Akil and Hong welcome Alyson Bostwick from Student Health and Wellness to the show, to discuss all of the services the department offers to students; along the way, the trio discusses on Alyson's 20+ year tenure with the college, with mentions of seared Ahi tuna, spicy fried rice, croissants, the Alien films, the Princess Bride, and Love Jones.
Mentioned in this episode:
Student Health and Wellness - https://www.sbcc.edu/healthservices/
Renaud's Patisserie and Bistro - https://renaudsbistro.com/
Bree'osh - https://breeosh.com/
Seared Ahi Tuna - https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/seared_ahi_tuna/
Broiled Salmon - https://www.delish.com/cooking/recipe-ideas/recipes/a55654/best-broiled-salmon-recipe/
Trader Joe's Thai Spicy Fried Rice - https://eatnabout.com/2014/09/12/trader-joes-spicy-thai-shrimp-fried-rice-review/
Alien franchise - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(franchise)
Alien 3: The Unproduced Screenplay - https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/3002-529/William-Gibsons-Alien-3-HC
The Princess Bride - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Bride_(film)
Love Jones - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Jones_(film)
Lauryn Hill - The Sweetest Thing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Co5Kz2LuI
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Hong Lieu: Hello and welcome to another episode of SBCC Vaquero Voices! A Podcast highlighting the unique voices that comprise our campus culture and how we're all working together to serve our students and the community at large. As usual, I'm joined by my co host to Akil Hill.
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Hong Lieu: Guys, and today we are honored to welcome Alyson Bostwick to the show. Welcome.
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Hello.
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Hong Lieu: So in terms of is it like health and wellness is that the department or is it okay
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, I work in the student health and wellness and doesn't want me to talk about it now or we
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Hong Lieu: Can yeah i mean it's it's kind of, it's not like the nurse's office right like a school nurses office.
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, let me let me clarify, though.
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Alyson Bostwick: Let's talk about it. So are the student health and wellness office we the there is, there are nurses under our umbrella, but the umbrella covers
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Alyson Bostwick: Medical Services for students, you know, first day type medical services, basic, you know, if you have a respiratory infection, we do give antibiotics and so forth. When we're open obviously right now, we're not on campus. So it does cover basic
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Alyson Bostwick: Medical Services, and then the bigger umbrella is really mental health. We have Millie, we have two nurses. We have a Director of Student Health Services and we have two full time licensed therapists, including myself,
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Alyson Bostwick: And Lacey Peters part time licensed service Betsy Phillips and then about eight interns who are getting their hours or their doctoral practice comes through.
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Alyson Bostwick: In Roxanne was one of them, even back in the day getting their empty hours or MSW hours or their PhD practical and their and their supervisor mostly by me.
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Alyson Bostwick: Lazy does take a couple of them underneath that umbrella. We also have an anchor program that helps educate students on alcohol and drug issues substance issues.
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Alyson Bostwick: As well as, no pun intended. The well which is a free standing on the center down by kind of near the humanities building where we don't know if you've been in there, but we have you know snacks and beanbag chairs and
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Alyson Bostwick: Meditation times and group workshops and all kinds of wonderful activities that go on through the well and Becky has really done a good job of offering services remotely Becky beat me runs that so she would have been good to have her do another time and enjoy interviewing her
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Hong Lieu: So it's not just a prescriptive thing, it's more of like a holistic all aspects.
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Alyson Bostwick: And with the increased
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Hong Lieu: increased emphasis on mental health for for all folks not just students. But, you know, especially students during these times, I mean having a piece of that is probably the one of the more probably the more critical piece of the two than the nursing is the mental health aspect.
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Alyson Bostwick: Right now it is it's kind of because nurses aren't actually able to really see students, they
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Alyson Bostwick: They're doing some work, but they're not able to see them like we are with Tele health, we're doing
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Alyson Bostwick: Zoom and or phone sessions and we're pretty busy all of our counselors or booking since that's what's changed. I know one of the questions is, how have we changed during these remote services.
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Alyson Bostwick: So basically, all students can have access to us by calling or emailing the email the general Student Health email or calling the number we do have someone answering the phone during business hours are full time receptionist.
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Alyson Bostwick: And we are getting a lot of students coming in using the services because they're feeling very isolated and lonely and feeling like they need connection, especially with the upcoming election right around the corner.
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Alyson Bostwick: There's a lot of anxiety and stress compounding the global pandemic. So it's a time where we're definitely seeing an influx of services, especially as we get closer to the holidays and finals and always gets more busy as well.
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, so students with through the student health and wellness office students pay a healthy when they pay for their classes at the $22 health fee per semester.
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Alyson Bostwick: And that each student has up to six sessions per semester with one of us, which is really great if you consider how much it costs in the community to see someone they can also see a nurse. They can also you get over the counter medication when we're on campus and so forth and so on.
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Akil Hill: I think, I think that's a huge, huge
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Akil Hill: benefit that the students have and and and i think you know for our staff members on campus. I mean, I think it's worth mentioning it again that they get how many sessions.
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Alyson Bostwick: Up to six sessions per semester. Yeah.
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Akil Hill: I mean that every, every employee at Santa Barbara City College should know that.
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Hong Lieu: You know, to me, that
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Alyson Bostwick: That students have this or just
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Akil Hill: Yeah, just the students. Yeah. Because if we're touching students every day in our
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Akil Hill: When you know we're back on campus. This is something I really feel that we as employees of the institution should be armed with because we've all seen that student that comes into our spaces that are a little bit distraught are going through some things, even if they don't necessarily
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Akil Hill: Take advantage of that right there. That moment by just being able to have that knowledge to suggest that to them. So then, at some point in time along the way during the semester.
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Akil Hill: You've already plant the seed within them. So I'm super glad that you brought that up and hopefully the listeners can actually, you know,
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Akil Hill: memorize that in arm themselves with that knowledge because I've been in situations we work across the way from you and we see students that are distraught and are going through it and
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Akil Hill: We should always be able to like offer that to them. Hey, did you just to let you know or be mindful that you have this
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Akil Hill: And you've paid for it. It's a service that like you're saying
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Alyson Bostwick: You know. Yeah, I agree. And people like you are very comfortable making those referrals and many people on campus are. I just want to throw a little
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Alyson Bostwick: Another suggestion or solution in there for those who aren't comfortable making that referral is that we have this report a concern on pipeline anybody whether your community member, a student employee.
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Alyson Bostwick: Teacher, whoever can report saying I'm really concerned about the student in my class or the student who came up to admissions or what have you.
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Alyson Bostwick: And then our behavioral intervention or care team if you will reach out to those students. So we do those reach outs on a weekly basis.
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Alyson Bostwick: Some and again someone like you, Akil is very comfortable walking a student over and we're on our campus or letting the note that some people are still a little uncomfortable.
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Alyson Bostwick: That's an ice. It's another way around that. For those who are less comfortable
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, in terms of direct inquiries. What's the easiest way to get in touch. Is it
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: On the website is there like that. There's the ask an IRS Form, but other. I mean, what are the various avenues folks again.
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, so on the website.
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Alyson Bostwick: It gives the number to call it, I can tell you right now. If anybody has a pen and pencil. This listening to this 805-730-4098 that's 805-730-4098 as a number you can call during business hours where our receptionist will answer and get an appointment for you with the counselor.
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Alyson Bostwick: Or you can go on to our website and press the email and inquire there.
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Alyson Bostwick: And there is, there are some intake forms, they have to fill out online. It takes about 10 minutes but just informed consent and Telehealth consent.
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Alyson Bostwick: And that can be determined for students sometimes they don't want to take the time to fill out the forms, but it is important that we legally that we have those forms, but basically they can call or email and we're really good about getting back to people.
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Hong Lieu: And this is six sessions per semester or
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Hong Lieu: For the semester. Oh.
