primarily speaking about TV and radio
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Hong Lieu: But he is also famous for coining the term global village, because he saw the effect of these technologies would have
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Hong Lieu: In terms of like radio and TV you're transmitting messages and signals.
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Hong Lieu: A lot farther out so that in terms of what used to be like a local transmission in terms of you getting like a discussion circle and your local town or neighborhood.
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Hong Lieu: Has now become like a city circle state circle, a country circle and now a global circle. So, you know, the term global village.
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Hong Lieu: And in terms of speaking talking about TV and 16th how pressure and it is in terms of how far we've gone down this path. You know, there's a there's a famous
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Hong Lieu: quote in the book that you know that all media all media work this over completely there so pervasive in their personal political, economic,
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Hong Lieu: Aesthetics psychological moral, ethical and social consequences they leave no part of us untouched on affected unaltered, you know, and he's talking about television, radio
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Hong Lieu: So in terms of how
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Hong Lieu: Much farther that has gone. You know how they how you felt that then and now that we are like exponentially more kind of ingrained in the media because
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Hong Lieu: You know, the, the, the fact that it does come in on digital screens is different than if it was if all these things that are being spit out there were just on typewritten pages that we got in the mail.
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Hong Lieu: Or in a in a book that that was released every three months, the fact that is also instant
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Hong Lieu: And pervasive and all encompassing like, you know, like there's, you know, like that. You can see how it not only the message is important, but the media that is transmitted on
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Hong Lieu: And the ramifications of that media are so important as well. So I think that was a good, a good point from the book to make and the way they do it in the book is by
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Hong Lieu: They had a visual artists work on kind of some representation of thing. So when you read in the book, there are images that you read
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Hong Lieu: There are words that are used as images i mean it's it's kind of a really cool kind of like media analysis and just kind of, it's a cool book to go through and it's quick. You can read it in a in a morning, afternoon easily
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Hong Lieu: So yeah, medium is the massage by Marshall McLuhan that's my pick for this.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, it's a and it's, yeah. It's something that it's just gets kind of more we're more aware of it now, but it's always something to think about.
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Hong Lieu: In terms of always not just what you're saying, but where you're saying it on like
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Hong Lieu: Those, those ideas of maybe you shouldn't say that on the internet. I mean, that's absolutely a valid thing to to kind of considered like there's always
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Hong Lieu: There's always things to be said. But maybe not on the internet or maybe not in the written page you're turning interest assignment or maybe not here. There
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Hong Lieu: The media. The media that you transmit is very important, especially in this, you know, connected global village that we are now at all.
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Chris Phillips: Yes, and even more so kind of how politically polarized. We are how, like, more than ever, specific media outlets like represent your social political views.
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Chris Phillips: Because you're consuming or you're presenting on that bad media like if you're, you know, if you're on Facebook or if you're on Fox News or you know whatever they are, like, it's like we have these like cultural
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Chris Phillips: Decisions about what you're representing because you're on such a platform and social media LIKE IF YOU PUT PLUG social media into that book. I'm, I'm sure it's just
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Chris Phillips: It's right in
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Hong Lieu: Yet they have that Netflix show the social dilemma that was that came out recently and that kind of speaks on and now the algorithm that book it that is in the back end of a lot of this stuff.
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Hong Lieu: Is absolutely part of that conversation. The algorithm has fundamentally changed in terms of the reward receptors that it fires upon in our brains to make us keep scrolling and keep scrolling.
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Hong Lieu: I mean that's that's absolutely a big part of why media today is. So kind of like year where me and how and why we're so unable to come to consensus, because
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Hong Lieu: If I don't agree with you. I don't have to try to work with you to come to agreement, I can just retreat farther back into my wormhole. There's plenty of people around here that agree with me just fine. So, you know, I don't need to even work on that.
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Hong Lieu: So those are kind of interesting conversations to have going forward. And that doesn't even touch on the, on the, like the bullying.
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Hong Lieu: The direct mail the DM stuff that goes on that we don't have that. So it has nothing to do with algorithm. And it has to do with humans interacting with each other and you know trolling and being mean to each other. So yeah, it's a loaded kind of media world we live in right now, for sure.
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Akil Hill: Absolutely.
