Akil and Hong welcome Dr. Roxane Byrne to the show to discuss her work as the Coordinator of Equity, Diversity, and Cultural Competency at Santa Barbara City College. From there, the conversation segues into what brought Roxane to SBCC (her parents drove her up, but it's much more than that!), carne asada Fries, caldo de pollo, potato salad, The Joy Luck Club, Jet Li, Grave of the Fireflies, and the focus of Roxane's dissertation.
Mentioned in this episode:
Office of Equity, Diversity and Cultural Competency - https://www.sbcc.edu/equity/
UMOJA - https://www.sbcc.edu/equity/umoja/
Dream Center - https://www.sbcc.edu/equity/dream-center/
Center for Equity and Social Justice - https://www.sbcc.edu/equity/cesj.php
Basic Needs Programs - https://www.sbcc.edu/equity/basic-needs-programs.php
Basic Needs email - basicneeds@sbcc.edu
Episode 12 with Dr. Roxane Byrne and Dr. Donte Newman - https://sbcc-vaquero-voices.simplecast.com/episodes/episode-12-roxane-byrne-and-dr-donte-newman-623LkWvs
The San Gabriel Valley - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gabriel_Valley
Jan Ford - https://www.independent.com/obits/2012/10/11/jan-ford/
Takako Wakita - https://www.sbcc.edu/modernlanguages/japanese/
Antioch University Santa Barbara - https://www.antioch.edu/santa-barbara/
Bamboo Ceiling - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling
Japanese Rice - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_rice
Cherry Rice - https://familyspice.com/albaloo-polo-sour-cherry-rice/
Carne Asada Fries - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carne_asada_fries
Antojitos Oaxaqueños Mary\(Oxnard Blvd and Cooper Rd.) - https://www.yelp.com/biz/antojitos-oaxaque%C3%B1os-mary-oxnard
Taste of Tehran Westwood - https://www.yelp.com/biz/taste-of-tehran-los-angeles
Sadaf Thousand Oaks - https://www.yelp.com/biz/sadaf-restaurant-thousand-oaks
Wabi Sabi - https://www.yelp.com/biz/wabi-sabi-santa-barbara
Kazunori - https://www.handrollbar.com/
Empty Bowl Santa Barbara - https://www.yelp.com/biz/empty-bowl-gourmet-noodle-bar-santa-barbara
Los Altos Santa Barbara - https://www.yelp.com/biz/los-altos-restaurant-santa-barbara
El Zarape Santa Barbara - https://www.yelp.com/biz/el-zarape-santa-barbara
La Tapatia Bakery - https://www.yelp.com/biz/la-tapatia-bakery-santa-barbara
Japanese Potato Salad - https://www.justonecookbook.com/japanese-potato-salad/
Southern Potato Salad - https://www.gritsandpinecones.com/southern-potato-salad/
The Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Joy_Luck_Club_(novel)
The Joy Luck Club (film) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Joy_Luck_Club_(film)
Borderlands by Gloria Anzaldua - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderlands/La_Frontera:_The_New_Mestiza
Minor Feelings by Cathy Park Hong - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/605371/minor-feelings-by-cathy-park-hong/
Love Village - https://www.netflix.com/title/81521365
Kingdom - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_(South_Korean_TV_series)
Ms. Marvel - https://www.disneyplus.com/series/ms-marvel/45BsikoMcOOo
The Golden Child - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Child
The Karate Kid - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Karate_Kid
The Last Emperor - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Emperor
Empire of the Sun - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_the_Sun_(film)
Jet Li - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Li
Yuen Woo Ping - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuen_Woo-ping
Fong Sai-Yuk - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fong_Sai-yuk
Wong Fei-Hung - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Fei-hung
Huo Yuanjia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huo_Yuanjia
Chen Zen - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Zhen_(character)
Video CD - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_CD
Shaw Brothers - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaw_Brothers_Studio
Golden Harvest Films - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Sky_Golden_Harvest
Gordon Liu - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Liu
Grave of the Fireflies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies
SBCC AAPI+ Employee Affinity Group - https://www.sbcc.edu/equity/earg/
When Half is Whole: Multiethnic Asian American Identities by Stephen Murphy-Shigematsu - https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=6620
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Hong Lieu: Hello and welcome to another episode of SBCC Vaquero Voices, a podcast highlighting the unique voices that comprise our campus culture, and how we're all working together to serve our students and the community at large.
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Akil Hill: As usual, I'm joined by co-host Akil Hill - what's good now
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Hong Lieu: and today we're honored to welcome Dr. Roxane Byrne to the show, or she is the Roxane Burn, Phd. Or Doctor, Which is there a correct, or are they both correct? I mean. She took it. This, she told me, put the doctor on it. Okay, I put the Doctor Rox in. That's right. She put the work in. She deserves whatever title is coming to her.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Thank you for having me today.
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Hong Lieu: It's an honor to have you and your current position. I know that. Is it currently the director of the Center. For actually in social justice, or can you give it?
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yeah. Currently, I am the coordinator for equity, diversity, and cultural competency.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: a bunch of different things. So yeah.
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Hong Lieu: yes, basically you have a 1 million things cooking at any given time. But I mean, we in terms of there's always stuff going on in your office, and there's always accolades and achievements and things happening. But I know that this semester for us, you know, has a book in invite a couple of things. You know we have the Moji mural in the fall, and the fish unveiling in, you know, earlier this year, and then just last week or a couple of weeks ago, we had black grad, so we you I mean.
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Hong Lieu: Despite all the events going on, I was able to personally attend the emoji mural, unveiling, and black grad in some capacity, and just to feel the the warmth and the the love and the just, the beauty. And in those events I feel like that'd be a good way to keep up the conversation. So if you want to speak on that a little bit, and not necessarily even the process. But just how those kind of events and those kind of the you know that kind of
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: those kind of things are are part of parcel of your office, you know, along with anything else you want to mention going on.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: We have our basic needs center. and then we also support and oversee this new LGBT programming and funding.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Am I missing anything and the centers for equity and social justice, which is our sort of catch all space. So lately we have been calling all of those programs and centers the centers for equity and social justice.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So that is sort of the umbrella under which all the other the other programs are living. And yeah, we've had a ton of events. So we started this year, like you said with that a Moja mural that we put on the campus center.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and really soon after that we jumped right into undocumented student week of action. So our dream center put on a really wonderful week of activities and information for undocumented students and for their allies across campus people who want to support undocumented student success. So we had a
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: a big guest speaker event with Raphael Augustine that week, which was really amazing. Our basic needs centers are always doing food distributions. But just a few weeks ago had a really amazing basic needs Festival basic needs fair. That was on campus. And I think
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: you know one thing that that you know we used to be called equity. But one thing that equity had been known for was those campus, wide events, and for really creating a sense of belonging on campus, which I think each of our different events have done so. Emoji, you know, went on during black history month to do
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: black history 365, which was an early partnership with our
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Santa Barbara unified school district and unified school district, and then, like you said, we culminated this year with
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: a big black grad celebration which is really really exciting. And there's so much work that goes into each of those different events. But I think you know. None of it could happen without
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: amazing student program advisors, slash coordinators that we have in our program, you know, really thinking about what the students need and what this, and asking the students what they want, and then working in partnership with the peer mentors to really create.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: You know, vibrant events that students get really excited about, and I think that motivate not only future students, but current students who are kind of in process to to get excited about what's coming next for them.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, You You know how many big events there are that I totally glossed over the opening of the Dream center and documented streaming of accident, and Leslie was on the show with the trees center. I mean. There's so much stuff going on, you know, like it's it's it's really amazing. And we're really appreciative of all the work you do, both for the campus and in the community.
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Hong Lieu: And I also wanted to contrast. I mean, you know, the events get a lot of pub, and rightfully so they're wonderful beautiful events.
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Hong Lieu: But the day-to-day work that you and your team put in and helping the students that come in. And really the students are looking for very, You know, there's various levels to what they need. But the fact that you're willing to kind of stretch and and accommodate everybody that comes through those doors and in any center you're at the center for equity, social justice, or the basic needs center.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, y'all are really out there in the trenches doing this work, and it's I mean they they they're they're good days and bad days, You know it's one of those things where the events get all shined and rightfully so. But at the same time we have to acknowledge the day in day out work that you and your team are putting in helping a lot of students that are really someone we're on the edge. Some are really in need, but just just the great work you do there for sure.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, thank you. I mean lots of collaboration, right collaboration with internally within our department. So you know
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: each of our programs are are so different.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: There's different policies that that drive the work, you know, particularly in basic needs and in the dream center. And then I think about the Emoji program. And we're really being driven by the data on black students and the narratives that we're being given by students and what they're telling us are their experiences.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And the Cesj we're trying to be really responsive to kind of the socio political world that's going on around us. And then what students are saying are the issues that are impacting them? So it it's really diverse what we're trying to do in here. And so us working together
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: to support the students is really critical. And then we have some really amazing partnerships across campus like, I think, about the international student program. We work with them so closely. We've been working with dual enrollment. Actually, we've been working with.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: you know, just various different departments across campus to really see how we can best support our students. And so it's. It's all of that that work that goes into making sure that they can be as successful as they can.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, you know, i'm gonna jump in here and and and say this, you know I
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Akil Hill: You know I i'm. I usually try to go down to Emoji at least every day, once a day, so that way the students can know me so I can just check in and
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Akil Hill: be seen. And what a lot of people don't know, and Hong Kong alluded to it a little bit earlier is about, You know all the different events, the things that kind of pull at our heart, you know, tug on our hearts
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Akil Hill: and just being a community. But what a lot of people don't know and don't see is just like the day to day. In and out. The stresses are the stressors that these students show up to the centers with.