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Hong Lieu: That's a great I mean for
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Alyson Bostwick: Summer yeah so fall, spring, summer. Summer, you could get 666 and yes it's and a lot of students are taking advantage of that right now because it's
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Alyson Bostwick: There just feeling lonely and isolated and stressed and having to adjust to online classes and adjust to
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Alyson Bostwick: You know, not either being in a bubble with people who they're kind of feeling like they need space or feeling isolated.
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Alyson Bostwick: And it's just, again, the whole upcoming election everything. There's so much going on right now for people that having someone to talk to, and just having someone be there for you for 4550 minutes can feel really good.
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Hong Lieu: And even and even folks that don't feel quote unquote lonely. I mean, I think we're over over the time the last 1015 years we've seen a real shift in terms of mental health and stuff like that, where, where it's not just folks that are feel lonely, you
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Hong Lieu: Don't want anyone to talk to. I mean,
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Hong Lieu: Therapy is to something you talk to someone that's licensed who can give you advice like you have friends you have peers. They give you advice and i mean i don't want to put a percentage on it, but a lot of it's wrong.
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Hong Lieu: Advice I agree with my friends. A lot of it has been wrong, you know, so it's just one of those things where
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Hong Lieu: It's nice to have just more input into your life you know just more opinion or just have have more people kind of give you just a once over can have a conversation talk things out.
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Hong Lieu: It's a chance to work things through you know with with different people, I mean that there's nothing wrong with additional perspective in your life.
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Alyson Bostwick: You don't have to be going through something really, really, really hard to see accounts or maybe just need someone to connect with
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Alyson Bostwick: You know, you don't have to be in a serious depression, you just might just say, Hey, I have this thing I want to run by in I need a sounding board.
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Alyson Bostwick: The cool thing about counseling and what makes it so valuable is we're objective.
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Alyson Bostwick: We don't know your significant other, we don't know. Mom and Dad. We don't know your path. We don't know your roommate. We don't know people so we can be completely objective.
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Alyson Bostwick: And be that sounding board to see tell you what we're seeing and what we're hearing
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Alyson Bostwick: And validate whatever the person is going through, you know, Friends often as much as we mean well, we want to fix the person's pain. We want to make them feel better. Where's the counselor will let you sit with it. And that's hard for people to do with their loved ones and friends.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, that's definitely something that I've seen normalized
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Hong Lieu: You know it more and more we're more folks that I never thought would get there, especially with with folks that I know in the Asian community where a lot of times that kind of stigma behind any sort of mental health services.
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Hong Lieu: Any sort of like it was all bootstraps and you know the bootstraps are pretty worn down. You know, like where you can get that outside help. And it's, it doesn't say anything about you as a person, whatever you
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Hong Lieu: Want to talk to somebody, people are there for you. And this is actually part of your, you know, your admission fees, you pay. I mean you paying for. You might as well use it, you know, if you don't need it, then you don't need it. But if you even think you might need it is worth
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Alyson Bostwick: Taking the time to reach. Absolutely. I just want to throw in there that it takes courage to ask for help. It takes courage to be vulnerable. It's not a sign of weakness to say, hey, I could really use someone to talk to you. Hey, I do it all the time.
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Alyson Bostwick: I'm talking with my colleagues and getting support.
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Alyson Bostwick: It is, it is not a sign of weakness, and I know a lot of us believe that. So a lot of the stigma around mental health is starting to go away a little bit, but it still exists, it still exists. It's important that we all work to D stigmatize it
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Akil Hill: I like the point that you made about, you know, reaching out, even if it's you're not necessarily in a bad situation right so
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Akil Hill: You know, like I think that's really important. You know, because sometimes I know like some people wait wait until things are rock bottom before they
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Akil Hill: Probably speak up and and and and that's good, too. But it's like how are you really operating and navigating your life, day in, day out. When things are good. You still can.
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Akil Hill: Always use that reinforcement or lean on someone when things are good. And so I really appreciate you saying that you know
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, it's true. And, you know, sometimes I'll have an appoint with this dinner, like, Gosh, I feel so much better than I did a couple of weeks. I'm not sure what to talk about. So we'll focus on how they got to that place where they feel
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Alyson Bostwick: Something. So what are the steps that you took to get yourself. Oh, wow.
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Alyson Bostwick: You know, I got some sleep. I took better care of myself. I got outside. I saw some friends I hadn't seen in a long time at a social distance picnic. I've been being kinder to myself I
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Alyson Bostwick: Been staying on top of my homework. So they can when you're in a good place. It's time. It's a great time to revalue like you were saying I kill
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Alyson Bostwick: You know, how did. What did I do to get here what coping skills that I use. So if I get to that place again where I'm down here, I can remind myself that I have those tools.
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Akil Hill: Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, that that reflection that evaluation is really, it's really something special because you don't, especially as you get older, you have less and less time to kind of do that, you're so busy with everything.
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Hong Lieu: And even and I think about it.
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Hong Lieu: When I was a student age you know i i really didn't know what the
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Hong Lieu: Deepest darkest pits were like in terms of mice, my, my brain where where you could go
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Hong Lieu: You know, so in terms of being able to reflect identify you know kind of processes and things like that and think about where you are.
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Hong Lieu: And and the possibly you could get worse, possibly could get better. You know, those, those various kind of permutations of life. I mean that's that's that's a really beneficial service for people
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, it's, it's an honor to be able to provide it. It's really, I felt so grateful to have
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Alyson Bostwick: A job where I can actually really help people, especially during this time and a job were needed
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Alyson Bostwick: You know, I just feel so bad for some of my friends who are massage therapists or other professions, where they they're on unemployment or they've lost their work and I'm feeling like, Gosh, I'm busier than ever, but I feel so I feel so blessed really
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Alyson Bostwick: To be able to help
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Hong Lieu: And in terms of that we're in terms of that workload. I mean, is there is there like a weight if you if you reach out for help. Is it like a one.
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Hong Lieu: Week two week turnaround as it
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Alyson Bostwick: Used to be, when we were on campus, I have to say we're busy, but we're able to get people in
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Alyson Bostwick: I think today we were booked. But every day we have urgent appointment slots. If someone really needed to be seen today. They could, but now you can get in within the week right now.
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Alyson Bostwick: We have not as many students are utilizing as when we're on campus because a lot of it is crisis they walk in the door and they're seeing know something's happening and they walk right in. And since we don't have that.
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Alyson Bostwick: Walking in crisis situation going on. It's not quite as busy is when we're on campus. So yes, the good news is they can get in sooner.
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Hong Lieu: So there's really nothing, we're
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Hong Lieu: Not really nothing preventing anyone from getting help if they want it out, you
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Alyson Bostwick: Know exactly some times. I don't know why, but they used to have to pay the healthy when they registered for classes now for some reason it's separate. So sometimes they they haven't paid the healthy so they just have to pay the fee.
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Alyson Bostwick: So a couple students, I noticed hadn't on banner hadn't paid the fee so just $22 which is really again like a killer was saying a pretty good deal for what you're getting.
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Hong Lieu: Through that's it at the student aid your, your insurance situations are kind of uncertain, like I was at Betsy, to which we
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Hong Lieu: Are coming off of your parents policy, you might not have insurance. So having that $20 like safety blanket where you can get some kind of service. I mean, let alone the six therapy session just getting a diagnosis to get some over the counter medicine.
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Hong Lieu: Is a lot of times
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Hong Lieu: You don't need the crazy, you know, you don't need the oxy cotton, if you just have like a knee sprain or something like that.
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Hong Lieu: Over the counter, you know, ibuprofen something look over you.
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Hong Lieu: You can't do X rays or anything like that. Right.