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Hong Lieu: Alright.
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Chris Phillips: I watched a TV or like a mini series that I loved it was called devolves have either. Have you seen that
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Akil Hill: Oh no, I haven't heard even heard about it.
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Chris Phillips: Is
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Hong Lieu: Maybe. Oh yeah, I did.
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Chris Phillips: One of my favorite shows
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Chris Phillips: Is directed been written by Alex Garland. So I'm a huge like sci fi nerd kind of guy and but this one kind of looks at
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Chris Phillips: It's it's a it. It's kind of like in Silicon Valley, or at least an alternative universe Silicon Valley and a big internet company and it dives into kind of
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Chris Phillips: Quantum physics and philosophy and spirituality and a kind of a theory of everything and it is it is moody and and nerdy and just the acting is just, just on point and really
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Chris Phillips: For like a sci fi nerd like me like gets you thinking about things and I was engaged from the first minute to the last minute was just incredible.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, I haven't had a chance to check it out. But Alex Garland's directed X Makana which is, you know, an excellent movie. And then also annihilation, which I really liked, but was a lot more mysterious in terms of
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Hong Lieu: There's a lot to kind of unpack in that movie as well. So I was definitely it was on my radar. I totally forgot about it. So I'm glad you mentioned it cuz I do want to
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Chris Phillips: Bring it up. Yeah. I loved annihilation. And I think there's some of those vibes.
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Chris Phillips: Of that mystery and just that routing, kind of like slow pace of like you're not sure where this is going, or what's happening and the music is fantastic. Some great like Moody synth music and it's just it's just so good. I love it.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, because x x makan is a definite vibe and, you know, but it has the narrative flow is pretty straightforward to a certain extent annihilation. Like, it started straightforward.
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Hong Lieu: And then it just went every which way. And then by the end, I was like, okay, I need to watch that again like right away to try to unpack some of the things to try to figure out, you know,
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Hong Lieu: Kind of what's going on. But I think that was kind of intentional that they want to leave it something's a little open ended, you know,
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Chris Phillips: I agree. I think Sci Fi is improved, you know, once you start answering all the questions. It's like, yeah, this is that good is it
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Hong Lieu: Yeah. Yes. I thought it was really a lot of universe creation before and now they're leaving a lot more to the hands of the experience or the viewer so that I do enjoy that because
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Hong Lieu: Because the the world that's created after the film or after the show where all this fan fiction and things of that sort of where people are just expanding and building the universe's
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Hong Lieu: I think that's a cool aspect of definitely the modern sci fi world we live in.
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Hong Lieu: And the fact that it's actually acceptable to be into that stuff because, as someone who was both fat and into nerdy stuff before it was cool.
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Hong Lieu: Like the slings and arrows that I had to bear throughout my life for liking certain things are being a certain way, which are now. Okay. Absolutely. It's like I'm glad. I made it to this other side
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Hong Lieu: It's nice over here.
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Chris Phillips: I'm with you. You'll have to help me develop into a higher level of human being because I think I'm
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Chris Phillips: Still slinking around being shameful about
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Chris Phillips: You know, playing video games and watching nerdy sci fi movies, but I do
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Hong Lieu: That
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Hong Lieu: Like I still remember I still remember we had a friend whose brother had like a Boys to Men CD in a CD collection, and that was enough to be like your brother. Listen, tonight, even him his brother.
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Hong Lieu: Your brother. This is the boys. The men.
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Hong Lieu: You really want to hang out with the with the punks right now. I don't think and your stuff like that and I, and that was. I mean, I didn't talk about like the comics. I was into
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Hong Lieu: Like all the video games I play like you certain it was like many faces too many people I had to put on different faces to do to other people. I mean, the fat thing that was just rough because I can't hide that I can't pretend I'm skinny to anybody.
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Hong Lieu: But, but at least the stuff I'm into. I can hide. But yeah, now or no.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, in the grand scheme of things are much more accepting world and a world where I mean, I guess the Marvel Universe is is the reason for it. I don't know, but
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Hong Lieu: Everyone's much more into all this kind of stuff. So, so not even just like mines were just people are okay with whatever we be if you're not a like minded, like all it's cool. It's all good.