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Akil Hill: and it's a heavy lift. It's a heavy lift for those those people in those positions to be able to try to accommodate. Students try to get their needs met, and I've been able to witness it. So I just want to say kudos to to you, Dr. Byrne, and your staff, because
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I've seen the effects of that when students are coming in, and they're like.
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Akil Hill: you know.
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Akil Hill: I'm. You know i'm about to be kicked out. I don't have a place, and it's Friday
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Akil Hill: right? And so a lot of people don't know about that. They show up to the events, and you know, and
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Akil Hill: what you know, while everyone is thankful for them, showing up to the events. But the day in the day out of seeing the students. It's it's a lot. And so we just got to recognize. You know Dr. Murray and her team for that, because I I have witnessed it. And it's work that really doesn't have, like.
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Hong Lieu: like, you know, like you want to make a roast chicken. You look at the joy of cooking. You open up a cookbook, there's a recipe. You follow the recipe, and it comes out pretty good.
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Hong Lieu: This work is very open-ended. There is no answer that you can just Google and just do that. And it'll work for every single student that comes in the door. You have to be really dynamic, really flexible, and really in tune, you know, not just empathetically, but just you know, empirically, knowing what what I have any idea, because you can't know. But having a deal with the what the various mindset you're doing with, and and really the only way to do it is we is experience
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Hong Lieu: and just, you know, like practice and repetition to a certain extent of of helping people and and those reps. Don't come lightly. That's not. That is not light work. It is
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Hong Lieu: to hard, grueling work, and it is work as much as you know. The the good times propel you and the bad times deflate you that that work is I mean you. You You do it every day, you know, day in, day out, and I mean it's. It's definitely something to be committed for definitely some. We don't call out enough, and that's why we're making. We get a point to mention on this show that, like
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Hong Lieu: you know that that work is. Is it's beautiful, and we appreciate it. But we also have to acknowledge how difficult it can be, and I know those sort of those days are rough, but at the same time
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: thank you. Thank you. Thank you for holding it down. I mean, I think it makes a really good point, too right? It's it's it's all of things that you just mentioned hung. But I think relationships are really critical.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and Our students know who's showing up for them
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: right? They know it's showing up for them on a regular basis. They know who's in the center and who's interacting, and who they can go to, then in other spaces and places where they might need support. And I think that that's something that we we can't
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: undermine or enter, underestimate the importance of building connection and building relationship which then builds a sense of belonging and build a sense of community. And that's what our centers are really about. The students walk in, and we know them by name
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: that we understand or know their stories that they, you know we talk about and emoji. There's them but one of the emotional practices around Academic counseling is that it has no
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: walls and no clocks and no calendars, and knowing that it's very. There's this. this openness to that relationship. So students know that they can reach out. They can knock on my door. Even. You know we're gonna get a knock on my door at some point. I've already had one walk by it. Look like, Can I come in, even though you look like you're talking to someone on your screen, you know, because usually they can. I will usually say, yeah, come right in. I'll
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: pause my video, turn off my camera, so that I can check in and make sure that this student or person has their needs met right? And those relationships and those open boundaries, I think, really help to support our program and the overall sense of what students get when they come here.
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Hong Lieu: And that's that's a great approach, I think, in terms of you. You can the things you know, and the things you can control best, or the things that you know You, you are, you know, have have some experience with and building those relationships and just being relatable. Those are things that are kind of universal, and some people are better at than others.
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Hong Lieu: But the folks that do kind of feel like they're able to relate and kind of can. I mean those I mean you, you you with what you know, and that's a way to get a foot in the door, because students, aren't expecting people to know everything about them.
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Hong Lieu: everything that ails them, how to fix all their problems. But but students do want you to kind of work with what you know and what you're good at, and if you're able to have that conversation with folks, and yeah engage with them on that level, and it helps every little bit helps.
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Hong Lieu: So that's that's a great that's a great way to approach the situation as a starting point. You know absolutely.
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Akil Hill: I have a a question for Dr. Miranda, and I was just kind of thinking about this is. Have you noticed in the in your centers or in your spaces.
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Akil Hill: that you know the difference between pre pandemic with our students and post pandemic with their students. And if if if there is can go, can you speak on that.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: you know? Yeah, I mean yes, of course, I think there are a lot of differences.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: but I think that one common theme, pre pandemic to post pandemic has been
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: connection
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: right that every student that I have encountered in these spaces, and that's from Emoji to you know what we used to call the Food Pantry. That basic need center. Csj: students who were coming. We're seeking some sort of connection
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and at different levels. Right? Some students just were affirmed by you, remembering that they were there the day before
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: right, and some students were really meeting to build that relationship and to share some of their story, and to let you know, gain an advocate or supporter. Someone who can help them navigate certain parts of the college. But I think connection is the the
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: that I see being most the same.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and to me is is like the most critical piece of the work that we do so in terms of what's different I don't know. I mean, I think, that students in the past would say that they wanted more flexibility in their schedules, and I think students today are like. Give me some normalcy.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Give me some sense of like of
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: what I can expect and some continuity. You know students are asking, and I know this is controversial, but students are asking for in-person classes.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: right? They're asking for regularly scheduled things. and they want some flexibility.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and then they tell me. But i'm not doing so well with that flexibility right? I'm not. I'm not managing my time as well as I, as I would hope that I would, or that I feel like I need to. And so those are like the skills that we're. We're trying to help them navigate and understand and think about as they plan out their schedules or as they even utilize our space
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: right. We have students who are showing up here at 6 Pm: Well, we're closed.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: but we do a quick check in what's going on, what you need, what's happening, and a lot of times, you know, those are students who are fully online.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So those little it again, their walls and their boundaries of time are being shifted because there really isn't any when you're online.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And then they're coming to us now, saying, You know I don't. I don't know what i'm doing. I'm: i'm behind. I haven't done this. I haven't done that. But next semester I want to be fully online again.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: because it feels comfortable and flexible, and I can do something else with my time. So we're having to really navigate that with them. So I think there's
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: that would be something that I think is different than before. I don't know that we had as many questions about what modality I should be in, and you know I to I was one of the earlier teachers of online and hybrid, you know, back in 2,000
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: 5 I was teaching the Ec Department, and I think I picked up one of our first online courses and then our first hybrid course. So I've been doing that for a long time, and I don't remember students kind of. I think more students recognize that that might not be the best option for them
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: right? And now we have a lot of students who are recognizing that that may not be the right option for them, but they're going to do it anyways. And so we're having to kind of
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: on our end of student success and support, having to help
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: work through that tension and work through that desire for flexibility. And that need. For, you know, organization and management, time management skills, those like executive functioning kind of stuff, and then also the sense of belonging and connection that I think
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: is very easy to get lost in in remote settings. So I think people who are coming back are just yearning for connection stability, you know, relationship, and then guidance.
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Hong Lieu: That's a really good point. You raise that that that that might not be sued to the things they think they are, because just like in the you know, in the in vulnerability of you, where you think you're principal, and nothing hurts you. You also think you're You're like University of comedy, like, oh, I can do whatever. Just tell me what to do, and i'll do it
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Hong Lieu: but it in terms of how it like figuring out who you are as an adult and growing into things. You're also learning what you can, what you like, and don't like it. What works well and doesn't work well for you. So you might say, oh, yeah, online that's perfect for me. But then you get into, and you realize oh, it's really not. And it's really difficult, and I can't focus because that that was a problem I ran into when I started taking all in classes was I needed as much as I hated going to class and going to lecture and taking notes and stuff
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Hong Lieu: that did help me in terms of my my read and recall and things of that sort.
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Hong Lieu: So there there was a thing where first I was like, okay, whatever whatever it takes is out to get it done doesn't matter. But then doing things different ways. I realized you yielded different results, and it was just in terms of the modality methodology that was, you know, the primary factor there, so that that's something that takes folks a little time to get, You know, kind of
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Hong Lieu: learn about themselves as as they grow. So that's that's another good point that I don't here mentioned enough in terms of how how young people grow at that, you know 18 to 2018 to 22 that age, or, you know, whenever we people come to higher education really is that that transmission takes place of really learning like, how do I learn best, or how am I going to keep learning
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Hong Lieu: now that i'm in a quote unquote adult, you know. So it's it's
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Can we think about internships? Can we think about vouchers? Can we think about ways to supplement your your experience so that you can really fully invest in this educational experience. So rather than saying, oh, we're gonna we're gonna help you keep doing both. Which really isn't working for you.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and probably not working with you in terms of your life and your stress and your all of those things. And it's not working that great academically. But we're going to help you Continue to do that
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: as opposed to saying, what is some alternative? What's what's a whole other way of doing this right? Which would allow students to really invest in their educational experience. So but you know those. And again, on the basic needs front, cut some of the conversations we're thinking about.