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Alyson Bostwick: No, no, I thought this would be a frozen. Right now, we're not actually been able to do the prescription everything with an
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Hong Lieu: RP
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Hong Lieu: Just say for, you know,
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Alyson Bostwick: When we're on campus. Yes, they can know X rays know lab work. But if you had strep throat, you could come in and get a strep test and get some antibiotics bladder infection. We have pregnancy tests, we have the the
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Alyson Bostwick: neighborhood clinics come in and they have a men and women's clinic where they can actually do pap smears and STD testing and pregnancy tests was pretty good. That's pretty great. They can do that on campus confidentially.
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Alyson Bostwick: And you know your basic strap ladder bronchitis, pneumonia, that can all be diagnosed and get medication for that. But yeah, no, no major X rays are labs.
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Hong Lieu: But, so that's a great I mean just entry level medical service and the counseling that therapies. That's just, I mean, that's awesome, because all everyone's licensed, you know, medical marriage, family.
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Alyson Bostwick: Counseling, just to clarify on that we've got three license myself Lacey Peters and that's the fellowship, a licensed therapist. The other clinicians are all Masters level clinicians
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Alyson Bostwick: That are getting either their PhD practical from UCSB or possibly Antioch, or they're getting their hours towards their license. They're all Masters level conditions, but
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Alyson Bostwick: The majority of our counselors are not licensed separate the two full time people myself and Lacey and then our adjunct therapist.
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Alyson Bostwick: But still, there are masters level clinicians and that's what you're going to get in the community at low cost agencies is the Masters level conditions that are underneath the supervision of a licensed therapist, like myself, so it's still a pretty good deal. Yeah, yeah.
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Akil Hill: Good.
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Akil Hill: Good.
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Akil Hill: I mean to like just speak to Hans point about, you know, pulling you know yourself up by your bootstraps and stuff like that. I mean, that definitely is probably in a lot of students, you know,
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Akil Hill: Like upbringing and also to also I think a little bit about
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Akil Hill: Like my parents and my parents. Parents like they didn't have those tools right so
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Akil Hill: Yeah, they said, you know, you gotta pull yourself up. But even if they weren't saying that they just didn't know how to access or they didn't have access to those type of things like therapy wasn't ever spoken.
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Akil Hill: Talked about in my home, not because they didn't want me to do it or or they didn't think it was about. I did it just, I don't think it was on their radar and that probably still happens in a lot of homes, you know,
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Hong Lieu: And I definitely feel like it's something that it's in our generation to kind of correct because for my mom like my mom just thinks back and how she raised us like, oh, it worked.
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Hong Lieu: My kids are on college, they're all doing great. But it's all the stuff that I had to hide from my mom, I had to keep like hang out my friends and like
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Hong Lieu: My family covered my friend cover and like all this stuff. I had to do to make to make it quote unquote work. And that's something where if I could have just brought everything to the surface and just deal with things as they were. I mean, you know,
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Hong Lieu: Exactly, exactly. Even to this day there's things. I don't even. There's things I don't
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Hong Lieu: I don't really bring up with her and like I'm watching a movie. Things are getting fast forward because I just don't. There's just certain things that are like, Nope. We don't
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Hong Lieu: There's not there's that line. You know, so I feel like going forward. And there's those relationships with with parents and their kids.
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Hong Lieu: Like that line is good, a quote unquote works. But there are other ways to do things and just to be open to those things and to let let those things play out their course.
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Hong Lieu: In my mind, that's how I visualize it. But you know, it's just one of those
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Hong Lieu: Things where yeah cuz yeah my moms like oh yeah words you guys all made to cause no went to jail, you're fine.
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Hong Lieu: But it's like I was, I was close to going to jail jail couple times, but you know I could no one knows about that.
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, trying to keep our eyes were wide open when we're parents, but that's easier for some than others.
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Akil Hill: But I also feel like to certain extent, some of the baseline has changed a little bit like maybe with our generation.
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Akil Hill: You know what I mean, like so, like how we talked about like my mother and my parents generation, like maybe there wasn't on the radar. But now, since
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Akil Hill: It's, I think it's a little bit more on people's radar and we're having these conversations about
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Akil Hill: Whereas before, it didn't even exist, you know,
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, I totally agree. And I'm I've been really impressed. Luckily, with least the school district that my kids have gone to, and that are my son, still in a Santa Barbara school district, how much they've made a focus on
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Alyson Bostwick: Social and emotional and mental health, especially during this pandemic and I've been sending out emails about, you know, this is these are the counseling. That's it. This is counseling. It's available.
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Alyson Bostwick: You know their teachers talk about it. The classes. Sometimes I walk by and I can hear my sons and P. Right now there is teacher was talking about. What's everybody doing to maintain their mental health. I mean, the teach
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Alyson Bostwick: I think, I think, at least here in Santa Barbara. You know, I know we're, we're very conscious town tend to be more liberal town that I'm seeing that happening. And I feel very grateful.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah. So yeah, because those pills pressures that kids go through, you know, elementary school, middle school, junior high, high school and then going into someone who really is BCC. Then they go on to your four year and it just, it just keeps ramping up
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Hong Lieu: And and for folks that are so used to the objective, you know, mere merit based objective based kind of progression.
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Hong Lieu: That's a perfect time to reach out and just talk to somebody else. I mean, you know, talk to your friends, of course, but
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Hong Lieu: To reach out to someone, especially if this is baked in to the deal. You get and you get six sessions a semester. It just makes a lot of sense where. Hey, I just want to run things by just, you know, just to say hello and to see what's going on. And sometimes those are the biggest breakthroughs.
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Alyson Bostwick: Exactly. It's scary. The first time, but I think that people's what I hear people say is, Wow, I'm so glad I did this, I thought it would be a lot more scary and
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Alyson Bostwick: It feels so good to talk to somebody. So I think it's just dipping your foot in and giving it a try, is a great idea and remembering that it takes courage and it's those those risks that we take and sometimes it really changed our lives healthy risks.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, and and with friends and with the with the internet culture the way it is. A lot of people are used to like even look at me just talk and talk and talk and you know like in terms of listening.
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Hong Lieu: That's a, that's a very, I mean it's a it's a skill at the outset, and then to get that next level where it's actually trained and taught and cultivated
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Hong Lieu: Like in a master's level and then you know certification level to get someone at that level of listening to listen to you talk. I mean that's that's really i mean i don't want he's word privilege, but it is very, I mean it's, we're lucky to have you lucky students
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Akil Hill: So look, I got a question for you. Alyson.
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Akil Hill: So how many years you've been at the college
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Alyson Bostwick: So it'll be 32 and December I started to try to do my story and little nutshell because it's kind of a funny. Interesting story.
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Alyson Bostwick: So I was at Antioch getting finishing my masters in clinical psychology at Gandhi UCSB and had student loans to pay off and jumped.
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Alyson Bostwick: Into the Masters level because I care about these loans and I thought maybe at that time. Maybe I wanted to do academic counseling at the college, but I wasn't at the college yet.
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Alyson Bostwick: So there's this little note on the board and Annie, I said $10 an hour. Granted, this was 1980 1988 guys so little note saying $10 an hour special apartment advisor Career Center academic counseling.
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Alyson Bostwick: So I called and I got an interview with Marco handles men who has a Council needs to be there. Were you there and Margo, is there a keel you
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Akil Hill: Remember Margo I yeah I remember and Debbie hired me to do.
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Alyson Bostwick: This basically work with academic counseling and Career Center. I won't go into that, but I got I finished my masters in March of 89 and they said, oh, you should
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Alyson Bostwick: At that point it was on the job training. You don't do that anymore. You have to have major experience for you can get hired on there, they hired me on the job training and this is when we used to be in the admission.