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Chris Phillips: Exactly, yeah.
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Chris Phillips: I agree. Yeah.
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Akil Hill: So is that Netflix, Chris.
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Chris Phillips: It's on Hulu.
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Chris Phillips: Hulu like original or whatever.
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Akil Hill: Okay out to look for that.
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Chris Phillips: It's real good. I think you'll enjoy it.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah. So I mean, and
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Hong Lieu: And Alex garlin has a pretty decent falling down. Yeah, I can't believe it slipped off my radar. So thank you very much for mentioning that. Absolutely.
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Akil Hill: Man. That's no joke, man boys to man was everything to me back in the day.
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Hong Lieu: Oh, and that's the thing, who didn't who didn't have a graduation order, where they play like end of the road, you know, or on bended knee at the slow dance like those are those are just like jam. So, I mean, you know, we talk about Motown Philly.
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Akil Hill: Philly Motown
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Hong Lieu: spaced out like yeah
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Hong Lieu: That's a Hall of Fame like some of the best Vocalist of all time. So, like, like, and now we can talk about that and be like,
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Hong Lieu: Oh, there is no more like everything is one genre music is music, but before then, it was back then, it was very segmented like even metal kids and punk kids didn't get along.
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Akil Hill: And yeah, right.
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Hong Lieu: There like next door neighbors. You know, like
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Akil Hill: Yeah, right.
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Hong Lieu: How can you, how can you begin to fist fights about the nuances between. I mean, talk about nerds, you're fighting each other over nuances and style that is literally like, you know, like 20 beats per minute. That's it. You know, so
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Akil Hill: Well, there was always that classic argument about Boys to Men are Joe to see what type of person are you
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Akil Hill: If you pick God see you or certain kind of person. If you put them in your different type of person. So, yeah.
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Chris Phillips: Yeah, we have a career assessment at the Career Center.
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Akil Hill: You know, I was funny thing about this assessment careers, so it'd be kind of funny to do
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Akil Hill: During in service, you know, to people who are already you know employee, because there's a lot of people probably in a, in a field that you know they're, you know, they think that they enjoy doing. But maybe it's not a good match you know it's going to be kind of fun to do that.
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Hong Lieu: Oh, I thought, I thought you're gonna have in service was gonna ask boys and men are Joe to see people get into two circles.
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Hong Lieu: And then you had KC and Jojo. And that's like a small little group like to pop you know like
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Akil Hill: I think Dr. G would be Boys to Men.
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Akil Hill: That's funny.
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Akil Hill: So I guess my piece that I want to share with everyone is I started a new series.
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Akil Hill: It's called Lovecraft Lovecraft country.
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Akil Hill: To new series on HBO. It's an American or drama film.
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Akil Hill: It was the series was developed by I think her name is Michelle green
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Akil Hill: But it's based upon a 2016 novel entitled love cast country and it's about
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Akil Hill: It's about it takes place in the 50s, which is the segregated 50s and and it's about a young black man who is basically travels across
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Akil Hill: The segregated United States in search of a missing is missing father
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Akil Hill: As well as learning like dark secrets playing in a town on which the famous horror writer HP Lovecraft
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Akil Hill: Had base location of his various tell. So it's a really, really good series like this, not my typical drama or what I would enjoy or get into just because of the kind of some, some of the horror
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Akil Hill: That's involved, but it's kind of like sci fi scary but man, it's it's it's really, it's really well done. I can't even
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Akil Hill: Given enough kudos, it's really kind of opened my eyes how he they just do an amazing job at dealing with the segregated places in this country. There's little into Windows of race.
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Akil Hill: Or it's just I it's so good. If you have HBO, you have to check it out. Like you don't miss it. Don't be late have
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Akil Hill: You have to check it out. It's really good. You know, I think it opened in think it premiered in on the 16th of August. So, I mean, I think. We're barely like a month in so it's not too far to get caught up.
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Chris Phillips: Did you guys watch watchmen on HBO.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, that was good. Yeah. That was good. Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Just one to me too.
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Chris Phillips: Yeah, I just saw it in the I was trending. And I didn't know that means we're on but that that was, that was a hard show to watch sometimes, but it was a it was a real real good show.