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Hong Lieu: on that connection point. What is the best way for student to connect with the with with the work that you're doing on campus? Is it just to come into a center and ask for help? Is there an email address? I mean, is there both? And or I mean, what's the best way for someone just walking in to learn more and and or get involved in some way.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yeah. So I mean again, there's so many different centers, so many different things. I think one of the best things to do is to come into the center for equity and social justice. So you know we're right in the middle of Campus center.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: but I think a lot of students think that we have to become a member in order to utilize our space. And so we're trying to break down that misconception. But coming into the Cesj, and just saying, you know, i'd like to
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: like to talk to someone. So that's a really great way to get, because then we can. We will. Probably someone will take you on a tour of all of the different spaces, and allow a student to kind of figure out what would be the best fit for them. Basic needs is really easy basic needs@sbcc.edu. So emailing them or dropping in at
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: a drop into any of the centers or an email. You know, via the the website to any of our centers is is a great way for people to get involved, and then for faculty and staff
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: administrators who are interested in referring students. I mean you could easily just refer them directly to me.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: A warm hand off. Bring them over. We have a lot of people who do that. We'll walk a student over here, and and one of our staff will be able to connect with them pretty quickly, or you know, sending an email and introduction. So we can reach out to them.
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Hong Lieu: See? So you got you got both both modalities covered there in person or online. There are many ways to get in touch. So
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Hong Lieu: thank you for that. And Segue. Now to our next segment. What brought you to Spcc.
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Hong Lieu: Dr. Roxane Byrne, you weren't a doctor when you started, but I guess we could go. That's part of the part of the path as well, so that's shorter as long as you want to make it. What brought you this? PC. With what? What? You on the path, where you are today?
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Sure, and you know
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: you and I were talking earlier before we started the podcast about how I've been on the show in the past it with another with Dante, Newman, Dr. Dante Newman, but and shared maybe a little bit of this, but not Didn't really get to get into my full story.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: But Santa Barbara City College. I've been here really effectively since. I think, like 1,994, 95
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I moved from the San Gabriel Valley. I was waiting for this moment I was waiting for this moment in the early mid nineties.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: so I had never wanted to leave the beautiful San Gabriel Valley, and when my parents. My dad had a job opportunity, and he was moving up here, and I said, i'm not going with you there's no way. I'm staying down here. I'm going to live with my friends.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So I was really invested in trying to make that happen. And one day my mom said, Why, don't you come up with us. We are kind of trying to find a place that we can live. Just come up for the weekend or whatever.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And so I drove up with her, and she she strategically had me get off on Cabrio Boulevard
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: smog smog and hot. Yeah, you know. I remember seagulls, but I don't know where they came from. They just come to eat the French fries off of you like, if you're at school. Yeah. So you know, dirty, foggy, sloggy hot all the things
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: to get off the freeway. It's the beach on one side, this beautiful Riviera on the other side, and we drive up past the college of my Mom's like that's the community college.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And so we came on campus. I don't remember this part, but this is my mom's story that we we came in. We walked in, and I registered that day. Okay, I'm going to be following you up here. This is beautiful, and that's how I ended up in Santa Barbara and and at Santa Barbara City College, apparently.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So. I was a student here.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and and really struggle a lot as a student. At at Sbcc. I found one mentor, Jan Ford, and I know people who've been around a while. No, Jan.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: But he was a sociology instructor. and
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I had one other instructor. I think that that made an impact on me which was in the Japanese program
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: you know, but other than that. I didn't feel connected to anyone or anything. I was someone who struggled a lot in high school.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: not academically, but socially. I've got to Sbcc. At age 18 and recent, had, was recently clean and sober.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So, coming to Sbcc. In the nineties, trying to get clean and sober, was a difficult difficult place to be right, because the only social networks that I was finding were people who wanted to party and wanted to be out an Iv. And that's just not where I was, so I really got deeply
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: sad and lonely, and connected with with Jan Ford quite a bit, because I just fell in love with sociology in the courses that he was teaching, and and I will say that Sbcc. Changed my life both academically, but also gave me a sense of
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: of purpose, and helped me in through those quote courses, and so really to understand kind of the impact that had
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: led my life to where it was at that point. So it was. It was a tough road, but then I struggled through Sbcc. And I will. I used to tell my students that the only resources that I knew about it at at Sbcc. Were the cafeteria in the bathroom.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and I hold true to that. That's those were the 2 things that I knew existed at Sbcc outside of my classrooms, and I think that that sense of loneliness and that sense of struggle through Sbcc are what motivate me today
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: in the work that I do.
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Hong Lieu: A. And it's something where you struggle with Sbcc. Now you hear you are Ph. D done full, Doctor, I mean.
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Hong Lieu: Is there a consistent thing that kept you going, or were there certain things that you had to latch on to at different points in the process? Because I mean I struggled barely script by to get my batches, and I swore off of that i'm like I'm never going back again. I'm not getting no masters, i'm not getting. No, Phd. Like. I am not a good student. I am not going back.
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Hong Lieu: and I have held true. I have stayed true, but but the opposite is much more. You know better worth exploring more so. I am curious
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Hong Lieu: in terms of that. Was there a common goal that drove you the entire time. I mean? Probably not, but maybe, but at the same time, if not.
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Hong Lieu: what did you know to latch on to it? When did you know, to pivot to something else, you know, like because because there are a lot of times where you are reaching for something, and you as a kid growing up I this every time you you you look for something you attain it, and then it's just emptiness right, not like emptiness, but like it didn't give you that warm and fuzzy inside that you thought it would. It was just like a material possession, or it was something that wasn't always, you know, like it wasn't what you thought it was, and then you had to look for something else to continue to drive, you know, to to push you so I'm: I'm curious about that process.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yeah, I mean, I think, like I said I, you know I
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: what's always someone who loved school from from my earliest years I can remember loving learning I loved to learn, and I love to be in that environment where you know I could learn and think and talk. And so when I came to Sbcc.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And suddenly you're in an environment in college, right where you can pick the classes you want to take. So my problem. One is that I was taking all the things I wanted to take, and nothing that I needed to take.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and I was passing only what I wanted to take, and and struggling through the courses that you know didn't meet exactly the needs that I that I had that didn't put spark. My interest in in the right way.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: but I think that a common thread has always been the love of learning and knowledge, and Achill knows this. But I mean? I finished the Phd. And immediately started looking at other programs like, okay, what's next.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: you know? So is it law school? Is it an Mba like? What do I do? What should I do next? And I remember when I finished my first master's degree, the everybody in that program thought for sure. I was going to go to med school like that was the we. We did like a little yearbook of where people going to go next, and I was voted most likely
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: to finish my my clinical hours and go to mid school. and I think in in my family there's an ongoing joke that I will forever be a student. I'll always be in school.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and I think that that's that's what motivated me forward through all of the the struggle and tribulation. But i'm also really master self sabotur.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So you know, in my time at Sbcc. So clean and sober, i'm working through all of that i'm getting like my mind just opening and expanding. And
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: you know, finding all the revolutionary causes that I wanted to become a part of, and and learning about social activism and race and racism, and just being like, ignited and on fire like in my brain. Intellectually
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I got pregnant. and that was a slow road towards
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: F's and withdraws and W's. And and, in fact, you know, I mentioned Jan Ford. He was the first person I actually in the world that I told that I was pregnant.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and he was, and I remember doing it. It was in the BC. Building in his office hours, and I said, I don't think i'm going to be able to stay. I'm gonna drop out, and he's like, No, no, no, we are going to make this work. You are going to make this work.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I can't do this. I've all and all i'm doing is failing. So now my love of learning is is just being affirmed by you. You're a failure, and you've actually maybe you're not really so good at learning
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: right? Because you can't. You can't get the grades growing up in a family, too, Hong, which I know you can relate to where and a was, you know. Where's the a plus.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and that was Antioch University.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and the value to me in Antioch is one that it. It is counter to the traditional education system, and I think some of these alternative model schools get sort of a bad rap because they're not following
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Hong Lieu: and and that also speaks to the power of of mentorship, and having someone there to kind of show you
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Hong Lieu: show you those ropes of things that may seem unorthodox or unknown to you at the time. Just say, hey, give it a shot. See what you think, and and and that that sort of mentorship of not this domineering attitude of, but just of exposing people to things, letting them interface with them on at their own level. And it's you know it. It. It's it's very powerful. It's it it
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Hong Lieu: something that has helped me, I mean, you know people showing me what Punk Rock was all about and showing me a different way to live my life. That wasn't the path I was on of. You know all the smart aging kids, you know, getting picked on and playing here. Request after school like that was cool. But I needed to see some other things, and and and without that mentorship from folks that took a chance on me because I was a big door. He do, trying to hang out with cool kids like people taking a chance on me like that. I wouldn't be where I am today. So absolutely that that kind of model does work, and it's something where I can see not completely one to one by. See how you know you can do that
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Hong Lieu: that you work today at the centers in terms of You're just exposing folks to things You're just letting people know about things, and you're not telling them how to interface with them, but you let them interface at their own level, and they can come back to you if they want more or they can, you know. Just just figure out where to go from there. So it's actually that's a very powerful thing. I'm glad you mentioned that as well. Thank you for that.