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Alyson Bostwick: In the administration office. We were didn't even have the Student Services Building. That was a broken down library at the time. So I started doing academic counseling in 89 and I
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Alyson Bostwick: Just to make trying to make a story a little shorter. I was going into a cafeteria to get some coffee and I saw this woman sitting at a table. Her name was Margaret to Sharm
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Alyson Bostwick: You know, maybe I should pursue my license because I had gotten the masters and I needed 3000 hours to get my license. Maybe you know I'm
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Alyson Bostwick: I did this training I should pursue my license. So I asked if they had any internships, she said no. But if you're willing to intern for free. We could talk to the director
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Alyson Bostwick: Director at the time, his name was Susan Broderick, we went and talked to her they hired me as the very first intern at the time. Student Health Service office was in where the bathroom is for the culinary arts. That's where our little office was
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Alyson Bostwick: Margaret ducharme who is a half time licensed therapist who supervise me so I became the first intern worked about 10 hours a week for
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Alyson Bostwick: Did that for several years until I got my license. By this time, we had moved over students helped to the Student Services Building
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Alyson Bostwick: And when I got was saying for my license Margaret had decided to go to private practice in the most of the most. So, the director said if you get your license. You can take her part time job. Oh gosh, I got a pass. I passed.
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Alyson Bostwick: The part time job at student health but still kept about six hours a week and academic counseling.
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Alyson Bostwick: And until I moved over part time to student health that was in the 90s 1999 when I happen to be pregnant with my daughter. She was born in 2000
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Alyson Bostwick: We did a whole feasibility study about why we needed a full time permanent mental health position and this was before nine 911 before the David radius.
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Alyson Bostwick: Accident in it before things went nuts. And so we did go through the academic academic senate to propose a full time position.
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Alyson Bostwick: Now at that time. Our president at the time who I adore he just felt it would be
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Alyson Bostwick: A black hole. He didn't really support a full time mental health counseling position. So he said, Hey, I'm not for this, but if the academic senate ranks it it's on them.
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Alyson Bostwick: Great. That was great. That's democracy, right. So we went in it and the mental health position ranked number one in the academics sending over math positions in suppositions
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Alyson Bostwick: Science that you name it, because if everybody on campus was seeing this influx of depression, anxiety, and they didn't want to deal with it. They wanted someone on campus to deal with it.
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Alyson Bostwick: So I applied for that position. About three weeks prior to giving birth to my daughter.
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Alyson Bostwick: And I ended up either 65 applicants and I was really nervous, but I did get the positions I became full time in 2000
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Alyson Bostwick: And then I was the only full time person until spring of 2016 when Lori Gaskin Dr Gaskin
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Alyson Bostwick: Had said there were six new positions with the chancellor's office and we should go for another full time position. I'm thinking, yes, because it was so much responsibility on me. And we were getting busier and busier and
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Alyson Bostwick: I'm holding down everything. So we got Lacey Peters who came on board in fall 2016. And that was, it's kind of wild because after she came on board. It seems like our numbers doubled.
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Alyson Bostwick: We, we basically have grown the program from one half time mental health counselor to two full time adjunct and like eight interns and we're busy. So that's kind of a cool story.
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Akil Hill: That's a great story.
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Alyson Bostwick: 2001 full time for okay zero full time.
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Alyson Bostwick: To full first time position. One of the first in the whole state of California. One of the first full time positions.
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Alyson Bostwick: And since then they've gotten more but yeah for 16 years I was the only full time faculty therapist and we had them. The other full time faculty was the Student Health Services director Susan Broderick
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Akil Hill: You know where we put our funding and I know there's a lot on the table right now with, you know what, what, you know, we're look we're talking about like what we're facing at Santa Barbara City College, but
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Akil Hill: Ultimately when we talk about students and in our values and think it's super important to be mindful of, if we are looking at our students holistically.
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Akil Hill: Our values need to lot line up to what the needs of the students are. And so I just continue to hope that you know our institution will continue to support and give you the support that you need it because it's so, so important you know
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Akil Hill: So,
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Alyson Bostwick: I would love to go for another full time position. Yeah, you look they have
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Alyson Bostwick: You have any academic counselors and we have two full time.
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Akil Hill: Model. Yeah.
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Akil Hill: Absolutely, you need
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Alyson Bostwick: Something I would like to go for when maybe when are the college budgets because Lisa and I are district funded our budget comes it's paid for by the district.
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Alyson Bostwick: So I don't know if the district could afford, but maybe Student health fees could help. But I do think if we had another full time counselor, we could we could definitely use another full time counts for sure.
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Alyson Bostwick: Thank you for that.
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Akil Hill: Listeners. You heard it here first. We gotta get
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Alyson Bostwick: Not trying to be too political but I think we need more and more. Come on, I think you guys will agree to
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Hong Lieu: I'm sure the numbers will I'm sure the numbers would support any, anything you
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Hong Lieu: Wanted to do in terms of folks that are interested or need this third the services. I mean, yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Especially like I said, the student age where insurance is kind of waffling so they might not have any backup plans. This might be their only, you know, primary
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Akil Hill: So my question. I was also going to ask you about that is, have you noticed any
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Akil Hill: Is there a stark contrast from when you first started in terms of what the students needs are versus what you see currently on a day to day have
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Akil Hill: It sounds like everything has, you know, has blown up in terms of the need, but there's anything that's common a common thread across the line or anything that's shifted
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Alyson Bostwick: Well, you know, current the envelope since March, things have shifted crazy. So if we talked, since the pandemic.
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Alyson Bostwick: Everything shifted. But if we talked about before, that even the last 20 years since technology has gotten you know when I first started we didn't have computers. We didn't have email. We didn't have cell phones and we is we really did it.
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Alyson Bostwick: So what I've noticed I think they're going to be doing more neuro psychological studies over the next few years is that since the age of technology since everybody's gone to social media and technology. I have seen. We have seen the field has seen
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Alyson Bostwick: An increase in anxiety and depression. And I do think there's a correlation. I really do. And I know that's where we're going, there's no stopping it.
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Alyson Bostwick: However, there seems to be this need for immediate gratification and people don't, it's hard for them to cope with stress the patient's levels are down waiting is hard.
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Alyson Bostwick: You might hear some of your parents say, You know, I had to wait in lines and I had to the library to do research and
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Alyson Bostwick: I personally broke my arm and had to wait hours in the hospital when I was 14 because there were no cell phones. I couldn't get ahold of my parents.
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Alyson Bostwick: There seems to be a lack of patience and a need for immediate gratification and difficulty coping with stress more since we've had everything in our fingertips. I know that seems odd.
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Alyson Bostwick: But I also wonder what it's they're doing some studies to show how all the technology is affecting the
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Alyson Bostwick: Frontal lobe of the brain, the compassion center the empathy centers as well as I have to say. Social media is what as wonderful as it can be for certain platforms.
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Alyson Bostwick: I think it's caused a lot of suicidal ideation among students will say oh so and so, said they weren't
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Alyson Bostwick: Some other issues that come in, say so and so, said they worked with anybody that I saw them posted with this this other person on there. They said they weren't going to a party and there they were. And
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Alyson Bostwick: It's rather than the old stalking of them driving by, it's like stalking my social media and it feels like it's created a lot more OCD and anxiety and suicidal ideation and depression and
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Alyson Bostwick: fo fo mo fear of missing out. So I think everything in moderation. But I that's a major trend that I've seen since you are
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Alyson Bostwick: Of course, more recently, in the last six, seven months, but the global pandemic pandemic and the incredible political unrest that we have in our country.