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Akil Hill: Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And especially, like you mentioned the free show Chris about, you know, having this framing this conversation Lovecraft country having a black cast
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Hong Lieu: To having racial conversations with HP Lovecraft wasn't a Tory is racist. I mean, he's, he created some great stories, you know, the
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Hong Lieu: mountains of madness and all that. But in terms of personal life seemed like a terrible, terrible person.
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Hong Lieu: To kind of have these conversations on top of that name is is a powerful statement to make it 2020 so I think I feel like the creators very conscious of that are doing doing a good thing kind of having that conversation. Absolutely. Yeah.
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Chris Phillips: It's amazing how he has been so persistent in, you know, popular culture as far as like, there's always video games coming out like HP Lovecraft there's like books and it's amazing that somebody like that and some of his views has been such a so stable and as far as our attention.
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Akil Hill: Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: To Lou. That's what it is.
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Chris Phillips: Yes, it's like
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Hong Lieu: The all one of the all time great sci fi monsters of the early era that just persists to this day. Yes.
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Chris Phillips: And
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Akil Hill: You know, it's really kind of gripping that stuff that you know I'm kind of processing through watching this show is that despite all the horror and
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Akil Hill: Just what you witness in terms of like the monster effects and that kind of thing. But at the end of it when you strip all that away. It's the racism that is truly like
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Akil Hill: At the root of it and and that's really scary. In some ways, you know, even, you know, because, because that's people's lived experiences. So it's like, I can't. I know a lot of
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Akil Hill: Circles that I'm in, you know, with other black people and everyone's ranting and raving about it there. So it's, it's definitely worth worth
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Akil Hill: Checking checking it out. Don't miss it.
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Chris Phillips: Thanks man definitely check that out.
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Hong Lieu: Excellent. Pick alright so that
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Hong Lieu: wraps up this this episode of the voices. Thanks again to Chris for coming on the show. Is there any any before we go, Chris. Anything else you want to plug anything you want to mention about career center higher functioning in these covert times anything, you know,
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Chris Phillips: No, I think we're, we're trying to be very proactive about reaching out to students directly, you know, email, the whole campus and you know so
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Chris Phillips: We're doing our work and just, I just wants students to I want to try to find the students who need us and get them into our services. And so if anybody's listening to this and just, just tell them we're still working and
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Chris Phillips: Then we were sending out weekly, you know, information about what we're doing. And it's amazing how
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Chris Phillips: All of us have adjusted to this and with almost without missing a beat. So
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Chris Phillips: I just think if you in the past. If you thought you'd come to the Career Center for something you can come, you can come here now and I don't know where you're coming, but I guess.
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Chris Phillips: To to the to the, you know, to starfish into our zoom calls and, you know, I've also been very inspired by
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Chris Phillips: Online Education and trying to set up a lot of things that students can do asynchronously.
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Chris Phillips: Working in the career center. So it just doesn't have to be a one on one conversation because with our small staff we we can't do that. So I've been really trying to be inspired by asynchronous online education for a certain segment of the students, you know, so
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Chris Phillips: That's all I just want to please just, you know, come find us. And you know we we can we can help you out and
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Chris Phillips: Then secondly, I just want to thank both of you for inviting me on and doing a podcast like this.
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Chris Phillips: To my favorite people at work and it's really, really cool thing I just want to give you a lot of kudos for doing it. I really appreciate
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Chris Phillips: Even listening to the ones I, you know, haven't been on and I really appreciate being on and having the opportunity to talk to you. So thank you so much.
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Akil Hill: You're welcome. I'm great for you. I knew it was gonna be a great show. Super jazzed to have you here and look forward to maybe coming back to you at, you know, at some later later point in time again. Oh, yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Just a good I mean our whole goal here was just kind of
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Hong Lieu: Give a platform for the voices on campus let let people know what's going on around campus and all the people that make up the campus culture that is NSPCC and you're a great representation on that like as we started the show off. It was an honor to have you on
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Akil Hill: And
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, hopefully, we'll do it again sometime
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Chris Phillips: Well, it was an honor to be on. Thanks.
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Hong Lieu: Alright.
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Hong Lieu: So until next time we'll see everyone around and have a great day.
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Akil Hill: Take care. All right, bye.