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Akil Hill: you know, thinking about this, the sacred responsibility that a professor has to a student, right
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Akil Hill: and really trying to get out the mold of really just seeing our students as enrollment numbers right. Each student has a story.
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Akil Hill: Each student is a seeker.
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Akil Hill: and wherever the professor is at they'll, they'll go right. And so, if it's at the if it's at the mountain, or if it's in the valley. If you're a seeker, you show up, and
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Akil Hill: and this is kind of going back to the piece where Roxane was talking about, you know, teaching right? So if you're only offering the online.
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Akil Hill: you know, students are going to show up. But if we're offering in person. The students are going to show up to that, too, as well. But the thing I like about the mentorship piece is sometimes like, you know, Jan, afford having the ability to have
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Akil Hill: and we have a number of professors doing that still today on this campus. But I I still really hold firm to the piece of. If you're employed at a institution of higher education.
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Akil Hill: there is this kind of like a sacred trust that we have to our students that we really uphold hold them in in spaces to for their academic success. And and Jan Ford was just a complete model of that. I took a sociology class from him, too, and and and it it rings through everything with Roxane says.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, it did this concept of of learning like capital L learning. I mean, some some folks we we you can't help but get lost in the sauce and just get you get stuck to the to the rhythm of things like you do to midterms and a final. You know you have great See this and that. But it does that really speak to learning or that just you know that's just a methodology behind
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Hong Lieu: how some folks learn. But if you really are focused on capital L learning you, you can be more holistic with it, and really really give more opportunities to enrich someone's life through learning. There's all there's all different kinds of ways folks can learn, and some of them are much better than others. But I mean
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Hong Lieu: to be to that, to see that openness, and see what that openness, and how how it has manifested itself in terms of sending you on a journey. You know where you you are, where you are today. I mean it's it's it's really beautiful like it's it's it's a good story.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So we stay in contact. You know it, it adds, and it flows, and it shifts as someone moves on. You know I have a student who was in one of my classes here at Sbcc. Probably like 2,009, 2,008. Ish.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and he still checks in once in a while, sends me an email and says, here's what i'm doing. You know I I landed the job on Wall Street that I wanted, that I talked about in your class, but I thought it was his goal. You know he was.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: He was destined and determined to to get a job in finance, and I have nothing to do with that I don't know anything about it. But he was so excited to share that journey and that process with me, and so still to this day we'll check in every like couple of years. I get a message
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: so. And then I have other students who I have more ongoing relationship with right. So I think that's something that that is important to me is, of course, we we're not going to connect that level with every single student. But you leave a mark in ways that you don't even know sometimes. And and I think that
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: of their experience, right and to the point of like, please come visit me. I'm gonna come back. I don't want to leave now, but i'm almost ready to graduate right, and I think that we can do that for one like it's a you know it's a village. It's a community, and and if we treat it as such, and we treat people
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Akil Hill: Absolutely. I mean, I I I keep coming back to the idea or the thought about
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Akil Hill: really unpacking what learning really is right. And so the importance for me. And when i'm thinking about this is.
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Akil Hill: and this is why you know not to be political again, but learning in person right? And so you see, and you pick up. You know so much from your professors, from just being in their presence. And the truth of it for me is, I feel that learning
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Akil Hill: some people will be like, you know you go to school, get it, get your degree. Get a good paying job. Your life is better right, but the truth of it, I think it's much deeper than that for me. It's like you. Go to school, you learn, so you
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Akil Hill: become a better well-rounded person, so you don't make certain mistakes that lead to other things in your life. It's really kind of like unpacking the the ability to think critically and and see
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Akil Hill: that if you're not in spaces that people haven't taught you to look at things differently, you're not gonna just naturally picked out of by default. And so that you know kind of lends to what we're saying about
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Akil Hill: the student and mentors. Shipping is understanding, like all the different link angles for these students, and really trying to show that to them, you know.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yeah, I I You know, i'm thinking about the Dr. Roxane, Dr. Roxanbourne kind of situation right and the joke around around that a little bit, and and it is it's funny it's awkward right, and i'm trying to own my own space in Dr. Roxane.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and and really give myself the honor of the hard work that I've invested in that process and the long road. It took me to get there right from being really.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: quite frankly, a teenage drug addict who got kicked out of high school. who failed out of community college
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: without managing, You know, a a full time job, and all of those things, and to me it's a huge accomplishment.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: if you can do it. I can, too, because also behind all of those doctorates, and behind all of those things are stories right, and I think that those of us who are willing to share those stories with our students. It makes it more real.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: more attainable, because it's so easy to think Dr. So and so is like this. They've always been good at school, and they they've done everything right. And this was a journey that was made for people like that, and I I want to break down that bar and be like it's made for people like us
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: so that's where I am really trying to like own and and be in Dr. Roxane, and I like it with the first name better, except like it's a little less separating. But the other thing is, I I don't know if you saw this on the other day on next shark, which is a sort of Asian, a Api social media platform news media platform. But they they posted something. I don't know if it was yesterday or today. And it was this AI generated
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: They were not Asian. They were not people of color. They looked a certain way. They were certain people right in all of these different disciplines.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: of you know management, or what or faculty, or whatever it might be. It's not the if that's not the image that we want to see, and so for me, then it becomes again equally important to situate myself
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and and all that, Dr. Roxane, because I want to change what that image looks like right? I want to change that that picture for students.
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Hong Lieu: and I I think it's it's important to acknowledge both the representation aspect of it, showing what what what folks can look like. But also you're the honesty and frankness is a newness that i'm appreciating, because I think it's become, it's a newer thing to be able to be so forth right and honest, because back in the day
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Hong Lieu: people never talked about the hardships. It was always oh, yes, do this. It's a good path. It's a proper path. It's a way to do it, and and and it's they always brushed aside the difficulties. You know my parents are great at that. I know, but folks that are my parents age, that generation. All they can do is repress and say, oh, yeah, it's fine. Just do it. It's it's the right. It's the proper right. But but if you don't give people that preparation for how difficult the process is, how hard it can be. You can see why people don't always finish. You can see why you hit a certain snag, and there's just a conflict of factors.
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Hong Lieu: It's not down on their capability as a student. It's down to to the world. Well, the world around them is offering them in that given situation to the circumstances of their existence at that moment. It just makes it too difficult. You can't fault anyone. It's not. It's not about quitting. People always are like.
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Hong Lieu: you know. Don't quit this now, that is not a quit. That is a I am doing so much all around me that if I take anything else on, you know, like I, I will cease to be human. I will literally just be a task automaton just finishing. They're not even finishing things, just keeping
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Hong Lieu: piles of paper moving, you know, so to speak. So it's this one of those things where I I wish we were more forthr and honest. That's why i'm so honest about what a terrible student I am because people look at me now. Oh, yeah, he's a good worker. He's got it together. He got to go to you. Don't understand how terrible of student I was, and recognize that, and telling people that like I'm not. I'm doing it to be glib. But i'm also doing it to be honest like I knew that wasn't my path and it doesn't. And just because that was my path, this me there weren't more ways for me to find a productive way to exist.
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Hong Lieu: you know, and and take care of my family. Do all things I want to do. It just means that I will, You know. I'm just not built for that, you know. And that and that's okay, just like
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just like it's okay for you. For for you, Roxane, You getting a Phd. Was not you just skipping in the park for a few days and then boom! They hand you certificate, you know it's okay for it to be difficult. It's okay, for there to have been days. You just want to like punch a hole in the wall and quit or tell off. A professor would be because they were terrible. I mean you. And but you did it, I mean, no matter what. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's
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Akil Hill: You know I appreciate you for for saying that, Dr. Roxane, about the bamboo sailing, because.
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Akil Hill: you know, obviously coming from, you know my perspective as someone who who's black.
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Akil Hill: you know, like. There's a lot of you know you. You think you know there's a lot of stereotypes around Asian people, and you think that the Asian is the model minority. And you know you. You go to these, you know places like universities and stuff, and you see a lot of you know Asian students. And so you just automatically think, man like
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Akil Hill: And the truth of the matter is, you know, these systems and and white supremacy affects different races in different ways. So I really appreciate you for for dropping that that that dime on the show, because it's not always what we think it is right, or what we've been told.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yeah, absolutely.