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Akil Hill: No, it does. And it actually, it confirms to me because I, a few years back I traveled to West Africa. And I remember when I was flying back
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Akil Hill: I was really, I was in a small I was in the country of Kenya and I was in this town called Kiva, which is out in the middle of, you know, it's literally the middle of the Sahara Desert and
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Akil Hill: I just remember the, the kids and in the children just being so present. And so when I remember when I was flying home. They made me think about
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Akil Hill: We've felt our kids and a lot of ways because they didn't have the material things like the cell phones and all that, but they were so present and
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Akil Hill: And I was, I just remember sitting on the plane feeling that way. For some reason, you know, and so by hearing you say that just confirms like how I was feeling in that moment, you know,
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Alyson Bostwick: That's why you know for for me I've really tried to encourage my kids to be a nature lover, it's gotten nature we bring him out hiking they they're both surfers and
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Alyson Bostwick: You know, I always push nature. Get off your screens go outside play. And I think that's so important. It's so important and so I think
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Alyson Bostwick: Parents, we, you know, you guys are both parents, we can we can instill that love of nature and getting outside and the importance and you know I smile. So my students are saying I feel trapped inside us. And you don't have to stay inside. Yes, it's a global pandemic, you
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Alyson Bostwick: It's the way our brains are functioning with it. It's not. It's our brains aren't used to it. So it is really important to take time away from screens, super important.
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Hong Lieu: And be more President like and and I was also thinking along with the rise of technology across that 20 year span, you've also seen the rise of like SSRI and all the new medications that have come along the lines.
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Hong Lieu: Changed with with the onset of those things. But can you speak on anything in terms of how the students have changed in terms of, like, do you have to talk to them about changing dosages and things where you didn't have to do that before and you know
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Alyson Bostwick: You know, before I refer you over to a doctor. But what if they don't have the motive their motivation is so low.
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Alyson Bostwick: But I find that that students are actually reticent to go and psychotropics and some to some of them are actually really, really needed and others just need to change their lifestyle. So it's really a holistic approach of looking at
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Alyson Bostwick: What's going on in their lives, because not taking care of ourselves through lack of exercise. Lack of sleep and unhealthy eating can create anxiety and depression.
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Alyson Bostwick: But really, that's a whole that we can have our long our tons of we could talk about that for hours.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, cuz I just noticed that in terms of along with the rise of, you know, mental health therapy and stuff like that.
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Hong Lieu: A lot more folks that I know that you know we're on these kinds of things before are now on some sort of you know that those SSRI. Isn't that sort. So just seeing that change as well as kind of, I was just curious in terms of
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, yeah. And it's some people really, really need it and others. You know, it's generally
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Alyson Bostwick: The whole thought in the field and our psychotherapeutic field is that if you have really bad depression, a combination of talk therapy and medication is the best course of action.
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Alyson Bostwick: Now depends on if it's a situational depression or such it's a situation or if it's a long term chronic thing. So again, that's a whole
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Alyson Bostwick: whole nother discussion. But yes, I think there's still there are some people that really
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Alyson Bostwick: Rely on medication others that really need it and are very frightened and then I have to do what I call my thyroid talk where I talked about the
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Alyson Bostwick: And taking something for depression and anxiety isn't any different from taking thyroid medication or fibroids on a balance or hormones that your hormones out of balance or
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Alyson Bostwick: Insulin if you have diabetes and that seems to help them understand that it's all created from the brain that it's, again, not
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Alyson Bostwick: In weakness but an illness. And out of that lack of balance. So, but that's for someone who really needs it. Others might look to medication trying to fix their problems, but they really need to do is change their lifestyle.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, thanks for that insight.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Definitely allowed things up for me.
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, anytime
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Alyson Bostwick: We can do mindfulness meditation.
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Hong Lieu: It's not just a high level. Listening is that insightful information that comes that you can tell they were listening and they have something to add to it because, see, I'm a good listener.
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Hong Lieu: But I cannot do added, I cannot add anything to the conversation. I could just like kind of fluff it up a little, you know, like
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Hong Lieu: I'm the I'm the garnish. I'm not, you know, like, yeah.
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Akil Hill: I'm already thinking, I'm like, Okay, how many hours of sleep you that you last night.
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Hong Lieu: And that seems to be a growing trend to. I know a lot of folks in terms of, I mean, eight hours just like way out in the horizon and just getting like that five, five to six is tough.
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Hong Lieu: For people nowadays you know cuz it's just there's a lot in your mind, you get busy. I mean, I used to have when I was
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Hong Lieu: When I squeezed up school dreams about failing out. So I'd like wake up in a square like how could fail, you know, just, just like the things you're thinking about things of that sort. So, yeah.
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Hong Lieu: And on that note, we can actually transition into some of our, you know, our, our lighter topics.
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Akil Hill: Yes, yes. Okay.
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Hong Lieu: All right. Um, I'll, I'll lead us off since mine is kind of, I mean, I think, yeah, I'll just do a quick quick little nod to my friend croissant or French pastries, I should say.
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Hong Lieu: My family. We are Chinese ethnicity, but we're from Vietnam geographically and of course Vietnam had a heavy French influence
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Hong Lieu: You know, historically, and you know, back in the day. So a lot of my parents grew up with a taste for a baguette for a croissant for, you know, puff pastry and all those kind of techniques.
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Hong Lieu: So yeah, as long as I've been alive and stuff and Santa Barbara has a bounty and a wealth of great French pastries rhinos down does an excellent croissant.
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Hong Lieu: And but also newcomer a brioche
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Akil Hill: Yes.
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Akil Hill: She has good so much I
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Hong Lieu: I don't love the spelling of the word coach. I wish it was, but I make sense because it's kind of tough to Google.
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Hong Lieu: Santa Barbara. It's like a million results. So I know why they did this spelling. But, you know, like it took me a lot of tribe. Because at first I was like
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Hong Lieu: It's not spelled correctly. I feel uncomfortable about this, but some are very good and and i and i will
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Hong Lieu: I'm a plane person by default, but as as of late, I've really looked all men croissants well types and I'm always marzipan.
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Hong Lieu: So naturally gravitate on my response. So yeah, brioche and Reno's I'll put I'll put links in the show notes.
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Hong Lieu: They're both just top top level because I did go to Paris last year and had a lot of great croissants and, you know, Patty series over there. But the ones the brioche and run those are both on that level, to me, so yeah.
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Akil Hill: Hold up.
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Akil Hill: Did you say you're a plane person.
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Akil Hill: To clarify that, because I had
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Hong Lieu: So, but, yeah, in terms of croissants playing cosine is the purest execution of technique for me because you can't hide behind all men.
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Hong Lieu: can bind the chocolate. It's just how fluffy how flaky. Is your puff pastry.
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Hong Lieu: How moist on the inside, are you, you know, are your are your edges crunchy. You know, like so. The blinkers on is the purest expression, you know, in terms of the place, but then the all Microsoft is where my bread is buttered because that's the extravagant living that I do, I do enjoy
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Akil Hill: You know, I just thought about something to when you said about how you were from Vietnam and you love a baguette hints probably why the bombing sandwiches are that it's is that
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Hong Lieu: I get bogged merging the French influence
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Hong Lieu: Yes, also also Patty Patty is a classic cold cut bond me with you have people die calm people cared.
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Hong Lieu: So true.
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Hong Lieu: And there's a schmear of pat a if if you get the classic with the cold cuts it they have so many now they have the char broil pork, you know, you can get the front. My, my, my sisters love the fried egg. The breakfast one
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Hong Lieu: The Krusty baguette it and it and it should be a baguette, and the thing about the been maybe enemies bag. It is
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Hong Lieu: The French baguette is a little crust year on the outside and it's like a thicker crunch.
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Hong Lieu: The enemies baguette for because it's meant for that sandwich. It's a, it's still crunchy, but it's easier to break into like the initial bite. You don't have to like crunch as hard
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Hong Lieu: To get through it. So yeah. But absolutely, it is it is a baguette I've seen as cargo and being in Vietnamese restaurant menus. You know, like there's
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Hong Lieu: There's a lot of nods to what they have a crepe Banjo which is like a, it's like a rice flour crepe and they also have egg. Egg crepes. So they
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Hong Lieu: You know they're there was a lot of intermingling you a lot of folks give
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Hong Lieu: Some French influence you know with the with, especially with the use of beef and also with kind of like the the broth and the and the types of ingredients used in there with onion and things of that sort. So it's a definite intermingling for sure.
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Hong Lieu: And and most of the Bundy places in LA you they sell the baguettes to where like you buy two get one free up for the sandwiches, but same with the bag. So a lot of folks will just take a lot of bad gets home.
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Hong Lieu: To just kind of, eat, eat, on the side and stuff because a baguette dipped in condensed milk is is pretty classic breakfast. Some days for me with my family growing up.
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Akil Hill: Nice.
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Hong Lieu: Nice. All right.
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Akil Hill: All right, Alyson. You want to go next.
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Alyson Bostwick: Well, I think the question that you posed to me earlier was was a great meal that I made recently.
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Alyson Bostwick: I don't know if you like it, but we. My family loves fish and I got some
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Alyson Bostwick: steaks and I seared them in sesame oil, about three minutes on each side. So it was seared Aki, and I used. There's this wonderful Japanese seasoning. When I get at Trader Joe's and has seaweed in it and
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Alyson Bostwick: Anyway, I use bad on top of it and just lightly see heard and I use that with some rice.
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Alyson Bostwick: Frozen brown rice from Trader Joe's.
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Alyson Bostwick: And then had some fresh greens with this wonderful carrot. Nice. So, Ginger is all Trader Joes by the way guys carrot be so ginger dressing. It tastes like the kind of, you get a Japanese restaurant. I love Japanese food that's my favorite, favorite food.
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah so seared Ah, he with brown right like Japanese brown rice and Japanese salad. It was delicious. And I was really proud. I thought, you know, somebody might spend about 26 bucks on this at a restaurant.
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Akil Hill: Man, that's that sounds good.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, and I'm late. I'm late to the to the game. I was always like whole fish, head, tail, you know, find a man
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Hong Lieu: So the actual fish filets that you see here. Yeah, I came a little late to my life but I'm glad I found them a question for you in terms of your seer. Are you on a cast iron. Are you like a steel pan or what what are you using
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Alyson Bostwick: Two packets like 10 bucks. I think for the four pieces. It was 20 for all four pieces of it. That's not bad. And I thought them out and then I basically laid layer of sesame oil says no, it doesn't burn and it makes that nice smell and house they smell.
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Alyson Bostwick: The sesame oil, hot, then you have to you know put our apron or protect yourself because it splatters that you put the series that it down. You don't want to cook it more than three minutes on each side. If you like it more rare no more than two minutes on each side.
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Alyson Bostwick: When you flip it and then you put the seasonings, a little bit of lemon to
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Alyson Bostwick: And the Japanese season. The I can't remember what it's called but as a Trader Joe's really good stuff and has seaweed and stuff. And then you just take it off hot off the hot off the pan and it's good to go super yummy.
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Akil Hill: Such me. See, I use sassy, like you said, sesame.
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Akil Hill: Do a lot of marrying I, even I put that in, in, in almost everything that I that I do just such good flavor. And so, yeah, that's
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Hong Lieu: Good. Yeah, I think it's more of a condom and more as a condiment than a cooking oil because, I mean, I used to always use it. We use like a oils to cook but you a couple drops of that and anything you're eating that system be flavor just comes right through. And it's
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah. Yeah, so that was my, my, like, kind of proud moment of making a new meal that I hadn't made before and it went really well that's good.
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Hong Lieu: This year, ah, he that mistake. I mean, when you have a restaurant, he does something about. It's really good. So to recreate it at home and have it have it, scratch that itch. I mean you for like a fraction of the price.
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Hong Lieu: Exactly, yeah.
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Alyson Bostwick: Exactly. Yeah, so that was, that was my family, really enjoyed it. And so that it was a sense of accomplishment and kind of as a creative artistic thing to and you make something new that you haven't made before. So yeah, that was my I just did that last on Sunday. So perfect timing.
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Hong Lieu: And cooking seafood cooking Cebu can be challenging because I've had definitely a big Mrs. You know, what's with various pieces of seafood. But when you nailed it. Right. And it tastes, you know, really. Oh, yeah.
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Alyson Bostwick: That was, that was my favorite.
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Alyson Bostwick: Another one, just real quick if you're here. If you'd like salmon.
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, there's some salmon fresh salmon at Trader Joe's. I think it is farmed, unfortunately. But anyway, it every once while it's not going to harm you.
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Alyson Bostwick: And if you broil it for about 22 minutes with a little bit of olive oil. Capers dill and lemon. That's really good to that's another one that's a, that's a go to for me that he was new, but I do the salmon quite a bit. And that's really good with some brown rice as well.
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Akil Hill: I love, I love capers.
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Alyson Bostwick: I want the whole thing of capers.
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Alyson Bostwick: I love capers.
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Alyson Bostwick: So what I do is I put I put it, I put it in for 11 minutes I set the timer on and I turned the pan around just to make sure it's cooked all the way through Celica love 20 to 2022 minutes. Yeah.
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Akil Hill: I'm going to give that a shot.
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Alyson Bostwick: Do really good olive oil fresh lemon dill, you can get the military. This is all Trader Joe's and capers. They have it all there. Yeah.
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Akil Hill: Did you ever get that
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Akil Hill: Fresh salmon.
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Akil Hill: I haven't heard just I haven't been but I will, because now that I know they have keepers.
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Hong Lieu: To because that's another element of my big toe game that is kind of lack
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Hong Lieu: The lack of caters smoked salmon with capers.
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Alyson Bostwick: Is so
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Alyson Bostwick: So good. So good.
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Alyson Bostwick: The pickles, the salad dressing. I go to the lead. So, yeah, yeah, those are my fish recipes
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Hong Lieu: I just haven't been inside of a store and so long. That's the thing.
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Hong Lieu: I'm holding myself back
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Akil Hill: Well, I think Trader Joe's has done a pretty good job at
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Akil Hill: Yes, you know,
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Akil Hill: You know, some Stiller's it's just like I live in Karpen
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Akil Hill: The local Albertsons down here. It's like, it was really interesting because, like when co it first hit you know they had certain items that you can go up other hours that you're supposed to go down.
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Akil Hill: And I'm like, Wow, man. These people are on top of it in here. You know, I mean, this is the way to the kind of shop now. I was thinking it was gonna be the new way to shop.
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Akil Hill: But something shifted where now everyone's up and down on top of each other, you know, like I just like, Wow, man, I wish that would have remained how it was.
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Akil Hill: When Kobe first it, but I think Trader Joe's is still continuing to keep that level of, you know, making sure everyone safe and things are, you know, sanitized and stuff like that so
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Alyson Bostwick: Oh, they're great. They sound guys all the cards. They only let make sure there's like 3040 people in the store at once.
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, there they all wear their mass. It's a
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Alyson Bostwick: It's one of the few places I feel safe going
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Akil Hill: Yeah.
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Alyson Bostwick: So I do a big shopping there once a week for the family. And that's about that's about it.
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Akil Hill: Full disclosure, I prefer to shop like I think shopping. Now, during Cove, it is actually better because
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Akil Hill: All for all the reason that you basically just mentioned there's less people in the store. They're monitoring everything safe before like you would go in and it would just, I would like. So, first rate because there's so many people, everyone's
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Akil Hill: It's like a mad dash two things, you know, like I kind of, I mean, I don't like obviously co it being here, but just the fact that you're able to move are navigating the store without people always on top of you.
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Akil Hill: Yeah.