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Hong Lieu: Yes. So Segway, from
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Hong Lieu: from that point on to our food section. Good eaten. And that's it I was trying to think of like a bamboo ceiling to bamboo shoots in it. Can't be lighthearted with that. Yeah, so we'll just go right on. Yeah, yeah, good evening. To right into something else. That
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Hong Lieu: Asian culture is is all about. Is that food, culture sharing a meal? You know family style, whatever you where you want to do. But, Roxane, you want to kick us off. It's something you've cooked eaten anything just when you, when I what even a an association if I say food. What's the first thing that pops in your head in terms of what you crave.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yeah, this is a hard one for me. So i'm. Also. I want to address the elephant in the room. Sorry keel, but you know I i'm married
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: for those who don't know, and so I and and it kills the foodie that kills the foodie and the family. Now I have the food that likes to eat the food when he sort of drives the bus on like where we're going and what we're gonna try, and you know, cause I tend to be a lot less
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: adventures. And by that I mean, like I'm. I'm very much a creature of habit like I could probably eat the same meal every day for a couple of weeks, and be totally fine.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So if you ever had the like, the I guess maybe there's a couple of different, but, like you know, death row, you get the last meal. Have you had a thought of what your last meal would be? You Everything about this something like that? No. Why would I think about it all the time. But I like basically other people, will think about that in my household, right? My My mom is from Japan, and my dad, my my stepdad, who raised me since I was
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And so in our family. We just had this debate last night, too. It's funny. It's like person or Japanese. Which way would you go so last night around the you know Mother's Day table? It was like which kind of rice version or Japanese, and everybody went around and did the table, and my dad and I are Persian.
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Hong Lieu: I kill your Japanese rights right? No, I I don't know I that's still. I'm not so. Why, I I came late to cherry Rice to keel the one actually told we had to tell me about the cherry rice, so, like I I definitely see where that that's a tough that that's a tough pick right there, you know. So.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and my comfort. Foods are definitely Japanese and Persian right? So like, if I don't feel good if i'm sick if i'm sad like. My first Gotos are going to be one of those 2 choices, and
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: oh, that's a great pick. Those are great. I'm like a of a. I saw it up right connoisseur. Oh, that's a great pick. Those are great. Yeah, between a Santa fries and some of your favorite cover foods. That's that's plenty right there. I'm trying to give you space to navigate. But i'm sitting here thinking my head like she's not even name and half of this stuff she's always talking about wanting to I'm. I'm. I I love to eat, but like I also can't make a decision to save my life. So you know i'm always like you. You pick where, and sometimes I could say you pick what like. These are 2 things I want.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and just pick one, because I can't. I want to both, so I can't pick up my. If you ask me what my favorite music is, My favorite, anything I can't do a favorite because it's just all the things I used to tell people. I still say today. My favorite thing is the thing i'm doing right now
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: my favorite color is the color I'm looking at right now, my favorite, because I really believe that right, and it's that sense of
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: just be in it be in it, be in the moment, be in the joy, be in the place like my favorite drink is the trick i'm drinking. My favorite food is the one of eating. No, your favorite drink is my drink. Let's not get on this show and act like you want to dress the elephant in the room. This is just all of those. Okay. So Asyla Fries. Then do you have a go to place, or does it matter from where you get it from
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Hong Lieu: because they're all pretty good from everywhere. You know. I've never had a bad order this out of the Fries kind of like pizza, you know, but some people cell phones do a different.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: so I but I can't say the whole name, but it's a truck, an oxide ble of our. What street is it on? It's on Cooper, which you can say the name because you said it before in the car.
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Hong Lieu: No, I can't say it, because I don't know if we're pronouncing it correctly, and I don't want to. I don't want to. I'll. I'll get it in the show notes. I'll i'll! I'll set this out and give the show
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: amazing a sat up. Rise now, I will be honest sometimes. The Fries are not cooked great.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: It's just so good. And then that's that's the rub is like the the everything stuff is down, and then like it's all like it's like, oh, yeah, yeah. So and they're inconsistent like. Sometimes it's a shoe shake, guys, you never know, but like overall
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: it's yeah, it's good. And then what's the other truck?
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I feel the one that needs to be on material that moved.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yeah, I can't remember the name of that one, but that one is also really good. Their fries are really good. It's a lighter. It's a lighter asad of fry that's like you. Go to Gio and other things. It's, it's a lighter one. The one at maddie's is like a heavy
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: kick your butt, and I love that, you know I love food, so i'm gonna go in. I don't like to share.
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Hong Lieu: I've had to learn sharing from my keel. Wait, but you can just You could just tank a whole order of a a Fries like, not even like the Yes, she can, and like I usually like, Give me fries and tacos, or get me, you know, again, I I can eat at all.
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Akil Hill: just gonna I have a picture of myself in the office because I remember sitting there thinking like I don't think i'm gonna make it.
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Hong Lieu: Hey? We're called man I was like, let me get just.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So like shoot. Okay. So I you know, we finish. I waddle out to the car. We get there.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: What are we gonna do now? I don't know, and then we look at each other.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: It was the taco truck. Look, you know, if anyone tells me to kill like, we will hit up a toggle trump. It doesn't matter what you know. We're like you on we'll we'll drive for it, and we'll go in late at night. We've met you out there late at night, and so
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: we drove down. This is probably at this point like 1030 at night, because we were supposed to check in the hospital around that time, so we drive down to Oxnard and got a couple of tacos and 8 those a night before I went into labor.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: but full circling that back to the Phd. So I got my Tacos the night before, and then, as I was in delivery, I was finishing final edits on my dissertation, like on the delivery on the table, you know, laying there.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and that's and that's why our our son loves guacamole and spicy stuff. Yeah, he is, he is a a baby, but we just he loves, he loves so he's he's.
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Hong Lieu: See, that was plenty. We don't even need to go on the cover food if you don't want to. But that was I mean just a salad. Fries right there that that that hit it right there because because it's on the Fries is a California. I don't. I'm not sure if it was officially invented in California. But to me I think of it as San Diego started in San Diego. It's it's never bad. Yeah.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So like taste of Tehran is my favorite in La, right now for a quick fix
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: for us. You know. 1,000 oaks is a quick fix, so you know we'll go to set up it's it's a good
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: or the one that I've been craving since I was pregnant, and haven't been there yet is Cousin Ori and cousin, or is like hand rolls only, and amazing, so so so good! And yes, it kills smiling, because
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Akil Hill: that was one of the first places he ever took me. And I was like, you know I kind of have high standards when it comes to sushi like I just don't want to go to any old place. And yeah, she's out here doubting me after she knows that I was. I was born in Japan, doubting my
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Akil Hill: my pile of my Japanese food palette. I just didn't want to go to some like Asian fusion place, you know.
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Akil Hill: within, like after the couple of bytes of the hand roll, she was like, oh, my God, this is good. Then she's calling all her family, you know, telling them how good it was. I'm like, yeah, you know. Yeah, because handle when you get the ratio right? The portion right? Because sometimes it can be too much rice. Sometimes it can be too much on top, you know. And yeah, so.
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Hong Lieu: I got a couple of quick picks this week, my my family. We've been sick going through some random stuff. So I've been looking at the soups around town, so i'm going to shout out, Empty bowl also in the public market next to Wabi Savi. They have a great Bangkok Street noodle with my wife loves, which has a really nice broth.
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Hong Lieu: a little bit of tart, a little bit of, you know, be meetings that broth. So the Bangkok, you know, have people, and Los alto on Milpus.
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Hong Lieu: They're cow D the pole, the chicken broth, and that yeah, the the chicken broth. There it also comes with chicken pieces, and it's that yellow like poach looking chicken, which you know it's a sweet spot of mine, because I grew up eating that poached chicken with the chicken, rice, and all that stuff. So, seeing that yellow chicken on the calendar, the pole which all, all the cobbles in town will have that, but just their broth is just really like
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Hong Lieu: small c. To use a do another another cultural term for to describe chicken broth when it's got that, that the bubbles on top and the oiliness of some chicken. It's got that schmalt right? The small so their broth is some of the smalltiest broth
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Hong Lieu: in town. So in terms of the quality of the chicken broth, I would, I've put less also up there the col of the Pole, like you know.
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Hong Lieu: who 1,000 of the level to me. So los Alto, and then people the Bangkok Street noodle. All the other suits are good. I get the long tail bone noodle, but it's a little too funky for some folks, although they don't put the Oregon meets in it like the you know the other bones of the folks in la able to. But it's still pretty funky, but the street noodle is is that's my Wife's go to so
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: nice. Okay, I want that color that if if you're the area definitely worth checking out.
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Akil Hill: and i'll get those in the show notes, what you gotta kill. Well, I got a couple of things, but I don't know if we can get these these in a show notes. But I was thinking this morning when I was driving in like what, what? What's going to be my pick. And so I was thinking about.
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Akil Hill: You know a little bit about, you know it's a Api month, right? And so there's a way like a raging debate in in our house.
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Akil Hill: I was just gonna be like I'm just gonna be like. You know what? I'm gonna just let the listeners in on our life a little bit. But there's a racing debate in our house, either Japanese potato salad or black people's potato salad.
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Akil Hill: So so yeah, so i'm just gonna shout out like both of them. You know Japanese potato salad is amena's. Favorite.
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Akil Hill: Is it your favorite? But okay, but it it the either, or only lives inside of the keel's head.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Just so, you know. If no one else has said either, or we've all said both, but it kill immediately was like Wait! What
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: when do you like, Amina like? He was very offended, super, super offended. But I will tell you like if the keel's Mom's bringing the potato salad, or my mom's bringing the it doesn't matter because I love both of them
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Akil Hill: so much. But yeah, so I don't. I don't think that there is a debate here, but they are very different.
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Hong Lieu: And I mean, are we going? Is it cupy mail or requirement for Japanese materials out, or is it just you gotta go mustard day or day or day? No mustard and black. Yeah, See, I do. I do like the mustard tang. But but this is a hard one to pick.