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Akil Hill: So agree. Yeah, so I'm going to actually lead into my my
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Akil Hill: My pic for the week and I'm going to stay in the same lane. As you with Trader Joe's because just before we got on to the show. I had made some Thai spicy fried rice from Trader Joe's.
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Akil Hill: I know there's, I know there's people out here that will have a lot to say about frozen rice.
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Akil Hill: Amy, I'm not going to name any
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Hong Lieu: Names, but this is your
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Hong Lieu: Pics in a row. So I think I've been out voted here.
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Akil Hill: Listed tell all the listeners and the viewers if you're ever in a
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Akil Hill: Bind and you need something quick and fast. Go get the Spicy Thai fried rice at Trader Joe's. It's super flavorful. It's actually shrimp. So some shrimp.
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Akil Hill: It's Alyson. Listen, I'm going to circle back to you.
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Akil Hill: I'm like, how was that rice. She's gonna be like, I'm so glad you suggested that
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Akil Hill: I'm like, how do you try. He's like, Nah man, I'm a rice purists
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Akil Hill: I can't even think frozen mother would be disappointed. Be
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Akil Hill: Excommunicated
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Akil Hill: From the family.
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Hong Lieu: I will
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Hong Lieu: I will concede, if you do not have a rice cooker cooking rice is very inconvenient. I will
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Alyson Bostwick: Yes, yes.
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Hong Lieu: Yes, someone with a rice cooker.
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Hong Lieu: It's just a tough hurdle for me to go to, because I just feel like
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Hong Lieu: YEAH, I WILL TRY IT BECAUSE I DID. I'VE TRIED. I like Trader Joe's Frozen stuff. I like the red prepared meals.
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Hong Lieu: I like the Frozen stuff I've had their other Indian frozen dishes. I've had frozen basmati but the front of a fried rice is this
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Alyson Bostwick: Give it a
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Alyson Bostwick: Listen.
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And here's what's really good
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Akil Hill: What you can do is you put the oil you put olive oil in the pan right and then. So, what, what's so good about this rice is it gets kind of crispy.
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Akil Hill: So you can almost make like a technique. You know, like the person running. So if you fry it long enough that it will come, it will come out crispy the rice will start to kind of join merged together.
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Akil Hill: But listen, I'm telling you, you know, listen, you know, I'm not going to steer you wrong on this, so if you guys are good.
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Hong Lieu: Is that a hack. Are you breaking. I mean, is it is it meant to be microwave and you're thinking in the pan or that one of the instructions to do you
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Akil Hill: Know that's one that's it's not
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Hong Lieu: Just one of those
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Hong Lieu: sounds, that sounds legit right there.
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah yeah
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Alyson Bostwick: I'll be curious.
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Akil Hill: I'm telling
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Akil Hill: You guys gonna be like, because look, we're all locked up in the home. Like sometimes you're, you know, you got to go to a zoom meeting, you've got time to prepare you know you just fried rice, it takes like maybe like 10 minutes and then it's it's good quality stuff.
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Akil Hill: You know, cherry juice is good.
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Akil Hill: It's, it's pretty reliable.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, and that's that is the thing where if you had to pick one store to shop at, you know, Trader Joes you really could get everything done. There are some certain things you need in terms of pantry staples like large amounts of things are things. But in terms of meat or veggies you know
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Hong Lieu: Most of the stuff they have
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Alyson Bostwick: Yeah, sounds like we're salespeople for
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Akil Hill: Man.
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Akil Hill: Where's where's the
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Alyson Bostwick: Commission.
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Hong Lieu: That sponsorship is coming
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Hong Lieu: More episodes of Trader Joe's frozen good recommendation that sponsorship.
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Akil Hill: Absolutely you can pay me gift cards.
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Hong Lieu: I do like that is yeah that is specifically a tie, fried rice. But I did want to mention that
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Hong Lieu: You know the fried rice is additional you know serve all throughout Asia and in terms of regional differences. I mean, Chinese fried rice is a certain thing. But, you know, Ty fried rice, you know,
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Hong Lieu: Vietnam and Cambodia, they'll have kind of spins on that dish. So the, the fundamental seasoning is a little different in terms of, you know, Chinese. Chinese. Right, right. You might have a little more soy.
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Hong Lieu: It sometimes it looks a little more like yellow or white or closer to the original rice. We're southeast southeast.
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Hong Lieu: Asian style might might have a little more oyster sauce in one area or just various, various other kind of seems to have to give it that may be darker tone sometimes
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Hong Lieu: I mean, it goes back and forth, but but fried rice is kind of, it's kind of like a blank a blank canvas and you throw whatever proteins, you have
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Hong Lieu: A lot of whatever kind of chilies or spicy want and then you just toss it with oil, you know, like a couple episodes got mentioned, like a lot of my dishes are
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Hong Lieu: throwing something in a pan and swirling around and fried rice is one of the things I make more than anything. It's my probably my son's favorite dish.
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Hong Lieu: When, when he asked me to cook something, it's going to be fried like fried rice and a lot of times we just do egg. You know, I, when I was growing up, it was like
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Hong Lieu: Chinese SAUSAGE OR BBQ pork with egg and this and that. But I mean, he's he's just like,
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Hong Lieu: A frozen piece with leftover rice was either having left or right is the key where, like I said, you don't have a rice cooker, you have to make some rice, then. Yep, go ahead, get the frozen. Right. It's like I'm coming around here. I'm
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Hong Lieu: Slowly like soften my position. I was in rice. My goodness.
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Hong Lieu: But
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Akil Hill: But, hold up. Alyson, did you just see, listen to this school us on rice.
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Alyson Bostwick: I did.
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Akil Hill: That is
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Akil Hill: Listen to that this guy.
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Is
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Akil Hill: And
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Hong Lieu: I just eat a lot, you know. And the thing is, when I eat a lot. I asked people like what's going on, like, why is this these different. What does that he's ever. And they always and that's the thing when you
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Hong Lieu: When you come out with when you come on your outright with your parents like when I must admit I know nothing.
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Hong Lieu: They're more willing to kind of enlightened. So over the years. I always ask me, What do you put in this. He's like, Oh, let me show you. And they'll pull out the bottles, it's likely like already recipe so
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Hong Lieu: That's where kind of I've learned to kind of like, like, like hone my craft.
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Hong Lieu: In terms of what they're putting in and versus what they're putting it. I mean, no one is showing me what's in their super stocks or anything. It's not like trade secrets.
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Hong Lieu: But little things here and there. Like they'll, they'll always kind of enlighten me when I just like this is really good. What do you put it in, you know, like it's, yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Oh, but fried rice is definitely, definitely.
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Hong Lieu: A good dish I will try the Trader Joe's fried rice. I'm sure it'll be great. I have no I had no longer have any clothes.
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Alyson Bostwick: Okay.
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Alyson Bostwick: We're gonna try it.
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Akil Hill: Make sure it's spicy tight because there's they have another Japanese one that's fried. I've been tried that. Just the spicy five right alright
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Akil Hill: Sounds good.
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Hong Lieu: All right. Now we can hit on into our culture segment, as it were, I'll leave things off this week since this episode is probably going to be posted a little after Halloween, but I wanted to give a nod to the holiday.
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Hong Lieu: The first one in my lifetime with no trick or treating, which is a you know a terrible blow to my family and my my candy consumption, but I will buy some candy to kind of back that up, but I wanted to give a nod to the Alien film franchise alien aliens Alien three Alien Resurrection.
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Hong Lieu: Those were some really. I mean, I was always I've always been into sci fi and I love the fantastical worlds that sci fi builds. But then there's also always been that kind of
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Hong Lieu: A horrific contingent the horror aspect of sci fi. That was kind of explored lightly in the film like 2001 or you. It was very tense of times
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Hong Lieu: Where alien was kind of the one that really brought it to the forefront between between the thing and alien coming out around the same time, you know, late 70s, early 80s.
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Hong Lieu: You had, you know, the monster movies in space, you know, I mean, you could talk about HP Lovecraft doing science fiction stuff. But yeah, in terms of in space.
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Hong Lieu: I give you know alien and the thing but but alien specifically in terms of that film really changed a lot of kind of rules of sci fi in terms of the perspective
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Hong Lieu: Yeah. And so, yeah. And I also want to mention that
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Hong Lieu: There was a screenplay version of Alien three that was never made and so they recently done that into a comic book. So I'll put a note to that link to that in the show notes. So between the Alien three and the four alien movies quality Halloween viewing and that's my pick for the week.
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I say
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Alyson Bostwick: Did you want us to share movies.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, Alyson. You want to go next.
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So,
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Alyson Bostwick: I'm not much of a horror film PERSON I'LL GET
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Alyson Bostwick: I like romantic comedies.
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Alyson Bostwick: And my favorite movie that I've probably watched. No kidding about 15 times and I never get tired of it is. The Princess Bride. If you haven't seen the Princess Bride. I'm going to give my sales pitch great movie.
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Alyson Bostwick: awesome movie. It's funny. It's whimsical it's romantic it's adventurous. It's a great, great fantasy romantic comedy.
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Alyson Bostwick: And the coolest story about that movie is Robin Wright. That was her debut. She also, some of you may know her from Jenny and Forrest Gump.
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Alyson Bostwick: She went to high school with me graduated high school from in San Diego with me and that was her debut, and we were in our 20s and it became one of my favorite movies. I love Billy Crystal. He's awesome. He's in there. He's hysterical.
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Alyson Bostwick: So that is my favorite movie. It makes me laugh and smile. Whenever I watch it. Like I said, I never get tired of it.
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Akil Hill: I'm going to check that out, actually.
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Hong Lieu: I've never seen it.
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Akil Hill: No, I've never seen.
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Alyson Bostwick: Need to watch it together. It's awesome.
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Hong Lieu: It's a definite classic good. It's a good book. But it's a I love. I like the Phil and
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Hong Lieu: I I've watched that movie so many times they just did a reunion cast reunion and they did a live reading for
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Hong Lieu: Democratic fundraiser in Wisconsin, I believe so. Mandy Mandy Patinkin came out and did the Nico Montoya speeches and everything and six fingered man was there and it was, it was pretty nice. So yeah, I would definitely
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Alyson Bostwick: Watch it.
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Akil Hill: I will definitely watch it. I'm putting on the bucket list before
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Akil Hill: This week this week I'm going to get into it.
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Alyson Bostwick: And you got to email me and tell me you need to email and tell me how you like to Princess spider in Hong. I want to hear how you like the fried rice.
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Hong Lieu: Fried Rice do
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Alyson Bostwick: I know I'm gonna like it. I'm more curious about if you're gonna like it.
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Akil Hill: Great. And so I i'm going to stay the same lane as Alyson. I think this has been a kind of a tradition use you're talking about Trader Joe's. I come in with Trader Joe's talk about romantic comedies. I'm going to drop love Jones. One of my favorite all time movies.
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Akil Hill: Came out in the 90s 97, I believe, but it's with reinstate Neal long, it's set in Chicago.
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Akil Hill: There's poetry. There's jazz. There's reggae dancehall there is the storyline basically without spoiling it's about just relationships and love.
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Akil Hill: There's various different relationships throughout the movie, we're all facing different dynamics. It is a classic in the black community so love Jones set and 97
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Akil Hill: In Chicago, one of my favorite all time movies. I can, I can exhaust did enough I watch that movie at least once a month.
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Akil Hill: The soundtrack is
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Akil Hill: Is everything there's jazz on there. There's a one of my favorite song favorite songs of all time cinema moved with john Coltrane Duke Ellington that's on the soundtrack Maxwell on the soundtrack Michelle know do cello on the soundtrack.
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Akil Hill: This just just endless amount of artistry on that soundtrack.
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Hong Lieu: Lauryn Hill.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, yeah. Lauren Hill sweetest thing on that soundtrack. Yep.
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Akil Hill: Lauryn Hill is on track.
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Hong Lieu: And that is the has been heavily sample.
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Hong Lieu: Most def sample that that tracks. I didn't know about love. Jones, where I heard the most def saw but
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Hong Lieu: Who sampled what and they'll turn I was with Oracle sample and I love Lauryn Hill in terms of
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Hong Lieu: Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is probably one of my top five albums of all time. But that's what, that's the track is not on the album, but it's an amazing track. I mean, the whole soundtrack is great. You got any reporting. So it's, it makes it a
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Hong Lieu: Lot yeah ethics.
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Hong Lieu: And contemporary stuff.
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Hong Lieu: And it's, yeah, it just fits the mood perfectly. I love the reinstate as an actor. And I feel like love Jones was him really kind of stretching what he could do. I mean, he really, he was really good. I mean, everyone loves Lauren's tape, you know, for, for all you know with a menace. Is it or
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Akil Hill: Yeah, Minister society.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, Mina society always confused me aside boys in the hood. The names are always yeah but
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, and the society. But in terms of ended presidents, you know all that. But his role in love Jones is really understated, but really good, you know,
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, and and you have all of this. Yeah, she's, she's, uh, but yeah that's it's a great film.
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Akil Hill: We say the soundtrack is in our in the black community, people will just call that maybe making music
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Akil Hill: It is a grown sexy. I think you I think you should list. I'll send you should check it out. I think you would
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Alyson Bostwick: Like to
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Hong Lieu: See, now listen
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Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: Cuz you said you love romantic
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Romantic
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Akil Hill: Poetry, it's, it's a really good
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Alyson Bostwick: Try some fried rice and watch
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Akil Hill: Friday night, I know what you're going to be doing is you're going to trade shows on Friday.
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Alyson Bostwick: And that Trader Joe's on Friday.
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Hong Lieu: No way to really kind of encapsulate what this show is all about. And then fake finding new things to try finding new things to be exposed to just by just by having a conversation, you know, so that's
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Hong Lieu: Like we all, we all have our little
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Hong Lieu: Little kind of specialties in our head of things we love and to share that with other people and other people sharing that as well. That's, that's really the essence of the show. And what makes what makes it so fulfilling, kind of, kind of, to do so.
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Hong Lieu: So thank you very much. Alyson, for joining us today.
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Hong Lieu: Thank you for our suggestions and what is a anything else you want to kind of shout out about SPC health and wellness before
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Hong Lieu: We go.
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Alyson Bostwick: If anybody has any questions that you want to ask the, you know, just feel free to shoot me an email. I'm really good about getting back my it's Bostwick do st W IC K
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Alyson Bostwick: At SP ccc.edu I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. If you want to face to go along with an email or actually don't see my face voice.
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Alyson Bostwick: So I'm happy to answer any questions. And just, again, want to encourage you if you want someone to talk to take that step it's might feel scary at first, but you'll be glad you did it, we're there for you. If
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Hong Lieu: If your student and you're You sound like you're getting six free therapy sessions per semester.
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Alyson Bostwick: Semester. And if you don't connect with the first person you meet with you can see someone else. There's several of us, you know, there's 10 to 12 of us. So there's you're bound to find someone you can connect with an open up to
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Alyson Bostwick: Take one step it's worth it.
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Hong Lieu: Absolutely. Please, please take the step, please, please be, you know, be respectful for yourself and you know get, get some help. If you needed it or just find someone to talk to you.
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Hong Lieu: Thank you. Alyson. Thanks for inviting
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Akil Hill: me so much. I look happy Halloween everybody stay safe stay healthy.
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Alyson Bostwick: To carry your families and
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Hong Lieu: Take care.
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Alyson Bostwick: All right.
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All right.
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Akil Hill: Bye.
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So much