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Hong Lieu: because they are like They're like cousins, you know, like they're not like it's not like you need to yang, so they're more. They're they're They're more similar than that. The opposite you know more similar than not.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I don't know. I think they're pretty different, like like a German potato salad and things like that. I feel like I'm. I feel like actually like Japanese potato salad and black people are sort of on like 2 ends with the poll. I feel like they're pretty different.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And then the texture consistency is totally different.
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Akil Hill: Yeah, yeah. But I yeah, I love the Japanese potato salad. Yeah, and I love a black potato. So I was thinking, yeah, I was thinking, if I had, if I had to pick one or the other for the rest of my life that I don't even answer that in front of me. Huh! I could do it.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, cause I I like I love. I love both of them for different reasons. I I do love the warm German potato salad as Well, I just love mail-based salads and the Germans, for the sale is not always heavily male-based. But I do love a good Mayo based salad and like
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Hong Lieu: kind of not fully black style, but like that Southern style of, like, you know, at the Ralph Delhi. There it's not the fully black potatoes like they were her muster the tails out. But it was that, like male potatoes eggs, and you know, like it it Wasn't: yeah. So
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: you know the closest thing for people who don't know what Japanese potato salad is like the closest thing, but still slightly different, because I think Japanese cancel it doesn't have that mayo taste as much. But the closest thing is the trader Joe's potato salad. If you've ever gotten that potato, same consistency.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: it's it's a a milder flavor. But the Japanese, one is a little sweeter than that. Yeah, and it and the cupy Mayo. Yeah, to keep it mail. You'll know kind of just in terms of the texture change because it's thick, but it's not like
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Hong Lieu: male thick. It's, you know. Squeeze bottle classically. Squeeze bottle a little bit sweeter, and just like yeah, so it gives you the the texture is going to change naturally because of that. Yeah.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: slice super thin. So you almost don't even feel them, but they give a little bit of a crutch.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yeah, it's good. It's good stuff.
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Hong Lieu: I think so. I I feel like you would bring it to Apollo. If we're in like.
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Hong Lieu: Yeah, i'll. I'll bring you my mom's. I I don't. But I won't. I won't pick. I will eat them both heavily, but I cannot see. Yeah, so we'll have to go over because Jackie is my mother in law. I'm not gonna hey? She's try to catch those hands, hey? But next time we'll have to have you overhung it.
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Hong Lieu: and my, we'll know we'll do what I pulled him blind taste. He'll know he'll know he's eat too much. He's in too much. I mean too many too many may be salads. Yeah, for sure, because I like I had a soft spot. My family, for anyone like
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Hong Lieu: like my mom will go to Ralph to buy random stuff to be a Chinese grocery store. That's the Ralph. I would make it. Give me a pound of potato salad, and then I would just eat it to the dome, not knowing how bad it was for me at the time, but like just a pound, she's like You're not really the all that are you like? I'm already done, and this everything, and she's like, oh, my God!
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Hong Lieu: It's savage! It's disgusting.
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Hong Lieu: Yes, I will get recipes or both in the show notes the folks can compare for their own, you know context. Not that they have to go taste as but tastes or encourage. But the recipes will be the show notes so moving on higher learning.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Doctor.
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Hong Lieu: guide us in higher learning to a piece of culture, a book, movie TV. Anything that has had a profound effect on you or someone, you know, or just yeah, something you want to share with the listener at home.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yeah, I was thinking about this and I so now that you're framing it as higher learning, i'm like, it's a whole other older ball game here. but I was thinking about it. and I think, in honor of a Api heritage month also, and in honor of my own process and learning.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: i'm gonna choose the Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I will tell you. I've read this book, maybe 6 or 7 times. Watch the movie and numerous amount of times. And for those who don't know about this this story in the Joylet Club it's really basically following, I think.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: 2 or 3 generations of Chinese women. So first in mainland China, and then immigrating to the Us. And it starts from the perspective of
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: the American born daughter of one of the the women.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and it's really about the tension between the mother and the daughter. And and then you know the granddaughters. So these generations of women who are immigrants are first, Gen.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And navigating that process of being sort of a first generation person or being in in Japanese, you would say, second generation, right, niece.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and I remember reading this in college here at Sbcc. And I I believe that I read it when I was in. At that time it was so 107. So it was racism in America.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and I was probably some supplemental
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And I read this book, and just finally, for the first time in my life.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and was like that is my experience being a young woman who's mother immigrated to the Us. Who's trying to navigate growing up in the United States with
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: 2 immigrant parents who were like what the heck is going on here. And you know. Why is that? Why are things happening this way, and why are you the way you are, and
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and just grading grading against? I think about Gloria and I'll do a talking about the the borderlands and the borderlands. This place where you know cultures and people and things great against one another until they bleed, and and
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: to me depicted that grading from a very Asian perspective, so you know, get my mom Japanese. But I could relate to so much of that that asianness in the story, and that some of the tensions that the primary character was feeling with her mother were so many of the things that I felt like I had struggled and graded against in my
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Amy Tan's book was just foundational to my understanding of myself as a donor of immigrants. And then, just to add to that a more recent book that I've read that I really really love is minor feelings by Kathy Park Hong. It's a pretty more current one, I think. It came out a year or 2 ago, and same sort of
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: you know, Amy Tan Store Luck club, I think, was kind of where I entered this conversation around identity and space and immigration and all those things. So I wanted to highlight those those 2 books.
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Akil Hill: and then like on a fun note, which I know it's going to get it. We'll get a big I role that listeners can't can't.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yes, My new favorite, Netflix show is called Long Village, and I am a sucker for reality TV. But this one is a Japanese series. And so it's. Basically you know, 6 singles in their thirties who are trying to, or you know 30 and above
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: who are trying to find love and it's sudden. It's in Japan. So I love it because I feel like the cultural context is something you wouldn't see otherwise right. There was another Show Terrace House which I love, which was younger younger people. And
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: if you want to glimpse into culture, and you want to glimpse into the the ways in which we're similar and very, very different, I think watching some of these reality shows is
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: is a great way to do that, because the tone of these of these Japanese reality shows like. I can't do it. He's like it's so slow. I'm so bored.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: The biggest conflict is. Did Did she did her finger touch the edge of his hand. And what does are they in love, you know, and it's like for episodes of trying to deconstruct whether or not they're in love, because you know, someone looked in the direction of somebody else, and I love it because I i'm looking at it very much, as
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: you know, a human behaviorist and and a social scientist and wanting to see like, what does that mean? And how does how those things influence culture, and how is culture influencing the way people are are interacting, and then thinking about how that applies in in our world, right? When I think about the students who are here and what their experiences are, or my parents experiences.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I I really enjoy it. So yeah, i'm i'm binging Love Village right now. That's my mother's day gift from Mikhail. But I got to several episodes, and he watched the baby.
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Hong Lieu: and they fix the house, too, right. They renovate they renovate. Yes, I've seen. I've seen some. I've seen some of it I love. I love I I was, you know. There, there's unfortunate behind it getting cancelled. I mean it. It kinda couldn't go on, but at the same time I loved. I love those the different idiosyncrasies, because
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Hong Lieu: on those reality shows like get coming on the show for fame or whatever it was like the ultimate like. you. Cannot. You have to be on the show for true, you know the truth and the values, but it but American reality TV. Everyone knows that's the whole point of it. People go on. Those shows to be famous, or to be on the show to get their name out there so they can boost something else. These people, I mean. Maybe it's not true. Maybe it's still an act, but they seem so sincere, you know. So that's where and that's where, when they, when they, when they have their like little emotional Ker fluffles and conversations on the show, it comes from a place of sincerity. So you you! You have to break it down like that. So I mean maybe it's like pro wrestling, or they just
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: it's that they're like facade that they're putting on. But I really do. You know, I I enjoy the shows for that reason, too. I I just have to round out my Aapa heritage month, with 2 more. 2 more shows, I think, are are good, so
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: if if anyone here is into Zombies, and I've I've told this to a few people at least, so I love a good zombie movie. I kill's not big. It's big in his obvious, so I usually watch this by myself. But kingdom, which is a an amazing zombie series that is set in feudal Korea
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: sounds really weird, but it is epic. And let me tell you, Koreans know how to do. Zombies like it is that some of the best zombie films, I think, come out of out of Korea, and so
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: kingdom is amazing, especially if you're into set design and history. And you know period pieces of that one's really good. And then, just to get my South Asian people in here a little bit.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I think, about Kamala Khan, so i'm not a big marvel person. I'm not really into superheroes at all. But I really really enjoyed that series as well. So
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: those are some of my some of my favorite picks, for right now
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Hong Lieu: we will get them all in the showing us, for sure I do have to mention that Joy Luck Club is a foundational piece for a lot of Asians in America, in terms of
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Hong Lieu: representation, in terms of film and and and stuff was, you know we had bit parts and films, you know. Golden child, Karate Kid, of course, stuff like that. But in terms of a film about Asians. We had last Emperor
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Hong Lieu: and Joy Luck Club for the longest time. Those 2 films, you know, the last Emperor where the little baby poops in the tub at the be in the movie
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Hong Lieu: and then Toilet Club. Those are the ones that I would be like if you want to know, kind of like what Asian life is like in terms of not just looking at me as an Asian person, but like generationally, when my parents were going through stuff, you know, like a generational thing last Emperor and Joel. That club was only 2. So Toilet Club was very big in terms of for folks that didn't. If you didn't grow watching the weekend kung fu movies on on local TV,
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Hong Lieu: you're only your only exposure. Asian culture was like a bits and pieces crowded kid or a child. Those kind of things, you know, like you know, I part of this on all that. Yeah, but that. So if you wanted that full picture it was. There were only a couple of films that had that full kind of representation, and so joy that club is a very important film and book for me. Amy Tan is is a yeah first Bell Hall, Flammer Kitchen God's wife. Her whole run
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Hong Lieu: so great picks.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, that film is, is it's long, but it's very good. It's very good, and I and and yeah, and I only got last time because I was a kid. That so, seeing the baby poop in a tub, I was like, oh, my God! Poop on TV, so that that's what got me in. And then I watch the whole thing and some things I probably shouldn't have watch that 8. But yeah, so
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Hong Lieu: thank you for those picks. I will
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go next, just because my my picks are also for Api plus heritage month.
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Hong Lieu: I have you talked about representation on screen, and and and the importance of of seeing that my my big guy, my dude, grown up because
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Hong Lieu: Bruce Lee is untouchable. Okay, like, I said, I've I've been I've seen on the show before. Bruce is like a mix between Oprah and Tupac, and like he's kind of like more than a man, but less than the god to this point in Asian people. So you can't not. And Bruce is not leaving his perch. You cannot argue with with anyone that Bruce is gonna like. But for me, Jet Lee.
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Hong Lieu: I got to shout out, my boy, Jet Lee, because I, you know, like
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Hong Lieu: in terms of of who held it down, and who kept that kept that moving Jet Lee is is just the guy like his. His. His his run of Hong Kong movies is very hard to top in terms of the action. Part of he he's working again. We're paying. He was working with all these people that would end up being big later on.
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Hong Lieu: but you know. So his Hong Kong run is is not parallel to the crossing over and getting, you know, Western recognition for the you know the weapon for Romeo must die, you know all that unleashed re. Oh, man, yeah. So he he, he's got a pretty good run of Western phones, but in terms of his Eastern catalog he has portrayed like pretty much every
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Hong Lieu: like famous Chinese folk hero like, you know, he was Fangsai Yuk, which is, he's who's a fictional character, but falls at yo. He says a lot of old. The 16 seventeenth century stories written about I play phones so you can 2 2 or 3 films. He play one playhong, who's a famous doctor, who also knew martial arts, who was a real person, but you know he's been fictionalized through his Once upon a time in China trilogy he play won't, say home.
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Hong Lieu: He's played Holy and John the movie Fearless, the West. I feel like holy and jaws the man who
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Hong Lieu: stood up against like Western invasion into China. You know he he was the one of the first people to demonstrate that, like Eastern martial arts, could still compete in a world of Western kind of moving towards the whole move towards weapons and everything
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Hong Lieu: holy and ji actually is, if you watch the boosting movie Chinese connection holy on Jos, the master of Chen's and Bruce Lee's character in Chinese connection. Holy and Joshua, will you? The master that is killed and shins in. It gets revenge.
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Hong Lieu: But it's the funny thing is jelly played holy and Guy, and he also played tents because they'd we made Chinese connection as fist of legend and jelly was the story role of that. So in terms of knocking down the roles he had to play, and the the way he did it I I got to get it to my to my dude.
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Hong Lieu: and and I I know he's. He has a lot of science. It's not really worth shouting out, but in terms of the the difference he made in my life, and in terms of me kind of getting other people hipped up was like when I had, you know, Pre. DVD. They were called video Cds.
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Hong Lieu: I had Vcds of all the Jet League movies. So the people that want to know come out of the house. And because my dad's laser just player for Karaoke could play Vcds as well. So now we're getting to like 3 weeds. This is like agent section right here. Of all the layers of Asianness I have to. I had to go through to get people hept up on Jet lee back in the day.
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Hong Lieu: so that just it just made me think about that. And and you know it's it's something where the things that you know he's had a profound experience on a lot of people's lives. But you know
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Hong Lieu: I mean he didn't make me to learn martial arts or anything. But he did make me like, you know, really like really proud, you know. Like to be to be into that stuff, because, you know, come from movies and stuff. It was like a fringe subculture. I mean it. Akil knows. If you grow about to come movies.
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Hong Lieu: you like you. You watch the movies and you go fight. Come through afterwards and stuff it's just a thing you did, but like it wasn't like everyone's into it, progressing the same way, so like, so so to carry that torch and really blow it up, I got to give. I get a give a managed pro. He's not knocking Bruce off the purchase like grace Marks, far, as you know. Talk about TV entertaining that, like I said, Bruce is untouchable. But Jet Lee is on that Mount Rush more for sure.
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Akil Hill: that's interesting, too. I was just thinking about. You know the parallels between. You know that the Asian community and the black community when you when you're talking about Bruce Lee and how Kareem was in his movies, and when the I was thinking about jet lee wasn't, he did he start the movie with Dmx.
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Akil Hill: Yes, yeah. So the yeah. So I i'm just thinking about the parallels between both the both of you know Api or Asian and black solidarity in that way. So yeah, man, I great picks man. I remember in the eighties I used to collect.
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Akil Hill: I think I still have one of the hs, like all the like, the killer bees, and all like the old, you know, all dirty bastard, and all the drunken.
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Hong Lieu: and that was the thing. Those those Shah brothers, the the golden harvest, the seventies in eighties films got a lot of run off of the weekend like weekend on whatever channel, 13 or wherever they'd have marsh arts will be on the weekend mornings. But in terms of that, nineties like later run, they didn't really get that shine until, like folks, I jelly and Jack, you can't crossed over. And then their movies that were only in in Hong Kong became available state side.
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Hong Lieu: So like it was funny, because that golden harvest and strawberry stuff, which is all also all time classes gordon lou is on the Mount Rushmore as well, because of 36 chamber salad and his the movies. But like, yeah. So so so those those folks are almost almost got more sign than the folks in the nineties and stuff doing it be until
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Hong Lieu: Jackie Chan Jelly those. And and you know also Michelle Yo. Because yeah, she, Michelle yo is. Is. She probably is the best to ever do it from the female action heroes. But also i'm thinking about like it like what you were saying, the 36 chambers, and how so many like modern Chinese movies
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Akil Hill: Just take stuff from those movies, right? And thinking about crashing tiger, hidden dragon. I think there was a scene where you know where
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Akil Hill: that you know they showed someone's shoes and a blade pops out the shoe, and I was like wait that's from the 36 chambers. You know so so many, so much of what we watch now is, as has been impacted by by the the 36 Chambers, and
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Akil Hill: I was never allowed to watch any of those, because it was very anti-violent, so like I couldn't even watch Tom and jerry I wasn't allowed to watch anything that had any
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: any sort of violence in it when I was growing up. Well, she was right, because we like, I said we had a group of neighboring kids like I had
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Hong Lieu: 4 or 5 cousins live in the front house in front of me. I was in a back apartment, and then there were kids in the neighborhood. There would be the come from movies. That would be on, you know, that morning or afternoon, and after it was over you hear screen doors opening. All the kids will come out, and they'd all kind of get together that you guys watch that.
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Hong Lieu: All right. Let's see who's the best, and we all are fighting, you know, like, and not like like pulling punches like little like Kumate stuff. Or we're like one on one. Go on a little tournaments to see who's the baddest, You know. It's like.
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Hong Lieu: I mean, we're yeah, we're kids, but it's like
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Hong Lieu: that's kind of ridiculous.
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Hong Lieu: So she was right in a lot of ways. So
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Akil Hill: yeah, so i'm, i'm not gonna. There's there's 2 things. One is, i'm in a the one that I wanted to to throw was one of my favorite, an enemies, and i'm not being on anime. But this one really kind of
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Akil Hill: got me. It was called the Graves of Fireflies, and that was. Oh, man, I mean that's an all time classic. But you gotta put a warning in front of that one that one. It's a tough tough watch, but it's an incredible film. Yes, but please go it No, definitely. It is a a tough, tough watching. I was gonna definitely let you know the listeners know, but
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Akil Hill: I think it was. It's based off of a a semi autobiography of his names. I I use like a key. You key.
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Akil Hill: No, no, Saka, no soaka.
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Akil Hill: can't. I don't know if i'm getting that right. But I think that's what it is, and we'll put in the show notes. But just a real like.
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Akil Hill: you know. I bought it. I I just went out on a limb. I'm like oh, animated, i'm just buy it and it, you know. I just watched it, and it. Basically it's about
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Akil Hill: the bombing of of Kobe. and at 1945, and so
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Akil Hill: and it follows these. It's 2 kids, and they you know they go through. It's basically the story of what they're experiencing during the war, and
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Akil Hill: just a super super super emotional movie. But you gotta prepare it like, I said. Make sure you prepare yourself. But it's really really classic. It's really good.
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Akil Hill: So that's my first pick and then my last pick.
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Akil Hill: I'm gonna leave space and cause I it's Roxane Won't Ever talk about this.
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Akil Hill: But I think since it's a Api month we do gotta recognize. You know, she can talk a little bit about your dissertation, because I think it's super important for listeners to hear about it, so you can talk a little bit about what you did your dissertation on so
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Akil Hill: and then that's all that I have.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Oh, so let me do that now. Okay. But before I do that, I wanted to mention 2 things. One is that if anyone's listening who identifies As Asian
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: A. A. P. I.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Who is multi racial Asian, who is a faculty or staff member. We have a wonderful community, which is our a Api Staff and Faculty Association employee, Affinity Group.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Hong and myself and D. And and Chen, are some of the Co. Founders and sort of leaders right now of of this group, and so you could reach out to any one of us, and we'd love to help you get involved. We do a lot of different
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: things together. Some of it is, you know, advocacy and kind of resistance work. Some of it is community and culture and support work. And one of the big things that we are working on right now that's super exciting is an a api mural. So a big mural, similar to the mural
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: that we did for a Moja that we will be putting on our campus center building, and so for people who are interested in that and and wanting to get involved. Please please reach out. And again, it is an affinity group, so it's for people who identify, and in one of those ways.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And then, if we have allies and others who would like to support and get involved as needed or appropriate, then we'd love to hear from you too. So you want to put that out there. My dissertation is informed just by my own experience, being a multi racial person, multicultural person.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So what I was looking at in my dissertation were these cultural and racial affinity spaces in higher LED so places like the Emoji center, like
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Asian student unions or Asian student centers, Latinx centers, so various different cultural and racial support centers that existed on campuses
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and kind of doing a deep dive into their history and their importance and their value, and supporting student success by creating one representation and also spaces for belonging, and then culturally relevant support services.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: But then, looking more closely at multi racial student experiences in those spaces, so we know that those spaces are critical to supporting the success of students of color, for multiple, different reasons. But I was curious to know if
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: multi-racial students of color who went into those spaces we're accessing the same type of support, the same sense of belonging the same
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: quality of care and and services that their quote unquote. Mono racially identified. Students were were experiencing, and I found some really interesting things out in my in my study, but most importantly
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: was often that these multiracial students were not feeling like they received the support that they needed. And these are students who are experiencing
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: multi-racial or similar racial microaggressions outside in their life in the world and on campus, as there's again, Mono racial counterparts for experiences. Let's do the students of color.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and then they come to the space, and they were often experiencing multi racial microaggressions in the space or in other spaces. So they're really struggling to find a space that could provide
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: that resource that they needed. And I think that that's really really important. It's really important in the work that I do, overseeing a lot of these affinity based spaces and so ensuring that we create a policy procedure practices and processes inside of our centers, but also system wide
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: that support multi-racial students. So a great example is the other day we were planning black grad. and as I was going through the list of students that we were going to outreach to.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I realized that a bunch of people were missing from the Sbcc. List of black students, and everyone who was missing was a multi racial black student.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: so they were not being coded or identified as black. and therefore might not be getting the outreach or the services to say, hey, there's a program here that can support you.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And then, when we were working with Santa barbara unified school district. We found something really similar that the Sb. Unified school district said that the way that they are cataloging racial identity information was
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: resulting in multi-racial students not showing up on their list either.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And so here are all these students navigating these systems, without being, what, without being able to access this very specialized support. And so that's kind of on a policy level, right in a practice level that we need to figure out. How do we shift that operations. What! How we ship that! But then also in our spaces. So a lot of this the people that I interviewed in my in my qualitative study. So it was very narrative based and based on their experience, were telling me that they
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: There was no representation of multiracial experience in their spaces, but one of the people that I interviewed had a very different experience, and she participated in a program that was called the African Diaspora Program.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And so obviously, just even from its name alone. It was talking about the diaspora of experiences and placement, and she said from day one it was about
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: talking about how blackness can show up in many different ways can be represented in all different types of ways. And so her experience was actually counter to what everyone else I talked to, who went into spaces where multi racial identity was a race, and she said
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: that affirmed to her that she was exactly where she was supposed to be that that you know she didn't have to question her blackness because it was accepted and and invited into the space. And so I think that gave a lot of information for me to do some more further inquiry on.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: But yeah, so I did not specifically a Api related, but I think definitely informed by it, is in Asian communities, too, like. I was looking at the nuances between different communities, and which communities invite in more mixed heritage, and which ones really separate us more so like in Japanese culture. The term for me is half room.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: I'm half
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: i'm only half of you and i'm only half of that I have this wonderful mentor, Steven Murphy Shigmatsu, who wrote a book called when half as whole.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: And so he talks about. Let's actually counter that argument of halfness, and see how do we be more inclusive to the the whole of a person? And so that's a lot of what I think about when I am doing the work here at Sbcc. Is again not just around racial identity, but
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: even, you know, I think about emoji like. What does it mean to be black.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: right? And what sorts of interests do you have to have? What sort of fashion and clothes are you supposed to wear? What ways Are you supposed to talk and communicate? And you know i'm thinking about how you know Amina, my step, daughter, how she shows up in the space, and what that looks like.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: how some of her multi-racial friends show up or thinking about Zay, my son, when he comes to enter that space, like
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: the all the different ways that we can be who we are, and making sure that our centers express that so that we can invite more students into the fold.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So that's my dissertation, and it's it's definitely a worthwhile conversation, because I know
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Hong Lieu: growing up, that conversation has shifted dramatically in terms of just waiting. You know, just waiting time out and letting the generations play out, because there are just a lot more mixed race folks in the in, especially in California.
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Hong Lieu: You know when I go back to Stv. You know I see it all the time. But but just oh, you know, just just give a time to check out, because when I was a kid it was. There was a very certain, you know, that, like
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Hong Lieu: your parents, would tell you to try to marry a Chinese person, or, you know, stuff like that, like you would have those conversations and things just in life just plays out. Life takes over, and you just you know you love the you know, love marriage or range marriage either way. You, you just love who you get to love, and it it plays stuff out so that conversation has me. It will shift, but it's still not all the way there and then.
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Hong Lieu: And you raising those points in your dissertation, I mean. It's a very worthwhile conversation to have, because I noticed a lot of stuff growing up that I felt was wrong, you know, like it. It. I just didn't speak on it with people older than me. I was it. I was in the kids table, and they were adults speaking on things that just didn't didn't feel right, and then I feel like those conversations
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Hong Lieu: are able to be had more often, but still not often enough.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Yeah.
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Hong Lieu: So Oh, yes, thank you for that.
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Hong Lieu: I will also say that great with the fireflies studio. Guilty film. People always think about Miyazaki, but South Takahata, who directed that also directed, You know, some of the some of the the best films in the studio. Gilby catalog our Takahata film. So we're seeking them out but grave of the fireflies is an all-timer you know like it's it's one of the ones where you never forget where you were when you saw it, and you never forget how how how powerful it was.
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Hong Lieu: and you know it was one of the first one People talk about how to animate. It helps to move you how many films, or should be put on the same level as adult films. It's one of the film, that's all. All cited a lot, and and with good reason it's it's an amazing film. So
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Hong Lieu: thank you for those pigs. Thank you for shouting out Rosanna's dissertation to keel and thank you, Dr. Roxane, for taking the time to be on the show today.
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Hong Lieu: It was an honor to have you.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and if there's anything else for we say goodbye. If you think that you want to plug, shout out any last words. No, I can't think I mean other than for those who haven't been to our centers, and Don't know about them. Please please consider stopping by reaching out. I invite instructors to bring their classes over. Let us know, and we'll set something up for you all to bring students over. I think again one of the key. Things that we can do is support our students and finding resources and accessing their.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: If the if you bring them here, they're more likely to come back on their own. We've we've talked to students who say that, and I think we're a pretty inviting bunch, and our space is very much like come on in, and there's people coming in out the doors. But we had. We talked to a student the other day who said it took her almost 2 months to open the door and come in.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: She came by almost every day, and look, and even to the point of sitting outside.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: and we didn't know. You know this is all there's so many students out there. But she was just checking and wondering, and finally made her way in, and we're so grateful that she did come early on in the semester. We have a an instructor
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: who comes and does office hours in one of our centers, and it's. You know it's a vibrant, loud, energetic place, but we try to make sure that that works for
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: for him, and the reason that he does it is because he says it's going to help all students get in here.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: So if they have to come here for their office hours.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: they're gonna come back for something else. So they're gonna tell somebody else about it. And so, you know, we we invite you. We look for partnerships all the time we want to work together. The Student Equity Plan is focused very, very much this year on our emojis students
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: on increasing black student success. So with that area as well would love to partner with other departments or faculty members to see how we can really bolster black student success in in various different spaces. So just reach out, and i'm a phone caller even better an email away.
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Hong Lieu: And they always got the bomb snacks in there, too, if that if that's a if that's an extent that instant pho packet, and various drinks and snacks for days, if if that's what it takes to get there. That's a part of it, too. So those are noodles.
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Akil Hill: So yes, thank you for being on the show again. Thank you, Aquila. As always.
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Hong Lieu: this was Vaquero Voices. Take care of all.
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Roxane Byrne, PhD: Thank you.